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Is anime an example of capitalism not working? 'Not working' in that the way that increases in sales drives quality down rather than up. The same shit is rehashed and regurgitated over and over, and the idiot-stick of 'fanservice' is used fucking everywhere, as is obvious from the puerile content of half this damn board (Fuck off to /e/ or /h/ with your T&A). Few risks are being taken, and barely anything of note has been produced in the last 10 years - works that are not only entertaining but take time to explore interesting concepts in the way that, say, literature does.

Even TV is better at exploring meaningful concepts than anime, and video games, after a lull, are getting better at it again. Is anime going to be forever fucking stuck at lowest common denominator entertainment?

Am I the only one getting more bored with it every season? Even Garo and Bahamut are mediocre with a bit of perspective.
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>barely anything of note has been produced in the last 10 years

Good joke.
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It's not capitalism because the creators of anime don't try to expand the market.
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>>119073480
There are quite a few impressive shows from the past 10 shows but I agree.

The problem is there aren't enough writers and studios with passion that work in the industry. Most of them just want to get by and sell or are just otaku themselves.
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>>119074639
from the past 10 years*
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You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.
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>>119073480
Is your post an example of the posting quality going down in between seasons?

Yes it is and you are a faggot.
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>>119074351
Capitalism is a process for accumulation of wealth. Market expansion is just one tool to that end.

>>119074639
>The problem is there aren't enough writers and studios with passion that work in the industry.
Not all that surprising given that they're paid and treated so poorly.
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>>119073480
>Is anime an example of capitalism not working?
It's true for all form of art.
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>>119076888
Most other forms of art tend to have a greater number of works that are good/excellent/influential. I don't care if there's shit as long as there's a decent amount of good stuff to counter-balance it.

I'll never understand the kind of junk that wins the Turner prize, but at least there's plenty of artworks about besides modern art
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>>119073480

Thats mainly because the "industrial revolution" hasn't really reached the anime industry(sure you have the digital era but that is still largely unautomated), hence the cost are still really high to be able to meaningfully explore niches, so no sense in taking risks here.

If anything one should try to fund anime one likes via crowdfunding, stuff like 5cm per sec was like usd 200k to make, still the real money in anime is in the merchandise model so no use producing something that will only apeal to a specific niche(which wont pay out dosh like the hardcore otaku who buy 1-2 ep BD for like 200$).

IMO lets just wait for AI to be at a sufficiently high level as to serve as inbetweeners and animators before we can make our own anime with ourselves as directors and idea guys.
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>>119073480
>Is anime an example of capitalism not working?
Our whole society is a good example of it.
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>>119078128
Some elements work. It could be argued that, in some part, pay = equity if people with harder jobs and more responsibility, or who try harder make more money, and that money can be used to invest in themselves and the future of their offspring. The problem is that we're members of a society, not a bunch of individuals, therefore distributed wealth is a better idea than localised wealth.
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>>119077485
No, the 90% rule applies to evrything
It's just that you seem to focus on some certain part of each form for some reason
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>>119078606
>distributed wealth
But that doesn't work, even the classic example where in a class "if you average the grades of everybody and eventually everybody fails the class because why work harder if the result is going to be same anyways" still applies and will always do simply because we're not perfect beings of infinite kindness but human.

And anyways society is just a byproduct of our drive to have more nice things hence we work collaborate with each other to further our (own)goals.
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>>119078694
You're mostly right but don't forget how hard it is to produce anime compared to other forms of entertainment arts.
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>>119078694
Perhaps my real frustration is the realisation that anime will never be able to achieve anything on the scale of Gravity's Rainbow or Southland or The West Wing for example. Not only that but it doesn't even try. It peaked with LoGH and has been sliding downhill ever since. We had Kon and we've still got Yuasa, but I'm not that optimistic.
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>>119077770
>IMO lets just wait for AI to be at a sufficiently high level as to serve as inbetweeners and animators before we can make our own anime with ourselves as directors and idea guys.
Ahahahaha viva la technology, right?
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>>119079006

Well IBM Watson was getting near passing a turing test, so again whats the problem with a computer learning what should be a key frame or what should be an inbetween or what makes a good scene/composition etc and actually doing it? eventually AI will be there.
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>>119078934
Your metaphor is a bit short-sighted, and isn't a good illustration of socialism in practice.

I accept that we're magpies on some level, and like to compete and to have nice things around us. But we don't live in villages any more; we live in communities of tens and hundreds of millions of people. That requires infrastructure, education, emergency and health services, defence etc. I earn a very good wage. I am happy for 40% of my income to be spent on those services because I both need and use them. The advantages of the better social mobility, equity and equality for /everyone/ enabled by the re-distribution of wealth vastly outweigh its disadvantages.

There are always going to be state spongers, but that is not a good enough reason not to do it.
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>>119079225
There are already machines that paint and compose.

http://www.informatik.uni-konstanz.de/en/edavid/paintings/
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>>119078968
Check out Hyouge Mono, friend
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>>119078968
The West Wing is pretty bad. At least mention I, Claudius or The Wire.
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There has always been tension between works the critics like and works the masses like. Always been a tension between artistic vision and works for hire.

I don't agree with any of your contentions on what makes good anime, and while I too perceive a general decline this decade, I think you're completely wrong about which anime exemplify it, - for instance, the sniping at otaku is uncalled for when some of the anime that stand out as highlights recently (Outbreak Company and No Game no Life last and this year, Welcome to the NHK and Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann going back further) pandered to them far more blatantly than forgettable trash tends to.

But some of the most influential anime or that with the best critical acclaim - Miyazaki works and Gundam, for example - were also striking commercial successes. Many fanservice series are themselves niche products, and anime's smaller expected sales figures allows works to focus less on mass appeal.

You don't actually know what you're talking about and just parrot the opinions of ANN reviewers as facts with a side of anticapitalism, right?
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>>119079585
Some aspects of the West Wing haven't aged very well (there's a fair bit of saccharine leftie-ism), but it's still incredibly sharp storytelling that doesn't patronise its audience. I found The Wire to be melodramatic.
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>>119079292
>I am happy for 40% of my income to be spent

While I hardly believe that a person who has a job outside the state or owns a business would say that, my point is that if business are forced to pay that much of their income will just go away and take their money someplace else, kinda like its happening in yurop right now its just impossible to open shop there and not end up bankrupt.

40% is way too much to maintain said infrastructure, most of it probably goes into their pension funds anyways.
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>>119073480
Capitalism does that to all consumer products. How do you think we got McDonalds?
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>>119079782
From my experience opinions like that aren't really rare in countries with high tax rate. Don't get me wrong, people complaining about high taxes are common as well, but so are people who feel that their tax money is, at least mostly, put to good use.
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>>119073480
>Am I the only one getting more bored with it every season?

You're just getting older. It's natural to grow bored with childish things like anime as you age.
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>>119079669
>while I too perceive a general decline this decade, I think you're completely wrong about which anime exemplify it
Ok, give me some examples then.

And smooth your heckles down, the only place I read about anime is here.
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>>119080054
anime shouldn't be childish.
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>>119079669
>No Game No Life
>Highlight

>Welcome to the NHK
>Pandering

>TTGL
>Anything but a love letter to the Super Robot genre

What?
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>>119080123

It's not what's there so much as what's not. There are as many 1999 series being talked about here as 2009 ones, and the 1999 ones seemed to spawn lasting fanbases. (Especially Digimon Adventure, but we've been turned into /∀/ and a lot of people praise Crest of the Stars and threads for Medabots and Monster Rancher along with a few devoted fans aren't unheard of.) Yeah, nostalgiafags skew the numbers, but relatively few things produce that sort of appeal and lasting interest anymore.

>>119080191

>A series about a hikikomori and his otaku neighbor's adventures through Japanese subcultures
>not otaku pandering

>a love letter to the Super Robot genre
>not otaku pandering

Well then what the fuck do you mean by "otaku pandering". Is it just anime you don't like?
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>>119080467
>>A series about a hikikomori and his otaku neighbor's adventures through Japanese subcultures
>>not otaku pandering
What are you on about, anon? A show where hikikomoris are presented as pathetic, fucked-up people and where the only otaku character ends up abandoning his dreams and becoming a farmer - getting married too, as I seem to recall - is otaku pandering how?
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>>119073480
>barely anything of note has been produced in the last 10 years - works that are not only entertaining but take time to explore interesting concepts in the way that, say, literature does.
Watch more good anime.

To be fair, though, it makes sense that literature/Western film produces more quality works than Japanese animation does just because it has a higher output. Even if we take Sturgeon's Law as fact, 10% of a lot of releases is more than 10% of relatively few releases.

Anyway, like other people have said, what you're on about isn't exactly unique to anime.
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Because you are normalfag, now stop watching anime.
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>>119073480
You're just an edgy faggot. In the past ten years there have been plenty of awesome animes, new genres have seen the light of day, and you're here telling us about how our society is decadent just because you don't enjoy anime anymore...
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>>119080677

The whole subject of Welcome to the NHK an exploration of hikikmori and otaku lives and cultures, which themselves are portrayed as fascinating. It also does that in 2006, which while not the first was on the very early edge of the trend of featuring them as characters.

In my view it doesn't come off as judgmental even if Yamazaki suffered and Satou is nuts, because we see so much of their lives and most of it's portrayed as just intriguing, and because a recovering hikikomori who starts out annoyed by Pururin dabbles in otaku culture as a stepping stone back to reality.

If NHK were a critical and popular failure, undoubtedly it would have been condemned as "otaku pandering." Because otaku pandering is a slippery definition that excludes anything that might fit the category if it ends up being actually good so as to further portraying otaku as having shit taste.
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>muh artistis value something something bullshit
>muh mature GOOD anime for mature such as myself
>muh anime is dying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
>BAWWW THEY DON'T PANDER TO MY TASTES WAHHHH ANIME IS SO SHEEEEEEEET
So fucking sick and tired of this, don't like it fee free to fuck off and find better hobby, but noo, we need to make dozens of shitty threads whining like a spoiled child as if the whole universe rotating around you.
Simply, fuck off.
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>>119073480
>Not working' in that the way that increases in sales drives quality down rather than up. The same shit is rehashed and regurgitated over and over,

But that is how capitalism effects every entertainment medium.
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>>119080986
>new genres have seen the light of day
Please expand. And nothing was said about decadence.

>>119080054
>You're just getting older.
You may have a point.
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Never thought it was possible to be this pretentious.
You like, put capitalism, your pretentious nonse in own sentence as if it's supposed to make sense.
Congratulations.
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>>119081458
>You like, put capitalism, your pretentious nonse in own sentence as if it's supposed to make sense.
Is this English?
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>>119081477
No, it's ur mom.
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>>119081477
I enjoyed the unironic usage of 'like'.
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