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So I just finished the anime, which was good...
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So I just finished the anime, which was good except for the fact it clearly left out tons of shit. The manga's going to be better, right?
I hope Casca and Guts eventually settle down to a peaceful life, but it doesn't seem like that will ever happen ;_;
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U shud have read the manga first niggo now go strap urself in for the wild ride and read it
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>>118348273
>I hope Casca and Guts eventually settle down to a peaceful life
Expect more suffering, a lot more
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>>118348273
Yes they do settle down and take up sailing as a hobby.
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>>118348273
The only thing the anime is good for is the outtakes, you'll love the manga.
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>>118348710
N-no, I just want Guts to be happy
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>>118348717
>>118348981
Is the whole manga worth it?
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>>118349018
I want Guts to kill Griffith.
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>>118349114
Judge for yourself.
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>>118349154
I hope so too, they should have just left him to rot in that prison, though obviously they didn't know what would happen if they broke him out.
>>118349197
Aight
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>>118349197
>that pic
Perfect
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>>118349237
Griffith would've broken out either way. That's what his Behelit do. He'll succeed someway because causality.
Anyway, enjoy Guts swinging around a 300+ lbs sword around and shooting people with a handcanon.
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>>118349367
True, true
>Anyway, enjoy Guts swinging around a 300+ lbs sword around and shooting people with a handcanon.
It's all I could ever want
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>>118349114
>pic related
The manga quality is directly proportional to the level of chiseled, Aryan chin Guts is sporting.
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>>118349367
>300+ lbs
Have you got that infographic of the autismal breakdown of what it would actually weigh if built as described?
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>>118349680
How did he got that white hair stuff already?
Is it supposed to represent his mindset?
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Don't binge read it because you'll wait forever for new chapters.
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>>118349869
>Don't binge read it
Far too late, it's winter break and I got nothing better to do other than vidya. How often do chapters come out anyway?
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>>118349869
its been like what 5 years or something
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Lost Children Guts is best Guts.
>"she's my childhood friend and..."
>"fuck you"
>"please let me go with you i'll talk to her and..."
>"you're going to get yourself killed. Seriously."
>bitch still comes
>fail to kill the beast because of her
>"ok gotta get this right, let my murderous intent boil up again"
>the bitch is about to burn
>hides in the flames
>wait for the beast to save the bitch
>cut her
>beast pierces your face
>CUT HER HARDER
>beast is almost dead
>"no mister swordsman don't kill her she's my friend"
>"FUCK YOU"
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>>118349821
Using the Berserker armour fully is quite stressful on the body.
It's heavily implied that continual use will eventually turn you into some form of undead.
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>>118349945
Whenever he feels like releasing one.
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>>118349945
Once every 6 months
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>>118350023
>>118350033
Oh my. Any signs of it ending?
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>>118350063
Expect an end sometime in the next 1-30 years
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thank you rickert
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>>118350109
Well shit
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Can someone explain all the hype behind the conviction arc?? The second half of it was fantastic sure, it's a sweet fight scene. But I practically fell asleep during the first half of it.
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>>118349945
>>118350023
>>118350033
>>118350063
>>118350109
>this will still apply for the next 10 years
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>>118348273
It will not happen not because the other wishes them ill but because the author will not finish the series.
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I watched the anime and liked it. But the manga got really boring as it went on. I don't understand why everyone says that the anime is a bad adaption.
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>>118350378
Yeah it was boring. But father made up for it.
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>>118350503
No budget. It was more like a slideshow. And I'm probably one of the only ones who prefers the latter part of the story and the characters (minus Casca being retarded).
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>>118350503
some things just don't age well
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>>118350063
>Any signs of it ending
But Anon, it has only just begun.
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>>118350588
>>118350591
Yeah the animation was bad. But I thought the art and the soundtrack made up for it.
I always wondered why it had no budget. Was the manga not as popular as it is today when they made the anime?
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>>118350825
>he feints as he discovers his fate
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>>118350002
this was hands down the best guts. Took a stinger straight to the face just so he could fuck her up. He was truly merciless in that arc
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>you will never be as alpha as guts
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>>118351140
Can anything stop him?
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>>118351202
Start lifting.
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>>118351202
>alpha
>gets NTR'd
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>>118351140
Best thing was that he was right. He fought for justice. If it wasn't for him, hundreds, if not thousands of humans would've been slaughtered by Rosine.
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>>118351766
b-but Rosine a qt
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>>118351844
Two qts, now.
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>>118349820
I remember some guy explaining how based on inertia guts Would have to balance on one foot just to lift it away from him.
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>>118351945
>implying she won't show up with Jill at her side in the next chapter
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>>118349680
It looked better in boyhood arc and the few chapters leading up to it. I think he's gonna strike a balance between the massive jaw at the bottom and the face near volume 19.
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>>118352080
Which side of her?
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>>118350063
There was an interview in 2010 with Miura

He said he expected to be about 60% done with the story...by 2011.

Assuming he didn't change his plans, there's plenty more Berserk waiting to be written.

I don't want him to rush. The stuff he puts out is the best drawn manga in the business. Is it still popular in JP though is the thing?
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>>118352452
It is popular as fuck and even if it wasn't anymore his position is one of the most secure in the industry because Berserk pretty much made the magazine he's at.
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>>118352452
>I don't want him to rush
I don't want him to rush either, but I do want a regular schedule. One full chapter every two-three months and I'd be happy.
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Has anything happened since Rickert became based and slapped that homosexual with a god complex?
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Are there any comic relief characters that you don't hate? I personally like Manifico for reasons I don't understand.
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>>118353017
that's the recent chapter
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>>118352917
>rape
>the one in the middle is clearly enjoying herself
Mindbroken by the unending troll dick.
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>>118353076
Puck, especially until Tower of Conviction.
The guy who wanted to marry Farnese. Based.
Griffith
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>>118353150
The ship captain dude isn't comic relief, he's literally the owner of the final boss.
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>>118353076
Puck and Ishidoro are great
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>>118353145
Is it just me or does it seem like there's always one insane fucker enjoying it? Even with Wyald?
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>>118353234
What? I'm not there you, care to explain?
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>>118353334
I'm not there yet*
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>>118353334
The boat is the final boss. At least for the reader that is.
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>>118351766
>thousands of humans
You mean livestock.
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Eclipse is the point of safe return, stop there and you'll eventually be fine, Keep going and you'll be trapped on the boat with the rest of use. You will however really enjoy getting to the boat .
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At least we got 4 chapters in 2014 better than a lot of years.
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>>118353447
Now that's edgy.
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>>118353076
I love Azan the knightbro.
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Who's you're fave godhand? Mine is eithe Femto or Slan (she has great tits) but femto just looks way more cooler and but less beastly.
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>>118353629
I will never forgive Femto for being a turbodouche, Slan does get my dick going though.
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>>118353251
I really hope Ishidoro manages to step up his swordsman game soon, I'd love to see him develop his own style and become more formidable.
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>>118353699
Is that some wierd edit of another page because old Isidoro looks really familiar?
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>>118353699
I think i time skip would help the series get off the boat
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>>118353699
Would like to see his style become more of a sprint-slash type with dagger since he can throw and is pretty short with a good endurance.
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>>118350063
I don't see ANY signs of Berserk ending.

He still hasn't killed any of the 5 big bads yet, and tons of mysteries are left unsolved so far.

People in this thread will die before Berserk ends, and I feel same can be said for pic related.
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>>118354020
>People in this thread will die before Berserk ends
That sounds really awful ;_;
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>>118351658
Man that whole scene with him chopping off his arm just to get to Griffith was so good.
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>>118353851
Reminds me of Gambino.
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>>118354020
Fucking God Hands.
I don't like how Guts jobbed against Slan. Feels like he didn't even try, Spooky Skeleton even had to remind him to use his canon and sword. Is it the same Guts?
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>>118354020
>hasn't killed any of the 5 big bads yet
I feel like they're all gonna die around the same time. Once he actually finds a way to kill one of them shits gonna start going down at terminal velocity.
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>>118354053
People have already literally died waiting for them to get off the boat.
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>>118354105
Everything he did with that Apostle tusk was amazing. It may not be healthy for him, but Guts has the best rampages.
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>>118354116
I thought he was under the influence of bad vibes or some shit?
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>>118354115
>Why don't you use a sword more your size?
>No!!
>heknew.jpg
Also, Gambino was the worst asshole

>>118354148
This

and

>>118354105
this
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>>118349367
Berserk as a cooking manga.
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>>118354148
Yeah I could see this happening, but I really don't think Miura is the type to off 5 people at the same time.

He sometimes dedicates a whole chapters to Guts fighting small fry.
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>>118354404
Maybe he'll take them out like two by two.
Guts should try to reverse engineer these fuckers. Skull Knight knows stuff, ask him how to kill them, if he can help you, stuff like that.
He even could've asked Slan. Come on Guts, play it smart, like you always did.
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>20+ yo series
>still no decent shota puck r34 / doujins
>still no berserk r34 that doesn't consist of guts getting fucked up the ass by griffisu

why
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>>118354521
Yeah definitely possible, I feel like he's going to need Skull Knights help when shit starts going down anyways.

Also
>yfw he one shot Griffith.
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>>118354651
And the worst offense is the non existent amount of slan doujins
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>>118350378
Well it showed a noble side to Guts we've never seen before, plus it introduced bestgirl Luca
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>>118354723
If it wasn't for Skull Knight, Guts would've died like 4-5 times.

>yfw he one shot Griffith.
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>>118350002
Anyone else seeing a vagina there?
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>>118354116
I didn't like that either, she didn't even use any magic powers, she just lured him by hiding her wings, it feels like something that Guts could have countered with his quick wit and reflexes
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>>118354855
>plus it introduced bestgirl Luca
MY. NIGGER.
She had little screentime but she's like S+ waifu material.

>>118354890
Is it me or does Schierke seriously lurks after Guts' dick? I'm still at vol 33 so I'm not sure.
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>>118354855
I have to agree, I think the development for Guts is one of the bigger reasons that people like the arc so much.

Also the aftermath of the whole arc and how it basically gets his own little party started is what really made it for me.
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>>118354945
Everyone lurks after guts' dick
But schierke is best girl so it's okay
speaking of witch loli, has anyone got that image of the chapter where schierke shows her delicous lolibutt?
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>>118354723
>getting help from the biggest fuck-up around
I bet Skully sits in his hide-out and cries himself to sleep
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>>118354945
Yeah she definitely does, so does Farnese.
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>>118355126
Spoilered for lewdness
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>>118350007
An undead riding a horse perhaps?
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>>118355181
Spooky is a bro. The best bro there is, actually.

>>118355096
He already showed his soft side. The only reason he appeared ruthless was that he was obliged to, otherwise he wouldn't survive. He did nothing wrong.
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>>118354855
>implying Luca isn't Slan's favourite whore
Why do you think all the whores survived the fake Eclipse?
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>>118355181
Can't wait for his back story though, you know it's gonna be sad as fuck.
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My guess about the end of Berserk is Gut activate his behelit, become an apostle, so don't suffer near the god hand and kill both of them, the end.
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By the way, did Guts fought God Hand again after vol 33? I don't see how he could since, well, he's on the boat, but I'm wondering.
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Shit niggas, Just finished this arc. Damn this made me sad, though i suppose it was a good ending in its own way.
I was having doubts on countinuing berserk but this rekindled my faith.
Tell me bros, what am i in for.
I don't mind boats.
I can wait.
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>>118355354
He hasn't fought any of the God Hand besides Slan so far, and honestly it wasn't really a fight.
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>>118355401
You just read the best arc. Expect little drops in quality with high peaks and more crazy fight scenes.
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>>118354723
>>118354521
I wouldn't trust any of Skull Knights advice seeing as him doing something no one thought was possible still turned out to be part of Griffith's plan. Causality's a stone cold bitch.
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>>118355239
you rused me
nonetheless, i am still erect
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>>118355408
that was just Slan raping him
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>>118355306

>Guts becoming what he hates most to defeat what he hates the most

Too predictable. If that happened it'd be disappointing at best. He already has the Berserker armor fucking with who he is, anyway. Not to say Miura couldn't pull it off anyway, but he'd have to try really fucking hard for it to work, based on what we know now.
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So where to read?
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>>118355401
You're in for something amazing that only comes around once every 6 months.

You'll really be rooting for Guts, I don't think I've personally ever wanted a MC to succeed as much as I have for Guts
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>>118355484
Skully really should have seen that coming though, he made a weapon from a set of items known for being the tools of causality.
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>>118355306
I imagine by that point something will have happened with his blade/armor that gives him some special power or advantage against the god hand. Who knows, maybe he'll learn to change forms when he goes berserk, and literally become the black wolf we see when he gets near the deep end.
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>>118355462
I feel like once the curtain gets pulled away from Griffith's Falconia and the tone gets darker again(which is inevitable, at least for the Griffith side of things) the qualities gonna start rising again.
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>>118355525
Batoto.net has some great scans, mangapark is another good place.

Both have HQ scans
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>>118355525
download the dark horse scans
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>>118355484
What?
Does something like that happen after vol 33?
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I'm hoping for some shieldbro-esque suffering when guts gets to falconia
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>>118355570
How did that warp sword even work? Witchay Woman already said that the behelit's don't have any actual power of their own, they're just the focal points of the God Hand's fate manipulation, so how did he get warp powers from them? Did the God Hand specifically trick him into discovering and making it to begin with?
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>>118355525
http://bakabt.me/162057-berserk-scans.html
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>>118355570
>implying anything exists outside of causality
>>118355522
How do you think Miura will resolve the issue with the hellhound getting stronger and stronger?
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>>118355522
Yeah honestly the way Guts is right now I think he would rather die trying to accomplish his goal his own way than go down the same path Griffith did.
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>>118355643
Do you really want spoilers?
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>>118355681
CAUSALITY
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>>118355681
They connect directly with a rather deep part of the astral. He weaponized their connection with that deep area, at least that's what he thought he did. Turns out all he really did is make a neat sword that makes portals, and play right into the hands of the guy he was trying to kill.
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>>118355745
Ok, not anymore.
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>>118355728
Maybe the hellhound itself tries to force Guts to use the behelit and become and Apostle and Guts somehow destroys him by rejecting the chance to attack the God Hand in favor of saving his friends? We've never seen what happens when someone who wasn't already an apostle rejects the sacrifice.
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>>118355681
I think it worked because the Behelit is used to open the portal to see the God Hand, and so he basically concentrated that to open portals.
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>>118355816
What did he think Griffith was going to do if he didn't attack then? And honestly if his attack had worked what would he have done about the giant world tree sized apostle? The most flawed part of his plan to me seems like his timing.
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>>118355732
He was always like that. Guts is trying to heal, and Griffith tries to destroy.
Guts wants to go away, Griffith doesn't. What does Guts do? He keeps the fighting to a minimum, beat Griffith without humiliating him and goes away without too much drama. When Guts come back from his travel, he saves the band of the Hawk, and then helps saving Griffith. Griffith tries to strangle him, what's his reaction? He hugs him and kill his torturer. Casca can't go with him because Griffith guilt-tripped her? Ok, that's bad but he isn't making it more bad than it already is. Griffith escapes and call the God Hands? Guts tries to reason him.

The reason Guts is so mad at Griffith is that he would never act like him. Griffith is ok with destroying everything as long as he gets what he wants.
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>>118355580
I think it's definitely headed that way after Rickert's little stunt.
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>>118355728

That is the only point of contention. Someone else said it might become a power that he can control, so maybe he transforms for the purpose of fighting them and then turning back.

But that begs the question: since it's a part of him anyway and he draws it out, he might as well not be fully human to begin with, right? He might become as powerful as the God Hand with that power, but he would never deign to become an apostle himself. I don't think he'd be able to resolve the cognitive dissonance. He just hates them that much, and it is the main source of the hellhound's persistence and power to begin with

>>118355732

Yeah, I feel the same. It would be such a big compromise of his character.
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We could all die before Berserk ends. Not naturally, mind you, as I'm assuming that most people here are younger than Miura at least, but you could step out the door tomorrow and get run over by a car. That's some scary shit man.

Then again, I really do worry more about Miura living long enough to finish Berserk. How old is he? Berserk has been running for 20+ years, so if we are at 60%, expect at least another 20. Think he will make it?
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>>118356007
>Griffith tries to strangle him
Oh, shit, I don't remember that. Would somebody be able to post the page that happens?
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>>118355856
The thing is that the Hellhound IS Guts.
It's all the violent and dark emotions he suppresed at the moment.
It only started to appear "hostile" after Guts stopped going after griffith
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>>118356129
I know, it's because he is Guts that he'd be able to make the sacrifice for him, but Guts would be able to reject that part of himself once and for all by rejecting the chance for revenge once it's right in front of him. Also while it's a part of him, it's been seen to develope it's own consiousness for a while.
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>>118351658
Correct. Let's face it, we here at /a/ would have either gave up on life after that event or commited suicide out of shame.

Guts is one GOD-like alpha nigger
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>>118356056
the hellhound is basicaly Guts' thirst for vengeance manifested.
It isn't a "power". It's just another part of his personality
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>>118356066
I heard Miura is a fan of Guin Saga, which started in 1979 and I believe is still going.

Also the original author of Guin Saga died, but it's still going maybe because of assistants or something.

I feel like Miura might speed things up once things start to get to the conclusion, probably just wishful thinking.
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>>118356129
It's understandable since he spent a full year killing stuff non-stop with barely any rest. It's part of his life now and he can't suppress it that easily.

>>118356122
There you go
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>>118356007
Good points, its a great dichotomy of the two characters.

It's pretty ironic because if you look at the two characters you would think that it would be the other way around based on appearances.
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>>118356219
The problem is that Guts "needs" his inner hellhound to fight
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>>118356246
The berserker armor is powered by it though. It started out as a visual metaphor but the armor, and apparently some of the ghosts trying to posses Guts turned it into an actual entity.
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Can anyone tell me what happened at this part it alway left me confused; was he trying to get it on? It's Volume 12 page 28-30
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>>118355856
>hellhound

this is a term that should be dropped, it is misleading and I don't believe it's ever been named that in the manga
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>>118356246

I understand, and while it might not technically be a power as much as it is just an integral part of who he is, I don't see much of a difference when he uses it to fuel his rage within the Berserker armor. Without that 'thirst', he would have been dead several times over by the Sea God arc.
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>>118356294
God damn, one can only imagine what must have been going through his head at that moment. Think he achieved Guts-level inner hate? He was locked down there for 2 years indirectly because of him.
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>>118356363
Griffith tries to force himself onto Caska (probably because he's jealous of Guts), but instead of reciprocating his feelings Caska just treats him as an injured friend and probably feels sorry for him.
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>>118354165
If Berserk doesn't continue on a normal schedule soon I might just be tempted to leave this world myself.
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>>118356340
No the armor just "pulls" it out and shapes itself after the wearers "self-image".
Also the hellhound has nothing to do with those ghost who mocked Guts
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>>118356336
Another thing I didn't mention, Guts is trying to build a new life with Casca. Griffith's reaction? Rape Casca to ruin Guts' plan.
Griffith becomes Femto and has already ruined Guts' life. Sure, let's keep doing that : time to rape Casca one more time, in front of him, and make her a potato.
Griffith comes back on earth. First thing he does? Let's see Guts, I'm sure he'll enjoy that.

Griffitih is just fucking around with everybody because he's a control maniac.
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>>118356263
Guin Saga was an LN and it killed the author, the amount of work a manga takes comparatively, Jesus Christ Miura can't last much longer.
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>>118348273
The anime didn't really even leave that much out of the golden age arc.

Unless you're talking about the movies, in which case you pretty much ruined your chance to experience the story the way it should be the first time. Those movies should seriously have warnings not to watch them if you haven't read the manga or at least seen the anime first.
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>>118356399
See the Lost Children Act? After Guts fails to kill Rosine two or three times, he says something like "I have to let my murderous intent go free", and the hellhound appears again on his face.
It's just Guts' thirst for blood.
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>>118356399
he'd be dead during the eclipse and his Black Swordsman years.
Flora said that it keeps Guts alive but now tries to also burn away who he wants to protect
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>>118356462
When Guts got possessed and attacked Casca he saw the Hellhound. And the hellhound actually talks to him when he uses the armor. It's got it's own conciousness now.
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>>118356056
I prefer to think that the 'hellhound' is just his ego fucking with him, made a little more erratic from those dwarven enchantments on the armour and the after-effects of the World Transformation.
Guts just being a man is what makes him so impressive to read about.
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>>118356363
He was trying to have sex with her.
She wasn't into it, he tried to anyway but then realized he couldn't perform.

Casca wasn't into it, and the next time she sees Guts she's shaken up by it. She doesn't believe Griffith is the same person anymore either (he's not) and she's worried if they leave the Hawks he will become evil. (He already is evil)

It's a case where Casca is clinging to the old Griffith but realizes he's gone. Griffith realizes that Casca knows this, and that's why he immediately makes a break for it before she can explain the situation to Guts. He instigates the eclipse and happily betrays Guts and Casca who he sees now as a threat.

You know, after they saved his ass. Griffith apologists are the worst.
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>>118356597
I'd call it split personality
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>>118356559
Don't worry, I didn't watch the movies
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>>118356598
Well, he's not exactly a man now that he's in the Interstice, but it's just like stealing your enemies' weapon and turning it against them. Just like Guts did during the Eclipse, actually.
That really surprised me. First thing I thought when I saw the monsters attacking everyone, except "oh shit" was that Guts didn't have his sword and was fucked.
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>>118356680
I would too, but I consider a split personality a seperate conciousness.
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>>118356501
Another thing that kind of confuses me is Caska's pregnancy.

Did Griffith know she was pregnant and decided to mess the kid up? I don't think it was ever mentioned that he knew, but the kid is technically inside of him after the the incarnation ceremony.
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>>118356597
Basically the Hellhound has taken part of Guts' mind as its own. I wouldn't be surprised (given the shit that happened merging the worlds together) if the Hellhound eventually takes real form and Guts has to decide between fighting it (sparing his squad) and fighting Griffith.
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>>118356733
Purely in terms of intensity and action, that rampage with the horn was the best shit in Berserk.
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>>118356424
>indirectly because of him
pls
it was griffith's fault for being a dumbass and going to the princess for rebound sex
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>>118351844
>>118351945
>>118351766
I prefer stories where horrible monsters get to be good people despite falling to darkness because I'm a sappy fuck, but Lost Children was just done so damn well.
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>>118356822
Yes.
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>>118356785
Guts without the hellhound has absolutely no will or reason to fight.
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>>118356857
Well, I mean indirectly in that he went to the princess BECAUSE he got BTFO by his straight crush.
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>>118356785
I hope this doesn't happen. A situation where Guts would have to chose between his squad and Griffith has to be better than that. And it already happened, Guts is prioritizing his squad now. Probably because he'll have his chances to deal with Griffith later, but still.

>>118356822
This. As a reader, I genuinely felt confused when I saw all these monsters (Miura's artstyle helps). Seeing Guts go all berserk and fighting them like a mad dog felt so satisfying. He's just that badass.
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>>118356857
And then mocking the king after he got caught. Honestly if he had kept it cool he might've been able to talk his way out of it.
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>>118356660
I really want to know how Caska views Griffith now, because I think Skull Knight alluded that she might not want to kill him as Guts does.

Also, I feel like that even though she was in a relationship with Guts she still had strong feelings for Griffith, also even crazy Caska reacted in an almost awed sort of way after Griffith saves her from some falling rocks.
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>>118356898
Fighting the Hellhound probably wouldn't be a literal fight, more of a willpower resisting temptation type thing. And it might happen because I'm pretty sure by the end Guts won't really want to keep fighting.
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>>118356582
>>118356598

This is becoming more of a semantics debate on my part, so I'll just concede to that and refer to it as such to avoid confusion. I always agreed with that analysis.

>>118356660

>Griffith apologists are the worst.

Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.
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>>118356945
At least, he'd have kept his injuries to a minimum and could've rebuilt the band of the hawk after Guts saved him.
Griffith was just insane. I think having sex with the princess and mocking the king was a way for him to feel like he had control on something after Guts left. Like, "I can't control Guts? B-b-but I can fuck the princess, and fucking the princess=being king=being the one in charge. It didn't work? Well, I can still insult the king, see, I'm the top dog here. Oh well, not really. Oh Guts, it's been a while. I'M GOING TO MURDER YOUR ASS"
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>>118356980
she's cool with him, except for the constant pain in his vicinity thing
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>>118357041
>Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.

It's really hard to find people like that, but that only goes to show how great of a villain Miura created with Griffith.

Almost everyone hates him and is wants him to get absolutely wrecked by Guts.
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>>118357041
>Are there people who really believe Griffith is beyond being an evil, vile sack of shit? Like Jesus man.
I'm pretty sure some will cry when he dies.
>griffith did nothing wrong
>guts was an asshole and a murderer he left him that's his fault
>why didn't guts move on? griffith stopped being evil
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>>118357043
I know Griffith is supposed to be seen more as someone who lost his humanity trying to make himself in the image of a god, and more than just a simple madman but when it comes to his need for control he really reminds me of Ted Bundy. Like when he sabotaged his own legal defense because he had to be in charge.
>>118357041
Hawk! though I haven't seen her in these threads for a while.
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>>118357086
I think in this scene she might have been reacting to her child that Griffith absorbed.
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>>118357035
I don't see Guts surviving
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>>118356660
I didn't get the impression that he was evil at all at that point, aside from initially trying to strangle Guts, but he was still kind of hallucinating and then his buddies suddenly burst into the dungeon to save him after 2 years.

I don't think Caska suspected anything of him being evil either, and only wanted to stay by him out of pity, albeit surprised that he tried to fuck her given she was under the impression he liked the princess, rather than him doing what he did purely for ambition.
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>>118357229
It's ok if he can kill Griffith before he dies. That's what his life has been for a while. I want Guts to succeed, he deserves it.
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>>118357035
If Guts were ever going to fight his inner beast (absolutely retarded, it's his own soul as confirmed by Schierke) it would only occur if he became an apostle (also retarded)
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>>118356597
>>118356680

I think you have to keep in mind that it's a fantasy story, so it probably doesn't need to be understood in terms of psychological disorders that would be familiar in reality.

In reality some people struggle with inner demons of sorts, which can consume them and turn them into monsters, figuratively speaking. In the world of Berserk, this sort of thing isn't just psychological, it's the actual reality that people can become demons. Dreams/subconscious becoming actual reality is obviously one of the persistent ideas in the story.

So I think it makes sense to look at the hellhound as a kind of literal manifestation of Gut's struggle with his own inner demon, like how people can battle with parts of their nature that they struggle to control, but in this case it takes the actual form of a monster that could actually take over his physical form if he used the behelit to do so.
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Just kill casca, so that Guts can go in full berserker rage and kill Griffith, she is holding him back.
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>>118357229
You mean Guts won't get the happy ending with him living with Caska and being visited by all of the friends he's made on his journey?!

Say it ain't so anon.
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>>118357279
>mfw Zodd wanted to fight exhausted guts directly after that
Fuck's sake, guy.
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>>118357311
Hellhound pls
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>>118357311
Holy shit can you imagine how fucking crazy Guts would go.
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>>118357287
You keep focusing on it as a literal fight. I'm not talking about Guts going into his mind and punching the dog to death, I'm talking about him rejecting what it represents and going all Vinland Saga pacifist so it dissapears.
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>>118357279
>fatherandsonkamehameha.jpg
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>>118357358
I respected Zodd until he became Griffith's bitch.
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>>118357322
What if Casca regains her memories and want to go back to Griffith, then Guts goes in full rage to kill Griffith accidentally kills Casca and later finds out she was mentally manipulated by Griffith.
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>>118357303
I don't expect Guts to literally fight the hellhound. He must restrain him, and the hellhound must devour Guts. It's a psychological battle where each side tries to control the other with words, nightmares and stuff like that.
I think Guts needs to think about the future and come up with a plan to kill the God Hands, that'll probably keep the hellhound restrained for a bit.
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>>118357386
The hound would be all that's left of him.
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>>118357358
Zodd is Guts' biggest fan, he really thinks Guts is the strongest warrior ever.
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>>118357311
Bad puppy, no.
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>>118357440
Are people still pushing that fucking theory?
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>>118357475
Isn't it the case?
>absurdly big weapon
>superhuman strength and durability
>fucking handcanon strong enough to take out Apostles and shit
>went toe-to-toe with him
>can AK-47 crossbow his enemies and throw bombs
>insane reflexes
>sword big enough to parry everything

the only guy strongest than Guts was that magician but that's not exactly a warrior
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>>118357459
I think if she wanted to go back to Griffith the readers would all want Gutts to kill HER instead of Griffith.

But man I would not be surprised if Griffith pulls off some sort of mind fuckery like that, it seems as soon as anyone sees him (besides Gutts) they instantly want to suck his dick.
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>>118357522
>theory
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>>118357522
It's been my personal canon for so long I can't imagine it otherwise.
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>>118357311
I think the whole point of Gut's being the protagonist is that he's supposed to be strong enough to overcome his reckless desire for revenge. That's what makes him different from all the apostles who just indulge in the worst parts of themselves and sacrifice the people they love for power or whatever else they want.

So basically turning it into a revenge story would just make Guts another bad guy.
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>>118357595
Rickert didn't though. I think the only way she'd do that is if she comes back with amnesia and Guts doesn't have the heart to tell her the truth because he's afraid she'll go full retard again.
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>>118357461
The hellhound isn't an issue when their goals overlap.
For example during Black Swordsman,Lost Children and Conviction his hellhound side never hindered Guts.
They only began to "seperate" after rescuing Casca
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>>118357673
Guts' crew can do the talking for him. Telling her she went full potato after Eclipse and that Griffith is a really bad guy should be convincing enough.
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>>118357660
As demonstrated by Black swordsman Guts killed thousands of children

it's a slippery slope mang
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>>118357461
Nah I'm not saying there will be a showdown between them, I'm saying that Guts could actually become Hellhound, similar to how Griffith became Femto. I doubt that will actually happen, but I think the implication is that that's how it works.
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>>118357461
That page just reminded me why I used to like Puck.
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>>118355401
You started at the beginning right?
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>>118357784
They weren't children anymore, there was no saving them.
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>>118357673
True forgot about Rickert, I liked the latest chapters and their focus on him. It shows that not everyone is being deluded into the "utopia" that Griffith created.

I could see Guts keeping quiet about it as well, it's going to be real interesting on how the situation is handled.
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>>118357784
Those children were already dead.
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>>118357143

Agreed. He's such a seriously hateable guy, it's great. One of my favorite villains by far.

>>118357156

His death could be bittersweet in light of how he was before the Eclipse, but even then you could argue that those were his intentions all along. He was using everything and everyone around him to achieve that power for himself. The one man that would work against that plan, and be something absolutely out of his control, would be the straw that broke the camel's back. He's probably as full of hatred for Guts as Guts is for Griffith, even if he thinks he has him under control for now, because Guts has proven to sway against causality once on his own.
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I recently saw a webm on /a/ with that scene where Griffith rapes Casca and Guts cuts off his arm.
I want to start the Manga now and i've read the first three volumes, now i am in the middle of a Guts flashback where he is still a child.

It looks like these three animated movies show Guts past, so i wanted to ask which chapters these movies cover.
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>>118357737
The hellhound is basically urging Guts to go back to his main quest and Guts is trying to suppress it until Casca is safe. Once it's done, he can go hellhound again (without destroying his body too much ofc)

>>118357804
He was a great counterpart to Guts' edge, and a great influence. I can understand Guts' will to stay focused on his goal though.
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>>118357784
>Guts killed thousands of children

I think that's an exaggeration, and the few that he did kill were already monsters.

But yeah, Guts is pretty edgy as the black swordsman, that's part of his slide down to the dark part of himself. But it's pretty clear that now he's trying to protect his group and not give in to the hound. He's obviously nowhere near that edgy anymore.
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What does berserkfags think about Vagabond?
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>>118357883
He keeps deluding himself that he's above feeling anything towards Guts anymore, I really want to see how hit looks when his god persona breaks down and reveals whatever semblance of human emotions he has left.
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>>118357883
Are you saying Griffith still hates Guts because he's struggling against him?
I don't know. Griffith looked euphoric when he met Guts again as Femto and when he reincarnated. As if he felt so victorious that he didn't consider Guts as anything more than an insect anymore.
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>>118357906
DO NOT WATCH THE MOVIES FIRST
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>>118358050
But i already know that Griffith rapes Casca. What else could they spoil for me?
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>>118358003
Amazing and on Hiatus too, why do good manga so moody Miura, Inoue, Togashi, Murata will also follow the suit.
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>>118358090
Negro of Wisdom imparting his knowledge onto, and into, Guts
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>>118358090
It's not about spoilers, it's about an overall inferior presentation.
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>>118357906
They cover the "Golden Age" arc, essentially all of Guts' childhood, excluding flashbacks that happened later, up until the webm you saw
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>>118358090
Basically all of the character development. There's more to a story than just plot points.

Unless you're actually just one of these people who only care about the rape and gore, then go ahead and watch the movies I guess.
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>>118357928
As Flora said.
That dark part of his soul/mind is the only thing that kept and keeps him alive
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>>118358090
The manga is much better than the movies not to mention they're fucking CG

Besides, Golden Age is the best arc.
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>>118358090
The movies are horrible, ugly CGI that's a clusterfuck of skipping content and character development and should not be viewed by anyone.
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>>118358003
Something about that art reminds me of Homunculus
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