Japanese casuals believe Zero is superior because it was written by Urobuchi and they didn't know the source material.
I told you back in 2011 when it was announced: Zero will be the biggest disgrace to ever happen to TM.
Really Japan... fucking really. Zero is more interesting just because Urobuchi wrote it?
Now I get why they liked that shitty movie by Urobuchi, they'd just buy every shit that he writes.
It's got worse characters, worse plot, and less cohesive themes.
The only way it's better is that maybe the average fight scene is better. Even then the best scenes are still in F/SN.
While I think that Urobrochi is really overrated and that Fate/Stay Night is better than Zero, I still really enjoyed Zero.
Come at me.
You could have stopped it
>Zero will be the biggest disgrace to ever happen to TM.
Zero was more fun because it felt like a big tournament anime in which every "player" was given focus and stuff happened every episode.
UBW dedicates too much time to Shirou's irrelevant life and the irrelevant school people that do nothing but serve as hostages in Caster's plot. The show is also basically running in circles.
Okay. From Fate we have Shirou's discovery of the corpses, the ending scene with Saber, and Saber vs Rider is pretty good the first time. In UBW we have a lot of good scenes, pretty much everything with Archer, and the big fights with Shioru vs Archer and Shirou vs Gilgamesh. Berserker's death in UBW stands out to me to. That's just off the top of my head.
Thank you, jesus fuck. The teens on /a/ who have a hard-on for UBW make me depressed.
As it stands, since Fate and UBW exist, F/Z IS better than F/SN as a whole.
There's nothing to do there, it was created like that with three routes in mind, with something different happening in every route.
Nasu just fucked up asking Urobuchi to work on Zero. Everybody wanted a battle royale for the Holy Grail War, and that's what Zero did, sadly for Nasu.
I like both F/SN and Zero. I even played the VN before I heard of Zero because DEEN was shit, but even then I just resonated with Zero anime and LN more than I did with F/SN.
Zero is better because it's proper ensemble cast and the subplots are much better integrated with each other. The FSN format of making half of the cast irrelevant depending on the route works for a VN but not for a TV anime that is meant to give a full story and not a fragment of it and FSN routes are all incomplete fragments filled with filler.
Nasu himself hates secondaries
From the TM poll in 2012 and talking about Arcueid's place
>"Have you heard of Tsukihime? Once upon the time, it was extremely popular. Now it is active in the background".... The only people who haven't heard of this are probably the newbies. This is Type Moon's original heroine, Arcueid, at Number 5. This powerful one remained at Number 5 not because her potential is mediocre. For future activities of the pure-pure princess, please stay tuned.
T-Then maybe DEEN did the right thing but with a shit budget and the wrong ending...
Shirou's life is fucking irrelevant because it isn't interesting. I always hated UBW because it is the Shirou route that is all about sucking Shirou's cock. HF is about Sakura and the Matou backstory, Fate is about Saber, UBW isn't about Rin, it's about fucking Shirou.
Does it even surprise you that most people prefer Zero? Zero has an anime, which is both a good anime and a good adaptation. Meanwhile, Fate has a shitty 2006 anime and an adaptation of the SECOND route of the game. You don't want to recommend the 2006 anime, but it's not easy to convince someone to read a japanese novel that's almost 100 hours long (where 30 of those are cooking).
It's sad that Zero pretty much spoils the entire Fate series.
>I hate that people don't remember a game I haven't touched in a million years! By the way, the remake got delayed again.
At the very least Shiki gets 2. She should be #1 though.
>not the shittiest Tsukihime who has a massively inflated popularity by being the title character just like Seiba
Show me Nasu being a hipster for Sacchin and we'll talk.
>Shirou's life is fucking irrelevant because it isn't interesting.
That's not what the word "irrelevant" means.
You're saying that you don't like a character based focus on Shirou. This doesn't make it irrelevant, it just means you don't like what's happening. Pure opinion. Which is fine. But it doesn't mean that UBW is bad.
She came close in 2nd to Saber compared to 3rd and 4th.
>there's an actual fucking story happening
Too much of the story is just fucking around with Caster though. There's too many repeated encounters with her and they always end anticlimactically, just dragging out the route for no reason
Nasu's wrote to appeal to teenagers, and came up with fate as a teenager. Its no wonder its popular, it straddles that youthful power level discussion with fantasy and the obligatory cute girls.
Urobutcher writes for a more mature and morose audience and his work only got attention on /a/(besides saya no uta) because of the glorious combination of madoka.
Honestly if this guy is pissing off so many autists on this board just by existing he must be doing SOMETHING right
Honestly, I enjoyed Princess Waltz a lot more than F/SN.
I like F/SN, but PW was more fun to read. Maybe because it had more waifus and a silly card game.
Whats not to like?
She has multiple dimensions to her that makes her extremely appealing.
>By the way, the remake got delayed again.
Not once has the remake ever gotten delayed, Tsukihime fans are just the most bitchy TM fans you'll find.
He said "In the next ten years" upon announcing it, and he's still exactly within that deadline. Not once has he ever said anything remotely like "It'll be a bit longer, I'm setting it back".
He just gave the original deadline, and hasn't said much since then. Aside from in one recent diary entry.
>Zero will be the biggest disgrace to ever happen to TM.
Without Zero you would not have the UBW you're currently watching. Cry all you want but at least respect Zero from that point of view.
>shitposters claiming UBW doesn't have memorable scenes
What are all of the memorable scenes from the FIRST half of Zero, exactly? Kotomine beating up Iri and Maiya? Kiritsugu blowing up the building? What else?
>work my ass off on stay night
>get shitty anime by shitty studio
>get offer for movie
>"m-maybe they won't fuck up this time"
>movie is beyond fucked up
>ask hack friend with writer's block to work on something precious to me and try to cheer him up at the same time
>hack friend suddenly becomes more famous than me using ideas from what he wrote here
>people start to trash-talk my most beloved work on favor of the work I helped my friend to write when he wasn't able to write for shit
Best mom also.
>Without KnK you wouldn't have any Ufotable Fate
At least stick to the main reason why F/Z and F/SN happened
She's like a cute cat.
Nasu is a one trick pony who is only popular because of Saber.
>Make millions by writing a doujin visual novel
>Get an anime that's shit, but sells millions
>Write another VN with a lot more budget because I'm fucking rich now
>It sells tons of millions
>Milk the shit out of it
>Shitty adaptations sell like hotcakes
>Even if they ruined it, it's okay, the studio that adapted my really old novel will properly adapt 2/3 of it
>No matter what I do, I'll be rich and fans will read my stuff
I thought the first episode in its entirety was memorable. Sure it was mostly infodumping but I still found it interesting as the revolving POV made it seem like the chess pieces were getting set up for the bloody game to come.
Gilles de Rais killing the kid was memorable too, I actually thought he would serve as a foil to Ryuunosuke but he ended up surprising me by being an even worse person than Ryuunosuke.
Kerry shooting Kayneth with his Calico M950 was based.
Rider delivering the beatdown on Saber when they were talking about their meaning of being a King.
Those are what I remember the most from s1.
BUTCHER IS BESTO
NASU ONLY MAKES SABER GAMES FEATURING SABER FROM THE FATE SABER NIGHT SERIES
ANNO JUST BITCHES ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AND REHASHES EVA FOR THE FIFTH MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME
UROBUCHI MAKES SHIT
HE'S GOT MAGICAL GIRLS HE'S GOT DYSTOPIAN INSPECTORS HE'S GOT ROBOTS HE'S GOT PRINCESSES AND ASSASSINS
THE NIGGA MAKES THE BEST ANIME
HE MAKES THE BEST ANIME
AND YALL WEEBS CAN'T HANDLE IT
To tell you the truth, the only shit I remember about Zero's 1st cour is the Rin episode.
>Urobutcher writes for a more mature and morose audience
This is a niwaka thread for niwaka only
If you actually like moe or anything "too anime" please remove yourself from the premises post-haste
If you unironically enjoy the disgusting misogynistic haremshit that is FSN you should kill yourself even quicker!
Zero was nice because it focused on everyone. We got to see everyone's personalities and motives.
Here we have Rider dead without telling the audience who she even was. Saber barely mentioning the 4th War at all.
This really should have been made as a sequel to FZ rather than a straight adaptation of UBW.
Hmm I wouldn't be too sure. Nasu is really fucking creative. He comes up with all this shit out of nowhere, and the sheer absurdity of it all is ironically impressive. Butcher is ok at worldbuilding but that's usually because he builds his world around the plot, so he's a better writer from that perspective. Nasu just goes all out pouring as much creativity as he can. It's the reason there are so many spinoffs and extra works that are derived from his main works. It's truly a Nasu-"verse"
Why F/Z sucks:
1) Boring, wooden characters no one but the uncultured and easily satiated could be impressed by. They spout their lame philosophies, go on rants, do shit, suffer and/or die. One guy's entire existence is build around suffering. Maybe it works with Kirei but not for everyone else.
2) The characters are utterly retarded, doing stupid things like announcing who they are and what they can do in front of every one.
3) Most relationships are as hollow as the heart of the one consuming. Team Rider seems authentic. Team Caster is amusing enough. That said, it was annoying to focus on these annoying serial killers for so long and then begin chopping off heads.
4) Ridiculous scenes like the dogfight and Saber's chasing/race with Rider.
5) Badly placed flashback episodes.
6) Flashbacks for every Servant but Gil.
7) You could feel the stupid restrictions the VN had on it, like Kiritsugu not speaking a word to Saber.
8) Worthless episode dedicated to Rin. Barely any Sakura at all, even though she is the motivation for one of the Masters. If there was a little more focus on the relationship between Kariya and Sakura, he wouldn't have (unfortunately) come off as a revenge craved, jealous white knight. Also, where's Shinji?
9) Awful, awful rushed ending. Terrible final bout and nice pointlessly making Sakura look like a bitch. The final ep feels crammed.
>Rider instigating the confrontation at the docks
>Dialogue between kings
There were plenty.
Let's be honest. Other than nice fights, HF is shit. It just wastes time for more than half the route then remembers there's a story to tell and rushes it at the end. The only real contender against Zero is UBW.
i still dont understand Zero
>oh im gonna save people so i need to kill people
>shit he ded
>shit, had to kill daughter and wife
>gotta destroy grail coz its evil
>did the grail just became a lava
>oh shit many died at least dis boy survive
I believe this too. I like FSN story but it doesn't work as anime, it's boring as shit because they try to adapt it faithfully and that doesn't fucking worked. The route treatment can't be right on screen.
It needs a complete overhaul and rewriting in one single story by Nasu. Not what Deen did about sticking to Fate and copypasting some scenes of UBW and HF. A complete overhaul: route treatment isn't very good as anime.
Fate fans are the secondaries of visual novels. Please get over yourselves.
The word secondary is pretty efficient at getting secondary faggots mad
You can either stop being a subhuman secondary and read the source material, or fuck off
Trying to justify and being proud of your faggotry is not a valid choice
Zero is better than Stay Night because:
-More well rounded cast.
-Feels like a real battle royale.
-No teens, no romance, no high school, no SoL bullshit of any kind.
-Dark without being tryhard, like HF.
-Kiritsugu's conflict is better than Shirou's. In fact, he is in general.
-Moralfags and white knights get BTFO. Urobutcher portrayed matters the believable way.
Waver is really fucking simple. He grows as a person a good bit. Yeah, it's development, but it's way too basic to give him a medal.
Kireri doesn't count since his entire character was built in F/SN. Same with Saber.
I also said that Iri was developed.
There was SoL but it was treated as a breather and appeared briefly (Waver and Rider provided it mostly) which made it more meaningful than 20 minutes of high school routine shit nobody gives a fuck.
Also women are largely irrelevant. This isn't a strike against female characters or their attractiveness, but that they are generally boring and have no place in such a setting.
People on /a/ enjoyed the DEEN anime when it aired because it was just another 6/10 action series to them
Then the VN got translated and everyone pretended it couldn't be helped until they made that UBW movie and it was so shit that it was as if they had never improved since 2006
Is there a worse fanbase on /a/?
>Confirmed for not reading the VN and F/Z.
Nobody cares about this, anon. a) An anime isn't a fucking VN. b) They are judging the anime quality.
FSN problem is that VN can't be adapted treating them as route because it is awful on screen and bad for the characters. I agree that FSN VN > FZ LN. But FZ Anime >>>>>>>>> UBW Anime.
It's just boring and the characters are all over the place.
Nah, you make it sounds like foreigners didn't bias Urobuchi.
It's obviously people prefer Fate/Zero than Fate/stay night because they haven't truly experienced UBW and HF.
Also Archer, if you're willing to count him as another character.
I think the secondary cast is a lot stronger too. FSN Caster is better developed then Zero Caster, False Assassin is better developed then Zero Assassin, etc.
No, I enjoyed my highschool. I don't watch FSN to get high school experience. I would watch a SOL for that, I want heroic spirits battling not to hear what Shirou did in English class or how he and Rin had lunch together.
This thread has reminded me that Fatefags are the worst visual novel fanbase. It's a real feat when fans of the source material are worse than the animeonlyfags.
I like F/SN more than Zero so keep your "F-Fuck off secondary!" defences to yourself.
When Fate/Zero was airing everyone said it was boring as fuck (Fate/Zzz). Now that UBW is airing Fate/Zero was amazing and UBW is boring as fuck. Can't wait for HF to come out so that everyone can start praising UBW and hating on how boring HF was.
Nasu's original anime was a shitton more entertaining than Linebarrels of Iron
Madoka is all on Shinbo, if it were directed in a less obtuse way and also not aired in the middle of a disaster it would not have been nearly as memorable
>I like F/SN more than Zero so keep your "F-Fuck off secondary!" defences to yourself.
Waver's character isn't interesting though. He has some issues with esteem and wants to make his mark on the world, and he gets better at this. But, that's it. The dynamic he has with Rider is great, and it's fun to just have him there, but he isn't a greatly developed character who I know a lot about.
>Kerry is a man
This is the only relevant part of your post, he seems deeper because he's older and he wears cool trenchcoats and says cool things. Oh and he shoots guns and smokes, how cool is that?
>When Fate/Zero was airing everyone said it was boring as fuck (Fate/Zzz
One troll did, most were busy with Frodo = Kayneth meme spam and Kotomine's ass and HURR SABER IS A SHIT KING.
She died in a couple bad ends. And they were better than Tokiomi's death scene.
What Tsukihime anime?
There is no Tsukihime anime, There was no Dragonball live-action film, CoD ended after MW2 and there is no new Star Wars films, they would make prequels first.
He was approached by Kinoko Nasu and Takashi Takeuchi of Type-Moon with the offer to write a prequel to Fate/Stay Night. At that time, Urobuchi stated that he was going through a difficult period where he felt like he couldn't write the perfect ending. The offer gave him the chance to write a story where he would not have to worry about this. In the postface of the first Fate/Zero volume, he states that this opportunity probably saved his writing career.
UBW anime is already bad because it misuses the characters. Any anime based on a route that is supposed to tell 1/3 of the story would always be bad and incomplete.
It's just a fact. FZ is superior as anime because it told the whole overall story it was based on. Period.
UBW, HF and Fate needed an overhaul as one-thing by Nasu (a new story) in order to measure up. First thing to axe is the school, make Archer and Lancer blow it up, close it for repairs or something.
The school is the worst setting FSN have.
The thing that bothered me about F/SN is that saber was so different. She didn't act tough or strong, and that's what I liked about her in F/Z. A strong female lead, I thought that was pretty cool but then in F/SN shirou is like "Oh no you're a female so I have to protect you" and she pretty much sat on the side.
Because this thread is full of chuuni highschool babies and delusional neckbears living under the floorboards of a stranger's house in some 3rd world shithole
The only reason I even tolerate Stay/Night is because I liked Zero so much, and because Saber, Rin, and Taiga are cute.
As an actual cohesive story, Stay/Night fails mainly because of the medium it originated in: A visual novel that needed to be and eroge to sell. It spends so much time trying to entice you with SoL escapism, CGDCT, and H-scenes that anything else it tries to do as a work of literature is squandered.
You'd ignore Rin? Fucking seriously?
Ilya is maybe forgivable if you somehow blacked out throughout HF, but fucking Rin?
Also, Archer gave up his life to save Shirou in two different routes, what more do you want from the guy.
I like F/SN more than Zero but I don't automatically think anyone who thinks the opposite is Hitler. They're different types of story, so they will appeal to different people. They both have good and bad aspects. Yes, some fans of Zero are obnoxious "muh dark and gritty adult characters" faggots, but the Stay Night fanbase isn't exactly free of faggots either. And of course there's trolls and reverse trolls on both sides, who people seem pathologically incapable of ignoring. Y'all need to chill out.
>Zero will be the biggest disgrace
at least for once japs know whats fucking better
I take grim dark show with adults in main roles versus romkom pretentious (muh saber muh rin muh sakura muhhhh shirou) school harem
zero was solid and godly directed
UBW is going to have a bunch of anime original shit though so it makes it more "complete" for retards like you. Not everything has to be standalone there's also HF being animated to complete it.
what if source material is actually shit and you blinded by fandom?
what do you say, huh?
>Any anime based on a route that is supposed to tell 1/3 of the story would always be bad and incomplete.
What, that's retarded. Just because something isn't the full story doesn't mean it's bad, it just means you have to read the rest of the story to fully appreciate it. There's nothing wrong with that. Think of it as a sequel (to Fate).
I can identify myself as an HFag now thanks anon!
But that bait does have some truth in it anyways.
Most of the posters from BL like HF and they now a fuckton about fate.
Also i can cook.
>Shirou tracing Avalon.
Did you even read the Fate Route? Shirou gave Saber back Avalon at the end. Shirou traced Avalon to get out of Grail prison. However yes how he traced Avalon at the bridge scene was bullshit and I know it.
Babbies getting upset people prefer something else to the original or source material. They cling their mediocre chuunige because they have no access to a good VN like Muramasa.
>and she pretty much sat on the side
What the fuck were you reading? Shirou only enters damsel in distress hero mode in Fate because she jobs the first couple times he sees her in action. Berserk makes her spine look like dental floss
The original source material is shit.
The reason we have "secondaries" now is because you had to be so autistic and pathetic to derive pleasure from the original source material that the fanbase could only exist of retards.
Then Fate/Zero came along, fixed many of Fate Stay/Night's problems and showed the proper way to do a Holy Grail War, so that rational decent human beings could enjoy the story.
Zero's first cour was pretty shit, they're just comparing UBW to its entirety and the few great episodes in the 2nd cour because japs are addicted to the urobuchi dick.
It's been slow so far but they'll be eating it up and praising it around spring when things heat up.
I don't know man, being a housewife for Sakura and Rider sounds pretty perfect to me.
>better than Shirou
Fuck off with your shit taste, the rest of you primaries can fuck off back to Gaia as well and take the secondaries with you fucking shit taste mother fuckers
Putting aside the quality of the VNs, I don't think Fate/Zero stands on its own very well. It has too many open plot threads that are left open because Fate/Stay Night deals with them. The series and the novels that spawned them are a prequel that is designed as one; it expects you to have knowledge of the universe and, to some degree, knowledge of what happens in Fate/Stay Night. I don't consider it a good entry point even if it's better than the original work (largely because Nasu is an inferior writer to Urobuchi).
The trolls are out of control, please nuke this thread.
Are you guys absolutely sure that Type Moon is good?
I watched Zero (granted it was before S/N because I'm a pleb and hadn't heard of it) and found it to be very dull and somehow not very well explained despite the fact that almost half of the show was an info dump.
I've lurked in S/N threads since they're fucking everywhere and from what I gather it really does read like waifu/power level laden fanfiction.
I watched the first part of KnK and was bored out of my mind watching some characterless woman who I was given zero information about meander through an hour of no plot and too much pretentious metaphor.
How is it that none of Type Moon's series are even remotely entertaining to me? It seems more like I'm being assaulted with tangled, unorganized plot points and ideas than being presented a cohesive, living breathing story.
Fate Zero is the best type moon property because it doesn't decide to get brought down by anime character tropes which other type moon works have (tsundere, brother complex borderlining on incest, loli, harem-esque settings, etc...).
>wish device is destroyed by a sword explosion
>an explosion happens and fire is everywhere
Holy fuck I think I just created a whole new ending! This is sarcasm you fucking retarded faggot
Shirou may be more powerful but he's boring to me. I'd take edgy Lord El-Melloi II over him anyday.
Pictured : A Servant who gets shat on by the entire Fate/Stay Night Servant crew besides assassin and a Servant that lost to 2 women and a ginger
Servants that are all talk belong in the garbage.
In terms of pacing, Fate route is a regular jog, UBW is a slow start that just starts sprinting mid way, HF is a god damn turtle who gets rocket boots in the last minute. Zero is perfect.
This is how primaries think and determine the basis for "good writing".
Alright somebody finally said it.
Thread's over everybody go home.
The problem is that we are 10 episodes in.
And people keep talking about Zero, that "disscusion" should have been over before episode 5.
Now you can't disscus shit without some anon who yells "ZERO IS BETTER"then everyone proceeds to act like retards taking the bait.
I didn't read Zero, and I couldn't care less.
But I'm missing more Rin and Shirou interaction in UBW, like in the school roof in the VN when Rin gets mad and Shirou says "So, you're back to normal then? Great, it's not the same if you aren't like that."
You can see a glimpse of what Shirou likes about Rin and how he teases her with other stuff.
FUCKING HELL UFOTABLE.
Waver's character arc is shit as well and is unnecessary to Zero. It adds nothing.
He was basically just there so Alexander had someone to talk to.
>Using a Touhou reaction image
I bet you haven't even played the games.
Who said we're talking about Anime?
F/Z anime was shit and if you want to have some credibility you have to be talking about the LN.
>Fucking SHIROU is a better master than Waver.
Shirou only survived till the end of every route because plot armor
>says worst Shiki
>posts 3rd best Shiki
Let me show you the true best Shiki.
I know that Nasu saved Urobuchi's writing career, and I have no doubt that without him I never would've heard of Gen in the first place. But when it comes down to the quality of the actual writing I'm sorry, but Urobuchi is better.
>muh sacred vn I plaed when 15
Type Moonies think they are floating above the rest of us. Fucking Christ.
Both Shirou and Waver could not provide adequate mana for their Servants.
Waver can do NOTHING to assist Alexander, while Shirou is always able to do SOMETHING in all of his routes.
Cry plot armor all you want, but Shirou still is more useful than Waver. I mean fuck : Luck is an actual stat for Servants.
Are you comparing a bunch of obnoxious faggots to a bunch of retards who arrange orgies just because of a fucking chapter?
Zero (the anime, I haven't read the book) is better because Urobuchi is a better screen writer. Nasu crafts intriguing worlds, but as writer he tends to drag shit on forever while clumsily explaining his concepts.
I find UBW and HF are better but only because they complement each other, hence why they're both being adapted.
Zero is better as a standalone, I agree, but that doesn't make it better than the whole of F/SN.
>4chan obsesses over Tsukihime and F/SN's release
So you are judging a Franchise by the things you read in the threads here and you expect to get the appeal of KnK and all the character background on the first film, that had around 40 mins. Is that it? Sounds like the problem is on your end, man
I'll take "IT WAS HUMANS ALL ALONG" for 200
Fuck you Urobuchifags, you're the reason that piece of shit Gargantia is polluting Super Robot Wars Z3.2 rather than something actually good.
If we are talking about the anime as standalone, then yes, Zero is better, you have to be blind to not see that.
F/SN just doesn't work that good as an anime, there's a bunch of shit people are not going to understand if they didn't read the VN and to be honest, it's getting repetitive.
>Reminder that the VN is massively diminishing returns
Dude what, each route is better than the last. HF builds up on what happened in fate and UBW and is objectively the best route (even if it has the worst girl)
The etymology of "Secondaries" comes from the superior ability of these individuals to delay gratification, and thus receive two marshmallows. This ability highly correlates with success, education, health and weight control. In this context, it refers to their ability to wait for a superior release in a superior medium (anime).
>In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards if they waited for a short period: approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester leave the room and then return. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes, as measured by SAT scores, educational attainment, body mass index (BMI), and other life measures.
It is not surprising at all that bitter "primaries" who are often unintelligent, overweight, and unsuccessful at life, would attempt to turn it into a pejorative, following in the model of "normalfag"
I'm not ignorant or trolling, why don't you go and look at the fucking staff. Butcher is only credited as original creator.
I want secondaries of both sides of the pond to kindly fuck off.
Japanese secondaries even more-so, as there is really no excuse for them not reading the VN yet. It's been re-released about fifty fucking times for them and they don't have to deal with terrible translations/fan patching. Literally zero excuse to be a secondary scum.
Everything about VNs is made to cause
1. People to get the ultimate amount of pandering, even moreso than would be possible with any other medium
2. To get people to argue like autists online about routes and metacanon and POWERLEVELS
The CYOA nature of the routes, and the fact that canon is vague and undefined and "all true so take your pick" make them the veritable `harem ending` of medium.
This medium is designed for braindamaged otaku who have developed such a tolerance to their fanservice drug they need maximum doses of self insertion.
Fate/stay night, fantasy schlock for children is ten years old and you miserable failing clods still talk about it.
Because now the threads consist of people that read the VN calling each other secondaries. I love almost everything of typemoon, but the current Fate fanbase on /a/ is cancer.
Nips having shit taste and just eating up garbage based solely on the writer is nothing new, it's just like how women go see awful movies simply because a particular star is in them.
Granted, Heaven's Feel > Zero > UBW > Fate, of course. However, most of the secondaries are naturally going to say that Zero is better because the best parts of UBW haven't happened yet. There will be a lot of people that change opinions by the end.
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90% of the "concept" might come from Type-Moon, but that's very different from the execution. Urobuchi did not write the novels based on any fixed outline or even a summary of major events. Instead he created most of the actual story himself based on the rough boundaries of what the story would have to be about. Nasu acknowledges him as a very good writer, which is why they wanted him to do Fate/Zero in the first place. It would be pointless if all he contributed was rewriting something which already existed.
No one disputes that Nasu has very good ideas. He's an idea man. But his actual writing and execution for stories is pretty horrid. The way he develops characters and the dialogue he writes is generally pure trash. His scenarios are also bogged down with shitty crap which doesn't make the best use of the good general ideas.
This is why Fate/Zero is not considered purely a Type-Moon work. Because it is written by a writer who actually knows how to use the good ideas well, and craft a compelling story with good characters in it.
Your opinion about whether F/SN or F/Z is better is irrelevant, all one needs to know to discern your taste is how you feel about Carnival Phantasm.
Stop being so cynical. There was a critical point where you would actually talk about things in the series to just mindlessly hating on this series you love so much like retarded children.
>Someone posted the rankings of sales of VNs
>FSN didn't sell so hot
What sort of retarded backwards sales chart was posted? FSN is one of the best selling eroge out there and was the best selling VN the year it was released, surpassing even Clannad in sales. Even RN sold a ton for a visual novel.
>people actually like Deermud when he's whining about how knights should act when he NTR'd his own leader
>You don't get fun moments like that with Cu
You surely haven't read the VN, let alone F/HA.
That's all wrong though. Rider is only one up for debate because he is pretty much the only decent servant introduced on Zero. But that's only if you are into assertive personality types
>- Best Caster
I would have thought zerofag would appreciate the competence of 5th war Caster.
>Territory Creation ontop of a leyline zone and setup a strong boundary field around it
>Summoning a servant to block the entrance
>Buffing Master to fight with you
>Draining life energy from randoms without causing alarm to outside organizations like the church or having everybody gang up on your shit
Compare to 4th war caster.
>Territory Creation inside a shit pit that offered no advantage except hiding
>Killed his victims for mana, causing great alarm from literally everybody
>Summon a bloody sea abomination in the middle of the goddamn city after everybody already has their crosshair on him
I always see zerofags complain about lack of competence from 5th war teams, but they like to focus squarely on Shirou and ignore everything else. It's annoying.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HUGE PROBLEMS FROM HERE ON OUT. YOU HUGE FAGGOT. I can't argue since we obviously both have different tastes, but if you believe Diarmuid is a better character, me and you aren't going to get along, because that's a clear mark of SHIT TASTE.
Honestly "secondaries" are a boogieman in the same way that Gaia was the boogieman for /a/ a few years back. Even if someone didn't read the VN, there's absolutely no way he wouldn't have been spoiled if he stayed on /a/ for more than one day.
And all of the threads supposedly made by "secondaries" are just a bunch of fags trying to bait responses.
You're comparing Irelands greatest hero Cu to a faggot kid who got cursed by a fairy who NTR'd his leader.
>Cu went around beating people with his chariot and soloing armies
>Diarmund cried over his knighthood ruined and ran away
I used to love Type Moon. I'll say: It all went to shit after Type Moon Fes.
The Einzbern Consultation Room was the BEST thing to come out of Fate/Zero.
Im getting tired of FSN fanbase, no one here like your shitty chunni eroge.
That's like telling Game of Thrones fags to leave /tv/ and go to /lit/, since /lit/ has read more than one book they can see how shit ASOAF is and they don't want them there. Likewise, /jp/ see fatefags as normalfag scum.
ACE COMBAT ZERO IS SUPERIOR TO BOTH FATE/ZERO OR FATE STAY/NIGHT
The opinion, even if it's right, must be stamped down if indeed it was shared by normalfags. Dissent and isolationism keeps /a/ from turning into places like /v/.
It will die eventually but until then the autism must stay less it goes away.
Well first off the TM fanbase has always been autismal and terrible. Secondaly I'm not sure what you were expecting considering everyone knows Japan has terrible taste in anime adaptions.
Best show of its kind; sets up completely new standards. I liked Fate/Stay Night (the game that is), but Nasu was always better at creating setting than actual plot. Here I got his setting, plus great plot written by somebody obviously more talented at that.
Zero was more fun, but even that was pretty bad. I swear, the people that like this shit are only in it because it was their first real anime, then their first VN. Get out of here with your nostalgia, it's just not a good series.
Do we even need to bring up the writing during the h-scenes?
I fundamentally agree but it's fairly well known that your work has to feature characters that resemble your target demographic (or at least what appeals to said demographic), so anime will forever be stuck in it's teens.
I'd say the F/SN anime is easily a 7/10 standalone - it's the movie that was completely horrible even as fanservice.
They aren't boogeymen though. F/Z fags are the worst thing to happen to F/SN in years. Yes, I'm saying it's even worse than wormslutfags actually taking their meme seriously.
But Arcueid isn't Arcueid withou... wait, huh?
>normal people hate FSN because of how shit it is compared to a non-insertfagging anime
>insertfagging faggots angry that normal people hate their insertfagging anime/VN/show
Why am I not surprised?
>Fate/stay night (2004)
How can such a series have enough interest for people to stir up hate on which is better when they are two sides of the exact same fucking thing.
>FSN didn't sell so hot
>it just go rereleased and ported a million times
Can we talk about the real best MC who shits on both Shirou and Kerry?
Fate/waifu war fans, everybody.
5th war master did more shit than most of their 4th war counterparts. In the 4th war Kirei and Kerry were going easy mode in master vs masters fights. Shirou, Kuzuki, Rin, Sakura (manjew infected), older Kirei all fought servants at some point