>>117643215 about how she could have beaten double jesus aqua because >electricity > water >magnetism effecting his mace/lance thing >radar to follow his movements >generally having a more versatile set of abilities
>>117643737 >double jesus Stop baiting, reverse troll. There's no way is she going to beat him. Even if I tried to amp up my Misakifag googles, there's no chance in hell. Misaka was already pushing her luck against a normal Saint that luckily didn't use magic and was a heavy metal user.
>>117646256 2 years is still quite new. But anyways, you have a lot to watch out and be wary of in Raildex threads. THK = tsunhater-kun. As the name suggests, he hate tsundere and usually shitposts about them, repeatedly with bait-like posts.He's most active in Raildex, but can be really active outside of it for other series. He also posts hate copypasta for Misaka, which is something you'll noticed once you see them.
More importantly though, you should go read the light novels if you want to fully participate in Raildex threads.
>>117648112 Well I kinda disagree and agree. Mikoto turns into this realy cute girl once she realise she loves Punch Man and is near him. Of course, in the later Novels this kinda fades away and she becomes unimportant. Kuroko is only bearable whenever she is around Uiharu.
>>117643215 She's a bad tsundere that's shoehorned in the novels just for fanservice. She's obviously too popular to be removed, but Kamachi doesn't want her to touch the main story either. Good choice for him to write her like he is doing now.
Nah. Shitty tsunderes winning is always expected by me. No surprise or frustrattion happens when the tsunbitch is definitely going to win in a series. That's why I like Index. I know Kamachi will not disappoint me. He always puts the tsundere in her respective place, which is forever alone, ignored, ditched and evaded by her love interest, with zero chances of being taken seriously and the MC feeling any affection or liking towards her.
>>117648568 She's normally more badass on her own when she is a protagonist in Railgun, but she's cutest when she's with Touma. There are times when she can be equally badass because of Touma though in Index.
>>117648773 >What THK wants people to believe Don't quit your job to spam butthurt pasta 24/7 on /a/ now.
>>117648946 I'm a NEET approaching the end of my rope. I assure you I haven't stopped lurking every day for the past 7 years. The whole franchise decreases in popular over time, that's normal. Fanbase for characters diminish proportionally to that decrease. In the end, it still means the most popular then remains the most popular still, with size having dwindled some.
The only real change around here is people like spammer and you.
>>117643215 Kamachi should cut her completely from the novels and use Railgun to develop her far more as a character. She would benefit far more as a character in Railgun, and the novels would benefit from not having her forced into the novels for popularity.
>>117649128 I wasn't talking about popularity in general, but the popularity of that particular ship.
People just grew tired of the same tsundere shit with no development for over 30 novels. It's reached a point where fans of the girl don't want to see her interacting with her love interest due to how repetitive and annoying their scenes have become. This sentiment is more remarkeable when new and fresh heroines interact with Touma, providing a much needed change of atmosphere and dynamic for him, and people naturally will compare and realize that Mikoto just can't keep up with them. She's a failure as a tsundere, and should give up already, since she's never going to have interesting or memorable interactions with Touma.
I'm over here >>117650419 and you didn't prove anything other than inject your own opinion. It must really bother that she's still the most popular ship, doesn't it? That's why you're so touchy and always feel the need to prove people wrong.
>>117650622 >>117650673 Nope. That's just how you want to see things. For anyone who is neutral and has lurked in here long enough, these opinions aren't rare or uncommon. More and more people grow tired of the tsundere shit with each novel.
You can't say with a straight face that there's the same excitement and enthusiasm for Mikoto x Touma interactions now compared to years ago. You can't deny that there is a sizable part of the fanbase that thinks Touma is the worst part about her by far, and that she should stay in Railgun.
Hell, Othinus got a far more positive reception than Mikoto ever did in terms of shipping with Touma, mostly thanks to the fact that she actually had meaningful development with him and was solid and strong enough to be more than another haremette.
>>117649420 I'm not a Mikotofag (I'm a Kurokofag), but I still do like Mikoto and I will admit you do bring up some good points as to why her popularity is waning. But this isn't her fault. It's Kamachi-san's for not giving her and Touma any good development, as you say, for 30 some novels. He had a real chance to give her and Touma some true development in their relationship, (And people loved the potential match-up), but he chose to have Touma run all over the world instead with an even more useless and unlikable loli nun. And now Kamachi-san is stuck in a rut with "Heroine of the arc" syndrome. He's not really keeping it fresh; it's getting repetitive and WAY over complicated and congested with characters.
As a fellow author, I've written the occasional fanfic, I just hate it when authors get into the "wash, rinse, repeat" cycle of things. I wouldn't mind it so much if Kamachi-san used these arcs to build and develop Mikoto and Touma's relationship and bring them closer together. Hell I wouldn't mind if it went slowly and it does take 30 some volumes to get from the first "I love you" to the first true kiss. But instead he's in the heroin of the arc and same ol' punching the bad guy repeat routine and it's quickly getting on my nerves. I'm actually getting ready to drop it if Kamachi-san doesn't do something drastic (like killing off Index... which I would love to see).
This is why I hate such manga as Naruto, Onepiece (Especially Onepiece), and Bleach. Because they just keep going without end. And they just repeat the same bullshit routine over and over again.
tl;dr - Kamachi-san has set his stories to "heroine of the arc" repeat, which ruined his chance to develop Touma and Mikoto's relationship which many people wanted (and still want for the most part) to see happen.
>>117651047 They don't have to be rare or uncommon to be a minority. You can't change what it is.
>can't say with a straight face that there's the same excitement and enthusiasm That's because: >The whole franchise decreases in popular over time, that's normal. Fanbase for characters diminish proportionally to that decrease. You're just stating the obvious. And as said: >In the end, it still means the most popular then remains the most popular still, with size having dwindled some. Unlike people like you who are compelled to be vocal against the most popular pairing (if it wasn't that popular, you wouldn't care), fans who ship Mikoto and Touma tend not to be vocal because they feel secure knowing their ship is the most popular. They don't feel threaten like detractors do. >sizable part of the fanbase that thinks Touma is the worst part about her by far, and that she should stay in Railgun. Yeah, yuri fans and/or fans who don't like tsundere. It's the same general fans being discussed here who are the minority.
>Othinus An exception to the rule. Don't be coy and play that card now.
>>117651462 >They don't feel threaten like detractors do.
This is the funniest thing I've read today. Nobody has ever felt threatened by Mikoto at all. Everyone knows she has absolute zero chances of anything significant with Touma. Detractors hate on their relationship because it is stale, underdeveloped and half-assed and doesn't contribute anything to the story, not because they feel she is going to steal the romantic flags with him. Everyone knows she's never going anywhere with him. She's harmless to other ships.
If that was the case, people would hate Othinus as she is the girl who got the closest to Touma and has been the only serious threat to all the other girl's ships so far. But she earned her popularity.
>>117651785 More like all that's is part of the ammo they push to further their hate. You sure are naive and still that new here. When waifu war is concern, the girls who are a viable threat will always be in the middle, if not the cause of a waifu war fling. People don't care for irrelevant and sunk ships. Since day 1, Mikoto has always been at the center because she's one of the main heroines thus has a chance, no matter how slim.
Before Misaki and Othinus, it was Index shippers that was on the opposition. Misaki had shipping and often clashed with Mikoto shippers. Othinus too after NT9. But both of those two sunk in the same volume their ship truly set sail in, so there's no reason to pay attention to their shipping as serious contention anymore.
Far as popularity goes, Othinus is simply just fresh and new. It's natural people jump onto that. She makes 98% of the other heroines vastly pale in comparison given her treatment and circumstance with Touma via plot, so it's not remotely sensible to compare her to others.
>>117651785 You underestimate Mikoto's popularity, regardless of how you feel, she is so incredibly unfairly popular that Kamachi would need real balls to definitively sink her ship. If the series ends without any girl "winning," I'd definitely attribute that to Mikoto's popularity wrecking any other girl's chances.
>>117652366 Usually in a harem where there is any sort of romantic conclusion, the MC would develop feelings for one of them, this has not happened for Touma therefore he will probably get an inconclusive ending.
>>117652485 Also to clarify, I don't want it to seem like I'm singling Mikoto out, all the girls kind of have one-sided feelings as well, I was just responding to someone who was supporting Mikoto, for better or worse though Touma won't end up with anybody.
Suddenly, time warp. Let's go back before the writing went into a complete mess.
>And thus, the day’s extra lessons ended.
>It was 6:40 PM. Kamijou had missed the last train that left at the same time all students were to have left school, so he was leisurely walking through a shopping district. In order to prevent students from spending all night out, the last trains and buses in Academy City all left at 6:30 PM. The idea was that people would not go out late at night if the transportation system was stopped.
>(I’m not sure if I should be glad it’s only one more day or be complaining that there’s still another day. At any rate, this has gone on way too long. Dammit. Once it’s all over, I’m going to the beach!)
>Kamijou thought to himself as he returned home that evening. It didn’t look like the wind was blowing, but the blades of the wind turbines were definitely turning.
>Kamijou spotted a familiar-looking back amid the crowd. It belonged to a brown-haired girl wearing a Tokiwadai Middle School summer uniform. It was Misaka Mikoto.
>Kamijou had no real reason to avoid her, so he jogged a bit to catch up with her.
>“Hey. Are you on the way home from some extra lessons, too?”
>“Ahn?” was Mikoto’s unfeminine response. “Oh, it’s you. I’m pretty tired and I want to preserve the strength I have left, so don’t make me biri biri you. So what do you want?”
>“Nothing really. We just happened to be on the same road, so I just thought we could walk together.”
>“Oh?” Mikoto’s eyes narrowed a bit. “You ‘just thought’ you could walk with a Tokiwadai lady? Heh. Do you have any idea how much effort guys put into taking that position?”
>“…It’s pretty bad to be referring to yourself as a ‘Tokiwadai lady’.”
>“I was joking, you idiot.” Mikoto stuck her tongue out a bit. “What you learn at your school is more important than where you go to school, anyway. I’m sure you’re old enough to know at least that much.”
>“Hmm. Well, everyone has their own field they specialize in. By the way, is your little sister not with you? I wanted to thank her for carrying the drinks yesterday.”
>Mikoto’s eyebrows twitched slightly.
>It was only a few millimeters, but those few millimeters seemed odd to Kamijou.
>“My little sister…? Did you meet her after that?”
>Kamijou recalled that Mikoto had grabbed Misaka Imouto’s hand and forcibly pulled her away from him. Should he have kept it a secret that they met after that?
>Mikoto narrowed her eyes slightly.
>“Are you that interested in this little sister?”
>“No. I just wanted to thank her for carrying the drinks yester-…”
>“So you choose the little sister despite us being visually identical? Or can you not choose and you want both of us together?”
>“I said no! Where the hell did you get that kind of knowledge!!”
>Kamijou and Mikoto walked along a main street continuing their argument in that vein.
>Many different wind turbines stood along the street. Kamijou looked up at the spinning blades and then noticed a blimp floating in the evening sky. The exhibition screen on the side was displaying the day’s news. Apparently, three research facilities related to muscular dystrophy had been evacuated over a two week period and there was concern over the intense cold coming to the entire city.
>The conversation trailed off because Kamijou’s focus turned to the blimp. A blimp may sound old-fashioned, but it used solar power to heat carbon dioxide with a heater for lift and to spin a large motor for thrust, so it was an ecological craft that did not need fuel.
>Because of the effort that must have gone into developing the thing, Kamijou wondered if the world’s supply of oil was about to run out. The concept didn’t particularly bother him.
>“Ahn? Why?” Kamijou asked as he looked back up toward the blimp. He was pretty sure he had heard that the blimps had been sent out because Academy City’s board of directors had said the students needed to be more aware of current events.
>“…Because people follow the policies decided on by a machine,” said Mikoto quietly in response as if she were spitting out something that annoyed her greatly.
>Kamijou turned his gaze back to Mikoto in surprise. There was nothing odd about her face. There was nothing odd at all. It was as if a crumbling clay mask had been remade while he wasn’t looking.
>“What’s with you? What’s that thing called? Um…Tree Diagram, was it? Hah, are you the kind of person that can’t stand it when a machine beats a human at chess?”
>Simply put, Tree Diagram was the world’s smartest super computer. It was the ultimate simulator created under the pretext of being a perfect weather forecaster.
>Weather forecasting may sound familiar, but that was a field where things could only be forecasted. They could not be declared as fact. Because the movements of each of the air particles that created “weather” were incredibly complex and intertwined with the butterfly effect and chaos theory, one could say that there was an 80% chance of rain the next day, but one could not say that it would definitely rain at 9:10:00 AM. That started to enter into the realm of quantum mechanics.
>However, Tree Diagram had moved weather forecasting to weather predicting.
>It did not do anything complicated. Basically, if it could perfectly predict the movements of every particle in the air around the world, there was only one answer it could come up with.
>Tree Diagram had ridiculous enough specs to do that, but some people theorized that its use for weather forecasting was just a front and it actually had some other true use.
>Incidentally, there was one irregular aspect of Tree Diagram’s weather forecasts.
>It calculated the weather forecast for an entire month all at once.
>There was no real problem with that because it was still accurate, but it still seemed like unnecessary effort. After all, next month’s weather was much, much more likely to be off than tomorrow’s weather. If the goal was accurate weather forecasts, it would be better to redo the calculations each day.
>Yet the Tree Diagram used the more difficult method.
>It was rumored that the leftover time was used for research simulations.
>Drug reactions, physiological reactions, electrical reactions, and all sorts of other things could be calculated by Tree Diagram and a couple of tests cold confirm the answer given. Being able to create a new drug like that almost sounded crazy. According to the rumor, there were researchers that did not know how to use a test tube and who did not like touching lab rats.
>A super computer with that much power had plenty of enemies. Human supremacists who hated machines could try to blow it up in a terrorist attack at any time and AI supremacists who hated people might try to sneak into the storage area for Tree Diagram to steal the technology.
>In order to protect it from external enemies, Tree Diagram was currently kept in a place where human hands could not reach it.
>Basically, the satellite launched by Academy City was Tree Diagram.
>The fact that Academy City could privately use the kind of rocket technology that was usually only allowed by national agencies showed just how much influence Academy City had on the world.
>(Well, the fact they allowed it also shows how valuable it was.)
>Kamijou stared blankly up at the evening sky. Tree Diagram was orbiting outside the atmosphere even then and it was possible it would continue calculating even if the world ended.
>>117652132 Again, her detractors' main reason to undermine her, and the reason why fans have gotten tired of her as tsundere is her lack of any significant development with Touma for more than 30 novels and lack of relevance to the plot, but she keeps appearing because she's popular. We see her more than any other girl in the franchise, and it is always for the same repetitive and shallow scenes with Touma, so it becomes easy to spot and point out her flaws as romantic heroine. Everyone knows she will never accomplish anything, realizing that the author is just throwing us a bone to keep the ship alive. It's nothing to do with popularity but the amount of uninteresting screentime she gets.
>Othinus too after NT9. But both of those two sunk in the same volume their ship truly set sail in, so there's no reason to pay attention to their shipping as serious contention anymore. That only applies for Misaki. Othinus still remains as the closest girl to Touma, and will stay by his side as the closest girl to him until the series ends.
>so it's not remotely sensible to compare her to others. Why not? People don't consider such things for liking a character. She's more than "fresh and new". She singlehandedly raised the most OTP points in one volume than the other girls combined in the whole series. She gained fans by having the best chemistry and scenes with Touma in the whole franchise. She's an example of what Kamachi could have done for other heroines over the course of the series, resumed in just one and under special circumstances.
>“It’s a steel brain watching down on mankind from above, but it can’t turn on us or anything. This isn’t some cheap SF movie. It’s just like a bank ATM. It operates according to the buttons you press.”
>No matter how powerful a supercomputer it was, Tree Diagram could only operate based on the commands people gave it. It was the same as how ATMs did not ruin people’s lives because machines were revolting. They did it because they were not being used properly.
>Mikoto did not respond and looked up into the evening sky again. Kamijou couldn’t tell if she was looking at the blimp or if her gaze went even further into the distance than that.
>“Tree Diagram…The world’s most powerful super computer that was launched aboard Academy City’s satellite, Orihime I, in order to analyze weather data. It has been determined that no one else will catch up to its level in another 25 years,” Mikoto muttered almost under her breath as if she were reading from an Academy City pamphlet. “They say that, but does such a ridiculous absolute simulator really exist?”
>Kamijou looked back toward Mikoto’s face, but…
>“Just kidding! Ah, I think I started to become a poet or something. Ah ha ha ha ha!!”
>Mikoto suddenly chopped Kamijou for no reason.
>Standing before him was indeed the lively, smart-assed, and selfish Misaka Mikoto.
>“Ow! What the hell was that for!?”
>“You really don’t have any dreams, do you? Doesn’t a friendship drama between a human and a high-level SF computer with a human heart sound like it would have some romance to it!?”
>“Or what about a maid battle robot?”
>“I said listen! And there’s no romance or any kind of friendship drama-like stuff to that thing! And are you really a ‘lady’!? I thought a lady read romance novels with a cup of tea in hand!?”
>“Hahn? Stop that, please. What age is that idol of an image from? I’m human too, so I read manga at the convenience store every Monday and Wednesday.”
>>117652397 Kamachi doesn't really care about popularity. Otherwise Mikoto would have been a MC of the novels since ages ago.
Mikoto's popularity has done nothing for her. Kamachi still gives other girls better treatment, like better and more important/climatic scenes with Touma, and more relevance for the plot, which allows them to create more impactful and memorable scenes. He might feel obliged to not leave her behind and include her in the novels, but you seriously can see the difference in the quality of writing between her scenes and the other girls'.
>>117652794 >Othinus still remains as the closest girl to Touma, and will stay by his side as the closest girl to him until the series ends. Once upon a time the same could have been said about Index, now people say Othinus, who knows if someone else will come along.
>>117652794 To undermine is a given for detractors. It's part of what they do.
You're still speaking for a minority, not the majority. Don't pretend to think those who were her fans would come to just dislike her for the same opinion you hold. Mikoto's nature as a tsundere hasn't changed drastically, but she has gotten more dere and has been there for Touma to share his burden. It's beyond unreasonable to even imagine most of her fans would turn against her like you want to claim.
Please, even if she's destined to lose, the effort and journey is what's important, not the destination at the end. One could say Mikoto a tragic heroine then since all the things she do for Touma won't be reciprocated. The feelings and effort is what matters.
>Othinus still remains as the closest girl One of the girls, yes, but her ship as shunk regardless, so there's no chance for a romantic pairing.
>Kamachi could have done for other heroines over the course of the series, resumed in just one and under special circumstances. If he did something similar before or or too many times, Othinus wouldn't be any special. She had unique circumstances going for her. And the build up was so grand that it was beyond global scale and required more than half a dozen volumes to get to. It's just not comparable.
>>117653091 >but she has gotten more dere and has been there for Touma to share his burden >One could say Mikoto a tragic heroine then since all the things she do for Touma won't be reciprocated. The feelings and effort is what matters.
The series has gotten to a point where this is not impressive or memorable in the least, especially compared to other heroines. I'm not saying that former fans are completely against her now, just that more and more people come to simply don't care and give up in the expectations of seeing her having something meaningful with Touma, to the point that everyone knows by now that it simply won't happen, and her screentime in the novels is just a huge waste. It's not wonder that sentiment is present, because her feelings for Touma are the only motives she has to be involved in the plot. There's a limit to how much an author can drag out an onesided relationship like hers, and that limit was reached long time ago.
>One of the girls, yes, but her ship as shunk regardless, so there's no chance for a romantic pairing. No, the only girl. And it is not completely dead. Kamachi can always pull something out of his ass to recover her normal size.
>If he did something similar before or or too many times, Othinus wouldn't be any special. She had unique circumstances going for her. And the build up was so grand that it was beyond global scale and required more than half a dozen volumes to get to. It's just not comparable. It is comparable in meta terms. She is an example of a relevant girl that got meanigful development for the plot and Touma's character. The author chose her for that end, and not one of the already established heroines.
>>117652861 >“…I don’t understand her. Is this what you call the characteristics of puberty? Or does she just hate me?”
It's funny how this initial impression of her is still valid at this point of the story.
Touma seriously can't be bothered to try to understand Mikoto and her personality. He doesn't care that she goes out of her way to travel to the other side of the world in the middle of a world war just to save him. He doesn't care that she goes to the other side of the world just to fight alongside him despite having no obligation, ties or connections to him or the problems he is involved with.
He might be thankful when it comes down to it, but he's not going to dedicate a special thought or monologue as to why she acts that way for him. He is not going to give her special treatment for what she does for him. He is not going to even consider the chance that she might like him and that being the reason she worries too much for him. He is not going to try to get closer to her despite all that. He is not going to grow any affection or feelings for her.
It baffles me how such an onesided, unrealistic and poorly written relationship can stll be so popular.
>>117653695 >not impressive or memorable Only if you compare it to Othinus, which I bet you do. >come to simply don't care and give up in the expectations > knows by now that it simply won't happen Still a minority. I can see people are rather disappointed thus want more and expect more because Kamachi is slacking at it. >only motives she has to be involved in the plot. Wrong. Railgin manga is clearly establishing her to be part of Aleister's plan. Even without that, to move for Touma isn't even a bad thing. That's just goes to show how much feelings she has and how far she would go for him. >limit was reached long time ago. No, not yet. It will only come to that after a huge event between the two of them. That's something most are still expecting since that'll be the only thing that can determine if the ship will be sunk or not.
>the only girl. Stop forgetting about Index. >it is not completely dead I would say your optimism is getting the better of you. Even if she returned to normal size, their relationship would definitely be the same as it is now, being just like Index.
>comparable in meta terms. To us, maybe, but not to the other girls in the series.
>>117654054 >What is dense protag >Wanting to see two opposite yet same individuals on some levels to understand/like each other >Bias Don't pretend you're new to harem, spammer.
>>117654217 >Only if you compare it to Othinus, which I bet you do. No. There's also The Will of the Network, Itsuwa, Misaki, Index, etc.
>I can see people are rather disappointed thus want more and expect more because Kamachi is slacking at it. That was true some years ago, but that sentiment switched to simply not wanting more, because more and more people come to realize that it is just pointless screentime that will not go anywhere, and that Kamachi never planned any kind of meaningful development with her and Touma.
>No, not yet. It will only come to that after a huge event between the two of them. That's something most are still expecting since that'll be the only thing that can determine if the ship will be sunk or not. That "huge" event was probably their scene in NT10. I bet things will stay the same for them after that supposedly "big" scene between the two, and that is going to feed that sentiment even more.
>Stop forgetting about Index. Index comes in second, but is far behind Othinus.
>To us, maybe, but not to the other girls in the series. Sucks to be them. Or not really for the girls that have their own goals and lifes outside Touma. Considering that, it only sucks for Mikoto, as she is the only girl that is actively trying to get closer to him and fight alongside him despite having no obligation or duty to do so. See, this is what separates her from the other heroines, and probably the main cause that generates this sentiment against her relationship with Touma and role in the novels.
>>117654682 >Will of the Network Mikoto already did something similar to what she did. >Itsuwa She's behind all the girls you mentioned plus Mikoto in terms of memorable and effort. Does not help she's forgotten and put on the back burner along with most other heroines indefinitely as not a serious contender. At the rate Birdway is going, she'll have more than Itsuwa by a lot. >Misaki She was behind before NT11 and still relatively is. They had a cute encounter a year ago, but that's that. Saving Touma in the present isn't something Mikoto hasn't done before herself. >Index She hasn't done anything worthwhile in a long time to up her status to other heroines. She has her closest position, but that's mostly it. >was true some years ago Was and still is. Not just here, but very much so in various other places.
>Index comes in second, but is far behind Othinus. Not really. Too bad Index is the other main girl so Othinus in the end has no real shot.
>it only sucks for Mikoto You know she still has her Imoutos to deal with and does have other things to deal with, something Railgun is use for to show. Her feelings for Touma might be the most important, but it's not everything.
>this is what separates her from the other heroines, and probably the main cause that generates this sentiment against her relationship with Touma and role in the novels. When you put it this way, you have a point or two, but in relation to the fact her chances of winning is low, very low given the direction Kamachi is set on going down. There won't be any winner in the end. Harem end is the most likely.
>>117654718 >Same "argument" spewed out a thousand times Have fun in the archive.
>>117655166 >Same "argument" spewed out a thousand times What? This is the first time I've made a post showing the lack of interest and affection Touma has for Mikoto despite the lengths she goes just for him, being the only girl that does that.
Touma jokes around with Othinus and flirts with her, and he definitely understands her better than any other girl due to spending thousands of years with her, but with Index his seeing her happy in that perfect world was what finally broke him, he's willing to lie to her so she won't leave him and angsts about it for several volumes, and he's shown bloodlust on her behalf when she's injured, I'd say they are pretty even despite them not doing much to deserve his affection
>>117655166 You're underestimating Itsuwa. She got closer to Touma than Mikoto ever was in vol 16. It doesn't matter that she's not relevant. Mikoto still hasn't topped her to this day when she has had more chances and time.
>Not really. Too bad Index is the other main girl so Othinus in the end has no real shot. Yes really, and Othinus has the same status as Index now. Probaly even more important given that she's more knowledgeable and useful than Index in battle. Kamachi won't throw away all the things done in NT10. Othinus will stay by Touma's side as the new main heroine until the end.
>Her feelings for Touma might be the most important, but it's not everything. It's everything she has in Index, which happens to be the subject at hand. Railgun is another whole story.
>but in relation to the fact her chances of winning is low, very low given the direction Kamachi is set on going down And everyone knows that too, that's why they don't want any more of the same shit in the novels. The relationship is only growing more and more one-sided, forced and unrealistic with no chances in hell of coming to fruition, be it postiively or negatively. The series doesn't need to drag it out any more. Enough of that already.
I don't get why the author is still pushing hard Mikoto's failure of a relationship with Touma onto us, when she has people around her, who are part of her everyday life, are loyal friends, and like and appreciate her for what she is.
>>117655615 Harem end is the status quo. Touma picks no one and his daily life continues as it is.
>>117655657 >closer to Touma than Mikoto But she didn't. Touma treats her the same as any other heroine not Othinus and Index. Since that's the case, scoring points with Touma and having awesome/memorable/cute scenes is the thing to go by. Mikoto's track record tops her.
>Kamachi won't throw away all the things done in NT10. Othinus will stay by Touma's side as the new main heroine until the end. Of course not. The point was simply the romance ship for the two sailed. Othinus is the new and better Index now and will surely be with him to the end.
>It's everything she has in Index She's a main heroine in Index that's a long work in progress who has already established herself beyond being a heroine of an arc. Everything after Index vol.3 is meant to develop her with Touma, and once she realized her feelings, what came after is a logically follow-up, which extended to NT.
Even if you say her plot is mainly carried out because of Touma, why is that bad? She already has Railgun to supplement her for outside of Touma. That gives Kamachi better use of time to give development between Touma and Mikoto without having to waste time developing Mikoto outside of Touma in Index.
Kamachi is already setting Mikoto up to be included deeper in Aleister's plan anyways, so future debates of this will be moot.
>Enough of that already. Everything you said about this is just a matter of opinion.
>>117643215 Is it just me, or does Mikoto have one of the part cutest, part sexiest, part loveliest faces? I dont think its a coincidence that her face creates 200+ post threads. Mikotobros are smitten and Mikoto haters are hard tsun because she is so cute.
>>117659794 >Saw and noticed Touma was about to jump off the roof >Changed to the thought of zapping to using her magnetic power on his belt to pull him back before he made a leap >Power went into effect the moment after Touma was in mid-air >IB negated the magnetic pull
Nice job cherrypicking and putting it out of context as ever, THK.
>>117660168 She knows it's his right hand that's special that negates things. That doesn't extend to his belt. The fact his belt got affected in the first place makes it obvious IB wasn't negating her power until after for whatever reason Touma acted on.
>kill him so no one could ever have him You were serious and now you're not. It never ends for you.
This thread brings up some interesting and solid points about Mikoto in the novels. I agree with most of the arguments against her relationship with Touma. The author should stop fooling the readers and drop the pretense.
>>117649627 Because voltage alone is pointless if you don't know amperage.
The standard analogy: Electricity is like water running through a pipe. Voltage is the water pressure, current (amperage) is the pipe's diameter. Power (V*A) is how much water comes out per second. Since what fries you is power, you can withstand obscenely high voltages if the current is just as low, and vice versa.
>>117684705 >>117682544 >>117681463 “Have you found something to make up for what happened?” asked the golden retriever walking with Kihara Yuiitsu. “It was clearly a mistake to contact the Magic Gods at that point. Did you finally learn your lesson now that you have to recover from getting a third of your body burned so badly?” sounds like he lost
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