>http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog -entry-28931.html Ja

Casuals are the same no matter where you go

It's not just Japanese casuals. Filthy secondaries everywhere do.

>>118445651
But Zero is superior.

>>118445651
>FateZEROとFateUBW比べたら虚淵の方が面白いよね
>それは認めざるを得ない

Really Japan... fucking really. Zero is more interesting just because Urobuchi wrote it?

Now I get why they liked that shitty movie by Urobuchi, they'd just buy every shit that he writes.

Zero is superior because it's not high school harem shit. FSN is just too generic.

>>118445726
I think one must be mentally challenged like Zero and don't like stay night, because otherwise you just don't understand shit.

>>118445726
It's got worse characters, worse plot, and less cohesive themes.

The only way it's better is that maybe the average fight scene is better. Even then the best scenes are still in F/SN.

Let's be honest here: Urobuchi has always been a much better writer than Nasu. Nobody can disagree with that.

>>118445762
It's thanks to Madoka, he was semi famous with Saya no Uta but Madoka just made him huge.

TOHSAKA RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

Fateshit is only popular because of Urobuchi, it practically tailcoated on his success after Urobuchi made the most popular anime of the past 10 years

lel weebs are mad as fuck their jap overlord is against their tastes

>>118445786
Buzzwords: the Imitation of an Opinion.

>>118445838
Yeah cause diarrhea is so much better than constipation. Newsflash; they're both equally shit.

>>118445838
And yet Nasu helped him letting him handle the prequel when he was on a creative block.

>>118445828
F/SN only has a few memorable scenes in HF. Fate and UBW are completely boring.

>Fatefags calling anyone or anything casual
You can't make this shit up

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While I think that Urobrochi is really overrated and that Fate/Stay Night is better than Zero, I still really enjoyed Zero.

Come at me.

>>118445651
>yaraon
OP, have you heard of the phrase, 'tongue-in-cheek'?

>>118445927
I don't think anyone dislikes Zero, people dislike zerofans

>>118445927
Both are good, stay night being superior. But believe that Zero is better just because it says Urobuchi on it... it's fucking retarded, just like the japs.

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>>118445921
You could have stopped it

>>118445979
>caring about other people's opinion
truly the worst kind of cuck

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>Zero will be the biggest disgrace to ever happen to TM.
Oh really?

>>118445838
Urobuchi wrote 1 good VN
Nasu wrote 2

So yeah actually I can disagree with that

Zero was more fun because it felt like a big tournament anime in which every "player" was given focus and stuff happened every episode.
UBW dedicates too much time to Shirou's irrelevant life and the irrelevant school people that do nothing but serve as hostages in Caster's plot. The show is also basically running in circles.

>>118445920
Okay. From Fate we have Shirou's discovery of the corpses, the ending scene with Saber, and Saber vs Rider is pretty good the first time. In UBW we have a lot of good scenes, pretty much everything with Archer, and the big fights with Shioru vs Archer and Shirou vs Gilgamesh. Berserker's death in UBW stands out to me to. That's just off the top of my head.

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>>118445920
Thank you, jesus fuck. The teens on /a/ who have a hard-on for UBW make me depressed.

As it stands, since Fate and UBW exist, F/Z IS better than F/SN as a whole.

>>118446022
How did you get that screenshot?

>>118445651
>less asspulls
>less rock paper scissors
>better PoV
FSN is full of waifu faggotry and stupid shit like 'muh swords' and 'muh fighting style'

>>118446022
Reminder that the Tsukihime anime is actually pretty good.

>>118446029
It's because instead of it just being a battle royal there's an actual fucking story happening. Shirou's life isn't irrelevant, it's the fucking focus.

>>118446029
There's nothing to do there, it was created like that with three routes in mind, with something different happening in every route.

Nasu just fucked up asking Urobuchi to work on Zero. Everybody wanted a battle royale for the Holy Grail War, and that's what Zero did, sadly for Nasu.

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I like both F/SN and Zero. I even played the VN before I heard of Zero because DEEN was shit, but even then I just resonated with Zero anime and LN more than I did with F/SN.

>>118446022
Nice fanart faggot

>>118445987
Zero is better because it's proper ensemble cast and the subplots are much better integrated with each other. The FSN format of making half of the cast irrelevant depending on the route works for a VN but not for a TV anime that is meant to give a full story and not a fragment of it and FSN routes are all incomplete fragments filled with filler.

>>118446018
Back to /pol/ with you

Nasu himself hates secondaries

From the TM poll in 2012 and talking about Arcueid's place

>"Have you heard of Tsukihime? Once upon the time, it was extremely popular. Now it is active in the background".... The only people who haven't heard of this are probably the newbies. This is Type Moon's original heroine, Arcueid, at Number 5. This powerful one remained at Number 5 not because her potential is mediocre. For future activities of the pure-pure princess, please stay tuned.

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>>118446125
T-Then maybe DEEN did the right thing but with a shit budget and the wrong ending...

>>118446094
Shirou's life is fucking irrelevant because it isn't interesting. I always hated UBW because it is the Shirou route that is all about sucking Shirou's cock. HF is about Sakura and the Matou backstory, Fate is about Saber, UBW isn't about Rin, it's about fucking Shirou.

Does it even surprise you that most people prefer Zero? Zero has an anime, which is both a good anime and a good adaptation. Meanwhile, Fate has a shitty 2006 anime and an adaptation of the SECOND route of the game. You don't want to recommend the 2006 anime, but it's not easy to convince someone to read a japanese novel that's almost 100 hours long (where 30 of those are cooking).

It's sad that Zero pretty much spoils the entire Fate series.

>>118446147
>I hate that people don't remember a game I haven't touched in a million years! By the way, the remake got delayed again.
Fucking Nasu.

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>>118446147
At the very least Shiki gets 2. She should be #1 though.

>>118446147
>Arcueid
>not the shittiest Tsukihime who has a massively inflated popularity by being the title character just like Seiba
Show me Nasu being a hipster for Sacchin and we'll talk.

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>>118446222
the trips confirm your good taste

>>118446189
Whole game is about Shirou. I have no idea how you didn't get that.

>>118446189
>Shirou's life is fucking irrelevant because it isn't interesting.
That's not what the word "irrelevant" means.
You're saying that you don't like a character based focus on Shirou. This doesn't make it irrelevant, it just means you don't like what's happening. Pure opinion. Which is fine. But it doesn't mean that UBW is bad.

>>118446029
That's 1/3 of F/SN and it's not like all the master/servants on Zero were doing much shit. In the end only a few of them were worth their screentime

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>>118446222
She came close in 2nd to Saber compared to 3rd and 4th.

>>118446222
I cannot understand what people like about Shiki

>>118446094
>there's an actual fucking story happening
Too much of the story is just fucking around with Caster though. There's too many repeated encounters with her and they always end anticlimactically, just dragging out the route for no reason

It is, though. I don't see the issue here.

>>118445920
The VN in general only has a few memorable moments.

>>118445838
Nasu's wrote to appeal to teenagers, and came up with fate as a teenager. Its no wonder its popular, it straddles that youthful power level discussion with fantasy and the obligatory cute girls.
Urobutcher writes for a more mature and morose audience and his work only got attention on /a/(besides saya no uta) because of the glorious combination of madoka.

>>118446293
That just shows how great she is. Saber was and is still pandered way more than Shiki and she barely beats her.

>>118446039
> Berserker's death in UBW stands out to me to.
I like his death in HF better. I mean just in that route it was relevant

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Honestly if this guy is pissing off so many autists on this board just by existing he must be doing SOMETHING right

>>118446293
Man, Shiki is such a fine and modest lady.

>>118446189
All routes are about Shirou, even the one you like

>>118446391
truly ebin post rite here :^)

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Honestly, I enjoyed Princess Waltz a lot more than F/SN.

I like F/SN, but PW was more fun to read. Maybe because it had more waifus and a silly card game.

>>118446353
Saber getting her shit pushed in, Taiga's life being threatened, Saber being stolen, Archer defecting, and the final conflict are all anti-climatic?

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>>118446334
Whats not to like?

She has multiple dimensions to her that makes her extremely appealing.

>>118446217
>By the way, the remake got delayed again.

Not once has the remake ever gotten delayed, Tsukihime fans are just the most bitchy TM fans you'll find.

He said "In the next ten years" upon announcing it, and he's still exactly within that deadline. Not once has he ever said anything remotely like "It'll be a bit longer, I'm setting it back".

He just gave the original deadline, and hasn't said much since then. Aside from in one recent diary entry.

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>>118445651
>Zero will be the biggest disgrace to ever happen to TM.

Without Zero you would not have the UBW you're currently watching. Cry all you want but at least respect Zero from that point of view.

It's funny because nasu had butcher on a leash to avoid him ruining the canon storyline. So technically butcher added nothing to Zero other than a couple of shitty ideas.

>>118445872
OHOHOHOHOHOHO

Caster Arc is running around in circles.

>shitposters claiming UBW doesn't have memorable scenes

What are all of the memorable scenes from the FIRST half of Zero, exactly? Kotomine beating up Iri and Maiya? Kiritsugu blowing up the building? What else?

Why do people dislike Urobuchi? He's pretty solid. Akane, Sayaka, and Shogo are my favorite characters

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>be Nasu
>work my ass off on stay night
>get shitty anime by shitty studio
>get offer for movie
>"m-maybe they won't fuck up this time"
>movie is beyond fucked up
>ask hack friend with writer's block to work on something precious to me and try to cheer him up at the same time
>hack friend suddenly becomes more famous than me using ideas from what he wrote here
>people start to trash-talk my most beloved work on favor of the work I helped my friend to write when he wasn't able to write for shit
>mfw

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>>118446399
Best mom also.

>>118446445
>Without KnK you wouldn't have any Ufotable Fate

At least stick to the main reason why F/Z and F/SN happened

>>118445651
zero is better, it actually takes itself seriously instead of being a harem.

>>118446482
Rin's big adventure

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>>118446334
She's like a cute cat.

>>118446417
Or maybe because you're a weebscum from /vg/

>>118446445
You mean Kara no Kyoukai, fucking faggot. Even Prisma Illya is better than Zero, but sadly it wasn't written by the holy hand of urobushit.

>>118446425
Other than Shirou learning Trace On and Archer being stupidly unlikeable.

Nasu's strong point is world building.
Urobuchi i don't know maybe interesting characters? he likes to kill people too.

>>118446445
More like if we didn't get Fate/Zero we might have gotten a real Tsukihime anime instead to follow up KnK

>>118446056
I feel ashamed for liking the same route as a pretentious faggot like you.

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Nasu is a one trick pony who is only popular because of Saber.

>>118446561
Butcher is stronger at worldbuilding than him

Yoshino is the strongest

>>118445651

Zero is superior. FSN is a guilty pleasure.

>>118446492
More like
>Be Nasu
>Make millions by writing a doujin visual novel
>Get an anime that's shit, but sells millions
>Write another VN with a lot more budget because I'm fucking rich now
>It sells tons of millions
>Milk the shit out of it
>Shitty adaptations sell like hotcakes
>Even if they ruined it, it's okay, the studio that adapted my really old novel will properly adapt 2/3 of it
>No matter what I do, I'll be rich and fans will read my stuff

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>>118445786
This.

>>118446561
Strange that the characters in Zero are way worse then the ones in F/SN, then.

>>118446482
I thought the first episode in its entirety was memorable. Sure it was mostly infodumping but I still found it interesting as the revolving POV made it seem like the chess pieces were getting set up for the bloody game to come.

Gilles de Rais killing the kid was memorable too, I actually thought he would serve as a foil to Ryuunosuke but he ended up surprising me by being an even worse person than Ryuunosuke.

Kerry shooting Kayneth with his Calico M950 was based.

Rider delivering the beatdown on Saber when they were talking about their meaning of being a King.

Those are what I remember the most from s1.

>>118446618
>fans will read my stuff
But that's the whole point, people will not watch/read Fate stuff because it's not Urobuchi.

BUTCHER IS BESTO

NASU ONLY MAKES SABER GAMES FEATURING SABER FROM THE FATE SABER NIGHT SERIES

ANNO JUST BITCHES ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AND REHASHES EVA FOR THE FIFTH MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME

UROBUCHI MAKES SHIT

HE'S GOT MAGICAL GIRLS HE'S GOT DYSTOPIAN INSPECTORS HE'S GOT ROBOTS HE'S GOT PRINCESSES AND ASSASSINS

THE NIGGA MAKES THE BEST ANIME

HE MAKES THE BEST ANIME

AND YALL WEEBS CAN'T HANDLE IT

>>118446544
>Prisma being better
Prisma was fun, that's about it

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Zero>Fate>UBW>HF>Ataraxia

>>118446544
fair enough, I like KnK more anyways. Its success was able to put TM in the spotlight.

>>118446662
BANZAI BANZAI BANZAI

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>>118446482
To tell you the truth, the only shit I remember about Zero's 1st cour is the Rin episode.

>>118446459
The Battle Royale idea was thought by the Butcher

>>118446685
>Zero>
Secondary detected

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>>118446376
>Urobutcher writes for a more mature and morose audience

>>118446685
>UBW>HF>>>>>Zero>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fate

ftfy

didnt read ataraxia yet

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This is a niwaka thread for niwaka only

If you actually like moe or anything "too anime" please remove yourself from the premises post-haste

If you unironically enjoy the disgusting misogynistic haremshit that is FSN you should kill yourself even quicker!

Zero was nice because it focused on everyone. We got to see everyone's personalities and motives.

Here we have Rider dead without telling the audience who she even was. Saber barely mentioning the 4th War at all.

This really should have been made as a sequel to FZ rather than a straight adaptation of UBW.

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>>118446727

>>118446585
Hmm I wouldn't be too sure. Nasu is really fucking creative. He comes up with all this shit out of nowhere, and the sheer absurdity of it all is ironically impressive. Butcher is ok at worldbuilding but that's usually because he builds his world around the plot, so he's a better writer from that perspective. Nasu just goes all out pouring as much creativity as he can. It's the reason there are so many spinoffs and extra works that are derived from his main works. It's truly a Nasu-"verse"

How does KT compare to HA?

>>118446711
Your mum was thought by the Butcher

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>>118446525
>>118446709
Haha this.

Why F/Z sucks:

1) Boring, wooden characters no one but the uncultured and easily satiated could be impressed by. They spout their lame philosophies, go on rants, do shit, suffer and/or die. One guy's entire existence is build around suffering. Maybe it works with Kirei but not for everyone else.

2) The characters are utterly retarded, doing stupid things like announcing who they are and what they can do in front of every one.

3) Most relationships are as hollow as the heart of the one consuming. Team Rider seems authentic. Team Caster is amusing enough. That said, it was annoying to focus on these annoying serial killers for so long and then begin chopping off heads.

4) Ridiculous scenes like the dogfight and Saber's chasing/race with Rider.

5) Badly placed flashback episodes.

6) Flashbacks for every Servant but Gil.

7) You could feel the stupid restrictions the VN had on it, like Kiritsugu not speaking a word to Saber.

8) Worthless episode dedicated to Rin. Barely any Sakura at all, even though she is the motivation for one of the Masters. If there was a little more focus on the relationship between Kariya and Sakura, he wouldn't have (unfortunately) come off as a revenge craved, jealous white knight. Also, where's Shinji?

9) Awful, awful rushed ending. Terrible final bout and nice pointlessly making Sakura look like a bitch. The final ep feels crammed.

If I were mod, I'd ban every Zero casual secondary fucker in this goddamn board.

>>118446638
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>118446746
>Baiting
Leave
>Stupid
Leave.

Those are your options.

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>>118446482
>Rider instigating the confrontation at the docks
>Caster's summoning
>Dialogue between kings

There were plenty.

>>118446638
Except they're not, come characters in FSN needed 2 games just to get development

>>118446618
>Make millions by writing a doujin visual novel

Actually FSN And Tsuki aren't that popular as VNs.

>>118446748
>Here we have Rider dead without telling the audience who she even was.
Yeah was hoping they would change that.

>>118446785
>muh secondaries

Do people really feel superior for reading the Naruto of VNs?

>>118445726
It's literally nothing.

Casuals also believe breathing is good.

This is a pointless discussion.

>>118446745
Let's be honest. Other than nice fights, HF is shit. It just wastes time for more than half the route then remembers there's a story to tell and rushes it at the end. The only real contender against Zero is UBW.

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>>118446800
>/pol/ was right

>>118446429
>implying she isn't a Mary Sue

>>118446813
It applies to everything, not just Fate.

>>118446796
No.
Iri and Kiritsugu are the only characters who are actually developed in Zero. Everyone else is really fucking shallow.

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>bait thread about a shitty VN

>>118446824
>he does it because it is the only amount of power & superiority he will ever have in his pathetic life

>>118445651
i still dont understand Zero
its like
>oh im gonna save people so i need to kill people
>shit he ded
>gotta smoke
>muh ideals
>muh chivalry
>suffering
>shit, had to kill daughter and wife
>gotta destroy grail coz its evil
>did the grail just became a lava
>bruh
>oh shit many died at least dis boy survive
>i died

>>118446813
>Actually FSN And Tsuki aren't that popular as VNs

Wait what? Then what are they popular as?

>>118446748

I believe this too. I like FSN story but it doesn't work as anime, it's boring as shit because they try to adapt it faithfully and that doesn't fucking worked. The route treatment can't be right on screen.

It needs a complete overhaul and rewriting in one single story by Nasu. Not what Deen did about sticking to Fate and copypasting some scenes of UBW and HF. A complete overhaul: route treatment isn't very good as anime.

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Fate fans are the secondaries of visual novels. Please get over yourselves.

>>118446837
Other the the nice fights it also has the most emotional moments, with Sakura in general and also Ilya.

The bits with Archer's arm are fantastic too.

>>118446746
That forced fang of hers is disgusting

Nips shit taste never change.

>>118446855
>Forgetting about Waver
>Forgetting about Kirei
>Iri had no development
Did you even Zero?

>>118446824

The word secondary is pretty efficient at getting secondary faggots mad

You can either stop being a subhuman secondary and read the source material, or fuck off
Trying to justify and being proud of your faggotry is not a valid choice

Zero is better than Stay Night because:
-More well rounded cast.
-Feels like a real battle royale.
-No teens, no romance, no high school, no SoL bullshit of any kind.
-Dark without being tryhard, like HF.
-Kiritsugu's conflict is better than Shirou's. In fact, he is in general.
-Moralfags and white knights get BTFO. Urobutcher portrayed matters the believable way.

>>118446799
This entire thread is bait you mongoloid

Or did you miss the yaraon part of OP's link?

>>118446767
It's better but confusing as fuck. Which I liked about it, F/HA didn't deliver as hard as KT.

>>118446884

Someone posted the rankings of sales of VNs.

FSN didn't sell so hot, it wasn't popular until DEEN anime.

>>118446930
What if i've read the source material and still consider Zero to be better?

And yes I read the VN before I watched zero.

>>118446928
Waver is really fucking simple. He grows as a person a good bit. Yeah, it's development, but it's way too basic to give him a medal.

Kireri doesn't count since his entire character was built in F/SN. Same with Saber.

I also said that Iri was developed.

>>118446147
>For future activities of the pure-pure princess, please stay tuned.

Why must he play with my heart so?

>>118446748
They probably didn't do anything with Rider because of the movie and to not change the source material.

>>118446975
Then you are a shit tasted newfag

>>118446884
Drama and suffering sells more, and Fate is fantasy-action.

>>118446942
>Kerry better than Shirou

secondary detected

>>118446618
Are you fucking serious?

>>118446022
I always find it funny how DEEN's anime was terrible and people give it shit, but they forget Tsukihime was so bad people would rather forget it happened.

>>118446942
>no romance
>Kiritsugu's conflict is better than Shirou's
Confirmed for not reading the VN and F/Z.

>>118446942

There was SoL but it was treated as a breather and appeared briefly (Waver and Rider provided it mostly) which made it more meaningful than 20 minutes of high school routine shit nobody gives a fuck.

>>118446975

Good, just stop sympathizing with secondary mongoloids

>>118446942
Also women are largely irrelevant. This isn't a strike against female characters or their attractiveness, but that they are generally boring and have no place in such a setting.

>>118445651
Who gives a shit. Tsukihime will always remain the only part of the franchise that's not shit.

>>118446855
And Shirou, Saber and Sakura are the only ones developed in F/SN. Can't see the difference

>>118447037
I guess your high school time is full with bullying if you hate FSN HS scenes.

>>118446942
HFags are fucking cancer.

>>118447001
I don't like it more by that much. I still adore them both.

>>118445979
I heavily disliked Zero, mainly due to how boring it was, the constant unneeded flashbacks, and inconsistent run times.

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>>118446989

>>118447024
People on /a/ enjoyed the DEEN anime when it aired because it was just another 6/10 action series to them

Then the VN got translated and everyone pretended it couldn't be helped until they made that UBW movie and it was so shit that it was as if they had never improved since 2006

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>this thread
>fatefags

Is there a worse fanbase on /a/?

>>118447027
>Confirmed for not reading the VN and F/Z.

Nobody cares about this, anon. a) An anime isn't a fucking VN. b) They are judging the anime quality.

FSN problem is that VN can't be adapted treating them as route because it is awful on screen and bad for the characters. I agree that FSN VN > FZ LN. But FZ Anime >>>>>>>>> UBW Anime.

It's just boring and the characters are all over the place.

>>118447052
Some people in that thread is saying "just give me the remake already".

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>>118445762
Nah, you make it sounds like foreigners didn't bias Urobuchi.
It's obviously people prefer Fate/Zero than Fate/stay night because they haven't truly experienced UBW and HF.

>>118446989
>It doesn't count because it is too simple
>It doesn't count because it is natural development
Yeah, nah.

>>118447053
Rin is developed throughout the whole VN too.

Urobuchi IS a better writer than Nasu, how can people even deny this?

>>118447048
I seriously hope you're not trying to imply that Tokiomi was more fun to watch than his daughter.

>>118447053
Rin, also.
Also Archer, if you're willing to count him as another character.
Also Ilya.
Also Kirei.
I think the secondary cast is a lot stronger too. FSN Caster is better developed then Zero Caster, False Assassin is better developed then Zero Assassin, etc.

>>118447060

No, I enjoyed my highschool. I don't watch FSN to get high school experience. I would watch a SOL for that, I want heroic spirits battling not to hear what Shirou did in English class or how he and Rin had lunch together.

>>118447102
Why must you spread negativity? Do you think coming into fate threads and letting us know that you don't like fate threads is solving anything?

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This thread has reminded me that Fatefags are the worst visual novel fanbase. It's a real feat when fans of the source material are worse than the animeonlyfags.

I like F/SN more than Zero so keep your "F-Fuck off secondary!" defences to yourself.

>>118447119
The magic (no pun intended) of stay night is in reading it as a whole, and that takes some time. Zero is entry level shit for animu kiddies.

>>118447102
Madoka and naruto, HxH on a bad day, and SnK.

>>118447137
Better at writing shit perhaps

>>118447011
>>118447027
He is more interesting than Shirou. Shirou is Naruto-level through and through; Kerry is a man with a dream grinding against reality. It is tragic.

>>118447137
Then why hasn't the butcher wrote anything interesting since Saya no Uta?

>>118447137
Because Nasu wrote KnK. Saya no Uta was laughable.

>>118447161
Fuck off secondary.

>>118447189
How is mister I Kill Just Because more interesting than Shirou?

>>118447161
stfu faggot

When Fate/Zero was airing everyone said it was boring as fuck (Fate/Zzz). Now that UBW is airing Fate/Zero was amazing and UBW is boring as fuck. Can't wait for HF to come out so that everyone can start praising UBW and hating on how boring HF was.

>>118447137
Rinfags are the only ones who believe Nasu is better. And MCfags.

>>118447141
It was fun watching him die. If only the daughter got the same treatment.

>>118447106
Your opinion is largely irrelevant based on the fact that the UBW anime has not ended yet.

>>118446748
Reminder that UBW is not a stand-alone story and should not be considered as such. It comes after Fate and it leads into HF.

>>118447137
Nasu's original anime was a shitton more entertaining than Linebarrels of Iron

Madoka is all on Shinbo, if it were directed in a less obtuse way and also not aired in the middle of a disaster it would not have been nearly as memorable

>>118447189
Confirmed for not reading HF and UBW.

What does Kerry have more than Shirou other than muh family

At least Shirou wants to be a HeroHokage

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>>118447161
>I like F/SN more than Zero so keep your "F-Fuck off secondary!" defences to yourself.

what

>>118447123
Waver's character isn't interesting though. He has some issues with esteem and wants to make his mark on the world, and he gets better at this. But, that's it. The dynamic he has with Rider is great, and it's fun to just have him there, but he isn't a greatly developed character who I know a lot about.

>>118447213
>I Kill Just Because
secondary pls

>>118447225
Edge.

>>118447189
>Kerry is a man
This is the only relevant part of your post, he seems deeper because he's older and he wears cool trenchcoats and says cool things. Oh and he shoots guns and smokes, how cool is that?

>>118447222

>When Fate/Zero was airing everyone said it was boring as fuck (Fate/Zzz

One troll did, most were busy with Frodo = Kayneth meme spam and Kotomine's ass and HURR SABER IS A SHIT KING.

>>118447199
>Then why hasn't the butcher wrote anything interesting since Saya no Uta?
What good story has Nasu written since Tsukihime other than Mujun Rasen?

>>118445651
Zero is better than F/SN though.

>>118447222
Now that UBW is airing /a/ is filled with netflix fags who think Madoka and F/Z (which probably has a by the same writer as footnote on it) are the second coming

>>118447137
How could you even say that when you have ZERO knowledged about their style?

Btw, how can some fucking middle-ages humans execute Archer in his flashback? I don't get it.

>>118447234
Both Naruto-level. Shirou did nothing Naruto wouldn't do.

ITT: A handful of very angry anons who can't handle other peoples opinions.

>>118447177
At least Naruto keeps it to one thread, /a/ is spammed with Fate.

>>118447277
>one troll was the only person who had the actual opinon, everyone else watching it was just a bunch of retarded memers
Sounds like every anime /a/ likes

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>>118447225
She died in a couple bad ends. And they were better than Tokiomi's death scene.

>>118447334
B A I T
A
I
T

>>118447024
What Tsukihime anime?
There is no Tsukihime anime, There was no Dragonball live-action film, CoD ended after MW2 and there is no new Star Wars films, they would make prequels first.

>>118447137
He was approached by Kinoko Nasu and Takashi Takeuchi of Type-Moon with the offer to write a prequel to Fate/Stay Night. At that time, Urobuchi stated that he was going through a difficult period where he felt like he couldn't write the perfect ending. The offer gave him the chance to write a story where he would not have to worry about this. In the postface of the first Fate/Zero volume, he states that this opportunity probably saved his writing career.

>>118447228

UBW anime is already bad because it misuses the characters. Any anime based on a route that is supposed to tell 1/3 of the story would always be bad and incomplete.

It's just a fact. FZ is superior as anime because it told the whole overall story it was based on. Period.

UBW, HF and Fate needed an overhaul as one-thing by Nasu (a new story) in order to measure up. First thing to axe is the school, make Archer and Lancer blow it up, close it for repairs or something.

The school is the worst setting FSN have.

>>118447189
>>118447308
>hurr Naruto
This isn't actually an argument in any sense. You have to give reasons why he's a bad character.

Am I remembering incorrectly when I think that watching Zero with /a/ was much, much more fun? Everyone seems so angry now.

>>118447372
nice meme

>>118447150
The only ones I would pick from the one you mentioned would be Kirei and Caster. Was about to pick Archer but he remained as an insufferable asshole through every route

>>118447286
DDD.

>>118447402

Watching UBW with /a/ is a lot of fun for me. Almost justifies the 4AM wakeup to watch it.

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>>118447268
My favorite of all time, what about him?

>>118447402
This was bound to happen since /a/ has somehow managed to get shittier than then

>>118447386
>The school is the worst setting FSN have.
Why?

>>118447402
It's definitely worse now. The secondary witch hunt is getting out of hand and it's more "us and them" then ever.

>>118447405
Do you say that when people make well-known jokes in real life too?

>>118447402
All of the people who got into the series because of F/Z are going overboard in trying to make it look like they aren't secondaries.

>>118447386
Fuck this, no need for a streamlined secondary friendly version for mature people like yourself

>>118447402
We only had DEEN before that. Now we have quality-comparable works, so we can only discuss about their story.

stay night is better

>>118446685
>thinking Fate is the best route
People like this exist? What's there to like about the Fate route?

>>118447276
Maybe that's the only thing you see in him. But that's because you are shallow, like most FSN fanboys. You choose Shirou because it's simple.

>>118447402
People outside of /a/ started liking Zero too, that's what happened.

>>118445651
The thing that bothered me about F/SN is that saber was so different. She didn't act tough or strong, and that's what I liked about her in F/Z. A strong female lead, I thought that was pretty cool but then in F/SN shirou is like "Oh no you're a female so I have to protect you" and she pretty much sat on the side.

>>118447440
Anon probably didn't go to school.

>>118447137
Because this thread is full of chuuni highschool babies and delusional neckbears living under the floorboards of a stranger's house in some 3rd world shithole

The only reason I even tolerate Stay/Night is because I liked Zero so much, and because Saber, Rin, and Taiga are cute.

As an actual cohesive story, Stay/Night fails mainly because of the medium it originated in: A visual novel that needed to be and eroge to sell. It spends so much time trying to entice you with SoL escapism, CGDCT, and H-scenes that anything else it tries to do as a work of literature is squandered.

>>118447475
No because I just laugh at the joke.

>>118447513
Gil not jobbing all the time but that's pratically it.

>>118447475

>real life

>>118447386
>the school is the worst setting
Assblasted retard who continuously watches gutter trash harem shows for the cute girls and wonders why anime is "so shit" detected

>>118447394
His character is about as good and as bad as Naruto is. Take that any way you like, it's a fact.

>>118447406
You'd ignore Rin? Fucking seriously?
Ilya is maybe forgivable if you somehow blacked out throughout HF, but fucking Rin?

Also, Archer gave up his life to save Shirou in two different routes, what more do you want from the guy.

At least when I read Zero I didn't doze off like I did several times in F/SN. Nasu has serious pacing problems and can't write SoL scenes if his life depended on it.

>>118447513
-Saber is better heroine than Rin. UBW is such a drag to read/watch in comparison.

Also the Avalon projection, best scene in the VN.

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>>118447591
Bait thread?

>>118447560
F/SN is no better.

>>118447406
He dies so Shirou can have a threesome, lends him his arm and even lets him win at sword swinging. What an asshole

>>118447534
Demo pls kill yourself

>>118447549
Instead he loses to the biggest asspull in the entire VN, Shirou tracing Avalon.

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I like F/SN more than Zero but I don't automatically think anyone who thinks the opposite is Hitler. They're different types of story, so they will appeal to different people. They both have good and bad aspects. Yes, some fans of Zero are obnoxious "muh dark and gritty adult characters" faggots, but the Stay Night fanbase isn't exactly free of faggots either. And of course there's trolls and reverse trolls on both sides, who people seem pathologically incapable of ignoring. Y'all need to chill out.

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>>118445651

>Zero will be the biggest disgrace

fuck you
at least for once japs know whats fucking better
I take grim dark show with adults in main roles versus romkom pretentious (muh saber muh rin muh sakura muhhhh shirou) school harem

zero was solid and godly directed
so yeah
fuck
you

>>118447386
UBW is going to have a bunch of anime original shit though so it makes it more "complete" for retards like you. Not everything has to be standalone there's also HF being animated to complete it.

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>>118446125
>ensemble cast
>better-integrated
>format
>irrelevant cast
>filler

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>>118445651
what if source material is actually shit and you blinded by fandom?
what do you say, huh?

>>118447386
>Any anime based on a route that is supposed to tell 1/3 of the story would always be bad and incomplete.
What, that's retarded. Just because something isn't the full story doesn't mean it's bad, it just means you have to read the rest of the story to fully appreciate it. There's nothing wrong with that. Think of it as a sequel (to Fate).

>>118447591
I can identify myself as an HFag now thanks anon!
But that bait does have some truth in it anyways.
Most of the posters from BL like HF and they now a fuckton about fate.
Also i can cook.

>>118447670
Shut up secondary.

Kidding, you are a very sane person, please continue being sane.

>>118447650
>Shirou tracing Avalon.
>kills Gil
Did you even read the Fate Route? Shirou gave Saber back Avalon at the end. Shirou traced Avalon to get out of Grail prison. However yes how he traced Avalon at the bridge scene was bullshit and I know it.

>>118447394
Shtrou is a pretty clean copy & paste shounen protag with 'muh insanity' twist to try to justify him being generic

I liked Zero and FSN. I also enjoyed every route.

>>118447694
That Fate/Zero's source material is indeed 2kool4skool chuuni shit and that's a great point

Get rekt retard

>>118447681
Been a while since i've seen reverse bait.

>People unironically like Waver

Fucking SHIROU is a better master than Waver.

>B-b-but he becomes a badass after Fate/Zero
Shirou could STILL kick his ass after Fate/Stay Night.

>>118447513
What's wrong with liking Fate, huh? You feel the need to like UBW or HF because it makes you look like a child pretending to be adult?

>FSN UBW is only 1/3 of a story guys!
By that logic FZ is only 1/5 of a story

>>118447402
Babbies getting upset people prefer something else to the original or source material. They cling their mediocre chuunige because they have no access to a good VN like Muramasa.

>>118447670
It's the IRC man, it's like everyone forgot about the bastards.

>>118447777
Quads confirm.

>>118447792
You are retarded, pls gtfo and dont come back

>>118447777
I don't think I've ever seen anyone care about Waver as a Master or how "badass" he is.

>>118447799
It's more like there are so many bastards from other places now that we might as well just accept them as normal shitposters

>>118447525
>and she pretty much sat on the side
What the fuck were you reading? Shirou only enters damsel in distress hero mode in Fate because she jobs the first couple times he sees her in action. Berserk makes her spine look like dental floss

>>118447777
Who could kick whose ass shouldn't really be your primary decider of who is the better character

The original source material is shit.

The reason we have "secondaries" now is because you had to be so autistic and pathetic to derive pleasure from the original source material that the fanbase could only exist of retards.

Then Fate/Zero came along, fixed many of Fate Stay/Night's problems and showed the proper way to do a Holy Grail War, so that rational decent human beings could enjoy the story.

>>118445651
Zero's first cour was pretty shit, they're just comparing UBW to its entirety and the few great episodes in the 2nd cour because japs are addicted to the urobuchi dick.
It's been slow so far but they'll be eating it up and praising it around spring when things heat up.


>>118447621
I don't know man, being a housewife for Sakura and Rider sounds pretty perfect to me.

>>118447836
>>118447855
For shonenshit eaters it kinda does.

Why else would people like awesome and badass characters like Kirito?

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>>118447855
>Waver
>better than Shirou
Fuck off with your shit taste, the rest of you primaries can fuck off back to Gaia as well and take the secondaries with you fucking shit taste mother fuckers

>>118447831
Zero doesn't even make sense as a standalone story
There's no explanation behind the ending other than oh they must've done something wrong lol that's why everything's burning

>>118445651
Putting aside the quality of the VNs, I don't think Fate/Zero stands on its own very well. It has too many open plot threads that are left open because Fate/Stay Night deals with them. The series and the novels that spawned them are a prequel that is designed as one; it expects you to have knowledge of the universe and, to some degree, knowledge of what happens in Fate/Stay Night. I don't consider it a good entry point even if it's better than the original work (largely because Nasu is an inferior writer to Urobuchi).

>>118447847
Saber wasn't even relevant in UBW and in HF the only note worthy scene is when shirou had to fight her. Don't act like saber did something in F/SN compared to F/Z.

>>118447855

What's Waver's fucking character?

"Ugh I'm a dumb shit mage I'll go gay for Alexander but be completely impotent in every scenario"

Waver was fucking useless.

>>118447899
2 years of Semen
GLOP.

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>>118447777

>>118447880

Secondary faggot detected

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The trolls are out of control, please nuke this thread.

Did Shirou get his sexism from his father?

Are you guys absolutely sure that Type Moon is good?

I watched Zero (granted it was before S/N because I'm a pleb and hadn't heard of it) and found it to be very dull and somehow not very well explained despite the fact that almost half of the show was an info dump.

I've lurked in S/N threads since they're fucking everywhere and from what I gather it really does read like waifu/power level laden fanfiction.

I watched the first part of KnK and was bored out of my mind watching some characterless woman who I was given zero information about meander through an hour of no plot and too much pretentious metaphor.

How is it that none of Type Moon's series are even remotely entertaining to me? It seems more like I'm being assaulted with tangled, unorganized plot points and ideas than being presented a cohesive, living breathing story.

Fate Zero is the best type moon property because it doesn't decide to get brought down by anime character tropes which other type moon works have (tsundere, brother complex borderlining on incest, loli, harem-esque settings, etc...).

>>118447913
>wish device is destroyed by a sword explosion
>an explosion happens and fire is everywhere

Holy fuck I think I just created a whole new ending! This is sarcasm you fucking retarded faggot

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Shirou may be more powerful but he's boring to me. I'd take edgy Lord El-Melloi II over him anyday.

>primaries, secondaries

It's hilarious how this fanbase fights itself considering every one of you are enormous faggots.

>>118447944

Pictured : A Servant who gets shat on by the entire Fate/Stay Night Servant crew besides assassin and a Servant that lost to 2 women and a ginger

Servants that are all talk belong in the garbage.

>>118447880
>Fate/Zero fixed Fate/stay night problems.
>Showed a proper way to do a Holy Grail War

I don't know what you're trying to say anon, you have no logic to backup.

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In terms of pacing, Fate route is a regular jog, UBW is a slow start that just starts sprinting mid way, HF is a god damn turtle who gets rocket boots in the last minute. Zero is perfect.

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Shiki is better than Shirou

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>>118447777
>>118447836
>>118447855
This is how primaries think and determine the basis for "good writing".

>>118448010
We already know that

>>118445838
Pretty much.

Zero > F/SN

>>118447402
This, it's like a war and at first it was kinda fun but now its getting repetitive. For the second cour I'll just filter the threads because it won't get better.

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>>118448010
Alright somebody finally said it.
Thread's over everybody go home.

>>118447958
Going through Zero without F/SN will do that, considering Zero makes no sense without F/SN.

>>118448006
>HF is a god damn turtle who gets rocket boots

It's fun as fuck when it gets dem rocket boots

The problem is that we are 10 episodes in.
And people keep talking about Zero, that "disscusion" should have been over before episode 5.
Now you can't disscus shit without some anon who yells "ZERO IS BETTER"then everyone proceeds to act like retards taking the bait.

>>118446482
Are you fucking high? You have to be trolling.

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I didn't read Zero, and I couldn't care less.

But I'm missing more Rin and Shirou interaction in UBW, like in the school roof in the VN when Rin gets mad and Shirou says "So, you're back to normal then? Great, it's not the same if you aren't like that."

You can see a glimpse of what Shirou likes about Rin and how he teases her with other stuff.

FUCKING HELL UFOTABLE.

>>118448013
Waver's character arc is shit as well and is unnecessary to Zero. It adds nothing.

He was basically just there so Alexander had someone to talk to.

But
>Using a Touhou reaction image

I bet you haven't even played the games.

>>118448046
But there's no Tsukihime anime...

>>118447993
>Servants that are all talk belong in the garbage
>muh power levels
FSN makes the servants look even more useless

>>118447958
Zero is sep up by Stay Night, mainly HF. You messed up the order.

And yes, KnK is pretty pretentious, but I still liked most of it.

>>118447929
She beats other servants plenty of times. The fuck she did in Zero that she didn't do in F/SN? Besides being clueless

>>118447361
So she died in a couple of 'what if' scenarios which didn't actually happen in the story. How is this better again?

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>>118448092
Who said we're talking about Anime?
F/Z anime was shit and if you want to have some credibility you have to be talking about the LN.

>>118448010
Shroou becomes a powerful counter guardian, entity of balance.

What does Shiki do? being an haremshit protagnist in a porn book that isnt even in 800x600.

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>>118448010
Still the worst shiki though.

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>>118447988
dubs confirm your good taste

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>>118447777
>Fucking SHIROU is a better master than Waver.
Shirou only survived till the end of every route because plot armor

>SECONDARIES SECONDARIES SECONDARIES

I want you to be honest with me. How many you were even here when 4chan obsesses over Tsukihime and F/SN's release?

>>118445651
Zero was the best thing to happen to TM and you know it. It was so good they shouldn't have acknowledged F/SN and created its own sequel.

>>118448077
If you want more rin and shirou action I hope you've already read through F/HA

>>118447971
Even if you can try to rationalize why it happened, narratively it's entirely a loose thread without the context of FSN.

Reminder that LNfags and VNfags are forever second class citizens on /a/.

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>>118448150
>says worst Shiki
>posts 3rd best Shiki
Let me show you the true best Shiki.

>all these EOPs calling the others secondaries when they read some butchered translations
Cute.

>>118447958
it seems like you're way to new.
Did you watch Lain,GiTS,texhnolyze, etc?
You should.

>>118447380
I know that Nasu saved Urobuchi's writing career, and I have no doubt that without him I never would've heard of Gen in the first place. But when it comes down to the quality of the actual writing I'm sorry, but Urobuchi is better.

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ITT: A fanbase worse than SAO or Nardo

>>118448013
It's a shonenfag's VN.

>>118447402

Because normalfags decided to have an opinion.

>>118448198

People shouldn't even brag about reading LNs or VNs unless they read it in Japanese.

>>118447958
Fate/Zero is a prequel

It's a prequel

>>118448142
>F/Z anime was good and if you want to have some credibility you have to be talking about the VN.
Fixed it for you.

>>118448213
What's your favorite route?

>>118448184
>Tsukihime released in '00
>F/SN released in '04 when 4chan was a few months old
In other words: nobody.

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>secondaries

http://youtu.be/t5RLwgDCsm4

>muh sacred vn I plaed when 15

Type Moonies think they are floating above the rest of us. Fucking Christ.

>>118448158

Both Shirou and Waver could not provide adequate mana for their Servants.

Waver can do NOTHING to assist Alexander, while Shirou is always able to do SOMETHING in all of his routes.

Cry plot armor all you want, but Shirou still is more useful than Waver. I mean fuck : Luck is an actual stat for Servants.

secondaries are mad as hell

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>>118448235
>SAO
Are you comparing a bunch of obnoxious faggots to a bunch of retards who arrange orgies just because of a fucking chapter?

Zero (the anime, I haven't read the book) is better because Urobuchi is a better screen writer. Nasu crafts intriguing worlds, but as writer he tends to drag shit on forever while clumsily explaining his concepts.

>>118448292
I think you mean primaries.

>>118448185
I find UBW and HF are better but only because they complement each other, hence why they're both being adapted.
Zero is better as a standalone, I agree, but that doesn't make it better than the whole of F/SN.

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>>118448184
>4chan obsesses over Tsukihime and F/SN's release

>>118447958
So you are judging a Franchise by the things you read in the threads here and you expect to get the appeal of KnK and all the character background on the first film, that had around 40 mins. Is that it? Sounds like the problem is on your end, man

>>118448304
Nope, he definitely means secondaries

Reminder that the VN is massively diminishing returns and you're all watching the anime because you know it's superior

>Urobuchi
>Good writer

I'll take "IT WAS HUMANS ALL ALONG" for 200

Fuck you Urobuchifags, you're the reason that piece of shit Gargantia is polluting Super Robot Wars Z3.2 rather than something actually good.

>>118445651
If we are talking about the anime as standalone, then yes, Zero is better, you have to be blind to not see that.
F/SN just doesn't work that good as an anime, there's a bunch of shit people are not going to understand if they didn't read the VN and to be honest, it's getting repetitive.

>>118448235
It's gotten much shittier, but it's still not on those levels and I find SnKs fanbase to be even worse.

>>118448296
>obnoxious faggots having circlejerk over reading a porn game
>bunch of retards having an orgy

What's the difference

>>118448285

Where the fuck do you faggots keep coming from? Goddamn, the shitposting is worse then Zero

>>118448144
>Shroou

>>118448302
Butcher had NOTHING to do with the anime. He just wrote the book.

>>118448330
>Reminder that the VN is massively diminishing returns
Dude what, each route is better than the last. HF builds up on what happened in fate and UBW and is objectively the best route (even if it has the worst girl)

Why do Zero secondaries like Gil so much? I don't understand it. He's shit in both SN and Zero.

>>118448010
At raping everything that moves and slashing non human characters

>>118448330
>ufobabby fanfiction
>superior
nope. I watch it for the fight scenes but they are shit compared to the VN.

>Kuzuki longarms

>>118445651
The Japanese know better than you. Dumbass retard.

>>118448384
You are trolling or ignorant.