Great job Ufotable showing how broken Shirou is as a person.

What inner turmoil is the face of >>117648950 attempting to reveal?

>>117649095
"I've seen some shit"

It really does show how broken he is though; the anime didn't show it, but in the VN people in the bottom floors were like melting and shit, and he's just got a look on his face like he deals with this shit every day.

So in the VN he only cares about Taiga and Sakura? I hear he went rage shit when he found Taiga in another route like this and in the anime he certainly seemed upset at seeing Sakura like that. That's pretty disturbing that he wouldn't care about about dozens of melting corspes as long as they weren't people he views as family, like those are the only two people who bring out the humanity in him.Shirou's a fucking nutbar.

This is really the turning point of Rin and Shirou's relationship. It goes from a bit of a crush on her part, to her wanting to understand and help this clearly screwed up guy.

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>>117649095
the dirtiness of tohsaka's anus

>I didn't get to fuck Rider. FUCK

>>117649185
It is the only subtle way to really show it for now.

If we are lucky we will actually see in the HF movie(s) Shirou as he loses his mom, dad, and actually seeing the grail.

>>117649319
He cares for both of them. However Taiga is the only real family he has left as she helped stabilized him growing up so she is above everyone else. He is willing to kill Rin to protect her.

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Almost every typemoon character is a nutcase, I'm actually surprised how well adjusted is Archer considering Shirou is basically insane at this point.

>>117649319
The VN (and at least this adaptation) never hides that Shirou is a broken man. It's a little ironic that Kotomine was searching for an equal in Kiritsugu, but ended up finding one in Shirou.

Kotomine and Kiritsugu are like oil and water.
Kotomine and Shirou are two sides of the same coin.

>>117649471
Archer is Shirou where he went so insane he became somewhat stabilized. Which is why it changed him so much when he became a counter guardian.

>>117649539
Archer became disillusioned with time. His turning point was when he saw the same people that he saved were trying to kill him - and in the end, nothing of what he did mattered.

>>117649319
He cares, but he gets all calm and collected when he's angry, unless it's about his family (Taiga, Sakura) or someone mocks his ideal. In fact he ONLY cares about other people, and he gets pissed at Archer constantly because Shirou doesn't know how to like himself, and Archer represents the ugly truth of his ideal that he doesn't want to acknowledge, the same truth Kiritsugu told him before he died.

>>117649578
He became disillusioned after becoming a counter guardian. Not counting that little snafu, he'd have been completely happy with his life.

>>117649578
I thought the turning point was when he became a counter guardian and all he did was kill,kill,kill and more kill, never save just kill and kill and kill. people begging for their lives, people who had no idea how their actions fucked the world up enough to have to call in a grim reaper for them personally.

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>>117649578
Nah he died with a smile on his face then, it was when he was a counter guardian. After an ambiguous amount of time (eternity?) it kind of wears on you.

>>117649578
>His turning point was when he saw the same people that he saved were trying to kill him
What? He explicitly says in Extra that being betrayed was not a big deal and he expected that to happen eventually. He became disillusioned after becoming a counter guardian.

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>>117649578
Grinning as he died.

>>117649578
I TRIED SO HARD

>>117649379
I think you mean the perfectness.

I really hope Ufotable somehow shows Archer "cleaning" or the period of time between post 5th war and becoming Archer.

Nasu has the ability to make it happen, just tell them what they need to do.

>>117649964
Just as Platinum to make a DMC/Bayonetta/MGR:R style game where you play as Counter Guardian Archer.

It can involve a small girl you help in one mission, a teen a few missions later (time skip), she can be a granny near the end during another travesty, and then at the end he visits her grave right after finishing his latest mission.

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>>117650052
>DMC/MGR:R combat
jesus christ how amazing.

>>117650110
Honestly I've dreamt of it happening for a couple years now, it would be fucking amazing. It can also help them replace the red-coat-white-headed-guy they lost.

>>117650052
Archer doesn't "help" anyone as a counter guardian. If he even managed to save one person as a counter guardian, he wouldn't be the cynical prick that he is. The whole problem is he gets summoned to slaughter everything around him, not to save people. He doesn't even have free will, he is like a killing machine that can't help himself, but he keeps on suffering because all he wants to do is save people.

>>117650175
>. It can also help them replace the red-coat-white-headed-guy they lost.

It still hurts. Uncle Dante is dead forever now.

>>117650177

How strong is Counter-Guardian EMIYA?

>>117650546
Strong enough to still get killed with the help of 6 other counter guardians against Primate Murder.

>>117650597
Primate Murder has an anti-human property though, and counter guardians are still human souls, and are summoned by Alaya, which is the greater will of humanity. It's like using a dragon slayer against a dragon, you'll need a lot of dragons to kill that hero.

>>117650763
Dragon slayers usually just do increased damage against dragons.

They could still be killed by one if they're not careful.

It's basically like Shiki. He's a 1-hit-kill against anything, but there are also a lot of things that could kill him just as easily.

Sorry if this is a noob question but there is one thing I was always confused about..

Each master gets 3 command seals. If you use all three, does the servant leave or do they leave if they want too? I cant imagine Saber and Shirou having a good relationship and Saber just going "oh well you just your third seal, time to bounce"

>>117650881
The connection's still there, even if all the seals are used up. The Command Spells and the contract connecting the Servant and the Master are technically two separate things. You can be a Master even without a Command Spell as long as you have a Servant.

However, indeed, without a Command Spell, there's nothing stopping a Servant from disobeying your orders or outright betraying you. That's not an issue with Servants like Saber or Lancer, as long as they're on friendly terms with you, but someone as treacherous as Caster would be a problem. Rider would definitely betray Shinji without a second thought if A) he didn't have his Provisional Spells and B) he wasn't Sakura's brother.

>>117650175
>>117650504
But Dante lives on through that Nero looking protagonist in Scalebound.

Anyways, Ive always wanted CC2 to make a fighting game for the Nasuverse as a whole.

>>117650881
They can stay as long as they have a mana source I guess, Zero Rider didn't leave Waver after he used his command seals.

>>117650881
Once all three are gone the Servant can do whatever they want as long as they have a source of mana.

Once the connection between the mana source is cut the time they have in the real world is limited before they disappear.

>>117651091
>>117651138
>>117651140
ahh ok thanks guys

In fate he was half dead and still beating Shinji

>>117650881
Saber's loyalty with Saber is so strong that even if she loses her contract with him and establishes a new one with Rin, she still regards Shirou as her Master.

Saber would never willingly betray Shirou, even without a contract.

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>>117651407
>Saber's loyalty with Saber

>>117651407
The fate route if you don't get enough Saber affinity then she kills Shirou when Kotomine offers her the grail.

>>117651478
She doesn't kill Shirou, she just hesitates too much to save him, moron

Decent episode. The directing was much better than last episode with no still or almost still scenes with lots of talking. Shirou continues to show shounen levels of density towards members of the opposite sex. Also couldn't help but notice that this part was a bit sexist. Rin (the woman) is supposed to be the powerful and knowledgeable mage, yet makes two key mistakes and then buckles under the pressure of the situation... only for Shirou (the man) to calmly deal with the situation and summon Saber to save them.

>>117651511
No, she cuts his head off herself.

Her mind breaks immediately after, though. The shock of her actions pretty much kills her brain.

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>>117651556
Well, Tohsaka isn't used to seeing people die when they're killed, but Shirou has seen some shit.

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>>117651556

>>117651556
This has to be bait.

>>117651556
is this from an ANN review or something

Isnt Kirei supposed to be good or at least neutral, why is he such an asshole

>>117651754
He's Neutral Evil.

>>117651724
Neogaf. Though I can't fathom what's sexist about Saber saving them.

>>117651556
Assuming you're being serious, there's a clear reason outlined for why Shirou was okay while Rin wasn't.

Shirou's used to shit like this. He experienced a severe tragedy in his path that allows him to remain calm in life-or-death situations. Rin, on the other hand, has minimal experience with this sort of thing. She's a skilled magus but she's neither a soldier nor a killer.

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Why is Assassin always the least important servant in the grand scheme of things?

>>117652068
Because they're the weakest Servants.

>>117652097
But they could have compensated in other ways, like Avenger

>>117652068
Check out Fate/Apocrypha, 'sassin's got a prime role.

>>117652131
Avenger had a ridiculously strong Master with a broken-as-fuck Noble Phantasm.

Fourth War Assassin had Kotomine, who wouldn't be able to fight against a Servant even with Assassin's help, and Zouken can't fight against much of anyone either.

Why arent servants balanced? Look at Archer stats vs Saber stats. What a joke.

>>117651571
That's the gist of the story. You HAVE to persuade her to let it go. If you don't, you've been playing like the idiot you are.
She's loyal to Shirou. It's just that her body moved before her mind would react.

>>117652238
It was rigged from the get go to benefit the three main families.

Though Archer is a special case in that he's essentially Batman; at first glance he doesn't have the stats to compete, but soon you realizes he isn't someone to fuck with.

>>117652233
I didn't say they'd be compensating in the same ways. It's like they never had any of the Assassins act like actual Assassins. Fucking Kiritsugu acted more like an assassin than anyone in the Assassin class ever did. Where were all the attempts at stabbing, poison, disguise, manipulation, subterfuge? None of them did any of that. All they did was scout, sneak around, make idiotic attacks or guard stairs

>>117652190
Guess I'll have to. Only been exposed to Zero, F/SN and F/HA so far

>>117652357
>or guard stairs
Hey, hey, Sasaki guarded the FUCK outta those stairs.

>>117651556
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=140949169
All the way on the bottom
What the fuck?
She obviously read the vn and still said that?
How retarded can someone be?

>>117652357
Assassins have it really fucking hard because it's really tough to kill a Master when their Servants are nearby. Also, the moment their cover's blown, they lost most of their advantage.

>>117649469

Sakura's his family too, she's the reason he pulled himself out the hole he had after Kiritsugu died. Taiga couldn't do much, it was Sakura.

He just never noticed until he's about to lose her. UBW and Fate foreshadowed how much Sakura means to him, she's the symbol of his "home" so he has to protect her.

>>117652466
Not to mention shit like independent action which defeats the purpose of assassins. Being assassin is the most suffering.

>>117652525
>she's the symbol of his "home"

So moving to London has some super deep symbolism, then.

So what would Saber's life be like if she didn't go back to her own time after Kotomine and the Grail were destroyed?

Would she marry Shirou?

>>117651478
>>117651511
>>117651571
She'll kill anyone for the Grail though. The only reason she's chill to let it go in UBW was because she found out early it was a fake.

>>117652564
UBW Good kind of covers that.

She gets to sit in a corner while Shirou and Rin fuck each other just so she can survive.

>>117652595
But does saber watch and cry as she is NTR'd by Rin?

>>117652648
That, and mumbles about being hungry.

Why is it everything there mana to be generated or shared its always through sex or titty sucking

>>117652550
Well Assassins at least have Presence Concealment, for what that's worth.

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>>117652557

Pay attention to the partying words in UBW True.

>>117652379
I don't even understand why Sasaki was in the Assassin class other than there being no slots left. The whole thing seems like a joke since Sasaki was a samurai, the very group of people that got wiped out by assassins (ninjas)

>>117652466
They should be able to kill Servants too, or else what are they good for? I mean, just once, I'd like to see a really well-thought out and executed plan carried out by someone from the Assassin class. That shit can be more exciting than the big dumb fight scenes between knights than Nasu seems so fond of. It's a large part of why Fate/Zero is so much better than most of the rest of the franchise, instead of basic "who's that" or "who did that" mysteries, you have people throwing schemes on top of conspiracies and you've got no idea whose plan will be most successful even if you know how it all turns out.

>>117652550
>Being assassin is the most suffering
I thought that title belonged to Lancer

>>117652648

Mostly it was Rin jealous about Shirou and Saber chemistry.

Rin's romance only happened because Saber was removed for a couple of days as was Sakura. Unlike the other girls, she fades in the background in Shirou's eye when they are around.

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>>117652708
Deep and meaningful foreshadowing for when Shirou and Rin come back to take out the grail 10 years later.

>>117652760

No, that would be Rin after she breaks up with Shirou. With Waver, of course.

Rin is a fling, she was never meant to be anything steady.

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>>117652748
Shirou develops feelings for Rin way earlier than Saber getting kidnapped.

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>>117652786
Jealous of their pure love?

>>117652748
That's because that out of the three of them, Shirou's feelings for Rin are the most shallow.

He fell in love with Saber at first sight and with Sakura, he loved her and (in her route) he began to notice her as woman.

In case of Rin, she's just someone he admired. Admiration is the furthest from love.

>>117652356
Or he's just some shit like Gilgamesh whose stats blow everyone out of the water. Herakles would have been similar.

>>117652827
>still using non canon shit when Nasu specified Rin and Waver were going to take down the Grail

>>117652748
Shirou falls for Rin because he never noticed his kouhai and because Berserker never tore up Saber, so he never got overly concerned for her, meanwhile Rin does whatever she can to push herself to the front of his mind in every route.

>>117652648
Depends on what Rin wants. It is *her* harem after all.

>>117648950
That was fucking ridiculous. A little subtlety wouldn't hurt.

>Fate series
oh yeah....

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>>117652847

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>>117649781
>>117649578

>>117652847
Shirou and Rin come to understand each other. They both have each other's backs throughout the entire story. She grows to admire his ideal and wants to help him live it. She's the only girl to really actively seek out and learn what makes him tick.

>>117649095
Nothing. But confronted with so many dead and dying people, he SHOULD be.
That's what's great about it. It's subtle.

>>117652875
That's a statement that works for both Fate and UBW, so of course he's being general.

Even so how does that change anything? Shirou and Rin are still an item, and they become sickeningly sweet and lovey dovey with each other.

>non canon

Oh you're one of those guys.

>>117652734
They're much weaker than just about any other Servant. They're Hassans. Mere wraiths. They can't normally match up against true Heroic Spirits.

>>117652971

That's wrong though. Saber figured him out early in Fate route and warns him he's a broken being.

Sakura knows about his ideal and tries to protect it but Shirou's no longer concerned about it.

Shirou never gave a fuck about Rin in the way he gave a fuck about Saber or Sakura too. She was always a fourth-wheel in her own route.

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>>117648950
It's par for the course.

>>117652971
Shirou and Saber also come to understand each other. Also, Saber doesn't need to seek what makes him tick, for she's ticking just like him.

Shirou gave so much fucks about Rin that he didn't ask Saber to save her when she was in danger because he was so busy about Archer angst.

If wasn't for Lancer, she would have gotten raped by Shinji.

>>117652708
>>117652786
Sakurafag/troll detected

But everyone keep responding to the blatant bait anyways. Every Sakurafag seems to cling to that one comment Nasu made about how the Tohsaka/Shirou romance isn't as real. Then Sakurafags stop there, and forget the part where Nasu talks about how theirs is about a growing love and Sakura's is an already present love.

But no, Tohsaka's a slut even though all her actions prove differently, and nothing written in F/HA counts even though Nasu wrote it and FSN is an infinite multiverse.

>>117653024
>Shirou never gave a fuck about Rin

He had a crush on Rin at the beginning of all routes, it's a reason why Sakura becomes jealous a bit. Saying that he never gave a fuck about her is downright wrong.

shirou and saber never live happily ever after with each other in canon

>>117653024
Fifth wheel, anon.

>>117653024
They know there's something wrong with him, but they don't actively seek to help him because they both have their crazy problems to deal with.

In a way, UBW was more about Rin trying to get the boy, rather than the other stories where it's the boy trying to get the girl. The entire date with them was her trying to make him happy, and that's a theme that's a constant through their romance. She actively wants to help Shirou.

>>117653089

No, he just admired her. Don't confuse admiration with love. It's like the affection to a pop star or idol. But don't joke around he gave a fuck about Rin in UBW like he did with Saber in Fate or Sakura in HF. He never paid attention to her suffering or issues when they were brought up to him, he ignored her. She was just convenient to get his ball rolling.

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>>117653094
They do because all probable outcomes get drawn into one.
Also Bazett decides to crash at Shirou's place and Sakura and Rin both get jealous.

>>117653024
>Sakura in charge of protecting anything

naah, it's more like she's a broken too and she likes him for that

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>>117653094
>Last Episode
>Nasuverse
>not canon
Everything is canon you filthy fucking mongoloid
There can be a timeline where it's just Rider pegging Saber, Rin, and Shirou the entire 5th war and it'd be just as canon as Fate, UBW, or HF
We just need Zelretch to stop slacking and fucking find it

>>117653130

They don't? In Fate and HF, Shirou is fixed. Saber gave him his ideals and a happy ending, both strove for. Sakura was healing him before he realized it, that realization eventually lead to his ending.

In UBW, he's still a broken human beings. Rin's a failure as her Tohsaka curse permitted her to be.

>>117652847
>>117653024
Sakura: Already in love kind of
Saber: Love at first sight
Tohsaka: Boy meets girl, schoolgirl/boy crush becomes real love.

None of those are "better" than the others. They're all different types of romances and love stories. Obviously Shirou would be less close to Tohsaka than Sakura, he's been with Sakura for a few years and is only just now getting to know Tohsaka.

This shit really isn't that complicated. If Shirou/Tohsaka doesn't count, then it applies to all other animu romances where boy meets girl and they slowly fall for each other. Which means 95% of anime romances are doomed to fail and aren't real.

'Kay.

>>117653089
>A BIT

she killed him for that

Why do we get ten different FS/N UBW remakes but no Heavens Feel?

>>117653094
Except for when they do in Last Episode.

>>117653211

Saber was boy meets girl, fuck fate route has BOY MEETS GIRL subtitles.

>>117653242
Because HF is shit so nobody wants to animate it.

Are you retarded?

>>117653242
We're getting a movie/movie series soon you fucking idiot, quit bitching

>>117652734
Wasn't Shirou the last person to summon a Servant? Why didn't Caster summon Sasaki into the Saber class instead of Assassin?

>>117652634
That fucking moment where Shirou is just about shitting himself over the prospect of somebody seeing through his facade of normalcy. I really loved this bit.

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>>117653173
Sakura tends to get intimidated by anyone with a better chest than her.

>>117653206
so does Zeltretch not give any fucks at all at this point and just does things for the hell of it given that he's the only user of the 2nd magic, is pretty much immortal, and has been around for several centuries?

>>117653288
You should probably read the VN.

>>117653173
Isn't Bazett in love with Lancer anyways, why would they be jealous

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>>117653242
because no one wants to see more wormslut

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The amount of idiocy I'm seeing between gaf's sjw and the "priests" of mal forums is unbearable and yet I can't stop lurking.

>>117653159
Well that's natural. We can't forget who Shirou is, he's a man with a messiah complex, he feels the compulsion to save and fix everything around him. So of course he's a bit out of his element when confronted with a girl that has most of her shit under wraps. He eventually does develop true affection for her, but he has to give up wanting to be a savior for it. It's part of the theme of the route, anon, knowing when to compromise your ideals for happiness

>>117653299
No, she gets jealous of anyone paying attention to Shirou
In fact, the only person that she doesn't get jealous of is Taiga until F/HA, where she's harassing poor Taiga every scene they're together

>>117653024
>Sakura wants to protect his ideal

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

All she wants is for him to break it. She wants him to focus on her, hates it when he's in danger trying to follow his ideal, and thinks about putting him in the condition where he can't even move so he won't play hero.

Of all the heroines, Sakura is the least supportive of his beliefs. She is actively against them. Now I'm not saying that's wrong of her, she just doesn't want her insane husbando to die. But stop being another delusional Sakurafag. She never supported him.

>>117653210
Shirou finds both an answer in UBW and HF; he definitely finds way more of an answer in UBW than he does in Fate. He's confronted with the issues with his ideals, and reaches a conclusion where he still chooses to follow his path, but this time not alone, because he has Rin with him all the way giving him a hand.

In HF, it's more him personally confronting the problems with his ideal. Sakura isn't the one actively discussing the matter with him.

>>117653345
>wah! they're pointing out things I take for granted and now I'm uncomfortable!
grow the fuck up. at least they're not a secondary.

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How come he didn't dual wield the desk legs?

ufotable think it would have been too obvious at that point?

>>117653263
Okay, sorry for not putting it perfectly, but my point remains the same.

NO FUCKING SHIT SHIROU'S LESS INVESTED IN RIN. They've spent two weeks actually interacting. He spent 3 years with Sakura. Of course in the routes his attitudes will be different.

And you know what? If Rin had been with him for 3 years and not Sakura, he "wouldn't give a shit about" Sakura.

>>117653428
No, it's a beyond retarded point of view. There's nothing sexist with Shirou being calm into bloodfort while Rin loses her shit, it's a scene that shows different character traits. There's nothing in it about Rin being a girl and Shirou being a man, the only sexist person here is the one posting that shit in the first place.
7/10, triggered.

>>117653428
shill detected

>>117653455
Yeah, probably.

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>>117653428
They clearly are a secondary because they don't understand
1) Rin's character
2) Shirou's character
and 3) How they tie in with each other
Just because they read the VN, doesn't mean they understand it
And just with that paragraph description of this episode, it's blatantly fucking clear they have no idea about anything

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>>117653330
Because between density, hax powers, not dying when she's killed, a fucked-up joyless personal life, and 'assets', Bazett is like the absolute perfect match for Shirou.
You're right, though.

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So many haters popping up because they know best girl is gonna unabashedly win.

>>117653481
Fuck off faggot. You're intentionally going to places where people post nothing buy dumb shit so you can get mad at it and repost it here. Fuck off to /v/ if you want to do that, you'll be in good company.

>>117653497
Sucks, I was looking forward to that so much.

Will have to do with the 3 second scene of kendo.

>>117653345
>Tohsaka's never seen dead bodies and Shirou's broken inside, but it couldn't possibly be that causing her to fall apart and him to take the lead for the first time in a dangerous situation. Nope, not their inherent characters being developed in this scene, just sexism. Doesn't matter that Tohsaka had his back the last 2 times, this time it's sexist.

I love stupid people.

>>117653543
In an episode or two Shirou's gonna summon Archer's swords, so we'll at least get that.

>>117653536
But Anon, Rider can't win in UBW.

>>117653537
>You're intentionally going to places where people post nothing buy dumb shit so you can get mad at it
Dude, we're on 4chan.

>>117653372
>she just doesn't want her insane husbando to die
I remember something in her route to the effect of

>hey senpai
>I knew you were practicing magic in the shed all this time
>That was so dangerous, it could have killed you
>Oh btw I never told you about this because I didn't want you to know I was a mage and so we could have a normal household
>Your life is more important? But what about muh feelings?

That last one didn't happen, Shirou accepted her anyway for some reason. Both of them lost any and all sympathy for me right there.

>>117653543
I would have loved more Kendo but unfortunately secondaries already think that's unrealistic that Shirou suddenly receives a shounen power up by becoming "able to withstand Saber's blows".

>>117653536
It hurts because Taiga will never win even though Taiga and Shirou together is the perfect pairing for both of their happiness

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>>117652068
Assassin is the second to last boss in Extra

It wasn't Hassan, but rather someone that doesn't suck.

The strongest Hassan is summoned in Fate/Strange. She has every NP that every other Hassan has, rolled into one. She has to be the strongest to compete in a war that has Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and Disease summoned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26vHkQWN4ww

magical things happen if you wear headphones

>>117653455
They are honestly being a bit subtle here, and it works.

>>117653611
I still think one small metal clang or something when he got nailed so hard would've been a nice teaser towards UBW and raise eyebrows instead of "Shirou OP".

>>117653526
Is there anyone aside from Bazette that would not get utterly fucked just by having Avenger as a Servant?

>>117653616
No anon, if Taiga got hitched to anyone, it should be Waver

>>117653694
Shirou. Though it's a bit redundant.

>>117653694
Shirou could deal with it
Maybe Kotomine as well if he cared enough for the war

>>117653708
>implying Waver would marry a Japanese tiger

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>>117652748
>>117652847
>>117653024
That's an odd way to look at it. I don't care to say who's more deeply in love, but the routes took different approaches.

Fate, admittedly, was very boring. That said, Saber is presented as a very sympathetic heroine. She understands Shirou fully, and there's a very deep bond there. She's less of a lover, more of a complete soulmate. Even in the other routes, the two have a very deep bond. There's not much to be learned from one another, they already share one mind. Love is secondary to the fact that they're two extensions of one idea.

Rin has probably the most traditional romance among the three. There's mutual learning, cooperation, chemistry. They're different so there's room to grow. They overcome obstacles together, and the bond grows from the surface down and slowly reaches deeper rather than erupting from the core. They're different people and inspire change and progress in one another. Cooperation and putting aside your differences. More effort and progression there than the other routes.

Sakura's route is the most one sided. She starts of with a one-sided love. Then it turns into a one-sided quest to save the damsel in distress. It brings out the best in Shirou but really, you never see Sakura change him, and they're not so deeply connected by shared ideals either. There's no real progress in their love, there's progress as a result of the relationship.

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Would [superheros internally] be funnier?

>>117653694
Kiritsugu would have still been able to roll with it and come out on top. Much like Bazett, he did most of the heavy work while Saber was a distraction more often than not

>>117653746
Neither because that meme is so overused at this point that anything you put would be bland

>>117653683
>and raise eyebrows
No, because people don't notice subtle things, especially when they hate the MC for any reason, logical or not.
If Shirou remains in the house and avoids the war, she's deemed an idiot because he doesn't want to fight. But if he decides to actually fight he's deemed an idiot for wanting to try. And when he happens to have to directly step into combat and finds himself miraculously living, instead of asking "why?" they just go "oh hurr, it's plot armor, Shirou just can do it because he's the mc".

You cannot win. You can't.

>Excessive Self-Consciousness:

>Rin Tohsaka’s first SG. Rin herself describes it as “a queenly mode of behavior, imposed by one’s nobility, completely natural for a leader.” Indeed, its meaning is unclear.

>Another name for it is “templation.” It comes from the word “template,” and was a popular slang term in 21st century Japan.

<>

>Humans may, due to various emotions and circumstances, reject thinks they like saying they don’t like them, or accept things they hate saying they don’t mind them.

>The opposite of good will isn’t ill will, but rather indifference.

>Liking is the other side of hating. Hating is the other side of liking. This sort of “dishonesty” is an ailment common to all people. It’s nothing particularly shameful.

>However, there’s also the case where the more pride one has the haughtier one behaves towards someone one’s interested in, and engages in contradictory behavior. Of course we wouldn’t dare to say who, though.

>This templation shifts from the simply dishonest attitude to an actively malicious attitude, a condition particular to girls.

>Their behavior when they act with pride is called “tsuntsun,” and when their need to be liked by the other party reaches a boiling point they’ll turn “deredere,” and the two together are called “tsundere.”

>Of course we wouldn’t dare to say who, but,

<>

>Some call this a bittersweet SG, for it is the fate of templation to disappear when love is fulfilled. A certain priest says this of it: “Once she confesses to the target of her affections, she is no longer ‘tsun,’ or anything else, but a contemptible impure thing.”

>Unfortunately, all that lies past graduation from this SG is becoming an silly couple so wrapped up in their love they don’t even notice that people are watching. If you are a well-meaning third party, you will probably have various thoughts of your own about this, but please watch over them kindly.

Nasu basically summing up the future of Rin and Shirou's relationship.

>>117653746
Make it shake with a blur effect and change it to [swords internally].
Elder god tier: make it a party hard edit.

>>117653740
>Fate was boring
Everyone says that but I love the last half of it
Evn more so after reading through the whole VN

Who wins between Kerry and Kuzuki?

>>117649095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyno281gvHw

Flashbacks

>>117653841
If Kuzuki finds him unprepared he'll easily win. Time alter may be able to help but Kuzuki at that point probably can easily avoid bullets.
If it's Kiritsugu planning the attack things will probably be quite different, but in that case he would take care of Caster instead of the master.

>>117653802
Kotomine confirming that future Rin a shit.

Tsun without the Dere, who's even heard of such a thing? Dere is always coupled with something.

>>117653924
You're never heard of a deredere?

>>117653841
Assuming Kerry would let Kuzuki near him, it'd be Kuzuki's games
If Kuzuki is caster buffed, there's nothing Kiritsugu can do against him, even if he had Avalon

>>117653939
No such thing

>>117653940
Avalon Kiritsugu's worst enemy is Kuzuki

He always snaps off the head, and aims exclusively for the head.

>>117653940
>there's nothing Kiritsugu can do against him
origin bullets

Suppose it would depend on how much Kiritsugu had prepared, but I don't think he ever got into a fight without being prepared

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>>117653959
It totally exists. It's what happens when you hold the tsun, the yan, the kuu, and whatever else. You've got a pure loving doting waifu.

>>117650546
Basically, UNLIMITED unlimited blade works, without having to worry about mana he could just spam nuke everything with broken phantasms.

>>117653995
YEAH MAN

I'M SURE THOSE MAGIC CIRCUIT KILLING BULLETS WILL DO A LOT OF GOOD MESSING UP KUZUKI NON-EXISTENT MAGIC CIRCUITS.

>>117653995
Origin bullets work by fucking up the targets Magic Circuits. Kuzuki isn't a Magus. They wouldn't do fuck all to him.

>>117653746
Champion of Justice.

>>117653983
Well I was saying mostly being able to do quad accel and shit like that
>>117653995
Kuzuki doesn't use magic, the Origin bullets wouldn't do any more than a normal bullet would do ASSUMING that'd he'd even be hit by a bullet

>>117653841

Better match up would be Kuzuki vs Kotomine.

Though I guess Kotomine is a clear winner.

>>117654078
>>117654110
The guy I was replying to specified Caster buffs
Would not the origin bullets disrupt those?

>>117654078
I never really thought about it that much but man, Kuzuki really is fuckin strong isn't he? He's probably the strongest master after Bazett.

>>117654132
If they hit Caster they probably would, but Kuzuki isn't the one using the magic.

>>117654140
First time they'd fight, Kuzuki would beat Bazett.

>>117654140
He's one-dimensional, though. He has one trick - a hell of a trick, admittedly, but just the one - and once that's seen through, he's merely a very well-trained physical specimen.

>This weeks episode better than 'down in your ideals and die'
>Sexism

Why do these people exist /a/?

>>117654140
Not really. He's a one trick pony and could beat a lot of opponents that way, but Servants like Hassan, for example, could beat him by virtue of being able to observe him and figure out his trick.

He's sort of like Shirou, ridiculously strong with his single trick, but absolutely useless without it.

>>117654161
Isn't Bazett also a god-tier physical fighter with magic-boosted stuff? Although Caster's boosts probably beat Bazett's and fragglerock and doing shit to Kuzuki.

>>117654130
>Though I guess Kotomine is a clear winner.

>Q: Between Kotomine, Bazett, Kuzuki, Melty Blood’s Miyako, and Kishima Kouma, who’d be the top 3 in a purely hand to hand fight with no weapons or magecraft?

>A: I’m excluding Kouma since his existence itself has become a mystery.
>And even if he didn’t have that nature, he’s like an athlete caught by drug testing.
>Out of the four left, the winner in pure strength is Bazett.
>If it’s limited to one match and a surprise attack, then it’s Kuzuki.
>And if it’s the Kotomine from ten years ago, he’s stronger than Bazett overall.

Notice he didn't even bother addressing Kuzuki vs Kotomine Prime, he just left it with "First match, Kuzuki wins out of the remianing three no matter what". Kotomine Prime beats Bazett, but stats don't mean anything against the Assassins fist (first match only).

>>117654132
One, Kuzuki isn't the one using the magic
It's why the origin bullet Kerry shot at Kirei faded because it used the command seal's magic, not Kirei's
And two, >>117654153
Caster is from the age of gods, she doesn't have magic circuits

>>117654172
>>117651556

>>117654140
>>117653841
Doesn't he lose only because Archer shot swords at him from a distance?

>>117654172
>Where's Kiritsugu
>Why are they still in the school
>Caster arc filler arc
>Wheres kotomine

>>117654169
You'd have to be a high tier type to be immune to it after the first time

That's something that isn't said much, but it is true. Notice that SHirou wasn't automatically immune despite seeing it twice, he still got his ass whipped even with a bit of Archer's skill.

>>117654221
No, he lost because Medea died first, and then the buff was off when he tried to fight Archer.

>>117654205
>"First match, Kuzuki wins out of the remianing three no matter what"

You conveniently excluded the surprise attack factor.

>>117654221
He lost because with Caster dead he didn't have magic super armor and Archer had seen him fight multiple times and figured out his technique.

>>117652068
Because Masters seem to misuse them. Zouken was quite proficent with his one but he also was controlling or at least partially influencing the Shadow so I don't know how much that counts.
It's pretty agreed upon that Kiritsugu with an assassin class servant would just wreck everyone's shit.

>>117654278
Every fight involving a seemingly normal human vs a super human would be a surprise attack. No one ever expects the school teacher to be Kung Fu.

>>117654320
Why the hell did Kuzuki's assassination organization only ever train him for one mission anyways. Seems like a lot of work for very little benefit.

>>117654344
Sometimes all you need to do is kill a single man.

>>117654344
Training disposable super assassins is a good business model.

>>117654320

Except that an experienced person can easily tell Kuzuki is not a regular human. Saber notices his regulated breathing and high level body control the first time she sees him. There's no way Kotomine would just dismiss him as a nobody.

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I don't know if I'm going to be emotionally stable enough to get through this scene.

>>117654305
I'm not that sure re: Kiritsugu and Assassin. You have a Servant and a Master basically doing the same thing; very one-dimensional, very narrow in its application. A strong, highly visible tank like a Saber is actually a great match for him - somebody to take the limelight while he works in the background; a top-notch distraction to make one ignore the shadows. The problem is the Saber he ended up with.

>>117654393

Ufo Caster without hood is going to be too moe for my heart, I just know it.

>>117654393
Someone post the shot of Kuzuki with that ridiculously huge sword jammed into his back, and him just standing there.

>>117654393
She just wanted somebody who would love her unconditionally. ;_;

>>117649095
The picture is not attempting to reveal inner turmoil; rather, it reveals a complete lack of inner turmoil in a situation that warrants distress, fear, uncertainty etc. That's the disturbing part. It's a motherfucking thousand yard stare, which you only normally find on infantrymen who've seen months of nonstop combat at the front lines of a world war.

>>117654423
Kiritsugu's intelligent enough to be able to create his own diversions. Either he'd have someone like Maiya do it or he'd manipulate the other masters into doing it.

Besides, Kiritsugu and Assassin wouldn't necessarily be exactly the same. He may have been able to draw Servants away from Masters expertly, but he rarely made efforts to conceal himself from the Masters themselves. An actual Assassin strikes me as someone that you wouldn't even know was an Assassin until you were already dead

>>117654391
Even being cautious isn't enough to not be hit by the snake fist. Even in your example, even if Saber could tell he wasn't normal, she still got snaked in their first fight.

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>>117654431
"Caster."

>>117654606

She was dumb enough to think Kuzuki was just a man with particularly healthy lifestyle and had her guard completely down. Plus enchantment from the age of gods is no joke.

what is this talk about shirou being insane?

>>117650872
Yeah, but primate murder is tough as shit AND antihuman. Its not like its a glass cannon. It would be tough for a nonhuman.

>>117654661
Christ.

>>117649578
A question for anyone who knows: would the Counter Guardians make an appearance in the setting of Notes, or are they excluded from that for some reason? Because if there's any time period in the setting where humanity is getting fucked and needs saving, it's certainly when the notAngels are coming to Earth to wipe the slate clean of life.

>>117654674
Broken, not necessarily insane. He is a shell of a human being; a shattered wreck of PTSD and survivor's guilt that managed to find itself a threadbare facade of normalcy to hide behind. If the discussion with Ayako is any indication, he's terrified of the prospect of people ever finding out just what a monstrous nothingness lurks beneath the veneer of being a functional young man.

>>117654789
Wait what? I've just watched FSN, Zero and watched that one UBW movie. That is why I asked.

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>>117654661

>>117654854
>and watched that one UBW movie


Ooh, I'm sorry.

>>117654789
Nah, I'd say he's pretty bonkers as well. Hard not to be when you got a dad that believes in things like "saving the world"

Not to mention he's got a crowd of equally broken women around him skewing his perception of normalcy

>>117654674
Do you know Hanekawa from Bakemonogatari? Shirou has different reasons for it, but his personal problems and coping mechanisms are basically the same as hers. He's a normal, even laudable, person a first glance but is completely insane on the inside.

>>117654854
go read F/SN then

>>117654741
Alaya is part of Gaia in a sense, if Gaia is dead then so are certain other things. It's fucked either way, pure humans are pretty much gone.

>>117654902
I heard that VN is longer than all TLoTR and The Hobbit combined. Fuck no nigga, that's too many words.

>>117654887
You better not be chatting shit about Rin or I fucking swear on her dads grave

>>117654952
Rin is easily the least broken person around Shirou other than maybe Taiga, and Archer basically tells her to be with Shirou and try to rein in the crazy. And she does. I can't talk shit about her in the slightest.

>>117654952
Rin is by far the most "normal" girl out of the bunch, which is why she catches on to what's wrong with Shirou quickly, and realizes he needs help.

>>117654934
Would those "other things" include the likes of Arcueid too?

>>117654449
She should probably have done less to get him and her killed then. Put a huge fucking target on her back.

>>117654947
The Lord of the Rings doesn't even hit a thousand pages. The Hobbit is maybe, at best, 200. Stop having ADHD.

>>117654887
Rin is fairly normal in the grand scheme of things. Even her abnormal shit is mostly just talk.

>>117655075
Arcuied will become Type Moon, an enemy of human kind again one day, and likely one of the biggest things they'll have to defeat if they want to live on.

The personality known as Arcuied will one day become nothing, one day she will only be Type Moon.

Why did Shirou turn into swords?
How could Shirou improve so much at swordfighting despite doing no practice between last time and this time?
How was Shirou healed at the start of this episode?
Why was Rin so scared when Shirou wasn't?
Which Servant killed Rider? Why didn't he/she kill Shinji?
Why couldn't they sense that another Servant was in the building? How could another Servant enter the field?
Who was Rider, and why didn't she use her Noble Phantasm?
Why did Sakura faint when she is magical? Why are they ignoring what Gen-sama established in Zero?
Why is Shinji evil?
Why did Shirou waste his command spell when all Saber did was kill a couple of low level familiars?

>>117654947
I don't get it, why would you give up the better experience just because its long?

>>117652238
Look at it this way, poor stats but bullshit abilities.

>>117655207
Forgot your pic, Frodo.

>>117654427
I bet you'd fuck your own mother too, right anon?

>>117655246
Most servants have bullshit abiltities. Its not like servants with shit stats get the most bullshit. Look at Gil. He has great stats and an entire closet full of some of the most bullshit bullshit there is.

>>117652238
the HGW isn't meant to be fair/balanced

I don't know how you could think that after what they explained in HF

>>117655318
Oh yeah I'm just saying its probably an archer thing, shit stats but some real bullshit on whatever they pull out of their ass.

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>>117654539
You can also tell he's ready for any incoming threat. Eyes as wide as possible you receive as much light as possible to identify targets.

Shirou was already ready to fuck shit up by the time he saw the kids on the floor.

I want Rin thinking about that and analyzing Shirou maybe even with Archer. Relaying the events and shit.

>>117655207
>Why did Shirou turn into swords?
He is a sword
>How could Shirou improve so much at swordfighting despite doing no practice between last time and this time?
His muscles are already toned and near optimal, all he was lacking was a proper method
>How was Shirou healed at the start of this episode?
Avalon
>Why was Rin so scared when Shirou wasn't?
Hasn't seen many dead bodies
>Which Servant killed Rider? Why didn't he/she kill Shinji?
Caster's master
>Why couldn't they sense that another Servant was in the building? How could another Servant enter the field?
Another servant did not enter
>Who was Rider, and why didn't she use her Noble Phantasm?
Sakura from the past, before she reincarnated.
>Why did Sakura faint when she is magical? Why are they ignoring what Gen-sama established in Zero?
She's low on mana at the moment
>Why is Shinji evil?
He's a dick
>Why did Shirou waste his command spell when all Saber did was kill a couple of low level familiars?
He joined the war to save people, this is his bread and butter. There's no better time than when lives are on the line.

>>117654236
>there were Zerofags that didn't get Kiritsugu was dead until Shirou straight up told Rin his old man is dead

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>>117652238
Because stats are totally subservient to plot armor.

>>117653890
why doesn't he just gaebolg again?

>>117655409
To be fair the anime was very unclear that he literally died right after he finished talking to Shirou.

>>117655318
>>117652864
>Or he's just some shit like Gilgamesh whose stats blow everyone out of the water.

I don't know where people are getting Gilgamesh having great stats from, or that being the deciding factor for him.

Even if he was all E rank, he'd still be the king because the only thing that matters is his NP. His stats are above average, but they don't blow others out of the water, nor have they ever so much mattered. When's the last time that Gilgamesh's stats have decided the fight?

Everything is just his NP

Stats are something people latch onto too much at times, but they're hardly ever what decides the fight.

>>117652238
why is true assassin stats the same as sabers yet she destroys him

>>117652356
So if Archer is Batman, does that make Saber Superman, and Lancer Aquaman?

>>117655318
Gilgamesh is also the oldest and most powerful Heroic Spirit. He is a far cry from what your usual Archer is whether in terms of statistics or abilities. The same would also apply for Heracles summoned as an Archer or any of the other first class Heroic Spirits. Robin Hood, on the other hand, is a good example of what you could statistically expect from an Archer that isn't a world famous demigod or completely unknown faker.

>>117655493
If he was E rank in everything he wouldn't last in a fight long enough to use his NP. If all you needed to win fights were fancy moves, Caster would be a top servant.

>>117655505
Arguably, yeah. Saber is the super strong one that everyone thinks could kill them in an instant. Archer you'd think would never compare, but he pulls through anyway.

Also it's canon that EMIYA is basically doing a Batman voice. His last lines with Rin in UBW make him sound closer to Shirou.

>>117655505

Lancer is dead man

>>117655493
The point though is that Archer is the class of "Shit stats, based NP". Having "Above average" stats, AND the best NP is like saying "My weakness is that I can only life 20 lb more than the body builder class, but luckily I get an AK-47 to make up for that".

>>117655539
>If all you needed to win fights were fancy moves, Caster would be a top servant.

>C rank NP
>Most classes have magic resistance

He doesn't just have fancy tricks, he has all the fancy tricks. Caster is a failure since many people can be immune to her shit, however no one can be immune to Gilgamesh, and his "tricks" power is not dependent at all on his own power.

>>117655451
Fuck off KS dev

>>117655541
>but he pulls through anyway.
my memory is fuzzy but i don't remember archer beating anybody but caster

Going through secondary stuff I found one guy that's convinced Shirou's never actually seen a dead body (Because Kiritsugu saved him before he saw any) and he just knew people were alive because his structural analysis let him determine their bodily if they were alive or not instantly so he didn't panic.

These people

>>117655586
>no one can be immune to his tricks
>what is avalon

>>117655586
He would get cut down in an instant, He wouldn't get to use anything because he would die too fast. Even Gil needs some strength, agility and endurance to stay in the fight for a few seconds to use his shit.

>>117655630
>avalon
>a sword sheath from the middle ages
>capable of blocking everything even Ea a sword from the beginning of time
avalon is bullshit is what it is

>>117655592
He straight up wins the war in UBW.

Q: What was the sport that Saber said she liked, that used swords to play on large stretches of land? Could it be golf? Or maybe polo?
A: It was an ancestor of golf. Please think of it as “something like golf that was around before golf was conceived.”

Q: Even in Rin’s route, Saber voluntarily destroyed the Holy Grail. Did this time also break her contract with the World, and make it impossible for her to exist as a Heroic Spirit?
A: It was a flawed Grail, so you could say it was halfway done. Since Saber reconsidered her life and found her own path... this time, perhaps she could become a Heroic Spirit on her own.

Q: Around what age did Archer (Emiya Shirou) form a contract with the World as a Guardian?
A: From his late twenties to early thirties.

Q: When and where did Archer (Emiya Shirou) acquire his red overcoat (a holy shroud)? Or, was the shroud he used in Sakura’s route an original one?
A: When he began working as a freelance magus in his twenties, he received it from a certain curry-loving member of the clergy... now that would make a nice story, it would.

Q: Was Zouken branded with Command Seals after he summoned True Assassin through Kojirou’s body? Or, not being human (and a bunch of worms that infest Sakura), did he not receive them? Also, was this the proper way of summoning the regular Assassin?
A: Even though Assassin’s Command Spells were fake, Caster still had them, so additional ones were not created. True Assassin’s summoning ritual was most certainly outside the norm.

Q: In your original manuscript, does Shinji become a better person after he survives Rin’s route? And does have the potential to find happiness...?
A: No fundamental changes, but since a great weight was lifted off his back (his obsession with sorcery), he'll probably be able to enjoy life as a fussy, loudmouthed, smarter-than-average, troublesome person.

>>117655630
Something that was used like a proper trump card so the opponent could not adjust to it enough to find out whether there was a way to beat it.

Something that was actually used in a smart way, but just activating it at the start of battle and going "I win" would have likely lost Saber the match hard if that's all she relied on. She knew she actually had to play smart here. That's the reason she didn't just activate it in the first second of seeing him and going "Haha, for you see I am now immune to everything".

>>117653740
This guy gets it.
I really like the way the Saber/Shirou relationship work, HF really hammer in that whole "soulmate" thing, and Ufotable is doing a fairly good job at depicting the nature of their relationship.

>>117655685
didn't he lose to shirou and gilgamesh but miraculously survives to save rin while shirou does all the work?

>>117655693
>whether there was a way to beat it.
Spoilers. There isn't.

>>117655740
He didn't physically lose to Shirou; he lost the mental battle. The whole fight was him struggling over ideals, and Shirou wore him down and made him realize he was wrong.

UBW basically has Archer given handicap after handicap, but through manipulation and ingenuity, he pulls through and usually leaves the rest of the cast stumbling. He even got the last laugh on Gil.

He's Batman. Not the strongest or someone you'd expect to dominate in a fight, but he has plenty of tricks that help him get through and win anyway.

>>117655753
She doesn't know that though, which is why she opts for the strategy that she does. I don't blame her either, considering all of the other bullshit Gilgamesh has in his vault. Aside from all of the weapons and his ancient Indian UFO, he also apparently has a NP that can block the multi-dimensional refraction thing that Tsubame Gaeshi does as well as another one that can nullify Gawain's Numeral of the Saint.

>>117655849
The only reason she didn't use it right at the start is because it's not much of a story if she completely wrecks the big bad in one second. That's it. It's an unbeatable item that makes the user immortal while blocking literally everything for "reasons".

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>>117655885
>Reading HA
>Lancer hitting on the track and field club
>Gon get dat black pantha pusi
Lancer a b0ss

>>117648950
I thought he looked shocked or something.

>>117655885
You could have made it into a story by having Gil use it as well since his bullshit treasure stores apparently contained it at some point. They're supposed to have contained everything, right?

>>117655991
They contain everything that's the product of human ingenuity. Both Excalibur and Avalon were not forged by human hands, which is why he does not have a prototype for either like he does with most other things. There are a few other heroes to whom this also applies, most notably Karna from CCC.

>>117655676
The whole existence of Gilgamesh in the Fate franchise is bullshit.

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>>117649578
>His turning point was when he saw the same people that he saved were trying to kill him
He didn't care about that at all. What broke him was that as a Counter Guardian he was forced to betray his ideals forever.

>>117649379

>not Tohsaka's nasu

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>>117656165

>>117656228
Fucking destroyed

>>117656160
almost as bullshit as avalon

almost

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>>117648950

>>117655849
>She doesn't know that though

Anyone who says "There's absolutely no weakness or anything that can be done about it" is bullshitting at best or wanking at worst. Truth is we really don't know, exactly because she used it correctly. No counter measure could have been made because it was used right.

Just because an item was never beaten in the story is it invincible? Does that mean Rule Breaker or Unlimited Blade Works are invincible since we never saw them beaten in the story?

There's no such thing as an almighty NP. However if you use it right, then even if it was D rank it will surely work correctly with the right strategy. Avalon isn't almighty just because we never saw it defeated, that only means it was used correctly. Whoever shows their trump card first will lose out, and Gilgamesh showed his shit first.

>>117656218
>Tohsaka's nasu
>nasu
>anus
How did I only just now realize this?

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>>117656146
7/10 made me smile.

>>117656165
This feels like a refutation of every fucking thing that happened in HF, before you even get to read HF. It really makes you wonder how Shirou got through that route sane

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>>117656290

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>>117656165
Guy says he didn't blame the guy for betraying him, couldn't be helped. Archer says he was the one who messed things up between them. He saved him before, they were outlaw buddies for a bit, but then Archer went too far with his JUSTICE, and his friend ratted him out to the cops.

It needs not be said what happened next, his life was ended by the court. Not because he killed others and needed to atone with his life like he wanted, but simply because he would not become theirs.

>>117656259
When i see a counter I'll consider your argument but since it breezed off the holy grail darkness and the sword of kings all at once so easily i'll assume its unbeatable unless you can find a flaw for me. Oh it also healed Shirou who was stabbed by Cu's weapon which should be unhealable.

I fucking hate the OP song.

God, couldn't Ufotable have picked a better artist and song that this shit?

>>117656252
No, it's THE bullshit.

>>117656376
I fucking hate the OP in general. It's so shit compared to anything done for the Vita games, both the original novel and HA.

>>117656376
I really like the OP. The ending is pretty shitty, though.

>>117656465
What the fuck
I hate the op and I like the ed

>>117656496
The ending sounds too much like heavenly blue.

Why didn't Caster summon Kuzuki as Assassin?

Man, imagine the shitstorm of the secondaries if they end cour 1 with Archer saying "Trace On"

>>117656165
>>117656228

Archer was just having a middle aged Servant crisis like Saber.

>>117656519
cause she'd rather be dominated by him

>>117655991
>>117656057

Gilgamesh = wields human ingenuity.
Arturia = wields human ideals.

Gilgamesh = has a sword that cut down the world and destroy precious dreams and delusions.
Arturia = has a sheath that transports her into literal delusional fantasy world land away from reality.

It's the conflict between the earthly and the ethereal.

>>117656635
Speaking of which, how did Caster fall for him so completely?

>>117656376
It's obvious in exchange of a big budget from Aniplex, ufotable must accept any new artists that Sony want to promote or popularized.

Usually popular artists are chosen for OP and ED to promote the anime, but Fate series does not need that so Sony just put new singers in it so Fate popularity can promote the artists and increase CD sales. That's why ufotable always gets generic songs for their OP.

>>117656376
Why not just take Disillusion 2010 and apply it to the video.

http://youtu.be/wfa859mcPms

>>117656709
Didn't know humans were aliens in ancient Mesopotamia

>>117656623
Secondaries are already starting to catch on that Archer might be Shirou. I'm pretty sure it's gonna seal the deal when Shirou summons his swords in an episode or two.

>>117656725
He accepted her as a witch and let her act like a dom. Had to do with how everyone in her previous life hated her.

>>117656748

FZ EDs were good though.

>>117656709
wasn't even a contest

>>117656773

When I mean human ingenuity, I mean Gate of Babylon in general vs Excalibur.

While the second is Ea vs Avalon (which stands only for Arturia's personal dream).

>I'm used to seeing dead bodies
>It happened to me once before

>>117654539

This.

>>117656709
>Gilgamesh = has a sword that cut down the world and destroy precious dreams and delusions.

It's the sword that created the world

>Enuma Elish (The Star of Creation That Split Heaven and Earth)
>Gilgamesh's final Noble Phantasm which reveals creation--the beginning of everything.
>The severing of space which comes from the Sword of Rupture, Ea, the sword crowned with the name of a god from Mesopotamian mythology.
>The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth.
>Many gods began building nations after the the primordial earth was stabilized into a world where living creatures could live, but Ea is a god who performed the act of building of planet before that.
>Gilgamesh's sword, which is crowned with Ea's name, changes space itself by agitating space-time through the rotation of three layers of giant power fields.
>It's true power is not something to be used against a single living creature but against the world. Even among the many Noble Phantasms possessed by Servants, it is one considered to be at the top, the sword "which tore apart the world."

Deification of the creation of the planet, by tearing apart the two realms thus separating them. That which reveals the face of the planet, the primordial sea.

>>117656709
>Arturia
>retarded girl that would become a NEET and kill herself if not for pulling the sword out of the rock

>Gilgamesh
>Not the hero we deserve, but the one we need right now. A perfect human, a perfect ruler and a perfect hero.

Gil rocks, Saber sucks.

>>117656774
Few of my friends are secondaries, and just casuals in general. They don't suspect a thing so far.

>>117656849
>It's the sword that created the world
>beaten by the sheath of some sword blessed by a few fairies
10/10 writing nasu

>>117656856

Gil is a NEET too.

>>117656829
He wandered around the fire seeing enough corpses to fill the designated quota of being mentally fucked.

>>117656882
>It's true power is not something to be used against a single living creature but against the world.

Gilgamesh was using it wrong during that fight, and every fight in F/SN until Ataraxia.

You don't see its actual power until Ataraxia.

>>117656904
Because he despaired at the current status of the humanity and become one. Also he has anything and everything.

Saber is a useless piece of shit NEET at heart.

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Alright, I finished Fate/Zero recently and I have a number of questions regarding this guy

Why did it never cross his mind to just use Berserker to kill Zouken, or, failing that, destroy the worm room and get Sakura to safety? I know Zouken's worms wouldn't allow Kariya to act against him, but that obviously didn't extend to simple speech or commands since he verbalized a desire to kill Zouken at one point.

Was his butthurt about losing Aoi to Tokiomi so fucking massive that he couldn't stow it long enough to ask Tokiomi if he really knew what had happened to Sakura? Did he even give a shit about anything other than his vengeance?

He was related to Zouken, grew up around him, and got to know him enough to know that the man was a right cunning bastard with nothing good in mind for anyone but himself. Was he really so stupid to think that Zouken would keep his promise, even after all that? Did he really believe he could just take Sakura and walk away? What was his exit strategy, his plan for after he won?

Why in god's name would he go along with Zouken and summon the Berserker class? Being the incompetent, ill-trained mage he is, would it not make more sense for him to try and summon someone into Caster class so he wouldn't have to kill himself by expending mana because Caster could just generate mana on its own? Why didn't he even make the suggestion?

>>117656811
Avalon exists in the Nasuverse as another dimention, the one in which the elementals such as the fairies live. The sheath grants its bearer a short entry to that realm and allows no outside intervention whatever that might be.

On another note, it's funny how a "personal dream" as you say beat "has a sword that cut down the world and destroy precious dreams and delusions.". Must've been hard to cope with.

>>117656984
Kariya was chunni as fuck.

>>117656984
>Being the incompetent, ill-trained mage he is, would it not make more sense for him to try and summon someone into Caster class so he wouldn't have to kill himself by expending mana because Caster could just generate mana on its own? Why didn't he even make the suggestion?

Kariya is a retard all around but Caster class is a tricky one for magi since the Caster servant summons are much better maga than their summoner, they are prone to rebellion.

>>117656882
>>117656949
You're fucking fucktards if you take that description literally.

Ea is not anti-world in the sense that it is anti-planet. Ea is anti-world in the sense that it has to do with marbles.

Going with you fucktards' logic, we might as well take "Sword of Promised Victory" literally as well. Oh wait.

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I completely lost interest in her character after we started exploring her. I wish she just remained 'the Servant'.

>>117656990

I like Saber and Gil. I think Gate of Babylon > Excalibur (as ingenuity of men can trump ideals) but Avalon > Ea (because a personal dream is stronger than an impersonal dream-cutter. Sure Ea and Avalon had other more specific traits, but those are what they stand for Gil and Arturia).

>>117656990
World-breaker effect and beamspam effect are pretty night and day, and when he activates the former its a rather noticeable difference in power and shattering. Beam-mode is nothing but s large beam for the most part, Anti-World mode will literally shatter the world around them if used. He's the King of Carelessness for a reason, because he never does anything right due to his vanity. Almost like a shiny version of Matou Shinji, except he actually has as much talent as he claims.

>A Servant with the titles of King of Vanity, King of Blundering, Gold Pika, ORESAMA/WARESAMA.
>Gilgamesh, without mistake, the strongest of the Servants. If he only wasn't so damned careless and cocky.
>Special skill is the "word of the King" - the ability to use a 1st person pronoun that is written as "ware" and said as "ore". Basically the "I'm the king of the world, foolish mongrels" kind of pronoun.
>If Tohsaka makes stupid mistakes, this guy screws up just because of his vanity.
>The one that showed up in the broad bridge scene in hollow ataraxia, AKA GILGAMESH NAKED (like how Naked Jehuty is the strongest of the Jehuty versions), was one of the few times where he fought seriously (in the once in a lifetime serious mode kind of way).
>An asshole but everybody still loves him, just like they love Raymond. Also popular among the kiddies and has golden fishing rods. Currently a gag character. Reads Shounen Jump too. Probably the weekly one.

>>117657097
>maga
*mage

>>117657110
That's her role in UBW, alright.

>>117657097
>they are prone to rebellion
And Berserker isn't? Besides, both of the Casters I've seen were completely loyal anyway

>>117656882
Can you even read. The God, Ea, created the world, not the fucking sword.

The sword just has the god's name but it wasn't responsible for creating the world.

Next thing a newfag like yourself is gonna tell me is that you actually think the chain that Gil uses aka Enkidu is the actual Enkidu.

>>117657103
>Ea is not anti-world in the sense that it is anti-planet.
Of course, Anti-Planet is a different classification

>Ea is anti-world in the sense that it has to do with marbles.

That's entirely wrong though; it's not something that exists because reality marbles exist, rather it's Anti-World because it is supposed to target the world itself.

This will become obvious for you if you look into the other Anti-World NPs out there. They're all things that target the world around them, rather than "One person, one castle, one fortress, or an army".

There's between four and seven Anti-World NPs at the moment, look into it.

>>117657110
Haha, fuck you.

I bet you'd also want Lancer to be just "the Dog" or Kotomine to be just "the Priest that talks too much", or Rin to be just "the Tsundere goof-up", right?

>>117657147
>And Berserker isn't?
No. Berserkers are mindless servants.

>Besides, both of the Casters I've seen were completely loyal anyway
Medea killed his original summoner. Zero Caster act buddy-buddy since they were both crazy murderers.

>>117657165
In before someone says "That doesn't mean it can blow up the planet", you'd be stupid if that's what you thought this post was saying though.

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>>117656753

It's a godawful song, no matter how you spin it.

>>117657186
No, just Saber. She's not very interesting at all.

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>>117652525
>Sakura's his family too, she's the reason he pulled himself out the hole he had after Kiritsugu died. Taiga couldn't do much, it was Sakura.
Other way around.

Shirou was already "normal" by the time Sakura started coming over, he didn't act any different in the flashbacks.

>>117657191
>his
*her
God damnit, I need a coffee.

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So why does Gil grow up to be evil again?

>>117656829
He has recurring dreams about the fire. I think that counts.

>>117656725
>>117656776
Quit fanwanking. It literally says that Caster only fell for Kuzuki only because he treated her nicely.

There wasn't none of that acceptance bullshit you just made up.

Caster would have fallen for anyone who acted differently from Greek men,

>>117657288
I agreed until I saw Zero. Zero made me like her. She should have been written that way to begin with

>>117657342

That's exactly what he said?

>>117657351
The zerofags are coming! Hide your women and children!