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Why is he such a faggot holy shit
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>>117771381
its science
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>>117771381
She's a girl now and therefore straight.
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>>117771381
>he
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HE
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>>117771659
HAS
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>>117771697
A
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>>117771741
DIIIICCCCK
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>>117771787
IRL
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>>117771772
Girls can have dicks, anon.
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>>117771381
What is this low quality Caster ripoff?
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>>117771787
Naotsugu can provide her with one as needed.
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HE HAS A BAD SMILE
HE HAS NO CHOICE
THIS DRUID HAS
A GRATING VOICE
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Marie >> Tetra. Naotsugu better not NTR her I swear
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>>117771848
He buddy I think you got the wrong door, the futa party's two blocks down.
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>>117772101
It's fine, Jun became a girl.
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>>117772002
He doesn't, Naotsugu and Marie are basically married in all but name by this point and they care very deeply about each other
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>>117772268
I don't see the difference. He was practically already a girl, he was a girl in his own mind and promptly looked like a girl. Genitalia means nothing if the person does not feel one with it. Jun actually believed in his own mind that he was a female, we can all be girls too if we just believe.
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>>117772348
>tfw that cool as hell little blue haired kid will never be with Marie instead of "lol panties so funny" Naotsugu
It hurts me deeply.
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>>117772555
Get fucked trip cuck.
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>>117772676
Can we not do this ? It sounds stupid.
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>>117772676
1. I'm not a trip
2. It's not a cuck if Shoryuu has shown more interest than Naotsugu has during the entire anime (i.e 0 )
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>>117772751
>I'm not a trip
Not what I was referring to.
>he even knows the character's name
Look at him and laugh.
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>>117772522
I would say that having a vagina probably does make a difference during the physical act of love.

http://exhentai.org/s/cd7f2f27bc/57697-830
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>>117772831
It's pretty tough not to know character names when they come up in text boxes in Log Horizon. Is it bad that I like the series?
And what were you reffering to?
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I don't remember this guy at all.

Did he ever talk in the anime?
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>>117773562
マジで!?
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>>117773562
No, she was just part of Krusty's revenue during the goblin assault.

>inb4 pronoun troglodytes
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>>117771478
he made Souji a girl, a cute one at that, so hes ok in my book.
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>>117776021
F-from such a height...
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>>117771381
Anon, Tetra has been a girl since the apocaplypse which was months ago, story wise.

Her personality has long since changed and adapted to her new female body.

Tetra is 100% girl, in both body and mind and entirely happy about it. Mamare has confirmed this. You wont fool anyone with your bullshit.
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>>117776165
>Mamare has confirmed this.
Where?
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>>117776199
In one of his posts here and in the LNs themselves.

Stop being such a secondary.
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>>117776021

THAT HEIGHT!!
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>>117775394
>>>/v/
>>>/pol/
>>>/out/
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>>117776165
He is not 100% girl. He IS becoming 100% girl. It is different anon.
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>>117776728
No.

She IS 100% girl. Physically, she was 100% girl the moment the apocalypse happened. Mentally and emotionally she has become 100% girl in the time that they have been in the elder tales world.

Dont get me wrong, all the cases of this in LH are unique. The personality change happens at different speeds depending on the person. But Tetra was more than happy with her new body and the transition to female personality occured quickly.

She is 100% girl in every facet in the Elder Tales World. This is a cast iron fact.
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>>117776901
This.

Anyways, people saying otherwise are 99% of the time out to shitpost, so pay them no attention.
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>>117776901
>physically, she was 100% girl the moment the apocalypse happened

How disappointing.
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>>117777077
Fuck off, namefag.
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>>117772268
I hate it!

>>117776165
What I wonder if everything about his personality became girl like or he was always like this.
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>>117777365
All the evidence suggests that she was very happy with the change and got used to it quickly.
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>>117777445
*he
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>>117777521
Ebin maymay, /b/ro
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>>117777077
pédé!
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>>117777699
Homo!
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>>117778230
>We'll have to wait 10 years for the next book to be translated.
The pain is too much.
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>>117778335
We just have to pray that some Moon wizard will get bored enough to do it
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>Expect trap
>Just gender bended male
I'm disappointed
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>>117778478
There are tons of traps out there. Genderbent characters are much rarer.
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>>117778414
There are no heroes left in man, Anon.
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>>117778478
Gender bender is love.
>>117778566
It's funny seeing you around in all GB/TG threads, both in /a/ and /d/. Cheers!
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>>117778656
>GB threads on /d/
I thought /d/ only liked gross stuff
I didn't think they would discuss best fetish, nor would the pure hearted Mai Olev go there
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>>117778698
Had gone there a couple of times some months ago, though from what I had seen there was little discussion going on and not much of interest getting posted. Has that changed?
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>>117778698
There's always a TG thread going around on /d/. And I do specially remember him/her on those threads.

Anyways, back to LH: Why haven't we seen more Tetra? I've been waiting for her during the whole Cursed Sword arc.
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>>117778820
Tetra is literally the worst and most annoying character in all of LH
And I have a big TG fetish
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Tetra is love and Tetra is life. There is not a thing that Tetra did that was wrong.
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Speaking of Log Horizon and especially the last episode are Shiroe and the rest of the raiders in complete scrubs or is Elder Tale such a pleb tier MMO that no one there has never encountered a hard enrage till now?
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>>117779285
That dungeon is something that was never in the game. It's not meant to be completable, as such.
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You're brought into the world of the last MMORPG you played

How cute are you?
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>>117779285
I really have to proofread before posting....
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>>117779366
Very cute.
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>>117779366
I always play as a little girl whenever it gives me the option in MMORPG's. Why would I want to stare at a big muscly armed hairy man when I play? I'd much rather stare at a cute little girl.
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>Decide to play a girl in a mmo one day for fun
>Get stuck in the game world
>It starts to warp your mind
>End up craving Dick

Such is life in the Database
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>>117780284
You expected this, you secretly wanted this, when you chose a female avatar. Don't complain.
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>>117779366
I normally play a male character in MMOs (the exception being games with set genders for character classes like Vindictus). I think the last MMO character I had played was a male human mage in WoW, so I wouldn't be very cute.
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>>117780321
I don't know if I'd be comfortable craving for male penis. I would play as a girl to feel cute and pretty, not to be a homo.
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>>117776901
So she's not a boy, at all?
Like, she hangs around naotsugu but she thinks it's okay because they are from the opposite genders?
Interest lost.

What about the times she dies?
Shiroe and Akatsuki saw themselves in their old world bodies. What does Tetra see when she dies? Did she kill herself enough to forget that she was once a boy or something?
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>>117778230
When did Shirou get such big tits?
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>>117780517
On the moon they are their Elder Tales selves.

Its only in their introspective flashbacks just after they die and before they wake up on the moon do they see themselves in their old real-world forms.

So, no. In the Elder Tales world Tetra is absolutely and completely a girl.
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>>117779366
Not that cute, actually. When I do play female characters in RPGs, they are most commonly big breasted, pornstar-looking girls. Having a TG fetish myself, this setting allows me to fantasize of big strong men ravaging me.

I've started playing Guild Wars 2 following this trope, and I can only say I wait for the day the Database is real.
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>>117778857
Tetra is awesome, please go fuck yourself.

Most annoying character is objectively Minori.
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>>117780321
But I play female characters in mmos because I figured if I'm going to have an ass in front of me all day it might as well be one I'm attracted to.
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>>117780767
Minori was my worst chara until S2, which she has barely appeared in.

>>117780789
Well now you have an ass you're attracted to behind you all day.
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>>117780831
Or maybe no longer attracted to it.
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>>117779285
Wiping is a fundamental part of top tier progressive raiding, bro.

Fight boss. Wipe. Learn where you went wrong. Change tactics. Wipe again. Rinse and repeat.

You may have not experienced this as you rely on the raid boss tactics guides the top guilds post after spending hours smashing the face on the same boss. Shiroe and co only wiping once when fighting newer and harder content that is above their average gear level is an incredible feat in itself.
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>>117780909
He probably doesn't even know what a progression guild is.
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>>117780284

Dont complain. This is the future you chose and that you craved.
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thought this was a third for health for 30 year olds
go back to your business plebians
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>>117779285
>hurr durr whenever I raid I have already read up on all the tactics and strategies the top tier raiders have posted for me on phatboss

Those top tier raiders didnt have anyone handing out easy tactics. Those tactics that you skimmed and then listened to your two-bit raid leader bark at you were often created from hours upon hours of players better than you dying repeatedly on the same boss and making tiny little gains each time.
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>>117780909
>You may have not experienced this as you rely on the raid boss tactics guides the top guilds post after spending hours smashing the face on the same boss.

It's pretty difficult to understand how much more effort it takes for the guilds that do stuff before guides exist unless you've been there yourself.
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>>117780831
>>117780887
>Transported into video game
>Female avatar has a big nice ass
>tfw you realize it's your ass
>tfw female asses don't turn you on anymore
>Instead you find yourself attracted to the male players walking by you
It's a cruel world we live in, a cruel world.
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>>117781153
>female asses don't turn you on anymore because your body is suddenly female

This is patently absurd.
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>>117781153
That can't be. I wouldn't let it be.
My passion for the female ass would surely let me remain a lesbian. If not at least bisexual.
I mean, trans people exist or something so surely this is nothing in the face of my lust.
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>>117781229
You'd probably retain your attraction to girls.
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>>117781153
If I'm bisexual, would I no longer be attracted to anyone?
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>>117781066
>mfw the Guildmaster of Honesty is one of those faggots that takes all the hard earned tactics and strategy of the hardcare raiding guilds and gives them away to scrub guilds
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>>117781483
You what mate?
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>>117778230
>>117778414
remember kids this is what shiroe's taste are like
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>>117781168
>>117781353
Chances are you would probably be attracted to men, actually. Remember that this isn't taking out your brain and putting it into a female body, it is actually changing every atom of you body so as to make a female one.

The brain depends just as much on biology as psychology, While it is true you would retain your memories of being attracted to women (as shown in LH), every day of your body constantly pumping out estrogen would surely have some effect in your mind.

Add to that the fact that every time you die you lose part of your memories, which is exactly the only thing tying you down to your previous sexuality, and you've got pretty slim chances of staying attracted to females.

Unless you propose a dualist understaing of sexuality, to which I would reply with uncontrolled laughter.
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>>117781483
>mfw anon is terrified that everyone will get better than him unless he has some kind of special snowflake advantage

That is some serious babby thinking. You would never, ever make it into a serious guild.
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>>117781715
>special snowflake advantage
>literally wiping for hours to find out a way to actually kill the boss that morons can then copy
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>>117781674
>estrogen makes you attracted to men
Wow can I see your endocrinology degree?
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>>117779366
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>>117781751
It sounds like you're majorly disgruntled that the cool kids never let you play in their group. Maybe wiped to a lot of old content in PUGs because you couldn't maintain enough composure and maturity to work together with a decent guild, that sort of thing. Rather typical.
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>>117781483
How long it takes to get the first kill is all that matters.

Who cares about what scrub guilds do months later? No one will remember them.
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>>117781857

Anon, I was one of those "cool kids". I am bitter about it partly because I was always bitter about people leaching our tactics and partly because now I look back at it, it was such a retarded thing to be so invested in.

So many hours wasted doing the fucking graveyard run.
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>>117781851
The character customisation in black desert is a thing of beauty.

I've been waiting for an mmo that goes further than letting you choose from a few premade hairstyles, and here it is.
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>>117781674
Hormones don't change sexuality like that.
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>>117781751
Not only is there no real advantage to hoarding secrets/strategies to yourself, it is unlikely that any guild operating under that mentality is going to have the level of talent and cohesiveness to actually be one of the progression guilds generating those strategies.
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>>117779366
Female sun elf in Neverwinter. Sexy wizard robes. Pretty cute.
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>>117781168
Sexual orientation is principally rooted in brain structure. The brain is sexually dimorphic and homosexuals have brains that in some respects resemble those of the opposite sex. And there have been experiments on animals where exposing the embryonic brain to hormones that the opposite sex would receive results in animals that display sexual behavior normally found in the opposite sex. Therefore, if the character's brain changed in these respects during the transformation, it would make sense for the character's sexual preferences to be altered.

I'm not saying that one's sexual orientation would necessarily have to change (after all one could imagine a character ending up with what was effectively a lesbian brain), but the idea that it could happen seems plausible enough.
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>>117781929
>I am bitter about it partly because I was always bitter about people leaching our tactics
Many of the basic tactics you used and took for granted were painstakingly created by those who came before you; we all stand upon the shoulders of giants Anon
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>>117782030
>body changes
>character has same personality
>BUT NOE THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO BOYS :^)
Yeah you're an idiot even by your own logic.
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>>117780372
That's unexpected
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>>117782073
Is that supposed to be some sort of refutation?
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>>117782030
Log Horizon does seem to have mind body duality as canon though. The body and mind are in the same place now, which is why memories are lost, but they're still separate things. Of course it's magic, so writers can do whatever the hell they want.
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>>117782073

Im not the person you are arguing with, but in Log Horizon all that is stated is that people who are now of the opposite sex because the apocalypse slowly undergo personality and perference changes.

Nothing psychological or biological here. Its pure Database magic making them fit their new avatars.
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>>117782181
>and perference changes
I don't recall this ever stated. Hell, even the personality changes could be explained by socialization. The voice changes, but that really doesn't imply everything else does too.
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>>117781770
I wouldn't say it is determinal, which is why I used "would surely have some effect". Together with the memory loss, think of youself a year into the Database:

You have died a lot by now, you don't even remember how you looked before the event, but you are pretty sure you were male (you distinctly remember some interaction with someone, maybe your dad congratulating you when you graduated school, or something). You have learned to cope with the female body quite quickly, having used the advice from your female friends: you now take good care of your hair and face, know how to put on a bra properly, learn how to control periods, you have even acquired the habit of looking at guy's eyes so as to make sure they are not staring at your breasts. All the friends you have made since the Apocalypse treat you as a female, and you can even feel some strangers ogling you every once in a while. You take good measure so as not to imply anything when dealing with the opposite sex.

Just one fateful night, fighting off some goblins with some strangers, a spear goes through your heart. You wake up, and you no longer remember a bit of your life before the Apocalypse. Were you male? Female? All you know is you picked a female character, and that you are currently female.

Building on the premise that you lose your memories of your past life, that would include sexuality. Unless, again, you really suggest sexuality is somewhere outside of the body, like your soul.
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>>117781929
Sorry but you're not doing a very good job of convincing me with your attitude that you were ever a serious contributing, competent player. The image you're broadcasting is "disgruntled second-rate guild struggling for scraps of e-fame".
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>>117782268

Its stated in the LNs.

The adventurers are being made to fit their new bodies. People who are now girls start to take a liking to more girly things than they used to, things like that.
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>>117782278
Gay men and lesbians don't have abnormal hormone levels.
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>>117782328
so...in the LNs can you get pregnant in the database?
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>>117782308
You can believe what you want to believe, it really doesnt concern me.

Though the fact that you seem oblivious to the fact that opinions like mine have always been around in the hardcore raiding scene makes me doubt that you have any experience in the topic either.
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>>117782368

Yes, as stated my Mamare in one of his many threads here.
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>>117782406
>opinions like mine
yeah all those hot babbymode "we gotta keep the secrets so we can be the best!!" opinions
you totally don't sound like a scrublord at all anon
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>>117782350
Again, the hormone thing is purely an add-on. The main point is the memory loss coupled with the everyday interaction as a female.
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>>117782328
Again though, this can be explained by socialization. You live as a girl, get treated like a girl, you're going to act more like a girl. Plus, most male players with female characters were probably more inclined to do girly things to begin with.
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>>117782406
>tries to turn the same argument back even though he's the one posting low-grade nonsense like >>117781483
How's that backpedaling going for you? Getting very far?
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>>117782466

Is the fact that people in the endgame raiding guilds are competitive as fuck and not all like sharing their hard earned work such an issue for you to accept.
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>>117782465
how would that even work? would they be an NPC?
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>>117782030
The brain of a female and a brain of a male is different for sure. Both male and female brains are very adaptive. When a male becomes a female, their personality will change. What might not change is the sexual attraction. Female brain is more flexible when considering sexual partners when compared to males. So if you are a male who likes females, but then became a female yourself, you probably will still like females. But you will also be more open to male partners. Its just how the brain works in female brain. The opposite might not be true because if a female becomes a male, their sexual preference most likely wont change because male brains are more rigid.
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>>117782533
>backpeddling

Anon, you are far too invested in this. I said from the offset that it is just a personal opinion. One that Im not even proud of.

What point are you trying to prove?
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>>117782565
>endgame raiding guilds are competitive as fuck
Yeah. The terrible guilds that fight for scraps and epeen status. Real progression guilds don't have time for that childish nonsense.
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>>117782580

That bit hasnt been revealed. Mamalade-sensei hinted that birth in the Database is going to be a big issue in the later novels so he is holding back anything to do with it until then.
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>>117782632
>Real progression guilds don't have time for that childish nonsense.

Yes, it really does.

You do understand that there is often more than one top tier guild, right?

And that these top tier guilds are all working against eachother and trying to be the first one to work out how to down a boss, right?
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>>117782617
>posts bullshit
>gets called on it
>struggles to maintain facade
>makes one last desperate ploy to try and show everyone he's actually calm and rational
Still not convinced.
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>>117782662
I wonder if you could get npcs pregnant too as an adventurer
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>>117782724
And all I can say is if that's the way you think then you very clearly were never in a true progression guild, and have constructed a fantasy of what they were like based on your own experiences with guilds of lesser quality.
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>>117782728

Anon, im not trying to convince you. I really dont care. You just seem to have this hyper idealistic view of endgame raiders that is not particularly accurate.
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>>117782724
Keep moving those goalposts, anon. You were complaining about "leaking secrets to scrub guilds" remember?
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>>117782587
Heterosexual women do show physical arousal to stimuli from both sexes, however that simply means that their sexual orientation doesn't depend on simple arousal like it does for men. Studies indicate that there isn't a higher rate of homosexual activity amongst women when compared to men, so women aren't more prone to bisexual activity than men.
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>>117782811
A "hyper idealistic view" is hardly necessary to point out the kind of meaningless, juvenile trash player nonsense that is posts like >>117781483
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>>117782794
>I think that end game raiders are happy care bares sharing their data to their hugbox

I remember Paragon withholding the video of themselves being the first to down an endgame boss in WoW because they didnt want to reveal their tactics until at least a few dozen more guilds had managed to kill it by themselves.

You really dont know anything about the pride, competitive and near autistic nature of endgame progression raiders
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>>117782925

The more you post, the more you reveal that you have no idea of endgame raiders.
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>>117782875
This could be attributed to social pressure though. Studies have shown homosexual fantasies to be common in both genders. However, society has very strong pressures towards heterosexual relationships. It's not uncommon for people who identify as gay to have long term heterosexual relationships in response to that pressure.
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>>117780517
>>117780725

HE is a MALE in real life, he acts like a girl and has the virtual body of a girl, but he's male so get over it.
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>>117782587
IIRC, sexual attraction works a bit differently in men and women. In straight men, they aroused by and attracted to the same things, namely tits and ass. Straight women, on the other hand, are aroused by both sexes, but attracted to men. That's the source of the 'all women are bisexual' claim that was going around a few years back.
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>>117783042
She's a girl now. This is real life for them.
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>>117783042
>virtual

Are you shitposting or are you retarded?

Elder Tales IS their reality now. It isnt virtual. How many times do you need Shiroe to flat out say "This isnt a game anymore" to get this?
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>>117783076
>In straight men, they aroused by and attracted to the same things, namely tits and ass
Tits, ass, foot, dick

Those are the four most common arousal points in straight men.
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>>117783136
>dick
>straight men
Pick one.
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>>117783136
>dick
my sides
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>>117783195
Its actually true.

A couple of neuroscientist did a meta analysis and found this to be true across straight men.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4
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>>117783031
I agree that it's hard to determine the source of heterosexual female sexual preferences. It seems quite likely that societal pressure will play a role. Still, female sexual orientation isn't as well understood as that of males so there may be other factors.

Assuming that the societal environment played a primary role, we can imagine that a male that magically ended up with a hetrosexual female brain would probalby still be aroused by women but would also be aroused by men. The latter would be novel for her and may well cause her to question her sexuality, especially due to their previous exclusive attraction to women. So I suppose that she could end up with a man (based on the realization that she's now attracted to them and an eventual self-identification as a woman) or a woman (based on a refusal to abandon her previous identity).
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>>117783136
>dick
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>>117783278
So Ron White was right?
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>>117783459
Who is he? Some voice actor in some anime?
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>>117783278
That whole thing was bullshit though. There's a reason they didn't publish it in a peer reviewed journal.
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>>117783102
> Literally "This isnt a game anymore"
> Healthbars
> Respawns
> Options screen
> Autistic MMO players

Get yourself together anon.
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>>117783511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKB7vAFTdA8
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>>117783520
They answered why they didn't publish it. But their findings and methods are still sound.
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>>117783511
He's a comedian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKB7vAFTdA8
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>>117783530
>Ruined by DEEN
>Lost her pupils
>Lost her bully
>Lost her pajamas

When will things work out for her?
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>changing into a female body makes you attracted to men
Sorry but this is just idiotic. You keep trying to act like sexuality is just some trivially flipped switch dependent on today's hormone ratios and not something that's become an ingrained part of these adult characters' personalities.

>b-but they lose memories and become more like their new bodies when they die!
They lose MEMORIES, not their intrinsic personality. Don't talk to me about brain chemical structure and neurons here fucksticks, the author isn't a doctor. In the context of the series, these two things are established to be separate.

>b-but people are becoming more like their new gender!
The only character we have to use as evidence of this is Tetra, and she was ALREADY extremely girly and WANTED TO BE SO. The only other thing we've learned is peoples' voices changing, which is purely physical. There is literally zero evidence to suggest anything about sexual preferences changing against a person's will.

The entire crux of the argument, which has gotten way off track, was assuaging the fears of poor fools like >>117781153 who think they'd immediately start craving dick if they went into the database. This runs alongside the same old misconceptions that anyone who plays a female character must secretly be gay or want to become a dickslut.

If you have a strong male mind but a female body, the database isn't going to overwrite that. IF you are already confused enough about who you are and what you want now, you might find yourself drifting to a new lifestyle (as you easily could in real life in the right environment). But the database is not going to turn you INTO something that you are not.
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>>117783595
>No peer review
>our findings are sound, trust us and buy our book!
I don't think so.
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>>117782278
Unless you are dying nonstop, the memory loss is nowhere near so significant that you forget who you used to be, especially after a year. Even William's raiding guild doesn't seem to have any of those sorts of issues and they've wiped a fair bit bashing their heads against high level raids
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>>117783530
A game would imply that you'd be able to stop playing.
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>>117783674
>intrinsic personality
No such evidence. All evidence points to people's personality changing over time. People's brain is a very malleable thing. The advent of brain scans helped this fact become scientifically accepted.
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everyone is attracted to dick, it's a universal truth.

if you see your cavebro's dick get hard and then he goes and fucks a cavewoman and you don't, his genetic line might continue and yours will die out

but if you get hard when he gets hard and you both fuck cavewomen (or the same cavewoman) you have a better chance of continuing your line

ergo dicks turn men on, it's simple science
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>>117783674

It is fucking DATABASE magic, anon.

In this story, the people who are now the opposite sex to what they were in the old world become more attracted to what their new sex would be seen as being attracted to.

Men who are now women become attracted to girly things.

Women who are now men become attracted to manly things.
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>>117783797
>All evidence points to people's personality changing over time.
Show me this evidence.

>>117783849
Show me examples that aren't Tetra.
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>>117783595
I have a paper that definitively proves that you smell like poop. I wont publish it, but its for reals sound
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>>117783882
>show men evidence of people's personality changing over time
Are you dumb? Just look at yourself when you were 1 year old and compare to when you were 12 and then to now.
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>>117783882

Magus in the WWB spin off.

Asside from that, just Tetra. However, Tetra's role in the story is to address THIS VERY ISSUE. Marare has already confirmed what effects happen to people who are now a different sex in the database.

Please, stop being retarded.
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>>117783921
You. are. a. fucking. idiot.

We are talking about ADULTS SUDDENLY SWITCHING BODIES IN THE DATABASE you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON, not infants growing up into puberty.
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>>117783736
Then It'd apply to real life.
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>>117783933
Except we ALREADY KNOW THAT TETRA WAS ALWAYS EXTREMELY GIRLY AND DESPERATELY WANTED TO BE THE LITTLE GIRL.

The database DID NOT CHANGE A THING other than >her flesh.
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>>117783957
Pretty sure Tetra is still considered a kid. Many more are kids in the DATABASE. So they will change. Even Shirou and others are only in their early 20s at max.
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