How do the Nips live so long if so many of them smoke? What is their secret?
I-...er, I suppose that is a legitimate answer.
Because smoking doesn't actually kill you? I mean, sure, you can suffocate if you're caught in a full-flowing smoke cloud in a fire, but smoking tobacco doesn't kill you.
There is some evidence that it makes you more vulnerable to certain respiratory diseases, but that's all. It increases your vulnerability to something that would've killed you on its own if you contracted it.
All this stuff about second-hand and third-hand smoke
That's living in an environment where anybody has smoked before, btwis basically saying "If you rolled this dice representing your life 100 times, 1 time out of 100 you'd die from some vulnerability that smoking increased."
I'm guessing the ones who live long don't smoke.
I'm not sure, but there's a chance you may be under some misconception. I've lived in Japan for a while, and I didn't really think it was that big of a difference in smokers from that of a large American city.
>They're literally making millions, hell billions on sellings cigs alone.
They are not making money off of smoking. They make shekels off of porn, fast food and foreskin based cosmetics.
Smoking doesn't automatically mean lung cancer, it just makes your chances of getting it severely increased due to all the carcinogens.
Well, you shouldn't say Smoking doesn't kill you, because it can.
I'm less against smoking for health reasons than I am because it smells like shit and gives you monster mouth.
>smoking is completely healthy.
Definitely not. It's just not nearly as unhealthy as all the ridiculous statistics the toss around would make you think. Taking good care of yourself otherwise (diet and excersize mostly) can really make up for the damage to your health (respiratory/cardiovascular) from smoking. But you'd still be much healthier if you ate right and stayed active and didn't smoke at all.
>mfw I see the people in this thread saying that smoking doesn't kill people
No, getting hit by the car directly causes those internal injuries, hence getting hit by a
But smoking does not directly cause lung cancer. Certain chemicals excacerbate your vulnerability to the conditions that cause lung cancer. But the vast majority of smokers don't get lung cancer.
>No, getting hit by the car directly causes those internal injuries, hence getting hit by a truck kills you.
Smoking does cause you to age four times as fast though. Smokers are gross.
Gross people are gross.
They drink a lot of tea, just like the Chinese.
Yeah, go see how great he is when he's forty. Smokers age like people in the Middle Ages.
It's not a "causal" relationship where there's a 1:1 link between smoking and getting lung cancer.
It's a probability increase where smokers have a higher chance of getting lung cancer and that this cannot be accounted for by mere random sampling or any other risk factor that has been controlled for.
>How do the Nips live so long if so many of them smoke? What is their secret?
They actually have genuine healthcare.
Also, many of the oldest people they have on the books have actually already died. Some were because records were never updated after WW2, while others were kept alive on paper because the relatives want to spend the pension money.
They have a way healthier diet and hence an incredibly low obesity incidence rate of I think 2-3%. So their incidence rate of diabetes and cardiovascular disease is also lesser, and smoking easily pushes preexisting CVD (from having a terrible diet/being a fatass) into heart attack/stroke territory by narrowing the arteries. If their pipes were already clean as a whistle though then it doesn't affect them as badly. Smoking definitely induces cardiovascular problems on its own, however, since for the nips these usually aren't combined with other pre-existing contributing factors the net result isn't as bad.
Also, all the tea and seaweed they take in contributes a lot of antioxidant (which in a somewhat roundabout way is saying anticancer) benefits that might help explain their lower lung cancer rates.
Lastly smoking usually causes lung cancer to happen decades later, not right away. Same goes for alcohol abuse and liver cancer, which commonly arises out of liver cirrhosis first induced decades ago. Even if you hadn't drunk at all since then, the liver could still become cancerous as it attempts to heal (which takes years), and the lungs are the same way with smoking damage. So maybe 20 years from now suddenly nips will experience a spike in lung cancer.
That has to do way more with their cultural approach/attitudes toward dentistry than their diet. In the US many kids/teens who will clearly have fucked up teeth will get braces or some corrective procedures done, in Japan basically no.
I think the teeth part has other causes.
>Lack of proper hygiene
I have heard some guys go up to a month without brushing their god damn teeth.
>Society thinks it's cute to have crooked teeth.
You know the moe fangs in anime? that's it ugly crooked teeth.
Yes some even try to take care and still end up with shitty teeth.
>actually being addicted to smoking
>not just smoking socially when drunk
If you're doing that, you're already addicted.
Smoking is objectively horrible, and if there were no drugs in there, there's no way you'd do it*.
Nicotine is a drug with no effect but withdrawal symptoms. This is why there's no word for "having smoked a lot of cigarettes" like there is for "having smoked a lot of weed" or "having drunk a lot".
* inb4 "yes I would": so why aren't you smoking rollups with bits of lettuce and stuff in when you're sober?
Diet is what determines how well your jaw line develops. If somebody eats any significant amount of highly domesticated produce, then they are either overweight from all the extra food they need to eat to get full nutrition, or they are nutrient deficient and will have growth problems.
Smoking is unhealthy, but eating a teaspoon of salt after each cig negates completely the negative effects while keeping all the beneficial ones, as a plus, you also get a nice amount of electrolytes.
>smoking is so deadly that a diet rich in antioxidants is enough to counter it
Yes. Same goes for a tumbler of Scotch or anything else that's traditionally cool or sophisticated.
Those things became cool because cool people did them, not because they make you cool.
>Nicotine is a drug with no effect but withdrawal symptoms.
The first time I inhaled a drag from a cigarette it fucked me up. You quickly build a tolerance to the point where you no longer notice it but nicotine definitely has stimulating effects.
Why the fuck everyone thinks that "He smokes so he's an asshole ? Seriously, what the fuck ? I don't even smoke but I know a lot of people who do and are cool as fuck. Don't judge people just because of a fucking stick that smokes
It's shame that something so unhealthy also looks so cool.
Because they smell like shit. I reserve my right to judge people who stand outside making the air stink and who dispose of their butts by trowing them on the ground like savages.
I bet you didn't know that even after 60+ years of research, there's no proven physical mechanism by which smoking causes lung cancer or any other disease. The entire link is based on corrupt statistics
Exactly because it's bad for you.
It's rebellious, so having a rebel character smoke just shows how they don't give a fuck about what you or anyone else thinks. That's the case in fiction, but in real life, it's just annoying.
Lots and lots of reasons
1. Calorie restriction. It's been shown you have a 400% reduction in heart disease if your GRANDFATHER was on a calorie reduced diet. This is thanks to genetic switching.
2. Diet. The Japanese diet is very high in fats, and very low in processed sugars. It's considered unmanly to even like sweets and it's considered piggish for girls to eat them. It's true they're popular but if you saw the serving sizes compared to the American ones you'd be shocked. Some people point out they have a diet with high rice, and that's true, but rice is not at all bad for you compared to simple carbs. Brown rice is obviously better though.
3. Location. The air quality is extremely improved compared to a continent.
4. Exercise. Everyone in Japan walks, and they walk constantly. They walk every day to and from school or work. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
5. Genetics. They're small people. Small people tend to live longer just because of a more stable cardiovascular system.
So if you add up all these cardiovascular advantages, a portion of their population killing themselves through smoking isn't enough to keep them from having a longer expectancy than everyone else. Smoking still kills Japanese people though so don't think it doesn't. They just have so many other advantages to make up for it.
Maybe because of of the people who do it, or the way they usually seem relaxed when they're up to it.
Smoking is literally the best thing that has ever happened in the history of the universe. Not only did smoking invent happiness, but it also is the reason why kittens are cute, beds are soft, and why houses keep you safe from rain and giraffe rape. Every cigarette you smoke makes you stronger and your dick bigger. Hitler was a non-smoker and look at how that turned out, he was only able to kill about ten thousand Jews. His non-smoking made him weak and foolish. The guy who invented shoes learned how to make them from a cigarette. Every time you do something cool it's because someone in the world just smoked a cigarette. Simo Hayha killed 700 Russians with seven cigarettes tied together with scotch tape, historians claim it was an SKS but that is incorrect. He also survived an anti-tank round to the face because the cigarette he was smoking deflected it. Fist of the North Star was created when the writer saw the artist smoking a cigarette and said "Hey, awesome cigarette. That gives me an idea, let's invent Fist of the North Star." Demonbane was originally intended to be a cigarette but the author felt there would be no sense of suspense so he downgraded it to a significantly weaker omnipotent god-machine. Cigarretes are made of air, water, bread and joy all put together. The reason we go to heaven when we die is because it is a cigarette. Studies conducted by people better than you prove that there is a direct correlation between not smoking and being a gay nigger. Don't be a gay nigger, smoke. Smoke everything.
Girls smoking is one of the most disgusting fucking things ever
Smoking looks cool, because we've been grown up to think that those rough, stoic, rebel badasses(like Clint eastwood, Jotaro etc.) are fucking cool since they don't give a fuck about anything, including their health
While in reality, 99.99% of smokers are probably struggling with their addiction or doing it to "fit in"
>the people who do it
The people who're shown to do it, I should say.
The breathing involved is also pleasant, I feel. Sometimes I breathe in and pretend to exhale smoke when I've got a toothpick or something in my mouth.
Have you ever been around smokers in real life?
The vast, vast majority are disgusting and jittery.
There's nothing cool about smelling bad and looking disgusting because you're addicted to some expensive little stick you're psychologically forced to stand outside in the cold to light on fire.
Shamefur disprays bring an early death.
It's the same way people were convinced that egg consumption raises cholesterol or coffee gives you colon cancer, even though they don't.
I don't even smoke. I'm just convinced I'm looking at the biggest medical scandal in human history.
Most smokers I know have been family members. Yes, pretty annoying. However, the smoker I know best did house myself, my mother, and brother for several years, and generally showed us all the kindness he could, although I was constantly irritated by the smoke in the house. It was a small nightmare thinking about and trying to avoid the risks involved in that, but I still appreciate what he did for us. But that's an anecdote.
I never watched him smoke for any length of time, and actually left the room or held my breath when he did, so I'm sure it's the media I consume that makes it attractive somehow.
Actually several smokers I know were able to quit using e-cigs. One of them in fact is my grandmother who smoked for over 40 years, she tried pretty much everything else like the patches and pills and such, but the electronic cigarettes were the only thing that actually stuck. Not to mention they are 100% harmless and odorless, it's only natural to dislike smoke but anyone who complains about vapor is an honest to goodness fucking faggot who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Smoking is a relatively new trend in that country. You don't see the effects for many, many years.
That said, fuck all of you, and me, for replying to such an off topic thread.
Literally the only purpose in alcohol is to poison yourself and clean. The only reason you can use it to clean is because it's a poison that kills bacteria. I guess some people do need to get drunk regularly to dull their memories of poor life decisions or to "make themselves more outgoing" by dulling their ability to notice themselves being fucking retarded.
It is something to do if you are bored out of your mind, it makes nostalgic anime more nostaglic, food tastes better when drunk, you can feel warmer in the winter, and it helps you sleep.
So what do you smoke guys?
I smoke American Spirit Black.
Please don't even start with this shit /a/
I'm sick of your bullshit.
>he doesn't smoke
I smoke like a pack a week because i'm a hikki neet and it relaxes me, I also feel cool while doing it. i'm sorry if that makes you upset, but there are much worse things to get angry about others doing
That's because you aren't smoking right now. You can fix that by smoking.
no fucking thanks.
>muh non-lethal cigarettes
I don't smoke because it kills tastebuds and I care too much about the taste of food.
Also fuck everyone who smokes cheap cigs, I like the smell of cigs but the cheap stuff just smells like processed ash.
Nobody really knows. If it were just their longer life experience being discussed here, we could assume that their diet and national health care offsets the higher rate of lung cancer. The problem is that not only do the have a higher life experience than any other country, but they also have lower rates of people getting lung cancer. It's not a good answer, but it's either genetics or environment that preventing lung cancer from occurring. Unfortunately, Japan is so xenophobic that there's not enough non-asians living there to do study based on statistics, or maybe there is, but hasn't been done yet. I don't know.
"Smoking" is actually pretty old there.
>mfw I actually did that
God it's so embarrassing to think about
Do those come with the fedora or do I have to purchase it separately?
Here's the thing: people live just fine with those lungs for many, many decades. They don't just keel over because the lungs turn black unless they're forced to undergo incredible respiratory stress, like inordinate exertion or being infected by any number of diseases which are not caused by smoking.
According to the people pushing to ban e-cigs, that "vapor" contains harmful carcinogenic chemical byproducts, used to bind the flavor of nicotine to the liquid flavor capsules used in the e-cigs. It's also alleged that using e-cigs while driving is as distracting as using cellphones, and that making e-cigs carry any flavoring whatsoever is marketing them to children and thus getting them hooked on smoking.
That sounds like the most idiotic, poorly thought out bullshit they possibly could have come up with. Is their basis for whining about harmless vapor so weak that they have to drag driving and children into it?
a large amount of health problems from cigarettes comes from lead and pollonium radiation, and they are already used to radiation. Probably the same reason some Chinese can consume waste-quality food.
My grandparents did smoke heavily for quite a few decades up until their deaths at around 75. When my grandmother got sick it was unfortunately her past smoking that prevented her from making a recovery. My grandpa did develop lung cancer and looked incredibly frail by the time he died. But yes people with healthy bodies and good genes can live for quite a while when smoking heavily. Unfortunately it usually isn't a pretty site near the end.
>Smoking don't cause lung cancer
Yes, actualy smoking causes every cancer possible. Smoking meka your cells multiply faster but becouse of this they "skip" some phases, more specifically the "verifing" phases, making the odds of creating sick cells higher than persons that don't smoke in any part of the body, so in the end, if you smoke, you may never have a lung cancer but contract pancreatic cancer as a side effect of quick cell replication. You also rise the chances of tumors and your breath gonna stink like shit and your teeth gonna rot
Smoking can increass the odds drasticaly but it don't mean you gonna have cancer, you can be a lucky one and live 100 years smoking, but I don't quite think this is the rule. Due my shitty luck, I prefer not to incress the odds against me
I started smoking just because I wanted to learn how to do this. I thought it would impress people but nobody gives a shit.
>applying real life shit to 2D activities
Obviously 3D smoking is gross, but anime girls smoking are the best.
It only relaxes you because it already fucked with your anxiety where you need one to calm down if you haven't had one in a while and makes you get more annoyed at little shit when you haven't had one.
I can't live the lie anymore. My brothers have lied to your kind for too long. Smoking is what keeps our scales from falling off, which is what makes us immortal
They are coming for me now. You know what to do.
Read up a little bit on the physical and psychoactive effects of nicotine before you spout your disinfo. People are able to not be addicted to nicotine and still feel the effects of it.
Never understood the "relaxing" part of smoking. It just gives me an awful headrush, smells/tastes like shit and costs a lot.
I feel you'd just be better off just popping benzos occasionally when you're feeling stressed.
Holy shit the delusion is unreal. If you want to indulge in your shitty hobby that's perfectly fine but are people actually trying to argue smoking is "cool" and doesn't make you cancer incarnate?
Does nicotine have the additional side effect of inducing retardation?
I only smoke when on the job so as to not offend the superiors and important clients who offer us such things.
Cigarettes are tolerable as it is more of the moment kind of thing where you excuse yourself and go to the corner and smoke your head off. Wait till you guys try shisha, literally spending the entire evening next to a water pipe just so you can sign a good deal.
Society has changed a lot since the 1950s. While the concept that smoking is something cool was correct back then, it's done a complete 180 and now it's considered something that only trailer trash and losers do, and the health scares that stem from anti-smoking propaganda are over-exaggerated. In the end, both extremes are retarded. Smoking is smoking, but now a large amount of people think that catching a whiff on the street is a one way ticket to fucking cancer. It's absolutely ridiculous.
>Nicotine is a drug with no effect but withdrawal symptoms.
its a nicotinic ACh receptor agonist. you have obviously never had nicotine, because yes, it does give you a buzz. Also I get very claimy and anxious.
Your wi-fi router is slowly inducing various cancers in you yet you believe it's perfectly harmless. Some time ago people believed that tobacco, uranium and asbestos were harmless. Today people believe that "e-cigarettes", artificial edulcorants and all our wi-fi/wimax/3-4-5G bullshit are harmless. To each era its sanitary scandals.
If you get a cancer, it won't be induced by second hand smoke, that's for sure. It'll be all the diesel smoke you breathed in if you live in a big city, or all the diet soda you swallow believing it's healthy. It may also be titanium dioxide if you get a little too much (if there is some in your toothpaste, plus your medication, and sweets).
Or simply overall shitty diet.
Of course smoking is harmful, but holy shit, people's obsession with it as if it was the biggest health threat humanity could face is hilarious. I laugh when people living in big cities get mad at smokers for being unhealthy, because there's so many things in their environment that are killing them faster and "better" than second hand smoke, the irony is delicious.
My aunt's going to be dead at age 52 in a month thanks to her smoking habits.
Seriously. She was just given two weeks to live yesterday.
The last time I saw her, a few months ago, her lungs were in such bad condition that she couldn't walk fifteen feet unassisted without oxygen.
Oh good one of those diet soda people.
I don't drink diet soda but I have a masters in biology. Your body processes artificial sweeteners as fibers. Tiny...fibers. They are not cancer causing or anything-else-causing. You're not dying from diet soda.
It's the same effect that happens when you point an alcoholic to the nearest AA meeting, tell a heroin addict to head into rehab, remind /jp/ of the parents that they're leeching off of, or inform a fat acceptance person that both their shitty health and their unfavorable social condition are the result of choices that they make several times per day.
People hate being told that the things that they like hurt both themselves and the people around them. Sometimes, even overwhelming evidence against their stance being thrown right in their face isn't enough to make them budge.
great now I have to leave the thread
/pol/ please I know you guys are shit at statistics but things not being 1:1 doesnt mean only random sampling accounts for this. I dont give a fuck if you like cigs but dont talk bullshit.
>unruly an sloppy drunk
>blonde dyed hair
Why does the Japanese government want to force 3DPD sluts on otaku? They're obviously not as desperate to marry or procreate as they believe so why have an anime that depicts an attractive but undesirable in many other aspects girl as marriage material?
My grandpa and my great-grandmother both died around the age of 60 from cancer and neither smoked or drank for that matter. Both times transitioned into lymph nodes and it was painfully quick. I honestly don't even care about lung cancer because my chances of a worse kind will get me first.
That's 2 out of 12 grandparents and great grandparents. Why give yourself one more possible cause of an early death?
Death from lung disease isn't necessarily a painfully quick thing where they'll drug you up so much that you can't even feel it anymore as soon as it hits.
It's been a long, long time since she's been able to walk more than short distances, and as I stated in my post there, she's not even able to do that much right now. In her own words from a few years back, my aunt's lungs look like a meteorite. Obviously, just living is uncomfortable when you're like that.
Depends on the fish. Shitty river fish isn't as good as pork or beef, sure, but anything made from salmon is god tier.
if i recall correctly, that number is skewed because they kept some old people on govt data that they thought were alive at 145 or something years oldm because no one told anyone about their deaths so people could collect neetbux for the old ppl.
Secondhand smoke scares are not completely unjustified, and that type of fear hasn't been a prominent issue since like 2008. One extreme is far less retarded than the other; one side causes the propagation of self-destructive and disgusting habits, and the other side causes the avoidance of people with such habits. I can't of any negative side effects of being afraid of secondhand smoke.
I am a Slav and Slavs smoke like crazy.
Even with literally half the population smoking in my country the average life span is 73 years.
People here on average smoke like 1 pack a day.
People also drink a lot.
I think it comes with people coming to terms with the fact that life is shit.
Smoking kills, but what are you living for anyways?