>>118636227 Honestly, an Archer boss rush would be better than all this convoluted plot. Put Archer in a tower where he has to defeat a servant on each floor with limited support from a master of his choice, Would make for good watching.
>>118637672 Rin is basically the deuteragonist of F/SN in general, and especially with UBW, she has enough screentime that it's easy to call her the protagonist or the main character. Doubly so in the anime where the story isn't near as connected to Shirou's first person narration and Rin gets her own exclusive scenes.
>>118636227 I know its suppose to follow the UBW route but knowing who archer is this almost reveal every other scene is starting to irk me. I think theres only a few moments in the vn where they actually openly talk about it. Better be a good payoff in the anime.
>>118636227 Fascinating, because they're making it about the characters, but also missed opportunity. Kind of feel like they could have done several key Saber scenes with the Rin scenes (Sakura mostly is relevant later in the series so it makes sense most of her scenes came early).
I like that the show is taking a lot of time with Rin and Shirou's relationship. There's that is getting more time to explore, like their complicated family dynamics. They both experienced trauma when they were young, but they are both dedicated to overcoming it different ways. The full 2 course order is allowing more character moments.
The pacing isn't perfect (Mushishi has been nearly perfect in pacing this year) but I like the return of slower anime.
Does anyone else feel like the music has been COMPLETELY underwhelming? Even the original DEEN anime had good music even if it was lacking in almost everything else. Fate/Zero had Kajiura making sure your ears knew when shit was going down. In UBW 2014 there is literally no climatic music setting the mood, ever, for anything. Even if what's happening on-screen is exciting, I don't feel like the music is telling me I should be excited.
I was really looking forward to UBW, but it's been a bit of a disappointment so far.
What exactly this show did wrong? Look like there is lots of negative reactions. Still not watched, i think the fate franchise was milked too much. I can't bring myself to watch the episodes cause i'm basically tired of this.
>>118642176 I completely disagree. The soundtrack has been great. I've been more tuned into the music than most anime because it's ridiculously thematic.
Seriously there's like a theme for everything. Like this episode alone even had a minor motif developed that showed whenever Shirou's numbness was brought up. The music completely rewards you for listening, unlike a lot of anime scores which usually could be replaced with countless other pieces of library music.
>>118643233 When you ask people what your opinion of something is, chances are you're going to get more negative responses than positive. I mean how many people are just gonna pop in and say "I like it". The people who have problems are gonna be the ones who'll talk.
A lot of people obviously like it, otherwise we wouldn't have so many threads.
>>118643269 >if you want /a/'s actual reaction There is no /a/ reaction because /a/ isn't a hivemind. Of course the reactions will be different in a TM threads since they are there to attract fanboys, you guys should get your head out of your ass and accept other people have different opinions
But who cares about the opinion of the non-core demographic? I don't like WWII movies and will not give a proper analysis on WWII movies, so I cannot truly judge WWII movies on their quality. Asking a fan of WWII movies would receive more substantial input because they understand what they would be reviewing.
>>118643396 >But who cares about the opinion of the non-core demographic? >I don't like WWII movies and will not give a proper analysis on WWII movies, so I cannot truly judge WWII movies on their quality. That's fucking retarded. An anime/movie is a standalone product, it should be judged as such
>>118641041 >The pacing isn't perfect (Mushishi has been nearly perfect in pacing this year) but I like the return of slower anime. It's dumb to compare the pacing of an anime with one that is episodic.
>>118643515 >and this anime was not, it was an adaptation of a second route of a VN Are you fucking stupid? Of course this is supposed to be a standalone product, do you see a disclaimer going "Attention, you have to read the VN before watching this"? Or something?
>>118643621 >>118643619 They released the first route for free because it's a good commercial move, not because you are supposed to read it to understand the anime
Seriously if you think UBW is circlejerk only that's pretty pathetic, it's an anime airing in Japan it should be judged as such
And even then, as someone who actually did read the game, it's not like Fate bring so much that it would change the perception of the anime? What you seem to think is that only people who are super fanboy of the franchise should be allowed to judge the anime which is pretty silly
>>118643619 That still doesn't mean that they should do nothing to appeal to secondaries, though. They should know that it's likely that a large part of their audience will have never read the VN and if they want to keep these people around, they should try a bit harder to explain shit for these people
>>118643714 >Seriously if you think UBW is circlejerk only that's pretty pathetic
It's a smart marketing move because the type-moon fanbase in japan is both unfathomably rich and fervently insane. Remember the Kara no Kyoukai BD set that cost as much as a computer?
>What you seem to think is that only people who are super fanboy of the franchise should be allowed to judge the anime which is pretty silly
It's more like the anime was made for said super-fanboys, and other people are not intended viewers but merely bonuses to ufotable. They have their established core viewers and they're doing their best to pander to them and them alone. Everyone else is gravy.
>>118643714 The entire UBW route operates on the assumption that you read Fate and are aware of the events that happened within it. The anime is so faithful to this that it doesn't bother explaining shit like Shirou's projection abilities or the fact that he has an invincible recovery mcguffin planted within him or the fact that Saber is R63 King Arthur
What an interesting response. ufotable put their money in the guaranteed rewards pocket instead of shooting the moon. Is it really that complex? Secondaries are a gamble and they didn't opt to take it.
>>118643800 >Shirou's projection abilities or the fact that he has an invincible recovery mcguffin planted within him or the fact that Saber is R63 King Arthur Except the complains in this thread and in general have nothing to do with these so your point isn't really valid.
>>118636227 I am really happy with this adaptation of UBW. Finally, the Berserker s animation was convaincing and damn, I like how they don't rush things to focus on the differents caracters. I just regret that Berserker does not yell like he did in the VN but so far, the job is perfectly done.
>>118643981 The problem is that it's written like an average action harem anime, in term of pure length it's at like episode 14 or so so far but it feels like nothing has happened. There is a lot they could have done if Ufotable wasn't busy sucking Nasu's cock, other povs for example to actually develop the rest of the characters
>>118643981 The pacing is bad in the individual episodes. It's fine between episodes, and I say this as a primary. When you're watching an episode a week, it seems a bit schizophrenic when you have an episode of nothing but low key character building, and then the next episode is literally entirely fight scene. It's only when you watch the episodes all together that it fits.
>>118644114 Well that comes down to opinion, really. I mean they've built up Shirou, his relationship with Rin, his issues with Archer, already dealt with a servant with Rider, and are well on their way through the Caster part of the story. They've also started to build up to Gilgamesh.
I think a lot of people forget that most of the first cour of Zero was build up too.
>>118644082 Hilariously, we actually do have a Servant dead first cour in UBW, even if they made zero effort in establishing anything about Rider.
>>118644114 You're not paying any attention to the interactions between Archer, Rin and Shirou if it seems like nothing's happening in terms of characterization. The narrative so far has been mostly gathering information and I'll grant that's not terribly exciting, but it's something. It'll pick up next episode.
>>118636227 Plenty of boring parts scattered around and Rider dies without even getting to say her name. As good as an adaption this is, for people who don't know the VN it's pretty meh. I would have preferred a writing overhaul to be more like a battle royal like Zero
>>118644195 I didn't compare it to Zero, it had pretty terrible pacing too.
>>118644202 I'm not saying nothing has happened, just that in the span the anime aired so far it's definitely not enough, not even close. There is just a lot of meandering, I don't mind seeing a slower story but the characterization isn't even present, only "developing" Shirou, Rin and a bit of Archer isn't enough for like 14 episodes
He's a transdimensional janitor (Who does it for free, mind you) that ends up in some random universe and starts picking on a guy who kind of looked liked he used to; for no other reason than being mad about the choices he made in life.
Seriously, Archer's character in UBW boils down to him throwing a tantrum.
I like Bazett and Avenger, they are my favorite Master/Servant team, nonetheless the story of FSN takes a cool concept and makes it all about a fag nobody cares about.
People aren't watching this shit because of Shirou. They are watching it because the theme of Heroic Spirits beating the shit of each others in modern time attracts them.
That's why they give Shirou the boot and milk the concept in other works. Fate/Zero is one of the best use. If you reduce FSN to the same page-count FZ had, it did a better job fleshing out the characters and making the story more cohesive and engaging. We didn't need 20 minutes of fucking teddy bear shopping.
>>118644439 >self angst You do truly realize that at this point people aren't even arguing around here: they just repeat those words that hold no meaning like they are a funny meme that was born before they were around, repeating it out of context. If you truly do believe that Shirou has "harem protag angst struggles" you can either review the way you just approach any medium and story, not only talking about FSN, and try to see the error of your ways, because no amount of arguments can convince someone that doesn't know the meaning of the words he's using. And, just to correct you >That's why the other fate works correct the mistake FSN committed Urobuchi loves FSN, he just wanted to write a different kind of story instead of recycling the same ideas over and over again.
The majority of Japan that isn't giving a fuck about UBW as it did to FZ? The fact that later Fate works erase Shirou (even removing him from Archer and making Archer the No Name Hero, so he won't be 'stained' 100% by Shirou) to focus on what matters: the bait-plot of the Servants battle.
>>118643981 >It isn't action all the time There's nothing inherently wrong with this but Ufotable can't into the internal narration that many of these scenes are built around and the adaptation suffers for it
>so the pacing is bad A consistent issue throughout F/SN. Heaven's Feel gets shit on the most for it but it's a problem in all three routes (though arguably the least so in UBW). The complaints will go away when serious events start happening regularly in the second cour.
>>118644611 >Really who gives a fuck about Shirou? Shirou is the protagonist and the entirety of the story is about him. The anime has no deceived you either, since the beginning it has always centered around him. Seems like we are working with a case of you wanting the anime to go into a different direction, the one you liked being the only one that would make the story "good". I am not telling you that you have to like it, just that your argument is nothing bigger than "I don't like it, because of that it's bad", which is not really convincing.
why does this exist i don't even know go read the vn it's adapted like absolute garbage dogshit wich once again after KnK proves that ufotable don't understand what they're doing in the slightest changing too much, opening plot holes, ruining the characters uggh absolutely disgusting
>>118644659 >He likes the concept. Go and read the interviews and his opinions about the story. There's nothing that implies a "Oh, the concept is great but the execution is so shit, I'm so better than this and I will do it". >FSN is wasted potential of a great premise wasted on Shirou's boring superhero problem. Again, define boring. What makes it boring? Shirou is greatly characterized and the nature of ideals and what humans desire for themselves is also a great focus. What is happiness, what causes unhappiness and how free we are to reach that are all themes deeply expanded upon through the entirety of the novel. The execution is not the best, but just summing all of it into "m-muh boring problems" is an insult.
You don't get it. It doesn't matter if his identity is Shirou, in the game, he's removed aesthetically of the ginger because Nasu always shows him brown-skinned silver haired mercenary Kiritsugu style.
He doesn't know him like an awkward ginger manlet who attracts women via high jump.
Shirou is inconsistent as shit in the original VN, because he was supposedly empty as Kotomine but he enjoyed sex and other things. His entire characterization is tack on drama which keeps contradicting itself.
If he was truly like Kotomine, he wouldn't have felt shit when he had sex.
Who gives a fuck about aesthetics? He is still giving spiels about being an ally of justice, he is still being a sword, and he even gets to achieve his ultimate dream in his Extra CCC end which was a perfect conclusion to the story of "Fate/" just like Nasu said it was intended to be.
Fate/ is only just now going to move on from Shirou with the advent of Grand Order.
>>118644781 Different anon here, and while I don't think Shirou is a boring character, I think he is a boring person because he rarely has a strong emotional reaction to anything, and when he does it's serviceably dramatic but nothing so entertaining that I wouldn't wish for someone with more over the top passion or enthusiasm to fill the role.
>>118644760 You don't. You wanted cool fights and explosions. We got some really cool scenes in UBW too, but seems like you prefer a different approach to storytelling and the focus on a single character isn't your cup of tea. We could argue though that most of the focus in Zero itself was on Kiritsugu and Kotomine, with other characters being complementary to that topic.
>>118644751 >Kicking ass >Fails to use Unlimited Blade Works >Distracts Angelica so Kuro can hit her with a sneak attack >Charges at Julian, get slashed open by Wormsalot He's been in the story for three chapters and is already a top jobber
>>118644710 >Saber, Sakura, Archer, Kotomine, Ilya, and even fucking Shinji didn't receive development Saber as a character in FSN is pretty fucking weird, it feels like the less importance she has in a route the more personality she has. In Fate which is her route, her development felt jarring as fuck
Sakura is just a glorified damsel in distress, there is a lot they could have done with her, too bad
Archer is one of the most disappointing part of FSN, the concept is really cool but since barely anything is known about his own train of through since no pov change you just have him throwing a tantrum in UBW, again the concept is cool but the execution is lacking
Kotomine only become a character in HF and the few scenes he has are cool but he doesn't develop in any ways
And Ilya is a random character who randomly act like a psycho because why the fuck not or hide vital informations even when she is supposed to be an ally but who care since she is so cute
Kotomine feels pleasure from eating mapo tofu too. You don't understand their hollow nature if you think they lack enjoyable activities. Their hollowness comes from a lack of fulfillment even from the things they do fundamentally derive positive sensations from.
>>118644849 >is entire characterization is tack on drama which keeps contradicting itself. Shirou is not empty as Kotomine, at all. Even the HF fight directly denies this and you just selectively remember. They are similar in the fact that they both fought all their lives to achieve a single, specific thing and because of that they only know to live according to that. About Shirou being inconsistent: that's the entire point, people misunderstand themselves because they lie to to themselves, or miss the real reason underneath their problems. Why shirou is fighting is the most discussed thing in the novel. It's not like he can't feel joy: he decided he isn't allowed to that. And even that is only a thin layer of the much more complicated ideal problem.
>>118644897 >Being unable to have fun and living only to see others happy It's true that this was really badly portrayed in the narration. Shirou acts like a 10 years old getting his first erection most of the time during the slice of life in FSN, at times it feels like he could just jump on a heroine and rape her if he didn't control himself.
Doesn't really fit what Nasu was going for with him
>>118644965 >Rin Know what she's doing >Shinji He's being covered >Kuzuki, Caster In the middle of their arc right now >Kirei His ultimately goal is the finale of the route >Ilya Been covered and will likely be completely dealt with near the start of the second cour
>>118644986 >It's true that this was really badly portrayed in the narration. It's stated very, very clearly twice so far. Once with Mitsuzuri at school and again with Rin on the porch. In the second, he explains himself.
It's not badly portrayed, you just can't pay attention.
>>118645062 Since this is an adaptation and these scenes are not anime original, then it still holds true. That scene on the porch leads to the date, it's because Rin worries for Shirou who's only happiness is seeing other people happy and helping them. Fun is living for yourself, getting "selfish enjoyment" and so on, so that's what she's trying to evoke.
>>118645023 UBW does the most justice to servants out of all the routes. How many fucking servants die off screen in Fate? I think at least three. And I like Heaven's Feel, but the servants get screwed.
>>118645162 >And Caster is killed about as quickly as she shows up, for what it's worth. She dared look and ask her King to look at her. Foolish mongrels should lay on the ground as they deserve. Someone please post Kouzuki's shoulders of steel and the giant sword from the movie.
>>118644986 >at times it feels like he could just jump on a heroine and rape her if he didn't control himself. Keep in mind you're seeing things through the eyes of a teenager going through puberty, surrounded by hot anime chicks. And it's an eroge. Also, humans are allowed to have complex emotions. Shirou is broken and strives to make other people happy, but that doesn't mean he's going to stop enjoying food or seeing boobies. Unless you're complaining that the characters aren't stereotypes and don't survive on tropes, you should probably stop posting.
>In UBW Rin says she never did things that weren't fun for her and lived a great life >In HF, Rin bitched to her sister who was raped and tortured for 11 years and is currently insane due to the Grail Stress and being possessed by Angra Manyu how difficult and terrible her life was.
>>118645208 >Also, humans are allowed to have complex emotions. Remember that the average anime viewer prefers the worst kind of narration, when characters have two dimensions to themselves when you are lucky and all the character development is done in unending, unrealistic dialogues where you are basically told everything you need about them. SAO, anyone?
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