Do you?

One day when I've got rich I'll watch my anime legally.

I just watch streaming sites like a faggot. What's the legality of that?

>>118273963
It's a hassle to try and download stuff at my school so I gave up and went to CR

i don't think i do
what does livewatching count as?

I used Daisuki to watch ZZ Gundam but thats it.
Mainly because their selection was and still is too small.

I download but try to spend money on hard copies of the shows I like when they get licensed.
I don't typically go out of my way to watch everything, just a few shows that appeal to me each year.

No.

The only legal way to support creators is to buy the fucking BDs. Fuck off.

>>118273963
Currently it's borderline impossible to do so. Most anime never gets subbed and if it is we get it much later than we do with fansubbers. Fansubs tend to have better translations as well. Older series are mostly only found online on illegal sites. The cost to buy a physical copy in the US is much higher than what most consumers are willing to pay. Funimation is trying their damnedest to make it work and has hired fansubbers before, everyone else tends to flip us the bird

Yo.

>>118274116
Are you one of those people who think that Horriblesubs is a fansub group?

>>118274116
>Most anime never gets subbed
How's the weather in 2005?

>>118274116
At least funimation knew what it was doing with the DBZ dub. Infinitely better than the japanese version, including that soundtrack, nothing beats faulconer.

>>118273963
I am laughing loudly
and not spending money either

>>118274139
But they are a fansub group. It says so on their website.

>>118274139
I hate when they translate hamburger as salisbury steak.

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>paying for shitty cartoons

>>118274139
Nope, that shits ripped straight from Hulu or crunchyroll, don't remember which. I've just been here a while and still consider that stuff very new

>>118274183
This is the only valid opinion in this thread.

Newfags, please shut the fuck up and leave.

>>118274189
so? they still take the time to rip the video, re-encode it and make it available to us. I for one am grateful.

The legal stuff is shit

Whatever the statement on that image was, I was null and void the moment they chose Rosewood as a font.

>>118274229
They don't reencode it and ripping and uploading is done by a bot.

If I like it enough I might buy the DVDs/Blu-Rays from Funi or whoever has it, if anyone does

>>118273963

are fan subs strictly ILLegal?

I always though it was some kind of dubious gray area. Copy right law gets a bit weird when you're talking internationally and the only material being distributed is stuff that shown on TV for free with subs slapped on there which as a fan effort the company has no claim too

>>118274189
So I guess the guys at hulu know their Nihongo pretty well.

I would if there was a good option.

Not fine or good enough, actually good.

Until then, I'll just import a series here and there.

>>118273963
not really, mostly because of this
>>118274183

you see, since some time ago i decided to watch things for free on the internet first and if there is a show/movie/manga i genuinely enjoy i will pay for it.
Unfortunately the amount of shows/movie/manga i would pay money for are like...once every other year.

Now i WOULD watch them on TV if they were airing almost at the same time as the ones in japan and at a decent timeslot. However most don't get over here, those that do are delayed and usually the dub is horrible. The same applies to manga, i would read them in manga magazines, however in my country the magazine that was something like shonen jump eventually got discontinued due to low sales as well.

In other words, unless japan finally decides to stop bothering with quantity over quality i won't pay a single cent, even if the government somehow magically makes it impossible to watch something illegally.

>>118273963
but i fucking hate anime why would i spend money on it

>>118274353
I think it's legal so long as there are no companies bringing it to us

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If Japan decides to officially sub their anime and ship it overseas uncensored on Bluray and has local stores like Walmart and 7-Eleven have it in stock then I'll consider buying it.

>>118274432
What if all the official sources are mediocre pieces of shit garbage?

Do we have to suffer because there's no standard?

>>118273963
I want to hotglue that Mako.

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im not in japan so im not breaking any laws.

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>implying you can't support unlicensed anime by just importing
I wonder if anyone even pointed this out in the responses to that tweet.

>>118274470
I believe it's still illegal, although as a consumer it's kind of what you are supposed to do in this case because they are giving you a low quality product so that they see the drop in sales and change.

>>118273963

>literally paying money to watch something as bad as KLK

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Has there even been any anime recently released in the West that isn't Pokemon and SnK?

No because that's money to licensing companies, not animation studios. Animation studios get their money from tv ads and merchandise, not the show itself.

I do it for free.

>>118274511
I guess the proper response would to just not watch until they shape up, which is ridiculous. They'll never change as long as the bulk of their customer base are the uninformed who don't care about banding, typesetting, or balanced translations.
They'll eat up just anything, and CR or Funi will never have to change.

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I watch all of my anime for free.
I support the ones I really like by buying figmas and collectable shit.
As should anyone who isn't a fucking idiot.

>>118274524
I would pay to forget my experience of ever watching KLK. Shitty shounen.

>>118274598
>shounen
you just convinced me to watch it, thanks pal!

>>118274432
>>118274470
>>118274511

see my understanding was there simply wasn't any law one way or the other.

It's not really legal but it's not ILLegal either because the Japanese rights holders are in Japan and don't care because the cost of going after international copyright claims just isn't worth the effort

>>118273963
I only watch old anime from dead studios.

Going to watch anime for free until there is a convenient and affordable way to download episodes that don't have shit encoding.

For now I'll just continue on with buyfagging hundreds of dollars worth of merch every month for series I enjoy to support them.

>>118274647
Apparently some anons get C&Ds from their ISP, but that may just be because they're downloading torrents in general. I have no idea how that works.

If I Like a show and It has a release in japan with good english subs i'll import it

Otherwise download only

We've been through this through numerous studies conducted by independent parties; pirates spend more than those who don't pirate. Period. End of story. Wish people got off their moral high ground. I pirate all my shit and yet still have a bookshelf filled with manga/light novels in Japanese and English, figures and plushies raping my oxygen in my house, and I still get tickets when I can to see stuff like Madoka movies and Expelled from Paradise (seeing later) when I can. In other words, I get to enjoy all the fucking shit I want AND support whenever I can at the same time. Would I have given something like Madoka a chance if I had to pay $40 for 3 episodes? Probably not. Even if I did, I wouldn't have enjoyed the initial viewing as much if it wasn't for the /a/ threads while it was airing. Same with shit like Code Geass, which had some fun times with the WHOLE BOARD essentially being /Geass/ during its live airings.

>>118274676

You know, buying just one figma a year probably contributes more than a year of CR.

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>>118274595
>believing any merch money makes its way to writers and animators
No different than people who think crunchyroll supports the industry

>>118274449
>$2.49 for gingerbread cake mix
That's a steal, why haven't you bought that yet?

In this day and age anyone can order Blu-rays or merchandise from Japan if they want to. The means for supporting your favourite cartoons are already there.

>>118274729
It isn't just scales and figures, though. I buy the boxes too if I like the series enough. No way in hell would I pay for a streaming service.

>paying money when you can just NOT pay money
>period

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>>118274731
see: >>118274559
The studios get more from merch and stuff. Most of the actual show sales go to the publishers and whatnot.

Besides, I can't pirate figmas until the 3D printing scene really takes off.

>>118274703
>Apparently some anons get C&Ds from their ISP,

It has to be for more than anime

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>>118274718
Well you've successfully said what I wanted to say earlier.What's your opinion on Crunchyroll/Hulu. I am fine with the adds but fucking hate the premium account stuff

>>118274729
If you believe that then you must also believe that CR supports the industry by making shows more widely available and thus encouraging people to buy said figures.

>>118274731
In theory it subsidizes their salaries by making their work more profitable for the industry, basically in the same way that purchasing fish at your local grocer supports, say, the mechanic that fixes a company's fishing boats.

Crunchyroll on the other hand is a whole other can of worms.

>>118274419
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

This'll force us all to either watch anime legally or end up serving prison sentences for piracy.

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>>118274718
>>118274812
>numerous studies conducted by independent parties
>none cited

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>>118274703
Only Japan would give a shit.
No ISP in burgerland will ever care about people pirating anime. They only care about major movies and records.

>>118274839
All that will do is make VPN's far more popular.

>Be an adult
>Work all fucking day
>Spend money on food
>Get home and cook halfway exhausted from work
>Get raped by taxes every paycheck
>Get raped by student loans because MURRIKA
>Get raped by health insurance that you sometimes feel like just opting out of since you don't really care about whether you die or not anyway
>Pay for internet at Comca$t rates because MURRIKA
>Pay rent
>Left with scraps of a paycheck
>Have to decide what I wanna spend it on

Guess what I'm NOT spending it on? Things I can get for free effortlessly. Even if I need to jump through loopholes of shitty DRM cracking, I don't mind.

>>118274851
Remember, in the eyes of the NSA encryption equals someone coming to your house at night and slitting your throat.

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>>118274850
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
http://www.ivir.nl/publicaties/poort/Filesharing_2012.pdf
https://torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-more-movies-121018/
http://piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Copy-Culture.pdf
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/telecoms-research/online-copyright/deep-dive.pdf

>>118274824
No, because casuals don't buy shit. They spend 6 dollars and call it a day. Industry saved.

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>>118274781
Then CR would be no worse for the industry than any Jap TV channel that airs the shows already

>>118274850
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+piracy+hurt+sales

>>118274869
Better than having to watch CR.

>>118274850
That reminds me, I never actually watched the last episode of Rail Wars.

>>118274850
Google little to hard for you to use? Main reason we don't link articles is because of how many there are and how a quick google search will give you tons of results
http://www.geek.com/apps/piracy-research-once-again-shows-biggest-downloaders-spend-the-most-1554798/
https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/06/piracy-film-music-study-pay-illegal-download-damage

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>>118274871

Mamare saying that western popularity of Log Horizon having part in season 2 being green-lit so fast convinced me that it was worth watching stuff on CR.
So if series I like is being simulcast reasonably fast, I watch it there.

Too bad northern Europe gets fucked with licenses every season.

>>118274812
Crunchyroll doesn't actually support the industry much, but it does make things more accessible to people I guess. I don't use it because I'd rather have high quality and because I watch without subs anyway. Never used Hulu, so no comment on it aside from liking how it's getting the jews in the cable industry to dance on quicksand as they try to keep their dead cash cow artificially alive.

>>118274871
>25% of just pirates bought something legally
>9% of the rest of the entire muiti-billion population of Earth bought something legally
Nice graph manipulation. I guess the pretty colors distracted you from actually thinking about what you were being told.

>>118274864
>e an adult
you lost me there, gramps

Even if i wanted i would end up watching anime illegally since the only legal site i know doesn't have all the shows i want to watch on my country so it's their fault for being useless.

>>118274976
Since you only responded to the image and not the post then I guess the pretty graphics distracted you.

>>118274970
So how does crunchyroll dodge supporting the industry? Haven't liked hulu much myself because of how hard they push the premium accounts by delaying popular content for 2 weeks and still give you ads

>>118274871
Not just posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 for the fun.

>>118275070
>So how does crunchyroll dodge supporting the industry
It doesn't actually dodge it, but the amount it gives back is very little.

I think at one point they said they sent back 10 million a year, which is barely anything when it's divied up among so many persons.

I have no sources, so take this all with a grain of salt.

>>118274871
>unc
>gao
>arstechnica
>ivir
>torrentfreak
>piracy.americanassembly
>techdir
>dslreports
Gee, why dont I go to NRA.com and see what they think about guns? Fucking moron

>>118275070
>So how does crunchyroll dodge supporting the industry?
From what I've heard, it's actually opposite. Much of their revenue goes back to Japan, and if you're paying member, your money just goes to shows that you watch.
http://otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/

>>118274864
>Pay for internet at Comca$t rates because MURRIKA
Suck a dick, come back when you have to spend $100 a month for home phone + 100gb cap at 8mbs (bit not byte) speeds just because you don't live directly in the city.

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Yeah, it's just TOO BAD that I can't buy the series I want to watch in the western world.

Does streaming through official channels even make an impact on the studios? I always figured that any money there is to be made from a streamer goes to the licensing companies while the studios have to rely on physical sales.

>>118275154
What's wrong with university of north carolina exactly? Or did you just quote the names of all the sites with no counterargument in mind?

I'd honestly pay like $15-20 a month for a very high quality service.

Highest quality releases translated well and as quickly as possible available for DOWNLOAD. Fansubs usually release the same day or a day after. I wouldn't accept anything slower.

Those same releases available in BD quality upon their respective releases.

All categorized well and no bullshit blackouts/etc. All downloads unlimited and always available in DDL or torrent.

And I would really pay the same amount a month or more for manga scans/translations considering how many things I've read end up dropped, often for good. For every hour I spend watching animu I probably spend 4-5 on manga.

I'd also expect a good chunk of the profits to go to the actual creators.

Shame nothing would ever be this good and would be plagued with licensing/blackout/etc bullshit. I'll just keep pirating and buying figs I guess.

>>118274851
no C&Ds definitely get sent from whoever has it licensed in america. funimation seems to be the biggest offender.

>>118275154
Those are articles with studies about the subject on hand.

You can go ahead and individually discuss all of them, or you can go ahead and post OTHER articles detailing the same subject in a different light, or you could just passive aggresively ignore what they say and pretend that your opinion holds more value.

I pirate because it's simply a better service. I already have a good job and can easily afford a shitty subscription, but why should I if I can get a BETTER QUALITY SERVICE through torrenting?

Until Crunchyroll fixes their obvious bitrate starving banding issues and awful "professional" translations with zero typesetting, I won't pay a single cent into their coffers. Fansubs provide a much more professional service than these "professional" hacks at CR, until Daiz kills fansubbing for good next year.

>>118275292
>any ISP actually giving a fuck about jap cartoon C&Ds outside of narutard shit

The letters they send are fucking meaningless.

>>118275278
This, if CR did this, I'd subscribe.

Be better than what comes out for free and we'll talk, CR.

streaming is shit and I BDs are hella overpriced here

also not illegal since not licensed here
even if it was, piracy is not punished here as long as it's for personal use. Not worth their time to do a good job (or any) so where's the expectation that they should get some of my money like that. Of course I do buy figs and such so it's not like I'm against spending money. It's just, like video entertainment in general these days, it doesn't quite hold much of a value like it used to now that people can do it for free.

>>118275292
And those never go anywhere.

Thread ban please.

The idea of supporting the industry sounds novel at first but really licensing issues and stream quality being simply inferior were the nail in the coffin for me. There are other ways of supporting the creators that don't involve paying for bad service.

>>118275362
Daiz pls go

>>118275334
It would honestly have to be something other than CR. They're too plagued with issues to ever advance to the sort of service I would actually pay money for. That and I would never be able to trust them as a company, either.

>>118275278
>All downloads unlimited and always available in DDL or torrent
gross
xdcc master race
also on a semi related note, after using subscriptions I can't not handle my anime automatically downloading, manual downloading is for plebs

Aren't jap BD prices like 5x more than US BD prices?

>>118275417
yeah
which is why sometimes we get BDs so late, to stop japs from just importing ours and turning off the subs

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>>118275377
He is right though.

What if instead of paying for the anime/manga via shitty subscriptions you sent a direct donation to the creators?
I'm sure it'd be awkward with legalities but I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to do it.

>>118275417
for literally no reason too
if they charged a reasonable amount sales could easily go way. Especially so if the rest of the market is still overcharging.

>>118275412
I'd honestly just prefer to download everything directly if the speeds weren't shit. And I prefer to check and download manually for a few reasons but to each their own.

>>118275417
Yes which is part of the issue about offering a decent service outside of nipland. The elevens worry that their own consumers would turn to the foreign services instead of paying their ridiculous prices.

Though at the same time, those ridiculous BD prices are sort of what is keeping the industry afloat considering the consumer base is so numerically small.

>>118275506
dunno where you're downloading from but xdcc speeds max out my connection. Even then, as soon as the connection opens and it starts sending the file you can start playing it. No need to wait for full DL, assuming your DL speed is reasonable enough to stay ahead.

>support the creators

lamest excuse ever yet it pops up constantly

it's not the creators who are hurt through piracy but producers and funders

people who made a genuine creative effort wont see a dime of any of those sales

there's no need to support any entertainment industry as long as it still earns money on average so producing something is seen as a decent investment

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>>118275499
>if they charged a reasonable amount sales could easily go way.

Someone didn't take Economics 101.

Anime BDs (and other anime merchandise in general) are an extremely inelastic market, because it's very niche. Reducing the price by a lot will not benefit the industry as much as you think it would. The market price is set because that's where the equilibrium is, after all these years. Refer to pic related.

>>118273963
>watch subbed TVrip
>illegal
Kek, the Illegal one is if you watch it in BD release

Who the fuck would waste their money for shit like the broadcast of Ore, MSPaint ni Naritai?

>>118273963
When they decide to sell it at reasonable prices on sites like Amazon so I can purchase it without dealing with import bullshit.

>>118275493
Sort of already happens. Just look at what went down with LWA2. Trigger raked in some serious cash from non-japanese consumers. It's a shame more don't follow a similar example. Though a medium other than kickshitter would be preferable.

>>118275546
I've never really messed with xdcc but with a DDL that isn't throttled my speed is faster than I can even really use.

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>>118274456
I wouldn't mind picking up the new BD at my 7-Eleven along with a big gulp and hot dog.

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I pirate and buy the shit out of shit I care about.

Fuck giving a penny to the western industry, though.

>>118275575
nonsense, the market is just like that mainly due to the entry cost. I'm not saying make them $20 and call it a day but surely they can find a lower price but make up for it in sales numbers. Indie games found it with humble bundles. Not saying that's a perfect or ideal method. The problem about the high cost is because they're just using up a shrinking market share. Without having prices at a suitable level for impulse (or close to impulse) buys, you're just taking them to the cleaners time and time again, and eventually, the cash is gonna stop flowing.

>>118275662
>>118274456
>your copy of Kodomo no Jikan comes out to $24.99 would you like your receipt?

My social anxiety would kill me. Online or bust.

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Last DVD I buyfagged was the El Hazard collection, long awaited (at the time) and much hyped. The first 30 seconds of sub invalidated any claims about quality control.

Last manga I buyfagged was the first 14 volumes of Zetsubou Sensei. It's been stalled there for a few years, without any word as to whether it's been dropped, or delayed for some obscure legal reason, or whatever.

So yeah, fuck shelling out money to companies that pick up the official licenses.

Do you guys remember when Viz released a volume of the Shana light novels? Me neither.

>>118275797
Yeah volume releases suddenly stopping is why I never got into much manga buyfaggotry. What's the fucking point in owning a quarter of a series? Or releases that come out years after they are ever relevant?

>>118273963
eat shit and die

>>118274183
>spends loads of times watching shitty cartoons
>makes retarded excuses why not pay for it
Why are you watching shit?
>>118274212
>This is one of many retarded opinions in this thread.
FTFY

to those of you who pay for CR, know this:

>the encodes, although praised by the fansubbing community for finally getting their shit together after all these years, are still deemed as garbage encodes with shit tier bitrates and banding out the ass. You are PAYING for a poor quality streaming service.

>the translations are rushed and there is always a mistake or two in there. There is literally NO typesetting (or at least typesetting that would get a pass in QC).You are PAYING for typos, mis-translations, and horribly placed text.

>If money was actually going to the "Creators" based on the shows you watch, you'd constantly be getting multiple seasons of your favorite shows (aside from the big 3 which are inherently shit anyway) year after year. Bumoney doesn't go directly to the studios that actually made the product. First it get's split up into payroll for CR. Whatever is left goes to the publishers. That is to say, the TV stations which licensed the simulcast with CR to begin with. It gets split up and most of it goes to the TV station's payroll, and whatever crumbs are left get divided amongst the various anime studios that happen to have their work allowed to be shown on CR. Just like with music artists with big record labels in the states today, a majority goes to the publishers while the artists themselves get crumbs (hence everyone releasing their album online now). Don't get me wrong, the revenue in that industry is still huge, but when you compare licensing chinese cartoons to it; which is already a small enough niche market as it is, it's a drop in the bucket. you are PAYING for TV station employees in Japan. Not the actual creators directly.

you want to support the creators?

BUY THE FUCKING BLU-RAYS.

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>>118274139
>>118274189
Welcome to /a/ newfriends, maybe lurk more before posting next time.

>>118274598
But since you wouldn't remember watching it in the first place, you would likely watch it again and waste even more of your time.
And then you want to forget watching it again so you pay even more money and the cycle continues

>>118275912
>BUY THE FUCKING BLU-RAYS
And that's just another matter of being fucked in the ass.

I will just buy figmas, thank you very much.

>>118275912
>BUY THE FUCKING BLU-RAYS.
I'll just buy keychains

>>118275881
dook pls

>>118273963
No, I'm not interested in stuff soiled by subtitles

>>118275985
I watched it as it aired so I didn't knew better then.

>>118275895
Exactly what we need. More newfag babies.

>>118274456
That would kill the fucking Japan market. Nips would just import the overseas releases which would be cheap as hell compared to prices they have over there.

Come on anon, don't you know anything about chinese cartoon economics?

>>118276124
I honestly don't, I just wanted a convenient way to spend money.

>>118276124
Why can't they just add "for release only in (country)" in the cover?

>>118276157
They've tried a lot of stuff over the years.

Things like making a dvd/bd/ps2/etc programmed to not play overseas releases, even.

>>118276157
Third-party distributors.

>>118276113
Yeah sure, answer the question faggot.
If anime is so shitty, not worth buying, why do you spend so much time watching it?
Are you masochist or just plain retarded?

>>118276225
Man, as a Flip, I don't know if such a thing ever existed here. The only options for watching anime "legally" aside from imports is through cable and shitty dubs.

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>>118273963
how is the one piece manga I was thinking about buying it

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I download horriblesubs and play the rips with MPC and madVR, but I still pay for a CR account because I'm not some faggot who believes that I'm entitled to someone else services for free.

>>118276245
Just go back to reddit.

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>>118273963
>P-please give us money, w-we are the good guys

>>118276372
Thank you merchant, you are my best friend.

>>118276336
Well doesn't someone have an incredible amount of unwarranted self importance. Do you feel better than everyone else because you can dish out $10 a month?

>>118276336
>CR
Sad

>>118276385
No problem goyim-kun, don't forget to import the DVDs and figurines! You don't want us poor animators to starve in another shoa because of your greed, don't you?

>>118276388
No, just those who don't and still use the services and then feel the need to shit on everyone else who does pay.

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>>118273963
I torrent everything.
Every god damn thing.
Even my car.

>>118276336
You realize that they will never change if you pay them, right?

It's called voting with your wallet.

>>118276448
I'm content with how things are now.

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Threadly reminder that fansubbing kills the anime.

>>118276476
How does one achieve such low standards?

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>>118276481
>over 6 million downloads in a given week

>>118276368
Thanks for the concession, idiot.
At least stop spouting hypocritical bullshit when you spend all your waking hours watching 'shit'.
>>118276435
>goyim-kun
It's 'goy'. Goyim is plural, retard. If you want to play jew on teh interwebs at least do it properly.

>>118276481
Somebody have that image of a Jew pouring water into a fountain and the title saying:
"What have fansubs contributed to anime?"

With fucked up translatiosn and shit.

>>118276268
There's 75 volumes at about $10-$20 each (I think).

fucking Daiznurp

>>118276512
By remembering finicky as fuck fansubbers who would drop shows for god knows what reason and no longer having to pray that a certain anime you wanna watch would get subbed since CR basically subs everything airing.

>>118273963
If they want to support the creator buy BD and the source material if not-original, CR and other greedy middleman don't give them shit.

Too bad plebs can't even understand that.

>>118276481
>fansubbing revives the anime
Fansubs help introduce media to an audience that would not have seen it otherwise. Some of that audience then purchase BDs/ect. bringing in profit that would otherwise not have occurred.

Who's the best Hentai subber?

>>118276601
That's something the anime zaibatsus have refused to believe since god knows when.

>>118276448
The problem with voting with your wallet is it doesn't really work in an area with a large number of people.
Take vidya for example, want to boycott the next bordermemes? They don't give a fuck, there are 500,000 other people begging to throw their money at the game.
Normals are content with shit.

I sure hope funimation willl translate and release those BDs after airing the anime on TV.

>>118274178
You seriously cannot be this retarded

>hanbaagu
Salsbury steak. It's literally a steak. A meat patty with sauce on top.

>hanbaaga
A hamburger.

>>118276629
Then don't pay them anymore. Just get it for free, it ain't worth paying for and they won't fix it if you do.

Might as well take it.

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>>118276654
Daisuki suki

>>118276678
Which is what I do, what I'm saying is it doesn't really change anything.

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>>118276680
If only burgers were actually that big and tasty looking in murrica. Either that or those girls have tiny as fuck mouths.

>>118276717
Then why pay them?

They don't deserve it.

>>118273963
I watch anime ethically, not legally
Meaning that, I as the consumer, watch a show and then upon seeing what it's worth to me, send money to the creators.

Long story short: Most anime isn't worth shipping money overseas, much less shipping psychical copies of the shows overseas.

Asking me to pay for a product that I have not yet been able to determine is worth the money I am spending is unethical and frankly fucking retarded.

>>118274976
>population

>"the rest of the entire multi-billion population of Earth"

You do realize 'population' is a term referring to survey samples, right?

>>118276739
I'm not the original guy saying he pays for CR, I just wanted to say voting with your wallet doesn't really work.

I saw a Crunchyroll ad on Comedy Central the other day.

They are the big daddies of anime now.

Just embrace your new overlords.

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>>118276783
>They are the big daddies of anime now.
They show up on my xbox dashboard too.

All it does is make me hungry for eggrolls though.

>watch roosterteeth stuff (mainly podcasts)
>they openly talk about crunchyroll/naruto/korra/fairy tail last one's partially because one of their VA's is working on the dub
>even the weebs of the company do
It hurts, they're such god damn normalfags.

>>118276829
How does sushi make you hungry for eggrolls?

>>118276783
Soon you'll be hearing about their stocks on the NASDAQ.

Let's say I read 15 manga in a year. If the average length of of a series is 10 volumes, and the average price of a volume is 15 dollars, then:

10 x 15^2 = $2250

You think a NEET can afford that? gr8 b8 meight

>>118276890
>only reads 15 manga a year
If we assume 1 "manga" includes an entire volume, that's only about 150 chapters.
Shit I can do that in less than a week.

>>118273963
No. How else would I watch Amagi Brilliant Park?

But seriously, only the distribution is illegal, so I'm still law-abiding either way.

>>118276922
I don't think that's the point
at all

>>118276922
It's a conservative estimate, given that very few manga are licenced and published in English.

>>118276936
>only the distributiin is illegal
>what is seeding torrents

>>118276971
>seeding

>>118276971
I'm ok then, my client sends fake data to trackers and I don't seed anything.
Wouldn't want to do anything illegal.

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>>118276978
>torrenting
>not http ddl from sketchy chinese filehosting

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>>118276999

>>118276999
>not using non-sketchy non-throttled anonfiles links on animetosho

>>118276999
How does every single facial expression on every single love live manage to be so amusing?

>>118277021
>stupid resolution
>horrible quality

>>118276864
You're the one watching and listening to RoosterTeeth.
You're the normalfag here.

>>118277071
make a better one

please

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>>118277053
I wouldn't know

>>118277072
Not to that degree.

>>118276864
>roosterteeth
Who?
>naruto/korra/fairy tail
>korra
Ha.

>In Japan, you can watch anime live on tv for free and never buy any merchandise or BDs or anything
>With modern digital boxes, you can record your favorite episodes and never delete them, so they're on demand 24/7
>Somehow exposing global audiences to your product with fansubbing isn't similar to giving it away for free on Japanese TV

>>118276680
Damn it's hypnotizing

>>118277256
You watch it with commercials, dipshit.

>>118277256
TV has ads, you can't get away from those with digital boxes. You used to be able to, but I'm pretty sure some law was passed making it so they couldn't completely skip them.

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>paying for something you can watch for free on tv

>>118274456
This.

"Legally" watching anime nowadays means either upt up with CR/Funi streams (which are shit, can't download, the selection isn't the same worldwide and you have to pay for it), watching dubs (terrible 99% of times, plus coming years after the actual anime airing and only a minuscle amount of shows gets dubbed, usually the most popular and likely shit ones) or importing BDs (which means adapting to otaku absurd pricing, plus shipping fees, and most of the time aren't subbed).

The only one i'd consider would be the last one, but that would mean paying 70-90 euros (depeding on release and shipping location) for 2-4 episodes, likely not subbed.


The best thing would be have "foreign" BD releases market with our price standards and incorporated subs, but that's not happening.
For a lot of reasons, from >>118276124 to the usual "Who cares about anything outside glorious Nippon" attitude.

Personally i expect the bubble to pop sooner or later though.
Having the industry being supported by the small dedicated otaku fanbase willing to spend thousands of bucks (in yen, i mean) for a couple of shows isn't sustainable in the long-term to me.

No. I would if legal options offered the same convenience and quality as illegal ones for the same cost, but at the moment this is not the case.

>>118277321
>>118277329
TV ads don't matter. Their methods are different from the western ones, so ads do shit for anime. And they are really just ads airing during another ad is airing (the anime itself). Even if it is original what you are watching on the TV is still nothing but an ad for the BDs and merchandise.

>>118273963
Never, and i'm not going to. Maybe if i become fuckton rich.

>>118277092
What episode?

>>118273963
I do have a Crunchy account, so for the most part I do.

>>118275712
>Kino's journey
>Yotsubato
>Haruhi
>Otoyomegatari
>Vinland saga
>Zetsubou sensei

People often ask me why I've spent years studying moon, a collection like this reminds me why. If this is your room, anon, you have terrific taste.

I'm currently halfway through the first volume of Kino's Journey, it's my first LN and I'm loving it. Do you buy your books on amazon or is there a different site/store you use?

>>118275154
>Bashing the NRA when they actually know what the fuck they're talking about

Sure mate, ask your local politician about those scary 'assault' guns with the 30 bullet clips.

>>118275712
>I pirate and buy the shit out of shit I care about.
This. Namely for manga.

Learning nip isn't a feasible thing for me, so have to put up with localized releases.
At least where i live it's a pretty big thing, and can cover the few holes with English releases.

I'd totally drop money on nip volumes, but buying stuff i can't read (or can only read in scan while having the physical relase in library) it is taking it a bit too far for me atm.

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>>118276527
>hey guys i've just joined 4chin community :3
My little anon can't be this new

>>118277760
Does the average citizen really have more to fear from an assault rifle than a handgun anyway? Either one will make you dead as shit, and the handgun is much easier to conceal anyway, usually more obvious if a guy is carrying a rifle.

>>118277711
Thanks, anon.
Everything there is mine, yeah.

I usually buy them at Kinokuniya (overpriced as fuck) whem I'm in the US, or bulk buy while in Japan. They're especially cheap as fuck at places like book-off. I once got the first four volumes of watamote (pristine condition) for less than 4 bucks.

>>118277924
>if what I'm saying is a meme nobody can call me out for being retarded

No, retard.

>>118276124
And this is why their industry is dying and not making money.

A simple illustration, if a series cost a studio £1mil to make, and they sell 5k BDs to the domestic nip market, then they would need to be priced at $200 each to break even.

If they sold the same series to everyone in the world, they could potentially get 50k copies sold, then to break even they just need to sell at $20 each, a much more reasonable price. Yes that price would include their domestic customers so there would be no "back-importing".

If you look at the wider industry, catering for a larger market ALWAYS beats serving a niche.

>KLK fags

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>>118273963
> to support the creator of the work
1cent at a time

>>118277971
Maybe if they didn't price them so high they would sell more copies though. The problem is that they've effectively priced everyone but the most hardcore fans out of the medium. And yeah, if they lowered their prices the sales wouldn't increase proportionally overnight, because people are still used to not buying that stuff, but over time I think it would. Studios just aren't willing to take the temporary loss in sales for a long-term more sustainable business model.

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I don't give money to CR and no amount of shaming of newfag shitposting will ever get me to give those fucking shitty ass jews any more money than they already get.

Maybe if they didn't have a monopoly and delivered higher quality service I would, but they don't, so fuck off.

>>118278011
But they don't have a monopoly. There are other services like Funimation, also more "mainstream" services like Netflix are starting to carry more anime now.

>>118278011

I enjoyed hearing your opinion.

>>118273963
Why would I pay for something, when it's less of a hassle to get it for free?

>>118277971
The transition isn't as easy as you might think, and even if we're talking about "the whole fucking world fanbase" vs "domestic dedicated otaku supporters" there's no clue about how much interest there actually would be for physical releases of subbed-only anime.
Nips hate taking risks.

>>118278007
>Maybe if they didn't price them so high they would sell more copies though.
I think that some shows tried to lower the BD prices and didn't observe any noticeable change in sales.
Sure, there's a lot more into it that price alone (actual show quality, extras like tickets/artbooks, etc) but as long as for them "It works" they won't change the system.

>>118278007

Spot on, although I don't think it will take too long for the market to adapt to new lower prices. For example if they released BD sets for some of my favourite series tomorrow locally for $20 I'd snatch them up instantly. And many here would do the same.

Why they don't take that risk and potentially win big is beyond me...

>>118278031
They have a monopoly on just about everything and it allows them to become complacent

>and delivered higher quality service
Still don't see that happening any time soon because of the first point. They just don't give a fuck.

>>118278064
I'm fairly certain there are more than 50k people in the world willing to shell out $20 for a BD boxset. 50k people out of the entire population is practically nothing, and anime isn't as an obsecure hobby as you think. It will involve a potentially fairly risky first launch to get an idea of customer numbers (risk reduced by careful market analysis), but you can't win big if you don't take risks.

Also the reason it didn't work is because they didn't cut prices enough. A $200 boxset marked down to $150 isn't likely to attract much more sales. They need to be much more aggressive in pricing tactics.

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>mp3 piracy kills the music industry
>movie piracy kills the movie industry
>software piracy kills the software industry

Keep believing it, goy. And don't even think about saying how it distributes content and makes people more aware of its existence and potentially opens a new market.

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>streamfags
FUCK THIS THREAD

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>>118278149

>>118278139
>>118278069
See under

>>118278064
>Nips hate taking risks.

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>>118278167
SOON

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>>118278181

>>118278145
>makes people more aware of its existence
>1000 new people become aware
>996 of those still continue to pirate because why the fuck not?
>4 start buying shit
>EPIC WIN
I don't care for content producers and I pirate 95% of my shit but I find these kinds of excuses ridiculous.
>we're not pirating were doing free advertising for everyone

>>118278064
>I think that some shows tried to lower the BD prices and didn't observe any noticeable change in sales.

Well obviously it's not going to change overnight. The people who aren't buying BDs right now aren't just going to one and all start buying them the instant prices drop, it's simply not how things work.

However once the market has had time to adapt I think they will find a lot more interest if the price were lower, with eventually more money for everyone. It's just difficult to get there since no one wants to be the one losing money while they're waiting for it to happen.

>>118278168
Yeah...

But it honestly feel like the bosses of these studios never took business management basics....

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>>118278198

>>118278216
You 'avin' a fookin' giggle, m8?

>>118278216
Don't fuck it up this time

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>Giving crunchyshit money

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>>118278216
>>118278245
MAGIC HAND

>>118278200

Music artists get most of their income from concerts, the ones spouting shit about piracy are the archaic, worthless jew record companies.

Movies get most of their income from theatrical releases, the profit from dvds is absolutely marginal. If a movie flops financially, it's because nobody went to see it in theatre, not because nobody bought the dvds.

Software companies get money from publishers, so they lose no money because of piracy. The reason why software piracy exists is because it is extremely overpriced and often has a fucktarded DRM model. https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/software._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_mostpopular.html Paying jewdobe every month to use their program? u wot m8?

No fucking way I'm streaming nor give CR money
And what

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>>118278294
>333

>>118278333
Thread over.

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>>118278333

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>>118278333
Thread ends here, everybody go home.

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>>118278333

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>>118278333
Goddamn son
inb4 janitor

>>118278333
You little shit.

>>118278203
No if you lower prices nothing will change because there is no demand for product, instead of 4000 sold copies for 6000￥ you will sell 5000 copies for 2000￥
also >>118278333 nice trips

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>>118278333
>>118278333

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I somerimes buy BDs of stuff I really love (10/10's) just for collecting purposes

Other than that I will never pay for crunchyshit or other streams as long as they keep being awful quality in every area

BD rips and fansubs for me

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>>118278333
Fuck you GET man

>>118278333
Thank you, Based Bateman, killing a shitty cancer thread.

>>118275322

This. I have 2 of those letters sitting on my counter right now. Been torrenting for years and nothing has ever happened. I'm just waiting for the FBI to come crashing into my house with a swat team in the middle of the night.

>>118278380
It boils down to wether or not the market is elastic. I'm not an economist but I'm sure with a little help from a professional the owners of these studios can determine the market elasticity and determine a price accordingly.

Also the nip market may be saturated, but I'm sure as hell the international market isn't. Also they have like zero competition which helps aggresive growth.

>>118275191
> living in rural canada
>paying $160\month for tv phone and internet
>tv is useless, 200 channels of shit
>30gb cap, 1mb/s at best, usually much slower

get on my level

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>>118278333
You didn't fuck it up.

>>118275191
>having a home phone
I shit you not but cellphones work just as good at this, I already replaced my home phone with my own cellphone and I don't have to get raped by that too

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>>118278333
Jesus fucking Christ

>>118278333
GOD DAMN IT

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>>118278566

>>118278145
Videogames I know, but
>Dragon Age Inquisition uses an uncracked DRM
>Mysteriously on track to sell the least out of any of the titles
Look at all those lost sales they're now making money from!

>>118278650
>Mysteriously
It's because it's shit m8
Everyone already gave up on the series way back.

>>118278695
Oh I know that the game is just as shit as it's always been, but it's nice to see that they can't use 'muh lost sales/piracy' as an excuse for things selling horribly any more, and it's a pretty surefire sign that no, piracy doesn't magically ruin your sales.

>>118278333
reported