PSYCHO PASS MOVIE IS GOING TO BE ADVANCED SCREENED ON THE 19TH OF DECEMBER AKA IN TWO DAYS AKA TOMORROW HOLY FUCKING SHIT
IT'S RATED R-15 WHICH MEANS THERE CAN BE RAPE BLOOD AND GORE BUT NOT TOO MUCH RAPE BLOOD AND GORE IT CAN'T BE MARDORK SCRAMBLE LEVELS OF EDGY BUT IT CAN BE BERSERK LEVELS OF EDGY
ARE YOU READY FOR PSYCHO PASS THE MOVIE? ARE YOU READY FOR PSYCHO PASS THE LUNCHBOX? ARE YOU READY FOR PSYCHO PASS THE FLAMETHROWER(THE KIDS REALLY LOVE THE LAST ONE)
I want my depraved Kogami/Akane vanilla for the BD release. Berserk was rated R-15 for films because they took out the scene where Guts went down on Casca, but the pure and dignified rape was left intact. Bet that's why it flopped the hardest out of the three films.
I bet the discussion went like this
Censors: Yo so you can't have two sex scenes, you need to cut one of them. Either Griffith raping Casca or Guts having sex with Casca needs to go
Miura: Leave the rape, it's more important
Fucking moot, making me look like an idiot
Don't know why I haven't left shithole yet
Oh, we got both, just no Guts going down on Casca. The rape was more important due to it driving her bonkers and the omission of demon babby, but I don't think it was lewd enough for the audiences. No tit-sucking, no clit-licking, no hand-holding, no wonder they're not continuing to adapt the films. The nips are an intolerably lewd society.
Deep dish or garlic cheese stuffed crust?
The lack of doujins is upsetting.
Humans make actually want Sibyl System all the time.
These with particularly rotten minds would be isolated. Nothing bad about it, truth be told.
Better than people this pathetic just going around, being assholes.
> gay dolphin
> hellraiser loli getting beheaded
> tits fatso
> child prostitute MC
> fingers muncher
> CASINO SCENE
pretty sure there was more, it was otherwise too forgettable to remember
I don't think anyone born outside of China or North Korea would be happy under Sibyl.
Anyone born in a place where most information is free and accessible would probably feel pretty stifled by Sibyl's restraints.
Casino part is God tier, alright.
Information is controlled even now, you just don't notice, kind of like how you wouldn't notice Sibyl.
Sibyl's pretty fucking comfy as long as you don't have subversive tendencies.
It could be better tho, once they go pblic with the brains thing and fix their shitty coma drugs and start actually trying to get 100+ to go <100 it'd become a pretty good society.
Of course they'd also have to fix whatever bullshit makes people go over300 for stubbing their little toe, nd maybe put less "KILL EVERYTHING" cops in charge.
I think Sybil would be much better if it just only had stun and destroy mode for machines. There doesn't seem to be any situation where stunning wouldn't work but blowing them up would and after that if Sybil judges them guilty, they can pizza them in a contained room which can be showered down.
So, what do you think will happen when frankenstein points a (somehow not disabled) dominator at Sibyl?
100+? 300+? 0? NA? Multiple readings? Left ambiguous?
Because this is pretty much the only thing left that could make this season of hell worthwhile.
Perhaps a latent criminal reading, which leads Sibyl to wonder what is the reason for that and the system comes to conclusion that Misako is responsible for this, thus punishing her?
> when in doubt, blame the evil scientist bitch
I'm ok with this.
>calls psycho pass mediocre
>literally posts K-On rehash and is excited for it
I seriously hope you aren't the same guy and if you are I seriously hope you were just joking
>such shows are only made because K-On hit it big
Not true, but okay.
I'm sure it'll be a fantastic addition. Psycho-Pass is not anything but a mediocre addition to the sci-fi genre.
I don't even consider this a true followup, butcher didn't even work on it . I went into this season with low expectations because I knew ubutaka and kumagai would fuck it up. Shiotani did a good job in S1 but he's not talented enough to carry the show with a shitty script.
brains should be objective, so they should judge what they do as a third party
but then again since they're objective it means that whatever they do they do to fullfill their job the best way possible
Togane mommy's probably going to get pizzad tho
How many animes using cyberpunk setting deconstruct the concept of an utopia, introducing numerous concepts of perfect order, justice, free will and happiness in such society, including unavoidable flaws or sacrifices to maintain such a peaceful world?
Well, if he doesn't have an answer than means that he has no choice but to accept that PP introduced something new to the genre.
But yeah, following through with it too much won't be necessary.
from left to right: exiled, ball, dead
Akane cared about her.
It's funny how people condemn Sibyl, but killing innocents is suddenly "nothing wrong".
Kamui is even bigger monster. Why do people even feel bad for these monsters and defend them?
Things are released on BDs rather fast and Elevens don't care about gaijin, so they have no reason to do them given that if anybody wants to watch a film they just go the the cinema.
- Will this Urobutcher movie somehow surpass Madoka Rebellion in pissing off a complete fanbase?
- On a scale of one to Ubukata how much pizza will there be?
Only because they comply. Every effort to question how things are run is nipped in the bud. Oh, and what a nice governing power the Sybil System must be to commit terrorism against its own masses.
Look At This Silly Anon And Laugh The Post.
>Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians).
I shouldn't be spoonfeeding you in the first place.
I don't think anime should be analyzed somehow disjoined from every other form of media. I know we haven't got many cyberpunk animu out there, but in no means is psycho-pass original. In fact "anime standard originality" pretty much only means "reused ideas but now animated". Because why anime should be judged separately, as it pretty much shares most technical and narrative aspects as for example live-action television?
Because that would mean too much data to process. Imagine comparing a work of fiction to every piece of literature, comic and film that were ever made across all countries. By comparing anime to anime works only we narrow it down to just one country and one form. It becomes doable by a human being.
Have you guys read this tumblr girl review of psycho pass?
she shits all over the season, I get some of the points but she just go SJW on the series
It's possible it may not be. Although Mika is in it, she was introduced at the end of s1 so unless there are no other references one can literally skip s2 and watch the movie right after s1
Characters were barely developed in S2, so I'm really under impression that they were prepared for the movie and just Ubukata was allowed to introduce them early on.
The moment the movie mentions Kamui, I'll withdraw my claim... regrettable.
Urobuchi, y did u allow dis to happen?
Dangerous individuals are isolated from the society until they recover.
Criminals with no hope for rehabilitation are eliminated.
Tell me what is logically wrong with any of that.
I'm reporting you for trolling, even if it's against the rules for me to say this.
>Their mansion is filled with a menagerie of illegal aliens that have been captured and for unknown reasons, mutated/transformed into the bodies of (normal-looking) wild animals somehow. Yes, you read that correctly. (So why would they be so shocked by seeing a dismembered human body...? Wouldn't they have to be criminally asymptomatic to even get this far?) Writing like that was taken out of The Hunger Games for a reason. It's bad and it's lame and how is this getting worse, how how how?
>This series is a steaming pile of garbage.
Psycho Pass confirmed for hunger games of animey
Well point, I guess. But in many cases the works of fiction copied are fairly well known and influential, as in this case. Focusing only on anime and deeming something original feels very narrow to me.
...Trolling? Good to know I'm trolling. I'm not.
Seeing I got a warning for merely using an emoticon from these oh-so-competent moderatiors, I'll get banned too, simply because you're too lazy to support your claim.
Yay. It was a good day.
>Seeing I got a warning for merely using an emoticon from these oh-so-competent moderatiors
So you were that one fag. Wow. That explains it.
>Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Sibyl has the death penalty
>All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
>Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
>(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
>(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
The entire Minority Report-esque crime prevention idea kills this.
>Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
>Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Anti-Sibyl = latent criminal.
Because it's hated. Not stated even in the rules. It's hated. I got a warning from moderation for doing something that is /unpopular/.
Truth be told, the reason I feel Sibyl System would be better than our real society, is because it would make this world less rotten by humans like these.
Going this far for one shit-tier shitposter. Sasuga anon. You are autistic enough to fit in here. not that it's a bad thing, mind you.
>(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
Sibyl chooses where you can work, you can only choose Sibyl's options.
>(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
Sibyl restricts the arts.
> Article 3
Death penalty wasn't invented by Sibyl
Sibyl IS the law, everyone is equal in front of Sibyl, unless someone is pulling CC bullshit (which is basically like counterfeiting proofs in normal law)
> art 10
Sibyl is the impartial tribunal
> art 11
Your CC going 100+ is proof that you're guilty of being unfit for society
Art18 and 19 are broken all right.
Are you shittalking mods by any chance?
>Sibyl restricts the arts.
They're restricted, not banned, Yayoi's ex-gf could sing her songs even if Sibyl said they were bad, Oreo's dad still painted.
Not sure how restricted they are.
You're right about the emoticon thing. It's board culture, the mods shouldn't be officially enforcing board culture like that, especially considering they go out of their way to antagonize us so much.
In the first episode when Kougami is about to shoot the hostage girl what does he say to Akane?
I would be wary to call any work a 'copy' if it is so self-aware in referencing other pieces of fiction. Remember the episode with Makishima telling his Korean pal 'you should read this book' ?
>Death penalty wasn't invented by Sibyl
Irrelevant. Every country that has the death penalty today is violating human rights, be they ISIS or Texas.
>Sibyl IS the law
>Sibyl is the impartial tribunal
So was pic related
>Your CC going 100+ is proof that you're guilty of being unfit for society
Which violates articles 10 and 11.
>Yayoi's ex-gf could sing her songs even if Sibyl said they were bad
Until she was raided by the MWPSB
>Oreo's dad still painted
Sibyl restricted his arts being spread, however
Okay, I see, thank you.
Now, I'm not sure what to think, actually. Totalitarian systems as history knows them, disregarding these rights are doing monstrosities, but...
What I noticed is the difference I mentioned earlier. Most people live happy, safe, comfortable lives, using their full potential. That's unlike any tyranny we ever experienced.
Part of the concept behind the Psycho-Pass is exactly this - it's terrifying, but logical. Not just that, it's necessary in the society in the show - helm riots? People were literally breaking in everywhere, comforting themselves to whatever they wanted. That's why I don't actually believe Sibyl System should be brought down - it would just end with a slaughter.
I suppose we can't get anywhere discussing it like this, huh...?
>Until she was raided by the MWPSB
That's because they were about to pull some rebellion shit.
>Sibyl restricted his arts being spread, however
Censored because it was edgy shit that could easily increase CC (Oreo's dad had to coma himself to stay <100)
It's a bit iffy but they're basically preventing people from getting in contact with CC bombs, but then their weapon of execution boils people from the insides.
>mods = gods
Totally nope. It's anons who judge, mods only execute the sentence passed by the community.
I prefer it this way. /a/ can moderate itself to an extent due to this mechanism being in place.
>vox populi, vox dei
To be honest, I have always found the upthight butthurt community rules on /a/ goddamn stupid.
I know they sort of exist to keep newbies out by making the environment hostile and all that, but it's taken always too far and ends up as sort of an extreme practical joke that isn't taken ironically anymore for some reason. If we inspect critically for example use of emoticons, can you really call something like that an offense, as it barely degrades board quality? Do you actually hate emoticons so much that you are ready to go to war because someone somewhere used a string of two letters?
>for example use of emoticons
>barely degrades board quality
Some would argue otherwise. I just find them unpleasant. In actual fact, there's no need for emoticons on 4chan as it's an IMAGE board.
Not this shit again.
Sibyl's doesn't restrict freedom nearly as much as you think it does.
It's more restrictive than current society, but has much better EVERYTHING.
Fucking self entitled americans trying to ruin everyone's pseudo-utopia for their fucking "muh ebin freedom :D" shit fuck ass.
Where did you take the Americans bit from? Are you butthurt about America for some reason?
Censorship is kind of a thing in every country.
Other than that they plan on going public with the brain shit, possibly soon, the rest are state secrets.
Thinking america when people talk about an overly idealized idea of freedom is normal i think.
Well by that logic there's no need for text either as this is an IMAGE board.
Anyway, I guess they might be unpleasant, but are they really that big an offense? Most of the time "lel sekret club" goes bit too far, or do you find every "vox populi" rule to be needed instead of tight-ass nitpicking?
The problem being, said destruction isn't in the name of freedom - most of them were clearly serf-serving robberies and murders.
To me, the people who would gain freedom after that would be exactly this kind of scum.
It's funny how in the country so filled with "freedom" police shootings are so common.
Under Sibyl System, no one without the right aptitude is even allowed to carry arms, clear-hued Inspectors or Enforcers - both are certain to have the right mentality for the job..
Not only that, these who are allowed can't even shoot if the target isn't a criminal. Then, unless you go ax-crazy, you won't even be harmed. You will be free to go as soon as you are able to operate in the society without harming anyone.
Dominator doesn't judge your race, doesn't judge you for "being suspicious". It just judges how dangerous your mentality is, how likely you are to commit a crime.
Not only that, crime right is much, MUCH greater than in Sibyl's society.
I don't care if8f America is more dangerous. I prefer living in a place with more freedom that is more dangerous than a bubble wrapped nanny state where you are free to do fuckall.
Go fuck yourself Utilitarianfag. I don't want your utopia if it's at the cost of countless freedoms.
>It's funny how in the country so filled with "freedom" police shootings are so common.
400 or so incidents in a country of 318 million. A very acceptable price to pay.
How is it possible to overly idealize the highest ideal of humankind?
Philosophers of the Enlightenment like Thomas Paine and Voltaire argued that human freedom was incredibly important. What makes your thinking better than theirs?
America actually was pretty prosperous during that time despite the liberal muh negros are people too shrills.
Only reason it's terrible today is because of the institute of socialism added so now the hard working and honest workers of America are forced to keep alive the lazy and trash of America and the influence of liberal ideals because now you can't even kick out ILLEGALS without being branded a racist.
>The problem being, said destruction isn't in the name of freedom - most of them were clearly serf-serving robberies and murders.
>To me, the people who would gain freedom after that would be exactly this kind of scum.
A fallacy here, I see. What makes you think so?
Freedom to do what? How do you exactly use that freedom?
Tell me, watch S1E2 again - listen to Akane, her friends, characters in the background - and tell me, how is their freedom restricted.
>How is it possible to overly idealize the highest ideal of humankind?
By placing it in front of everything and valuing it much, much higher than everything.
Seriously trying to cause widespread suffering and distruction which would obviously cause lasting damage to society just because of a relatively small restriction of freedom in a society where the vast majority of people live a life much, much better than any life they would live without said system is just retarded.
There's a distinction between valuing freedom and deciding to live as a hermit in the woods because having laws implies a restriction on one's freedom, and forcing everyone to live in the woods is even worse.
Does sibyl allow people to emigrate? Kogami wasn't shown having issues going to thailand.
Freedom to do as much as shit I can without external interference.
In my state I can still smoke indoors, drive without a seatbelt, taxation is very low, I can own a gun with zero checks, and weed is about to be legalized.
Negative freedoms. Not stupid shit like positive freedoms.
They take in asymptomatics to be able to judge that kind of asymptomatic, besides judgment as a whole might circumvent the asymptomatic nature of the single brains.
Could go either way really.
You are a retard, aren't you? As our life-standards increase there is no real reason to divide people into classes out of anything else than greed and demented ideals of pure masterrace or whatever you folks believe in nowadays
Then fuck off utilitarianfaggot. Sibyl forces people to live under its system. It does not allow people to leave the country.
I'm so glad I live in America than a nanny state where everything is heavily regulated for "da greater good".
>By placing it in front of everything and valuing it much, much higher than everything.
But that's the natural order
>Seriously trying to cause widespread suffering and distruction which would obviously cause lasting damage to society just because of a relatively small restriction of freedom in a society where the vast majority of people live a life much, much better than any life they would live without said system is just retarded.
Freedom > society
Freedom > quality of life
If we take this literally, shouldn't you be living in Somalia or other "country" with no stable control of government? Isn't living inside the framework of USA limiting your freedom as an individual? Why aren't you booking a lifetime trip to Somalia right now, anon?
No one even wants to leave.
And honestly, all you do is convince me that the kind of freedom you seek is not even worth protecting.
What is so good about freedom of this kind? I don't understand it. It has no value at all.
One word: Saiga
>causing shit for everyone else just to enforce your ideals is just being self entitled.
Causing shit? Advocating for the legalization of drugs and other rights in America, such as euthanasia and same-sex unions, in the name of freedom, is 'causing shit'?
Freedom improves society, unless society no longer exists. That's called anarchy, and its still more desirable than tyranny.
So you'd rather everyone to be miserable because you're happy being miserable.
You'd violate their freedom of being under Sibyl just to enforce your personal ideal.
That's just selfish man.
We're talking Sibyl here, what the fuck.
Over the US? No. I always prefer freedom up until it results in chaos. None of the freedoms we have in America is causing chaos.
If I had a choice between living in North Korea or Somalia I would choose the latter. In this case I prefer chaos over draconian control.
I'm not going to bother convincing you. But under sibyl you force your ideals onto me and force me to live under a draconian system, thus I would retaliate accordingly.
Still under Sibyl's jurdistication, utilitarianfag.
That would imply i'm changing the status quo.
Also majority rules.
Such great it would make for people to have the freedom of exposing people to CC increasing drawings or music.
Except Sibyl isn't tyranny. It doesn't oppress its people, it doesn't force them to manifest or declare anything.
Sexuality and race also don't matter to Sibyl - all humans are judges equally, which is ideal of law, truth be told. That society is even less oppressive than our real one.
Such an ideal, unfortunately requires sacrifices - which means allowing criminally asymptomatic to live, just in order to develop the system further. To me, it's literally the only moral flaw.
>So you'd rather everyone to be miserable because you're happy being miserable.
>You'd violate their freedom of being under Sibyl just to enforce your personal ideal.
No. You're the selfish one faggot.
Read again. Sibyl FORCES people to live under its system. It does not allow emigration. The only way to leave is through underground black market methods which would cause you to be imprisoned if caught.
You're the selfish one faggot because you are forcing your shitty utopia onto others with the barrel of a gun.
Canadian, actually. I pity the Yuropoors that constantly give up individual freedoms because muh greater good then whine about their nanny state. Enjoy your bubble wrapped society.
Sometimes freedom comes with more risks and more people die as a result. I wouldn't have it any other way, faggot.
And the majority is perfectly happy to live like that.
Because the majority likes living more than being able to fap to guro.
Sibyl is just protecting society anon.
It's just that the greater good isn't your good.
Also source on any of that? You're telling me Kogami just materialized black market connections seconds after shooting Kogami in the head, with no money nor any other personal propriety?
>Sibyl is just protecting society anon.
It's just that the greater good isn't your good.
And this is why utilitarianfag are cancerous as shit. They force their shitty philosophy onto others and literally force fucking people to live under it.
Nigger, if you force me to live under your shitty society then society can get fucked for all I care. Let it collapse completely and utterly.
>And the majority is perfectly happy to live like that.
You're talking out of your ass. You cannot have any idea about that. I don't know where your guro example came from given that the people locked up by Sybil included a musician with 'irregular thinking' and a tatoo master.
There is because it destroys real progress. Resources going to the trash of society is doing nothing more than setting back technology advances and science. Science, facts, and statics have proven that niggers, spics, oldfags, disabledfags, baby boomer fags, criminalfags, religion, etc. are a cancer to society and progress.
>everybody accepted it!
No. Some people opposed it. Those same people are literally forced to live under this tyranny without being allowed to leave the country as a result.
This is practically tyranny of the majority.
Ubukata: destroying interesting arguments since 2014
And then they say s2 didn't ruin the setting.
Same anon also aid most current governments violate human rights, i guess those are oppressive too then?
Latent criminals are treated like mentally ill people and sent to therapy.
In real society, mentally ill people are also sent to therapy.
Speaking of that, Sibyl's job assessment is no different than boss deciding to hire or not hire you based on your education an experience.
Makishima talking about Oreo's father. Kogami talking with Akane after the riots.
Cherrypicking at its finest. It's not even the right season for the north hemisphere.
There are plenty of scenes which show people being oppressed or locked up for no reason other than a clouded hue.
Yayoi's episode. The victim of workspace bullying. Etc.
Watch them. Now.
>Upon taking control, Sibyl closes the borders of Japan for both entry and exit by any and all individuals. This is done for several reasons
Yes, some people were exiled, but not for refusing to live under sibyl.
>In fact, when Sibyl was activated, many people were exiled: social critics, political groups, students, university teachers, and some farmers; basically, anyone deemed useless in the new order.
Badically if you are an influential or important person and you refuse to live under Sibyl, then tough shit. Muh greater good.
Nobody was forced. When the Sibyl was implemented, a number of people not wanting to live under it were exiled. The rest was fine with it.
Nothing wrong about it from my point of view.
Then so be it. My philosophy allows me to disregard what the majority thinks when it conflicts with my own personal freedom.
I'm not going to suffer or live under literal tyranny because the majority deems I should. If that makes me selfish, then so be it.
Victim of worplace bullying was a murderer. That being said, I'm really under impression that the bullies were also latent criminals - harming others on a regular basis is a pretty criminal desire.
Because one chick who wonders to herself whether she could have been happy IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S IMAGINATION sure represents a great chunk of society!
Maybe where you come from. Your words are actually offensive to me and my nation.
>The victim of workspace bullying
You should try getting a job if you think that's a Sibyl thing.
> Yayoi's episode
Yayoi's perfectly fine with Sibyl, the rebels were perfectly fine with making molotov cocktails.
Just don't expect any other treatment than pizzification, nor expect to be seen as a martyr by the general populace.
>Same anon also said most current governments violate human rights, i guess those are oppressive too then
I hope you didn't have to think too long about it. Do you really needed to ask?
>Because one chick who wonders to herself whether she could have been happy IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S IMAGINATION sure represents a great chunk of society!
Completely went over your head.
We know they avoid people getting in because of the political ramifications of enforcing Sibyl's law on gaijins, we saw Kogami managing to exile himself just fine.
It's not completely clear, as long as it's not people with critical information i doubt Sibyl gives half a shit, saves them the trouble of pizzificate them.
You should go to Somalia then.
Perhaps that, I was wrong about... Still, do you think something like this would be implemented and used for law enforcement with society's approval?
After the implementation, definitely not. Except I doubt you'd want to leave, aside from the selfish reasons like "I didn't get the job I wanted!"
>After the implementation, definitely not. Except I doubt you'd want to leave, aside from the selfish reasons like "I didn't get the job I wanted!"
Exactly. It forces people to live under its shitty rule against their own will. Such a system deserves to be dismantled completely and utterly.
>You should try getting a job if you think that's a Sibyl thing.
So you don't have an argument?
Rewatch the episode. The person in charge explains that bullying helps to ease the stress of the bullies and he's totally fine with that.
Oh wait, you didn't even watch the show. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying shit like Yayoi being locked up in a facility.
Already addressed. Fuck off. If it was a utopia it wouldn't force people to li e there under gunpoint. And such a "utopia" at the cost of countless individual freedoms is a shit place to live.
My argument is: workplace bullying is as common as workplaces.
Yayoi believed in the Sibyl system even after getting locked up.
According to your own logic, the state you live in is oppressive, as it violates human rights.
And being oppressive is why you would want to leave Sibyl.
> muh freedoom
you really should try that somalia you talk about
you only think sybil's so bad because you have no clue what real oppression is like
rebelling because of such little is just acting spoiled
I already said why I don't take it into consideration - human rights were written by humans who didn't exactly predict everything.
Latent criminals don't exactly matter in regards to the argument - because it's comparable to keeping our real criminals in prison - the reason why they are isolated isn't exactly punishment alone - it's also preventing harm they might cause to the society.
Do you think those who wrote those right took a system which allows to detect such threats before any harm is done into account? I'd say not.
>if I had the choice between dying and mostly having a nice cushy job, food and internet I'd choose dying because MUH FREEDOM
Assuming you live long enough to use freedom.
> tfw pseudo philosophical arguments about Sibyl
> tfw taking a look at season2 just destroys the argument because CC don't work and Sibyl uses terrorism to enforce its own rule and values "muh experiment" more than the well being of its society
>According to your own logic, the state you live in is oppressive, as it violates human rights. And being oppressive is why you would want to leave Sibyl.
Some huge leaps in logic here. Don't use it in your homework.
Most countries of the world do violate human rights, however, the extent and exact nature of said violations vary from country to country. Of course, few individuals would willingly choose to live in a country with a high prevalence of HR violations, so that's why people like refugees exist. Violation of human rights is a continuum, not a nominal variable. I hope it wasn't too hard.
>>if I had the choice between dying and mostly having a nice cushy job, food and internet
At the cost of countless individual liberties, and being literally forced to luve under it.
At leas in Somalia I can leave any time without a fucking tyrannical government stopping me because "muh greater good nigga"
Fucking retarded utilitarians.
You know there is no such thing as liberty, right? Just like there is no such thing as freedom or free will, because the minute you're born you're influenced and controlled by something/someone. Weither it's your parents, society, laws, your environment, government, hell your animal instincts control you.
>countless individual liberties
puts a smile on my face everytime you say that
makes it sound like Sybil is fucking tetragrammatron
did we get a source on the "can't leave" thing?
i think it was mentioned in s1 but i'm not 100% sure
>I already said why I don't take it into consideration
I thought what would follow would be 'cause I'm a faggot', but alas!
Explain how do you not consider the denial of the right to fair and public trial, the freedom of opinion and expression, the freedom of choice of employment, the freedom of information
different forms of oppression. It's not only the locked-up people who have those things denied to them.
You sound like you're just pissed off because you think you know better.
That's the great thing about the Sibyl system. The rulers are run on logic and since they're just brains they can't fall to pray to the things that would normal befall a ruler such as greedy, anger, fear, money, food, boream, etc. These are actual logical and intelligent people not like George W. Bush and Obongo who are retards or a populace that can't name state representatives but can name contestants off of American idea.
I wouldn't be able to do so unless I had connections.
The average person cannot leave and that's what bothers me.
Utilitarianism is a shit philosophy that needs literal totalitarianism to be enforced.
>GUYS THAT GUY KILLED HIM BECAUSE BLACK
>WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?
>WELL... THE GUY HE SHOT WAS BLACK AND WEARING A HOODIE!!! PLUS MUH FEELINGS TELL ME SO OOGA BOOGA!
And thus the chimp out began.
You're not going to start any sort of rebellion without connections.
You probably need much less connections to just get the fuck out, Kogami managed offscreen with Sibyl hot on his ass, Miki-kun and Kirito are having troubles with their terrorism even with bullshit powers and multiple rich and influential connections.
>this is what utiltiarianfags actually believe
I don't care if my thinking happens to be wrong in the end. I am a human. I have the freedom to make the wrong choices.
What annoys me is that your system isn't actually a "utopia" at all. Utopias don't force its citizens to live under its sytem at gunpoint. If not wanting to live under literal tyranny is "illogical" and "stupid." Then so be it.
I don't want to leave my country because I am satisfied with the indivodual freedoms we possess. Next question?
>Yayoi believed in the Sibyl system even after getting locked up.
No evidence to back up you claim, eh? Sure she did after she couldn't play her guitar and laid on bed frustrated.
>workplace bullying is as common as workplaces
You just said
>because bullying is common at workplaces, it's not something to feel upset or oppressed about
which shows what kind of hypocritical, devoid of empathy pig you are
>You're not going to start any sort of rebellion without connections.
I wouldn't need to start a revolution. In this case I would just raise my CC to the point where lethal force would be mandated. I would force myself to get pizza'd then continue to live under Sibyl.
Kogami and everybody else you have mentioned are not average citizens.
You can choose between all the occupations you have aptitude for, just like you can choose between job offers.
You are free to have literally any opinion, since, you know, anarchists were really a thing in S1E4. As long as you're not violent about it, you might even not be a latent criminal.
There's no trial, because unless you have a mind of a murderer, you end up in health care facility. Yes, system takes an effort to actually reform you, so you're not a threat.
Freedom of information isn't exactly absent - you might access any information you want - Sibyl just didn't exactly keep a whole lot of a database on history - they aren't evem feeding lies, they just don't store some kind of data.
>Utopias don't force its citizens to live under its sytem at gunpoint.
>GUIZ TAXATION IS THEFT THERE FOR I'M NOT GOING TO PAY INTO IT
>GUMBERMT HA HA FUCK YOUR SHIT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT OR WE'LL THROW YOU IN JAIL
Don't act like no system doesn't force it's citizens to do things. I'm just going to take Sibyl side on this since they have results that lead to it prosperity while modern society is still appealing to emotion by making humans feel bad if they don't keep trash alive like the poor and criminals.
Yayoi was shown believing in Sibyl during all of the first season.
Of course she was pissed at how latent criminals are treated inside the facility, but when she got out she was against her ex-gf rebelling against Sibyl.
And what the fuck does that have to do with me being hypocritical you idiot?
I'm just saying that bullying and mobbing is commonplace in the real world, that particular facility in s1 exploited it because of that particular facility's unique circumstances.
It has nothing to do with wether i'm against it or not, it has to do with you thinking that bullying in he workplace only exists because Sibyl.
I thought you were the guy that went on about how the system must be utterly destroyed and stuff.
No evidence? She actually wanted to get out of facility by purifying her Hue and thought her /lover/ was in the wrong for trying to violently oppose the system with molotovas.
Not sure how that's not being okay with the system
why are you trying to water down the facts? they are there, no pretty words can change them. you may delude yourself into thinking 'it's not THAT bad', but you cannot be this blind to the reality of basic human rights violations being present there.
No. Your comparison is a fucking non-seiqutor.
I am fine with paying some taxes. The reason being is that I use those services. For example the taxes I pay for roads and hospitals I am content with because I use those systems on a regular basis.
Now there are some taxes I would be perfectly fine with scrapping. Taxes that go towards welfare for example. I don't give a shit about poor people.
Now if I didn't want to pay taxes at all I can easily pack up and move to a tax haven. I am not forced to live in an overtaxed country against my own will.
You CANNOT do that with Sibyl. You are literally forced to live under its system no exceptions. If I decided I wanted to leave the country because I wanted to pick my own career or refuse to have my CC measure, I cannot do that. I am simply not allowed to leave the country at all.
Can you see the fundamental difference?
It's amazing how everything is going so to the script for this to all turn into another Urobuchi saves anime bonanza that I almost have to wonder if season 2 was done on purpose somehow as a ploy to set up the scenario and make the movie look even better in comparison.
Because being coerced into something sure shows your free will and genuine beliefs! No. She wanted a life, so she chose to comply. Are you saying you'd be an avid supporter of the system after you got locked up and released, but in a downgraded status, as a second-class citizen? Nobody is this retarded. Yayoi chose not to follow Rina for different reasons.
I just don't think that not keeping full database on everything is a violation of human rights?
Not to mention that you are given job offers you are most fit for, literally judging your potential and even interests? It's comparable to not being able to be a doctor without education.
i'd prefer if it was a source better than the wiki but ok
and that anon's argument was "ok, but not as much as you're making it out to be"
degree of things always matters, don't be an idiot
citizens aren't forcing you to do shit anon
citizens are just minding their own shit
they might even be ok with you getting the fuck out of their neighborhood
>it has to do with you thinking that bullying in he workplace only exists because Sibyl
In that particular example, it did. The bullies were allowed to do as they please since their actions cleared their hues. The manager approved.
You realize those roads and hospitals would be the best interest of the citizens to keep up in the first place so there would be no need to tax.
And you're still forced to pay. You can't do whatever the fuck you want with the money you earn. You are literally forced to live under the system of liberal garbage because apparently every criminal and poorfag is just the man keeping them down or whatever excuse they make to appeal to emotions.
Under Sibyl there is no appeal to emotion, there are no poorfags, no cancerous thing like minorities, oldfags don't exist really, and intelligent and logic reign which is always a good thing.
Could you imagine what would happen if Sibyl was like the other old systems? Paranoia running rampet, dieseses killing off the honest and hard workers of society, religion keeping it's gripe on citizens to give them false hope and to asolve them if evil because it's the will of muh sky god, people expressing their "opinion" on things they know nothing about, being afraid of death like it's a big deal instead of treating it like it's just normal, special treatment to muh children, and other cancerous things that plague the progress of humanity.
No. There's a reason they're called illegal aliens.
The majority probably supports Sibyl and supports the provision that forces people to live in their country. They deserve to be murdered.
Compared to real life where sometimes bullies are allowed by the boss because he's a dick.
The only real difference is that they were so open about it, in eal life they'd have pretended everything was ok until the cops left.
Was the bullied guy allowed to get another job?
I remember his CV was accepted for that place just because he was a bullying subject, surely he had other options?
Then surprise. Even real life societies violate human rights.
I'm not sure why you're so stuck to them though. They work in our real world, but they are meant to protect human life and dignity - which isn't really a problem, since people under Sibyl live without actual oppression and live their life quite peacefully.
I'm sticking more to the reality of situation rather than some documents centuries old in 2112.
No system is perfect, workplace bullying (with the victim being rotated out before experiencing severe mental distress, except when Shogo gets in on things) is a small price to pay by any standards m8.
Don't be daft. Your regular citizen in any first world country also hardly ever goes on trial. But how the system reacts once the trial is on is what matters. Surprise, surprise, violation of human rights may not be widespread, but concern only a minority! Why care about a minority, right?
I'm sure regular folk in China don't care much about their human rights being deprived if they are able to live in peace in comfort, not the most oppressive system I heard of you have to admit, until shit happens.
>violation of human rights may not be widespread
That's actually wrong
According to what that other anon posted hours ago, violation of human rights is pretty common
Degree of things doesn't matter after all.
>You realize those roads and hospitals would be the best interest of the citizens to keep up in the first place so there would be no need to tax.
That's not the reason I support them though. I am fine with paying those taxes because I use those services if I didn't then I wouldn't be fine with paying them.
The rest of your post reads like a defense of National Socialism.
I don't give a fuck about poor people, criminals, and whatnot. Are you familar with the nonagression principle? My system allows the execution of niggers and even poorfags when they try to steal your shit or force you to give them money. We have more in common than you think.
But I don't want tonlive under tyranny. I enjoy the individual freedoms I have even if they come at a cost and more people die as a result. Would the place I choose to live in have more crime than Sibyl? Sure. I see that crime as a fair and justified price to pay for the freedoms I hold dear and so greatly cherish.
you seriously expect me to teach you common sense?
bully victims rarely do, even if they could
maybe he fit the job requirements because they knew he wouldn't leave
As a second generation immigrant my parents often complain about how ineffective the police are in this country. The recent massacre in Sydney Australia confirms the fact that you can't have both 'effective police' (with fewer crime related deaths) and 'ineffective' police who don't infringe upon the rights of the people.
If Sibyl had existed, those people would not have necessarily died.
Furthermore, a lot of people in China get shit like free university as opposed to really expensive education. And yet the government is corrupt unlike Sibyl's.
Once your basic needs are met: food, comfort, water, shelter, education, money THEN you can have 'muh freedom.' Otherwise, having freedom is pointless since you'd are still enslaved by these needs.
What would happen if I told them the inner workings of Sibyl?
I'd probably be sent in for "treatment" along with the person who I told so for the rest of our lives. Or probably brainwashed and drugged to shit.
>Once your basic needs are met: food, comfort, water, shelter, education, money THEN you can have 'muh freedom.' Otherwise, having freedom is pointless since you'd are still enslaved by these needs.
Shh, he's part of the middle-class "proletariat" so you're better off appealing to grand and intangible ideals such as "freedom".
Promising bread and housing only works when talking to people who have neither.
Yes. They should go on trial and be imprisoned like good criminal do.
>now you're just being a moralfag
Whereas you're an opportunist without any moral compass, right?
>What would happen if I told them the inner workings of Sibyl?
But they don't know, and can't be held accountable.
You should give a fuck because the poor and criminals are a detriment to your life. Are you wondering why the prices of items are up? Because the store has to compensate for the money they're forced to pay for those trash? Wonder why you're only forced to pick one insurance and it's expensive? Because of the appeal to poor lowering the quality of care you would get. Wonder why some houses are shit and others aren't? Because the government fucked up thanks to the housing bubble so every "poorfag" has a "chance" which rose the prices of houses to compensate for the spending.
Think about that the next time you're forced to mandate tipping to that bitch server who is like muh money when she's just a lazy fucker that won't get an education or that sassy ass niggeress that is waiting on welfare because muh slavery.
>Whereas you're an opportunist without any moral compass, right?
Are you implying enlightenment principles are some sort of concrete moral truths?
Look at yourself anon, introspection reveals more than asserting that your beliefs are correct ad nauseam.
Well Ubukata wrote the fucking shit that can't even be considered canon.
>184 bodies stitched together not a person
>1 dimensional sibyl
>muuuhhhh brain is made up of different people
>PRESSING SIX DOMINATORS EVERY FIVE MINUTES WILL CAUSE THE SYSTEM TO DDOS BECAUSE SHIBYL HAS LESS PROCESSING POWER THAN AN IPHONE
>Decomposer only works 3 times asspul
>Asspull dominator which shoots through walls
>CC jumps up random as a fuckly
>Once your basic needs are met: food, comfort, water, shelter, education, money THEN you can have 'muh freedom.' Otherwise, having freedom is pointless since you'd are still enslaved by these needs.
>Muh positive freedoms
Don't exist faggot. Negative freedoms should always be given more weight. With more freedom sometimes you will have more poorfags, homelessfags, and illiteratefags. It's an acceptable price to pay.
i'm sorry anon
life can't always be fully described with booleans
just think about anything, now think about that anything but a bit more of it
don't you see things changed?
well sorry you sounded like him
>People who claim that those who want Sibyl are selfish because they don't look at the wishes of the majority
>When so few people are actually able to use those freedoms that their opinion represents the minority
>Decomposer only works 3 times asspul
That's on the LNs too.
Paralasers is the only endless dominator shot(which makes it kind of weird that they aren't allowed to use that on 300 if they so desire).
It didn't even make a fucking difference in the end, just Togane going "muh bullets" when no drone was in sight anyways (and Sugo's gun was available anyways).
It is canon though anon, just embrace the madness.
Highest Crime Coefficient ever!!
Of course not.
Summaries are somewhere on the internet, probably tumblr.
But anyways, it stands to reason that the dominators can't just shoot energy beams endlessly.
And again, it made no real difference.
>You should give a fuck because the poor and criminals are a detriment to your life
No. I don't. Simply because I do not desire absolute freedom nor do desire living in a bubble wrap society.
For example I support the right to keep and bear arms with very minimal restrictions. As a result I risk getting shot in public greater as a result. But I do not care or give the slightest modicum of a shit. I see that freedom as being a perfectly acceptable price to pay.
>Are you wondering why the prices of items are up?
I'm not a poorfag.
I don't support welfare nor do I tip. My economic policies tend to be laissez-faire. I don't give a shit about poorfags and homeless cunts and I don't want to pay for them.
Freedom from tyranny and external interference.
Lolwat? I don't care if the majority think Sibyl is a good idea. I personally see it as being fucking retarded because you are literally forced to live under it . The average person cannot leave as a result.
Yes. Under my system welfare isn't mandated nor does it exist. Natural selection would take its course and the poor, homeless and illiterate retards wouldn't be able to function and thus die as a result.
> Dominators, when fully charged, can fire four shots
Source is the wiki, source of the wiki is the 2 volumes LN written by Fukami (s1 writer)
Yup. If forcibly resisting against a tyrannical system which does not allow you to leave because the majority thinks it's a good idea then I'm selfish as fuck.
Being selfish a bad thing. I am content with placing the interests of myself above those of others.
They'll just turn to crime or whatever gommunist rebellion that promises them free housing.
The poor/homeless/illiterate aren't necessarily stupid, most people possess a certain level of cunning and stopping them is far easier said than done.
>inb4 execute all people who commit crimes, that leads to Mexico-tier organized crime.
>Can people eat that?
No and they don't need to.
Learn how to sustain your own self faggot. Every man should learn how to hunt animals and live off the land when its necessary.
>Will it heat their homes
>or stop muggings?
Shoot the mugger. Annihilate him completely and utterly.
And, if you'd finished to read my post, you'll find me pre-empting such a simplistic view.
If you start executing criminals, they will just become more violent and do anything to avoid being imprisoned. Dealing with Cartels, terrorists and paramilitary groups is generally more expensive and dangerous than throwing the plebs a loaf of bread every now and again.
>Learn how to sustain your own self faggot. Every man should learn how to hunt animals and live off the land when its necessary.
You are delusional, the land is far beyond sustaining the current population by a simple hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
>Shoot the mugger. Annihilate him completely and utterly.
Then muggers become more brazen, and will simply kill you outright before taking your shit.
Are you familiar with the origins of the term "thug"?
>If you start executing criminals, they will just become more violent and do anything to avoid being imprisoned. Dealing with Cartels, terrorists and paramilitary groups
All of these have happened in countries with extremely strict gun control and where the public has been disarmed. Just allow guns, grenade launchers and RPGs to be acquired by every citizen. There. The criminals jobs have gotten that much harder.
Furthermore you do realize that a police force can exist under a free-market based society? Also private security and PMCs.
>You are delusional, the land is far beyond sustaining the current population by a simple hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
No it isn't retard. There is a fucktton of wildlife in my state. I can literally live off shooting and eating wild animals for the entirety of my life.
Is it pleasant? No. But it doesn't have to be if you just want to survive.
>Then muggers become more brazen, and will simply kill you outright before taking your shit.
Right. This is why there are more robberies in the UK than in the US.
More muggers would fuck off and think twice about robbing someone than becoming more ballsy.
>If you start executing criminals, they will just become more violent and do anything to avoid being imprisoned.
They cease to be humans at all the minute they committed their crimes. That's why a strong logical and intelligent society is a good thing because the more those logical and intelligent humans advance science then society won't have to worry about money and danger because that same society will have developed robots to combat the filthy trash of society.
Don't let the liberal propaganda and Jewllywood movies fool you. Criminals are not people.
>All of these have happened in countries with extremely strict gun control and where the public has been disarmed. Just allow guns, grenade launchers and RPGs to be acquired by every citizen. There. The criminals jobs have gotten that much harder.
And a few citizens going about their day to day business will manage to protect themselves from organized criminal groups?
>Furthermore you do realize that a police force can exist under a free-market based society? Also private security and PMCs.
So the alternative is autonomous armed groups engaging in violence for money?
What a novel idea, I think Latin America would be the perfect place to trial such a model.
>And a few citizens going about their day to day business will manage to protect themselves from organized criminal groups?
No. Unfortunately with greater freedoms sometimes more crime increases. I still prefer it to completely tyranny and being unable to leave a country because "da greater good."
>So the alternative is autonomous armed groups engaging in violence for money?
What a novel idea, I think Latin America would be the perfect place to trial such a model.
We are discussing hypothetical situations here. I am not an anarchist, I am a minarchist. Under my system the police and military would continue to exist.
>No it isn't retard. There is a fucktton of wildlife in my state. I can literally live off shooting and eating wild animals for the entirety of my life.
And if everyone else in your state did the same, this wouldn't be the case.
You think stocks of wildlife will survive indiscriminate hunting by millions of people? The Bison was driven extinct when the population was far lower that it is today m8.
>Right. This is why there are more robberies in the UK than in the US.
The difference is negligible, and has no bearing on my argument.
Unless the US has implemented the death-penalty for robbery recently, the situation isn't much different.
>No. Unfortunately with greater freedoms sometimes more crime increases. I still prefer it to completely tyranny and being unable to leave a country because "da greater good."
What use is freedom without security?
Perhaps you are a rare case, but people throughout history have consistently shown they value their safety and lives more than fighting for "freedom from tyranny".
Well he IS /pol/ run-off, narrow-mindedness comes with the territory.
> page 9
good night thread, you did pretty good
Positive /freedoms" are not really freedoms.
I'm not saying legalize murders. Of course the line between safety and freedom is differs where its drawn by each individual.
I am content with trqding some of my safety for freedoms. Like I said before, guns are a good example.