So I just finished the anime, which was good except for the fact it clearly left out tons of shit. The manga's going to be better, right?
I hope Casca and Guts eventually settle down to a peaceful life, but it doesn't seem like that will ever happen ;_;
>I hope Casca and Guts eventually settle down to a peaceful life
Expect more suffering, a lot more
Yes they do settle down and take up sailing as a hobby.
I want Guts to kill Griffith.
Griffith would've broken out either way. That's what his Behelit do. He'll succeed someway because causality.
Anyway, enjoy Guts swinging around a 300+ lbs sword around and shooting people with a handcanon.
The manga quality is directly proportional to the level of chiseled, Aryan chin Guts is sporting.
Lost Children Guts is best Guts.
>"she's my childhood friend and..."
>"please let me go with you i'll talk to her and..."
>"you're going to get yourself killed. Seriously."
>bitch still comes
>fail to kill the beast because of her
>"ok gotta get this right, let my murderous intent boil up again"
>the bitch is about to burn
>hides in the flames
>wait for the beast to save the bitch
>beast pierces your face
>CUT HER HARDER
>beast is almost dead
>"no mister swordsman don't kill her she's my friend"
Can someone explain all the hype behind the conviction arc?? The second half of it was fantastic sure, it's a sweet fight scene. But I practically fell asleep during the first half of it.
>this will still apply for the next 10 years
Yeah it was boring. But father made up for it.
>Any signs of it ending
But Anon, it has only just begun.
Yeah the animation was bad. But I thought the art and the soundtrack made up for it.
I always wondered why it had no budget. Was the manga not as popular as it is today when they made the anime?
this was hands down the best guts. Took a stinger straight to the face just so he could fuck her up. He was truly merciless in that arc
Best thing was that he was right. He fought for justice. If it wasn't for him, hundreds, if not thousands of humans would've been slaughtered by Rosine.
There was an interview in 2010 with Miura
He said he expected to be about 60% done with the story...by 2011.
Assuming he didn't change his plans, there's plenty more Berserk waiting to be written.
I don't want him to rush. The stuff he puts out is the best drawn manga in the business. Is it still popular in JP though is the thing?
Eclipse is the point of safe return, stop there and you'll eventually be fine, Keep going and you'll be trapped on the boat with the rest of use. You will however really enjoy getting to the boat .
Who's you're fave godhand? Mine is eithe Femto or Slan (she has great tits) but femto just looks way more cooler and but less beastly.
I really hope Ishidoro manages to step up his swordsman game soon, I'd love to see him develop his own style and become more formidable.
Would like to see his style become more of a sprint-slash type with dagger since he can throw and is pretty short with a good endurance.
I don't see ANY signs of Berserk ending.
He still hasn't killed any of the 5 big bads yet, and tons of mysteries are left unsolved so far.
People in this thread will die before Berserk ends, and I feel same can be said for pic related.
Man that whole scene with him chopping off his arm just to get to Griffith was so good.
Fucking God Hands.
I don't like how Guts jobbed against Slan. Feels like he didn't even try, Spooky Skeleton even had to remind him to use his canon and sword. Is it the same Guts?
>hasn't killed any of the 5 big bads yet
I feel like they're all gonna die around the same time. Once he actually finds a way to kill one of them shits gonna start going down at terminal velocity.
People have already literally died waiting for them to get off the boat.
>Why don't you use a sword more your size?
Also, Gambino was the worst asshole
Yeah I could see this happening, but I really don't think Miura is the type to off 5 people at the same time.
He sometimes dedicates a whole chapters to Guts fighting small fry.
Maybe he'll take them out like two by two.
Guts should try to reverse engineer these fuckers. Skull Knight knows stuff, ask him how to kill them, if he can help you, stuff like that.
He even could've asked Slan. Come on Guts, play it smart, like you always did.
>20+ yo series
>still no decent shota puck r34 / doujins
>still no berserk r34 that doesn't consist of guts getting fucked up the ass by griffisu
Yeah definitely possible, I feel like he's going to need Skull Knights help when shit starts going down anyways.
>yfw he one shot Griffith.
If it wasn't for Skull Knight, Guts would've died like 4-5 times.
>yfw he one shot Griffith.
I didn't like that either, she didn't even use any magic powers, she just lured him by hiding her wings, it feels like something that Guts could have countered with his quick wit and reflexes
>plus it introduced bestgirl Luca
She had little screentime but she's like S+ waifu material.
Is it me or does Schierke seriously lurks after Guts' dick? I'm still at vol 33 so I'm not sure.
I have to agree, I think the development for Guts is one of the bigger reasons that people like the arc so much.
Also the aftermath of the whole arc and how it basically gets his own little party started is what really made it for me.
Everyone lurks after guts' dick
But schierke is best girl so it's okay
speaking of witch loli, has anyone got that image of the chapter where schierke shows her delicous lolibutt?
Spooky is a bro. The best bro there is, actually.
He already showed his soft side. The only reason he appeared ruthless was that he was obliged to, otherwise he wouldn't survive. He did nothing wrong.
Shit niggas, Just finished this arc. Damn this made me sad, though i suppose it was a good ending in its own way.
I was having doubts on countinuing berserk but this rekindled my faith.
Tell me bros, what am i in for.
I don't mind boats.
I can wait.
You just read the best arc. Expect little drops in quality with high peaks and more crazy fight scenes.
I wouldn't trust any of Skull Knights advice seeing as him doing something no one thought was possible still turned out to be part of Griffith's plan. Causality's a stone cold bitch.
>Guts becoming what he hates most to defeat what he hates the most
Too predictable. If that happened it'd be disappointing at best. He already has the Berserker armor fucking with who he is, anyway. Not to say Miura couldn't pull it off anyway, but he'd have to try really fucking hard for it to work, based on what we know now.
You're in for something amazing that only comes around once every 6 months.
You'll really be rooting for Guts, I don't think I've personally ever wanted a MC to succeed as much as I have for Guts
I imagine by that point something will have happened with his blade/armor that gives him some special power or advantage against the god hand. Who knows, maybe he'll learn to change forms when he goes berserk, and literally become the black wolf we see when he gets near the deep end.
I feel like once the curtain gets pulled away from Griffith's Falconia and the tone gets darker again(which is inevitable, at least for the Griffith side of things) the qualities gonna start rising again.
How did that warp sword even work? Witchay Woman already said that the behelit's don't have any actual power of their own, they're just the focal points of the God Hand's fate manipulation, so how did he get warp powers from them? Did the God Hand specifically trick him into discovering and making it to begin with?
They connect directly with a rather deep part of the astral. He weaponized their connection with that deep area, at least that's what he thought he did. Turns out all he really did is make a neat sword that makes portals, and play right into the hands of the guy he was trying to kill.
Maybe the hellhound itself tries to force Guts to use the behelit and become and Apostle and Guts somehow destroys him by rejecting the chance to attack the God Hand in favor of saving his friends? We've never seen what happens when someone who wasn't already an apostle rejects the sacrifice.
What did he think Griffith was going to do if he didn't attack then? And honestly if his attack had worked what would he have done about the giant world tree sized apostle? The most flawed part of his plan to me seems like his timing.
He was always like that. Guts is trying to heal, and Griffith tries to destroy.
Guts wants to go away, Griffith doesn't. What does Guts do? He keeps the fighting to a minimum, beat Griffith without humiliating him and goes away without too much drama. When Guts come back from his travel, he saves the band of the Hawk, and then helps saving Griffith. Griffith tries to strangle him, what's his reaction? He hugs him and kill his torturer. Casca can't go with him because Griffith guilt-tripped her? Ok, that's bad but he isn't making it more bad than it already is. Griffith escapes and call the God Hands? Guts tries to reason him.
The reason Guts is so mad at Griffith is that he would never act like him. Griffith is ok with destroying everything as long as he gets what he wants.
That is the only point of contention. Someone else said it might become a power that he can control, so maybe he transforms for the purpose of fighting them and then turning back.
But that begs the question: since it's a part of him anyway and he draws it out, he might as well not be fully human to begin with, right? He might become as powerful as the God Hand with that power, but he would never deign to become an apostle himself. I don't think he'd be able to resolve the cognitive dissonance. He just hates them that much, and it is the main source of the hellhound's persistence and power to begin with
Yeah, I feel the same. It would be such a big compromise of his character.
We could all die before Berserk ends. Not naturally, mind you, as I'm assuming that most people here are younger than Miura at least, but you could step out the door tomorrow and get run over by a car. That's some scary shit man.
Then again, I really do worry more about Miura living long enough to finish Berserk. How old is he? Berserk has been running for 20+ years, so if we are at 60%, expect at least another 20. Think he will make it?
The thing is that the Hellhound IS Guts.
It's all the violent and dark emotions he suppresed at the moment.
It only started to appear "hostile" after Guts stopped going after griffith
I know, it's because he is Guts that he'd be able to make the sacrifice for him, but Guts would be able to reject that part of himself once and for all by rejecting the chance for revenge once it's right in front of him. Also while it's a part of him, it's been seen to develope it's own consiousness for a while.
I heard Miura is a fan of Guin Saga, which started in 1979 and I believe is still going.
Also the original author of Guin Saga died, but it's still going maybe because of assistants or something.
I feel like Miura might speed things up once things start to get to the conclusion, probably just wishful thinking.
It's understandable since he spent a full year killing stuff non-stop with barely any rest. It's part of his life now and he can't suppress it that easily.
There you go
Good points, its a great dichotomy of the two characters.
It's pretty ironic because if you look at the two characters you would think that it would be the other way around based on appearances.
The berserker armor is powered by it though. It started out as a visual metaphor but the armor, and apparently some of the ghosts trying to posses Guts turned it into an actual entity.
Can anyone tell me what happened at this part it alway left me confused; was he trying to get it on? It's Volume 12 page 28-30
I understand, and while it might not technically be a power as much as it is just an integral part of who he is, I don't see much of a difference when he uses it to fuel his rage within the Berserker armor. Without that 'thirst', he would have been dead several times over by the Sea God arc.
God damn, one can only imagine what must have been going through his head at that moment. Think he achieved Guts-level inner hate? He was locked down there for 2 years indirectly because of him.
Griffith tries to force himself onto Caska (probably because he's jealous of Guts), but instead of reciprocating his feelings Caska just treats him as an injured friend and probably feels sorry for him.
If Berserk doesn't continue on a normal schedule soon I might just be tempted to leave this world myself.
Another thing I didn't mention, Guts is trying to build a new life with Casca. Griffith's reaction? Rape Casca to ruin Guts' plan.
Griffith becomes Femto and has already ruined Guts' life. Sure, let's keep doing that : time to rape Casca one more time, in front of him, and make her a potato.
Griffith comes back on earth. First thing he does? Let's see Guts, I'm sure he'll enjoy that.
Griffitih is just fucking around with everybody because he's a control maniac.
The anime didn't really even leave that much out of the golden age arc.
Unless you're talking about the movies, in which case you pretty much ruined your chance to experience the story the way it should be the first time. Those movies should seriously have warnings not to watch them if you haven't read the manga or at least seen the anime first.
See the Lost Children Act? After Guts fails to kill Rosine two or three times, he says something like "I have to let my murderous intent go free", and the hellhound appears again on his face.
It's just Guts' thirst for blood.
I prefer to think that the 'hellhound' is just his ego fucking with him, made a little more erratic from those dwarven enchantments on the armour and the after-effects of the World Transformation.
Guts just being a man is what makes him so impressive to read about.
He was trying to have sex with her.
She wasn't into it, he tried to anyway but then realized he couldn't perform.
Casca wasn't into it, and the next time she sees Guts she's shaken up by it. She doesn't believe Griffith is the same person anymore either (he's not) and she's worried if they leave the Hawks he will become evil. (He already is evil)
It's a case where Casca is clinging to the old Griffith but realizes he's gone. Griffith realizes that Casca knows this, and that's why he immediately makes a break for it before she can explain the situation to Guts. He instigates the eclipse and happily betrays Guts and Casca who he sees now as a threat.
You know, after they saved his ass. Griffith apologists are the worst.
Well, he's not exactly a man now that he's in the Interstice, but it's just like stealing your enemies' weapon and turning it against them. Just like Guts did during the Eclipse, actually.
That really surprised me. First thing I thought when I saw the monsters attacking everyone, except "oh shit" was that Guts didn't have his sword and was fucked.
Another thing that kind of confuses me is Caska's pregnancy.
Did Griffith know she was pregnant and decided to mess the kid up? I don't think it was ever mentioned that he knew, but the kid is technically inside of him after the the incarnation ceremony.
Basically the Hellhound has taken part of Guts' mind as its own. I wouldn't be surprised (given the shit that happened merging the worlds together) if the Hellhound eventually takes real form and Guts has to decide between fighting it (sparing his squad) and fighting Griffith.
I prefer stories where horrible monsters get to be good people despite falling to darkness because I'm a sappy fuck, but Lost Children was just done so damn well.
I hope this doesn't happen. A situation where Guts would have to chose between his squad and Griffith has to be better than that. And it already happened, Guts is prioritizing his squad now. Probably because he'll have his chances to deal with Griffith later, but still.
This. As a reader, I genuinely felt confused when I saw all these monsters (Miura's artstyle helps). Seeing Guts go all berserk and fighting them like a mad dog felt so satisfying. He's just that badass.
I really want to know how Caska views Griffith now, because I think Skull Knight alluded that she might not want to kill him as Guts does.
Also, I feel like that even though she was in a relationship with Guts she still had strong feelings for Griffith, also even crazy Caska reacted in an almost awed sort of way after Griffith saves her from some falling rocks.
Fighting the Hellhound probably wouldn't be a literal fight, more of a willpower resisting temptation type thing. And it might happen because I'm pretty sure by the end Guts won't really want to keep fighting.
This is becoming more of a semantics debate on my part, so I'll just concede to that and refer to it as such to avoid confusion. I always agreed with that analysis.
>Griffith apologists are the worst.
Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.
At least, he'd have kept his injuries to a minimum and could've rebuilt the band of the hawk after Guts saved him.
Griffith was just insane. I think having sex with the princess and mocking the king was a way for him to feel like he had control on something after Guts left. Like, "I can't control Guts? B-b-but I can fuck the princess, and fucking the princess=being king=being the one in charge. It didn't work? Well, I can still insult the king, see, I'm the top dog here. Oh well, not really. Oh Guts, it's been a while. I'M GOING TO MURDER YOUR ASS"
she's cool with him, except for the constant pain in his vicinity thing
>Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.
It's really hard to find people like that, but that only goes to show how great of a villain Miura created with Griffith.
Almost everyone hates him and is wants him to get absolutely wrecked by Guts.
>Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.
I'm pretty sure some will cry when he dies.
>griffith did nothing wrong
>guts was an asshole and a murderer he left him that's his fault
>why didn't guts move on? griffith stopped being evil
I know Griffith is supposed to be seen more as someone who lost his humanity trying to make himself in the image of a god, and more than just a simple madman but when it comes to his need for control he really reminds me of Ted Bundy. Like when he sabotaged his own legal defense because he had to be in charge.
Hawk! though I haven't seen her in these threads for a while.
I didn't get the impression that he was evil at all at that point, aside from initially trying to strangle Guts, but he was still kind of hallucinating and then his buddies suddenly burst into the dungeon to save him after 2 years.
I don't think Caska suspected anything of him being evil either, and only wanted to stay by him out of pity, albeit surprised that he tried to fuck her given she was under the impression he liked the princess, rather than him doing what he did purely for ambition.
It's ok if he can kill Griffith before he dies. That's what his life has been for a while. I want Guts to succeed, he deserves it.
If Guts were ever going to fight his inner beast (absolutely retarded, it's his own soul as confirmed by Schierke) it would only occur if he became an apostle (also retarded)
I think you have to keep in mind that it's a fantasy story, so it probably doesn't need to be understood in terms of psychological disorders that would be familiar in reality.
In reality some people struggle with inner demons of sorts, which can consume them and turn them into monsters, figuratively speaking. In the world of Berserk, this sort of thing isn't just psychological, it's the actual reality that people can become demons. Dreams/subconscious becoming actual reality is obviously one of the persistent ideas in the story.
So I think it makes sense to look at the hellhound as a kind of literal manifestation of Gut's struggle with his own inner demon, like how people can battle with parts of their nature that they struggle to control, but in this case it takes the actual form of a monster that could actually take over his physical form if he used the behelit to do so.
You mean Guts won't get the happy ending with him living with Caska and being visited by all of the friends he's made on his journey?!
Say it ain't so anon.
Holy shit can you imagine how fucking crazy Guts would go.
You keep focusing on it as a literal fight. I'm not talking about Guts going into his mind and punching the dog to death, I'm talking about him rejecting what it represents and going all Vinland Saga pacifist so it dissapears.
I respected Zodd until he became Griffith's bitch.
What if Casca regains her memories and want to go back to Griffith, then Guts goes in full rage to kill Griffith accidentally kills Casca and later finds out she was mentally manipulated by Griffith.
I don't expect Guts to literally fight the hellhound. He must restrain him, and the hellhound must devour Guts. It's a psychological battle where each side tries to control the other with words, nightmares and stuff like that.
I think Guts needs to think about the future and come up with a plan to kill the God Hands, that'll probably keep the hellhound restrained for a bit.
Zodd is Guts' biggest fan, he really thinks Guts is the strongest warrior ever.
Isn't it the case?
>absurdly big weapon
>superhuman strength and durability
>fucking handcanon strong enough to take out Apostles and shit
>went toe-to-toe with him
>can AK-47 crossbow his enemies and throw bombs
>sword big enough to parry everything
the only guy strongest than Guts was that magician but that's not exactly a warrior
I think if she wanted to go back to Griffith the readers would all want Gutts to kill HER instead of Griffith.
But man I would not be surprised if Griffith pulls off some sort of mind fuckery like that, it seems as soon as anyone sees him (besides Gutts) they instantly want to suck his dick.
It's been my personal canon for so long I can't imagine it otherwise.
I think the whole point of Gut's being the protagonist is that he's supposed to be strong enough to overcome his reckless desire for revenge. That's what makes him different from all the apostles who just indulge in the worst parts of themselves and sacrifice the people they love for power or whatever else they want.
So basically turning it into a revenge story would just make Guts another bad guy.
Rickert didn't though. I think the only way she'd do that is if she comes back with amnesia and Guts doesn't have the heart to tell her the truth because he's afraid she'll go full retard again.
The hellhound isn't an issue when their goals overlap.
For example during Black Swordsman,Lost Children and Conviction his hellhound side never hindered Guts.
They only began to "seperate" after rescuing Casca
Guts' crew can do the talking for him. Telling her she went full potato after Eclipse and that Griffith is a really bad guy should be convincing enough.
Nah I'm not saying there will be a showdown between them, I'm saying that Guts could actually become Hellhound, similar to how Griffith became Femto. I doubt that will actually happen, but I think the implication is that that's how it works.
True forgot about Rickert, I liked the latest chapters and their focus on him. It shows that not everyone is being deluded into the "utopia" that Griffith created.
I could see Guts keeping quiet about it as well, it's going to be real interesting on how the situation is handled.
Agreed. He's such a seriously hateable guy, it's great. One of my favorite villains by far.
His death could be bittersweet in light of how he was before the Eclipse, but even then you could argue that those were his intentions all along. He was using everything and everyone around him to achieve that power for himself. The one man that would work against that plan, and be something absolutely out of his control, would be the straw that broke the camel's back. He's probably as full of hatred for Guts as Guts is for Griffith, even if he thinks he has him under control for now, because Guts has proven to sway against causality once on his own.
I recently saw a webm on /a/ with that scene where Griffith rapes Casca and Guts cuts off his arm.
I want to start the Manga now and i've read the first three volumes, now i am in the middle of a Guts flashback where he is still a child.
It looks like these three animated movies show Guts past, so i wanted to ask which chapters these movies cover.
The hellhound is basically urging Guts to go back to his main quest and Guts is trying to suppress it until Casca is safe. Once it's done, he can go hellhound again (without destroying his body too much ofc)
He was a great counterpart to Guts' edge, and a great influence. I can understand Guts' will to stay focused on his goal though.
>Guts killed thousands of children
I think that's an exaggeration, and the few that he did kill were already monsters.
But yeah, Guts is pretty edgy as the black swordsman, that's part of his slide down to the dark part of himself. But it's pretty clear that now he's trying to protect his group and not give in to the hound. He's obviously nowhere near that edgy anymore.
He keeps deluding himself that he's above feeling anything towards Guts anymore, I really want to see how hit looks when his god persona breaks down and reveals whatever semblance of human emotions he has left.
Are you saying Griffith still hates Guts because he's struggling against him?
I don't know. Griffith looked euphoric when he met Guts again as Femto and when he reincarnated. As if he felt so victorious that he didn't consider Guts as anything more than an insect anymore.
Basically all of the character development. There's more to a story than just plot points.
Unless you're actually just one of these people who only care about the rape and gore, then go ahead and watch the movies I guess.
The movies are horrible, ugly CGI that's a clusterfuck of skipping content and character development and should not be viewed by anyone.