Everyone seems to hate Rebuild Rei and Rei Q compared to NGE.
What's the general thought on Shikinami vs Soryu?
I have seen people say She is Anno's favorite, and that's why she became a better character, well everyone shit on Rei.
I mean Shikinami is obviously a lot more shallow then Soryu, simply because of the movie format. But they really trivalized most of her issues, and just made her kind of a loner.
In 2.0 she had a crush on Shinji, and worked on trusting people sorta. Shinji and Shikinami probably could have hooked up pretty early and had a mostly normal stable relationship, something would have taken years of therapy for Shinji and Soryu.
Outside of that though, Shikinamis entire character is basically defined by Shinji at this point. Sure she does get some pretty badass fight scenes, but other then that, she feels like she is only there for Shinji to win her back. Even the few pieces of dialog Mari gets are about Shinji and Asuka.
They basically got rid of all of Soryu's flaws and made her into a super badass waifu.
Do Asukafags hate Shikinami as much as Reifags hate Q? Do you think they can both co-exist with out ruining the other?
2.0 Shikinami is a lot like second quarter Soryu anyway, except with more waifuing. I don't think it's degradation of the character considering 2.0 Shinji got legitimately buffed up on badass.
3.0 doesn't exist.
While I am aware I don't speak for every Asuka fan, I don't hate Shikinami. Soryu is undeniably the superior Asuka, but I don't have to hate Shikinami. They're both still Asuka.
After all, there are plenty of other things about Rebuild to hate.
Shikinami revolves around Shinji, whether Shinji is not on screen or on screen, she will be saying
She is a flawless character and more waifu-like than Soryu, who was fucked up and often tolerable
the end of the rebuild of the end of evangelions rebuilt end will come of it
returning it to the return to nothingnesses return to nothing nothing return return nothing return 4.44
3.33 says hello. That was good, and she didn't die in 2.22 either. Not my fault you can't pay attention.
The master will deliver. Manga delivered (in the end), EoE delivered and Rebuild will also deliver.
I'm sitting pretty comfy right now.
Her getting crushed and almost dying was just more setup to make Shinji suffer.
Now she has pretty thick plot armor until she and Shinji make up.
Then she could totally bite it, if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
>Then she could totally bite it, if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
>if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
There is no if about it Anon. He will go weird if he expects the next entry of the series to be a success.
>3.33 says hello.
The film where she had less screentime than fucking 2.22 and was even more irrelevant?
Where she got replaced by a totally new character after being sidelined for most of it?
Where she got killed by gay angel jesus clones and choked by Shinji?
>Rebuild will also deliver.
>She's like Asuka with no depth and flaws
Yeah she is pretty bad
Of course she didn't die, but after being a lame socially awkward girl with a crush on a boy she knew for a week they just threw her out the film for muh Mari. And she was barely in 3.0.
Just watch 4.0 be a Mari film now that they are expanding on her. Asuka has 0 connection to the plot.
Around the time of 2.0 lots of Asukafags were really upset about Shikinami. However, since the fanbase is largely underage they've forgotten that and now embrace Shikinami.
No but flaws are what made Asuka good.
Oh please, Asuka has been clearly defend in the rebuilds, with one of the main writers, Tsurumaki, saying stuff like "I'm an asuka guy so I wouldn't like this scene to go away" we should be worried about Final being an Asuka movie
Flaws don't make a character good. They can just as easily make them worse.
Shikinami has flaws too, but she can get around them somewhat and 4.0 will elaborate on the flaws she has in 3.0.
Yeah he's doing a pretty shit job at giving any kind of relevance or good characterization at all so I wouldn't hold my breath. All she'll be used for is the odd ugly CG fight scene and then die.
She and Shinji don't have a relationship to expand upon and she has no connection to the plot.
Just because she has Tsurumaki's protection and isn't being actively shat on like Rei doesn't mean Rebuild did anything for her character
Not really, Shikinami was voted most popular in several polls. She was always very well liked but some did complain, even I.
They had changed the character and maybe killed it, so I was just worried. Nothing wrong with that.
Now with 3.0 it's clear that it was all good.
>Shikinami has flaws too
Yeah, tsundere stopped being a flaw sometime in the 90's. Soryu had actual flaws.
>4.0 will elaborate on the flaws she has in 3.0.
4.0 might also suck gigantic dick, involve another retarded time-skip and elaborate on nothing
>She and Shinji don't have a relationship to expand upon and she has no connection to the plot.
>eva pilot that's important
>only real sane pilot left
>holding Shinji's hand and her arc in 3.0 is about Shinji
Reifag pls. Go be mad about how evil tsurumaki is in your own threads.
The Shiro Sagisu thing shows Asuka and Shinji walking in the desert. Gonna be good.
In Asuka's case, her flaws as well as character complexes are what gave people the ability to dig deeper into her character and think about what makes her tick.
Shikinami is a generic tsun waifu. Her biggest flaw is being too moe.
You guys are taking quality over what is in fact there, of course new Asuka is worse in quality than old Asuka, but the point is, new Asuka is made to be popular above all things. She went trough Bardiel and instead of being crippled she got angel suporpower and eternal youth, a new character was added to rival her and in 3.0 she is nothing but Asuka's yuribait sniper who is there to remind the audience that Asushin is still a thing (Fucking hell, she even yells that after Kaworu dies, blaming Shinji for "not saving the princess)
All I head is bitching and whining from an irrelevant misanthrope. Wait and see.
So far it's great.
She has severe issues stemming from the 14 years she had fighting. You can't pretend it's not there.
What I want from Asuka is fundamentally different from what many other fags want of their favorite character. I don't want her to be happy, I want her to be depressed. I want her to break apart. I want to see her crack. When she's happy and confident, that's just a mask. Her true self doesn't show until that all comes off, and down in the darkest depths, that is where she truly shines.
So Shikinami may have some pretty outfits, and that's cool, but she's not what I want from Asuka. I can only enjoy Shikinami on that surface level as that's really all she's got going for her.
>she got angel suporpower and eternal youth,
If I wanted power level garbage instead of actual characterisation I would read Anima
>So far it's great.
Just kill yourself
Asuka has been pretty important so far actually. Bringing down Shinji and handling key components for the Wunder. She's used to symbolically say lots of important things, and is the last one standing.
Shikinami is a fucking Mary Sue, Shinji is constantly punished by the plot whenever he don't do what she wants
By this point of time in NGE she was trying to comit suicide and left aside by most of Nerv. In Rebuild she is the ace pilot of the wunder (Mari is under her orders in case you didn't notice) and is constantly brought upon a favorable light
Of course you don't want that shit, you are a sane person, but don't pretend that the shit is there to make Asuka less popular and less important.
Shikinami made me actually like Asuka more than I did.
>Implying she even got an arc
>implying having her character just being baka shinji is good
She won't even win again because Shinji gayed it up with Kaworu again and he already won. She's can't be a love interest, she can't be plot relevant, she can't even get depth. The only thing to look forward to is some fights but they will be CGshit.
Soryu is better because she reacts like a person and not like an anime character.
Shikinami is like something Asuka would write, if Asuka wrote an Eva fanfic about herself.
Not my Asuka.
But I can use her to inflict pain upon the Reifags, so she is not worthless.
Shikinami is what Soryu would be if she were inserted into a generic harem show instead of NGE. She has no depth, her backstory is cut down to a 2 second scene where she talks to a handpuppet. Her obsession with becoming mature and earning respect is gone, replaced with a generic tsundere personality. Instead of being her own character, her whole attitude is based off of Shinji. If someone were to think that shikinami is superior in any way, they're a casual when it comes to anime.
Everyone including me loves it. Two-three vocal Asukafags out of a thousand don't.
We're going to get some really interesting stuff in 3.0+1.0, find out more about Asuka and her past, and maybe even deny that crappy Mari ship at it.
Retarded Kaworufag detected.
>They're just friends
>inb4 you claim she was just joking because you're butthurt
Do it faggot.
Asuka is going to win again and get some important stuff to do in 4.0, and I'm damned excited.
Yes Shinji is going to stay loyal to his dead love and rebuild the world.
Wait that sounds familiar...
>Asuka is Misato-zoned
This, if it already wasn't obvious with little nods like her rushing while talking on the phone, trying to snap Shinji out of his state and dragging him, or now wearing Misato's old colors (red/purple)
Asuka is her own character in Rebuild though. She's got a long history at WILLE, and has already grown up in a sense. It's fucking awesome, and this is clearly going to get elaborated on in manga and spinoffs.
Well she might not win in the end, her and Shinji's relationship is one of the few plot points that exist anymore.
The entire 3.33 laid the ground work for it, basically everything Asuka and Mari said was about Shini and Asuka.
The movie even went as far as to completely sink Shinji Rei.
She will be a key component to helping Shinji get over his shit. Whether it be platonic or romantic.
Salty Kaworufag tear delivery coming within a few years.
>Asuka French kissing Shinji before the final battle
I thought that was obvious, it won't like he'll be a main character though. It'll probably a cameo similar to what he got in EOE, because otherwise it would completely fuck up his big sacrifice in 3.0
>She will be a key component to helping Shinji get over his shit.
You had a point until here then it went full retard
There's a reason she isn't the character they used to handle Shinji's depression in 3.33, she only makes it worse. Considering she gave up on Shinji back in 2.22, romance is impossible. She like 28.
>b-but k-kaworu will c-come back!
>shikinami a shit and won't win shinji!
This is what Kaworufags ACTUALLY believe. Now we know who's hating on Shikinami ITT. It's the Kaworufags who can smell their defeat already and are being pre-emptively butthurt.
Remember that one time Shinji imagined a normal happy life.
Remember who wasn't there
Asuka = Symbol of Reality
Kaworu, Rei etcc = Symbols of fantasy
That's why Kaworu always dies and loses.
Besides, Kaworu and Shinji were never more than friends anyway. He wants Asuka romantically.
He just talked to Kaworu because he was desperate.
She didn't win there. Shinji wasn't interested at all and never has been into her in the manga whatsoever. Asuka will NEVER win his love. Her chances in rebuild are lower than Mari winning.
>She didn't win there
Just how mad are you at this moment?
They're both Asuka to me. I say this as a long-time Asukafag who's ashamed that some Asukafags just can't deal with changes in character.
Asuka changes, just like a real person. If you don't like Rebuild Asuka, just hand in your Asukafag card. There's nothing wrong with it, and the eva's (except the cat EVA), the fights, and her new role is absolutely amazingly interesting for people who are fans.
Shikinami is a worthy extension of the canon. Rebuild might not be quite there yet.
Both Asukas are pleb tier knockoffs. True patricians only concern themselves with the original.
>this mad Kaworufag
Don't you have shit to do over at /cm/ ?
>ignoring the fact that Kaworu is the character who forces Shinji to face reality in 3.0
>Besides, Kaworu and Shinji were never more than friends anyway. He wants Asuka romantically.
Asukafags so desperate they will rewrite the show.
That anyone can find the will to live and come back to reality? The whole Shinji "chose Asuka to come back" actually DEFEATS that some message. It's not even true, it's retarded shipperfaggotry
>who forces Shinji to face reality in 3.0
>by promising him a deus ex machina easy way out of his problem using magic
You Kaworufags are so dumb
>If you don't like incredibly shallow and generic character that looks like Asuka
>You aren't an Asuka fan
Remember the original Kaworufag? Kaworu's dead, gone, Shinji doesn't give a shit.
Even EoE. Dead, gone, says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her.
Except that's the canon, kaworufaggot. Deal /w it
Rebuild Asuka is proving to be damned awesome so far. The original is still there, and the new one isn't as developed but is just as good.
>Shinji "chose Asuka to come back
Um no I never implied that
>That anyone can find the will to live and come back to reality
If they wish for it, guess who wishes to come back to reality?
Guys. Stop being butthurt. Rebuild is a spinoff that shows you Asuka in a cool new light.
Enjoy that part of it, that's what I do.
Asuka is alive, Kaworu is dead, and Shinji has all but confessed in instrumentality to Asuka.
Face it Kaworufags, you lost. You lost in the manga, you lost in the original, you lost in EoE, you lost in Angelic Days, you will also lose in Rebuild.
It is known.
Actually almost nothing was stated apart from "I know how to fix this." Shinji never questioned how this "fixing" would play out, even the audience doesn't know.
Because Kaworu sucks at explaining things
>says he loves Asuka
This delusion. Don't mix up Retake with the actual show. Shinji said he loved him, not Asuka. And in the manga they are platonic. They didn't end up together.
I can feel your sphincters clenching from the fear of losing.
>It's been more than a fucking decade and Evageeks STILL won't get over their delusions. Holy fucking shit.
She let Rei win, but her feelings didn't go away.
She is still very much hung up on Shinji all through out 3.33.
She made his depression worse because she is socially retarded, always has been ,and it was made worse over the 14 years where he left her byself and she had nothing to do but fight in a war.
>Says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her
Did you pay attention? The whole point of EoE is that Shinji learns that he wants to interact with other human beings, even if it hurts him. When he decides to embrace reality, he appears back on Earth. Asuka also denied it, so she's there as well. It has nothing to do with him loving her. It certainly has nothing to do with any romantic feelings.
All of you shipperfags are so fucking stupid.
Shinji: "I want to be with you Asuka!"
Rewatch EoE some time.
Kaworu's love is always not real, it's a fantasy platonic thing that doesn't exist.
That's why Asuka is there in the end.
Your gay fantasy was only that, a gay fantasy.
>still doesn't understand Kaworu is literally Shinji's Yui
>Remember the original Kaworufag? Kaworu's dead, gone, Shinji doesn't give a shit.
>Even EoE. Dead, gone, says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her.
Have you watched the whole show? The point of their relationship is that he wants to be loved by her but doesn't bother returning her feelings. He wants someone to give him unconditional love, who can listen to him and give a shit about his problems. Do you really see Asuka doing that? She has her own shit to deal with. She's torn between Kaji and Shinji and hates herself too much to love anyone properly. Shinji could return her feelings in a few years or so if only they hadn't made a point of showing the two of them can never understand each other even after the instrumentality tricks.
Kaworufags, time to buzz off. It's over. The manga, EoE, and soon to be, Rebuild, it's Asuka.
Evoking the big scary "evageeks" boogeyman isn't gong to save you from reality.
You are only gullible suckers that eat up the merchandise as "canon". The canon always have you lose.
>but her feelings didn't go away.
> a random boy she knew for a week or two has her with these feelings
Then she's even more pathetic in addition to being a shit character in Rebuild.
The whole point is that Shinji shouldn't be coddled. He needs to face reality and accept what he has done and that it likely can't be fixed.
Kaworu offered him a sweet fantasy
Asuka is telling him to accept the bitter reality
>Have you watched the whole show?
I watched more than one episode, episode 24.
The point is that Shinji and Asuka are symbolically the ones meant to end up together. That's why it happens every time. Not evne sure why you even TRY to deny this.
In Shinji's ideal world, Kaworu doesn't exist, in NGE.
Now I know you're trolling.
Asuka says directly after that scene he's lying, he's only saying those things so he can run to someone with his problems and she acts accordingly knowing this bullshit.
I hope you realize every Eva end is kept ambiguous because the motherfucker knows you will spend the next 20 years fighting each-other then buy his latest Eva product in the hope of finally getting some closure.
I'm not a fucking kaworufag. Goddamn, is 'insert character here'fag the only thing you people can do to validate your arguments?
Also, it's implied that asuka wasn't even at the beach when shinji got there. Since it seems he had the time to build a makeshift grave for Misato before noticing Asuka there.
In the end, Shinji didn't have any romantic relationship with any of the characters. That wasn't the focus of the series nor EoE.
>Implying this negates Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
I also love how you completely avoid the fact that Shinji said HE LOVES KAWORU.
>you lost in the original
Except a canon confession and Kaworu is shown to be the one who opens his AT Field, and then is immortalized in his heart. Shinji chokes Asuka selfishlessly, sees her as a side dish (which Asuka herself points out) and she brings him down verbally.
Sadamoto says that the only one Shinji had romantic feelings for was Kaworu, and Shinji even admits to loving him himself.
Shit, this whole thing has got to be bait
Kaworufags will never give up on their gay delusions. Kaworu and Shinji was just Shinji being manipulated at a vulnerable stage. Their relationship never meant anything.
It wasn't real. Asuka and Shinji's were.
>Asuka says directly after that scene he's lying,
The catch here is that Asuka would deny that anyone loves her because of her insecurities.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not advocating any ship. But that whole interaction was them being at their low point and trying to hurt each-other. It's the climax of their selfhatred
Yeah, Kaworu wins because you hold on to some "dear idea" that he loved him, and you can only do that with ONE person in your life.
This is why Kaworufags disgust me. They don't understand human relationships and just want their gay fantasy to validate them.
>Implying this negates Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
No, it just illustrates a point. Shinji "loved" Kaworu, but to truly become happy he needs to let go of him. It isn't rocket surgery.
>The point is that Shinji and Asuka are symbolically the ones meant to end up together.
But they are each other's hedgehogs. I don't know how you can fail to see this. It's spelled for you in the series. They don't understand each other. He had more chances with Rei but only saw her platonically (and she's his mother), but unless you change Asuka's character completely,she can never be with him in a romantic light.
>Shinji says he loves Kaworu in the manga
>Asuka is friendzoned
>Shinji says he loved Kaworu in the anime
>Asuka is fapzoned
>Shinji has a whole film with Kaworu, filled with every romantic trope in the book
>Asuka is Misatozoned
>I'm not a fucking kaworufag
Asuka and Shinji always end up together, and that constitutes winning. He has to let his childish fantasies (Kaworu) die by killing them, and accept Asuka.
That's the story. If you don't like it, you hate Evangelion and it's message.
Yeah, but he can sure be with Kaworu instead right? Without changing Kaworu's character, or you know, reanimating him from the dead? Kaworu is narratively supposed to die, and Kaworu's character wants to die, so you'd have to change that too.
He can only ever be with Asuka. Grow the fuck up.
Well of course, it's bad writing, and constant plot rushing, we never really get to see the characters.
It's silly as fuck that she still has such strong feelings for him after all this time, they didn't build it up at all.
But it is there, basically the only point to her character this time around is wanting to be with Shinji.
Whether she wins or not is up in the air, but it will be a plot point, there was too much build up in 3.33 to just ignore it. Then again after what 3.33 ended up being after 2.22, 3+1 could be about Shinji, Pen Pen, and Kaji starting a boy band.
Sure. He can love Kaworu but also needs to learn to love himself first before accepting others. But it's never been implied Kaworu was a fantasy. It was real. It was so real for him Kaworu is litterally the words 'I love you' to him. He had to kill him because he was an angel, that's all.
>But they are each other's hedgehogs
But that's the whole fucking point. Hedgehogs need to fuck other hedgehogs to make baby hedgehogs. You can go out and fuck the hedgehog clone of your dead mother or a dead alien hedgehog. That's why their relationship is the real one.
>Implying this doesn't negate Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
Shinji's feelings for Kaworu are nothing. Shinji is just desperate and in need of love after losing anyway, him getting that for free highlights how weak Shinji's character actually is.
Their relationship is entirely vapid and meaningless, it's absolutely nothing as far as substance goes and there is nothing between them of value, and that's the point of it.
That's also why Shinji has to kill Kaworu, and re-align with Asuka.
That's the story of NGE, it's the story of the manga, it's the story of the spinoffs and in the next Rebuild movie as well, beyond all likelihood.
>But it's never been implied Kaworu was a fantasy
Kaworu is dead, loving somebody after they died is escapism. If Kaworu survived they might went on to become the first intergalactic homosexual couple, but he died and Shinji needs to move on
>Asukafaggots actually believe Evangelion is about who Shinji sticks his dick into in the end
Fucking unbelievable, no wonder why Anno is so pissed off.
Eva is about people's unwillingness to understand each other, shippingfaggotry is completely irrelevant.
Did Shinji love Kaworu? Yes, because Kaworu provided him with unconditional love. He needed to know what it felt like to be truly loved with no strings attached before he could have his 'epiphany' in the finale. That's it, that's his role. Shinji doesn't love anyone else because he can't love anyone else, he must first learn to love himself which he starts to do/realize at the end.
It's been over a decade and I still need to explain this to stupid as fuck Asukafags. How Disgusting.
>Hedgehogs fuck other Hedgehogs
That's not the fucking point you dingaling. The point is that their spikes push each other away. Anno made a point in EoE to show how they can't possibly have a working relationship with each other, no matter what they do. This is especially reinforced in the last scene with the whole 'How disgusting' line.
>Yes, Kaworu "wins" because he is the one Shinji falls in love with. Every time.
That's not winning, that means Kaworu lost since he dies and is out. He's a thing of the past, and Shinji had to forget him (like he did in EoE, the manga and NGE) to move on.
>no affection from anyone.
This Kaworufag delusion. Sorry your shitty husbando dies every time.
>Asukafaggots actually believe Evangelion is about who Shinji sticks his dick into in the end
On a metaphorical level that's exactly what it is.
Will Shinji stick his dick into a real girl or will he masturbate in his room to yaoi and stay a hikki
Kaworu is immortal. Shinji will never end up with Asuka. The character repel each other in NGE and in the manga they were only friends. Rebuild Asuka doesn't have a single chance.
Stay mad. Anno is with us, and against you. Try rewatching EoE and NGE some time, because Anno makes it happen every time, even in spinoffs.
You're the one who needs to accept what NGE is. You shitty fantasy does not apply.
>When they try to fuck each other
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. You shipperfags can't be this fucking delusional. It's when they try to build a bond with each other. When they try to understand each other. It has fuck-all to do with romance. God damn.
This anon is the only one to fucking get it.
>Shinji's just desperate
Someone who is lonely doesn't deserve love?
You realize that Kaworu is the first to point out his hedgehog's dilemma and insecurity to him and open his heart? Who himself tells him that loneliness can never be cured? How are those bad things?
And, nice projection. Shinji runs back to Asuka BECAUSE he lost Kaworu. Not THAT is desperation.
>highlights how weak Shinji's character actually is
>Shinji will never end up with Asuka
>literally ends up with Asuka every time
Kaworu is a gay hugpillow Shinji hugs at when reality scares him, and nothing more. That's why nobody even speaks to Kaworu, he might even just be a figment of Shinji's imagination.
Look at the interviews. Anno loves Asuka as a character, but he never talks about her being with Shinji. He adresses Shinji's relationship for Kaworu a load of times though, and admitted Shinji killing Kaworu could have been avoided.
But that's what they did.
They changed Shikinami and removed all her trauma.
She honestly only exists to be Shinji's girlfriend in rebuild.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that's what she is now for better or worse.
Asuka gets no affection from anyone. Sorry.
A lot of things could be avoided, but Anno made them happen to prove a point.
How about you look at the interviews. Reminder that Megumi Ogata confirmed that Kawrou and Shinji are just friends at a recent anime con.
It boggles my mind that even after all these years, people STILL don't understand Kaworu.
Kaworu represents essentially everything wrong with Shinji's mentality. Shinji wants human interaction and love without being hurt, and that is what Kaworu offers. But that isn't what Shinji needs to do. The entire series is about Shinji accepting reality. And in reality, you're not always gonna get that. That is why in both TV and Rebuild, Kaworu dies. As long as Kaworu is alive, Shinji can not grow as a person.
Tsurumaki the No.2 in charge of Khara? Very yes.
>Anno is with us, and against you.
>The biggest Kaworufag at Khara is against Kaworu
Nigga, do you even Iku-chan?
It's hilarious to see Kaworufags base their entire existence on a gay ship that the canon doesn't even support.
You'd think Shinji ending up with Asuka every time would have them take the hint. The poor gullible fujoshi are just being exploited for their fujodollars.
Mad Kaworufag just got told.
Their relationship is just a product of Shinji's desperation.
>who is Tsurumaki
Anno also likes Asuka. He's said so. He's proven so by keeping her relevant in Rebuild.
3.0+1.0 is just going to drive it home even more.
It's Kaworufags thinking a mental delusion is somehow "romantic".
Dude this is a shipping war, we don't use logic, we just fling shit at each other
Reminder that Kaworu is dead and this was necessary.
Reminder that Asuka is being used as a symbol of reality again to tell people what's right and wrong.
Reminder that Asuka is leading the way into the next movie.
Reminder that Kaworu is dead.
Another friendly reminder that you have from the EVA staff official word that Kaworu and Shinji are nothing more than friends.
>As long as Kaworu is alive, Shinji can not grow as a person.
He's part of why Shinji grows as a person. See the scene in EoE of him with Rei.
Anno himself Saud that Shinji killing Kaworu was a wrong thing. NEG2, which Anno helped write, has a path where Kaworu doesn't die, they have a happy relationship and Shinji is more of a positive and assertive person.
I'm talking about NGE here. To me Kaworu and Shinji are friends in rebuild. It doesn't mean you can't be in love with you friend, but still. Friendship is one of the main themes in Rebuild. Sexual elements have been removed as well.
The point he made is that Kaworu is a suicidal angel and Shinji had to ignore his own wish to save him and save humanity instead. It had never been implied his influence on Shinji was bad at all.
>He's part of why Shinji grows as a person.
Unhealthy delusions about free love can only lead to one thing, misery. Kaworu betrays Shinji and his feelings, and makes him kill him. Kaworu ruined Shinji as a person.
Arguably also in Rebuild.
Unfortunately fujoshi misinterpret this as some "love story" because they get wet thinking about twice the amount of dicks as normal in the same bed.
Isn't that what rebuild is actually all about? making the characters badass and basically flawless? at least that's what they did with shinji and oscar, and poka rei is just a waifu, almost literally.
That Ogata snippet has no credible source or validity considering Ogata is always posting Kawoshin shipping faggot all over her twitter. Plus if you want to look towards seiyuu on Kawoshin, what about Asuka's seiyuu, Misato's seiyuu and Rei's seiyuu ALL saying Kaworu is the best person for Shinji and vocally shipping Kawoshin? (For Rei and Misato's, see Evangelion Symphony concert, for Asuka's see her panel at one of the cons in America where she says she wants Kaworu and Shinji married at the end of Rebuild).
And don't even get me started on Khara themselves, where Kaworu is labeled Shinji's same-sex love interest and only love interest in his bio. Neither Asuka nor Rei are described in such a way. See pick related.
And you think Anno doesn't ship Kawoshin? His wife made a Kawoshin doujinshi, you think he won't give her what she wants in 4.0? You are the delusional one.
>It had never been implied his influence on Shinji was bad at all.
It's only directly stated in the anime.
Kaworu comes along, gives Shinji mad delusions that don't make sense, manipulates Shinji and then finally, betrays Shinji and everyone else by becoming his enemy.
He then is cruelly forcing Shinji to kill him. Otherwise he's threatening to end them all.
Kaworu's influence was 100% negative.
This is the canon.
I don't know why karlfags and Asukafags are fighting.
They are both very important people to Shinji.
In NGE him and Asuka were both very attracted to each other but couldn't figure out how to make it work because of their insecurities, but they still had real feelings for each other.
In the manga, they were good friends, and ended up happy with each other.
In the Rebuild, both Shinji, and Asuka are way less retarded, and Asuka REALLY loves Shinji, and Shinji cares deeply for her as a friend, maybe more. This is the first time they might actually have it work.
Karl is always a person who loves Shinji, and Shinji loves him back, but their relationship is always doomed. It's also a little unhealthy, but it does help Shinji in the end.
>Reminder that Megumi Ogata confirmed that Kawrou and Shinji are just friends at a recent anime con
Reminder that Miyamura said Asuka doesn't love Shinji at a con. Now you just shot yourself in the foot. And it's true they are friends. But they don't write the characters, and there is plenty of credible statements by head staff that Kaworu is indeed Shinji's love interest.
You are either trolling or being an idiot on purpose. Soryu was fucked up in the head by her traumatic past and how she decided to confront that, Shikinami is pretty much hollow and a loner with nothing of the deep issues Soryu had.
As result Shikinami feels far more hollow and superficial than Soryu and also makes her a more boring character.
Please don't remind me of that shitty beast form thing. It's so fucking stupid.
>Asukafags are furries.
I'm not surprised.
Moyoco heavily ships Kawoshin. Look at the Eva calendars and her Kawoshin doujinshi Angelic House.
>That Ogata snippet has no credible source or validity considering Ogata is always posting Kawoshin shipping faggot all over her twitter.
So posting stupid shit on twitter is somehow more valid than a direct statement?
Kaworufags, you are so lost here. The other seiyuus don't matter, they just spout their own fantasies at best, while Ogata here answers a question directly.
You're just being a gullible fujoshit as the rest of the kaworufags and falling for the marketing material Khara sells you. You losers even take calendars as shipping evidence.
Asuka is the one and only, and has always been. Kaworu was always just a side-note, while Asuka the real character and love-interest.
Some snippet from a magazine doesn't prove shit.
>Moyocco Anno is writing the story of Rebuild
What's your point exactly? Because my point was to show how NGE operates the same way the real world does.
Anno got over his crush, bot married and is now a happier person.
>Asukafags are furries
>he doesn't understand the joke
Because they ship Kawoshin or whatever you delude yourself to doesn't mean Kaworu is going to win. Moyoco is just Anno's fucking wife.
Kaworufags are desperate enough to use non-canon calendars, merchandise and god knows what else as "evidence".
>simply because of the movie format
Even if we don't take mommy issues as an example, Shikinami is:
Not smug and prideful
Doesn't care about being the best pilot
Grumpy autist that avoids crowds as opposed to talkative and naughty attitude of original Asuka
Motivation basically consists of her feelings for Shinji that come out out of nowhere, and fighting because plot requires it, when Sohryu's character was about herself and her ego foremost
Does basically nothing but swearing and fighting in 3.33
Needs Misato to tell her when to go dere as opposed to Sohryu who developed sympathy for Shinji when going through hardships together (magma diver)
Shikinami is dull.
As expected of Kaworufags.
Miyamura only said "gotten over", it doesn't matter when their characters are still tightly knit.
There is no "I love you" in Rebuild for Kaworu.
Asuka is leading the way. He will find happiness between
>giving a fuck about what the author thinks
Soryu might be a better fleshed out character, but Shikinami is much more fun.
>showing Shinji he is loved
>listening to Shinji, offering to spend his time with him
>offers him companionship and makes him open up
He made Shinji open up, something that no evangelion character ever did. And it was in a good way. You need to understand than in order to love Asuka in the future (if he ever does, and he takes his sweet time) he needs to know love exists. He needs to experience it to know it's out there somewhere and he wants to feel that again, and not necessarily with Kaworu. The problem is that he only wanted to do this with Kaworu, because he never knew Rei and Asuka were capable of loving him in the first place.
There's no source for Ogata's words, they don't make sense considering what she's always posting on her twitter.
Asuka's seiyuu says ASUKA DOESN'T LOVE SHINJI, and that Kaworu is the best for Shinji. Why you're ignoring this seiyuu but praising another seiyuu's 'words' shows your cherrypicking delusions.
Also, show me a credible source on Ogata then.
Shikinami is plenty fun. Haters gonna hate.
Nope, he is only officially "MENTIONED" as one, and "love interest" only means "love interest", nothing more. It's non-binding, and doesn't actually comment on what happens in the show.
The reality of the show is this. Asuka and Shinji together. It's left open for us, not for you, as Kaworu is dead.
>'No fun allowed' the character in 3.0
Asuka...had a hard life.
Yeah, real negative for someone to give you love and help you learn to open up for once.
Asuka and Shinji's relationship is destructive. They mutually hurt each other and don't care to listen each other. Whereas, Shinji and Kaworu's unfortunate circumstances are what draw them apart. That's why the staff describes them as star-crossed lovers.
>Well if you ignore everything official
Yeah no, I accept everything in the work but nothing the Author says outside of the work.
What would you do if Anno came out tomorrow and said Shinji and Maya were actually in love and that he hated Kaworu? Would you suddenly thinks this is the truth just because the author said it's true?
It's cute, and she's got attitude. I liked how she had shown growth in abandoning EVA02.
>There's no source for Ogata's words
Typical Kaworufag, so desperate so he pretends to not know.
>What are shinjis feelings towards kaworu?
>Friend friend friend friend.
KAWORU CONFIRMED FOR FRIENDZONED
So how do you feel on the fact that Asuka is merely a side dish for Shinji? Do you really believe your waifu is such a easy slut that she'll let down all her pride (That she's had the entire show, let me remind you) for someone who's choking her? You neither understand Asuka nor Evangelion.
>Yeah, real negative for someone to give you love and help you learn to open up for once.
Forgetting how he betrayed him and took away that love the same day.
It made Shinji almost catatonic. Pretty evil too.
It's like giving a homeless child a parent, and then abandoning them right after. Yeah, real "positive" there.
How? She doesn't even like piloting in Rebuilds and does it couple of time just because. What's left is generic tsundere antics and boring kind of bitching.
You could say Mari fits that quota now, but Mari is shit and feels like some "cool at everything and constantly smug" character that walked out of a fanfic. Writing in Rebuilds is mediocre overall, you can (not) do anything about it.
I'd find it ridiculous, but unlike Shinji and Maya or Shinji and Asuka, Kaworu and Shinji's love for each other is well established in the official material outside interviews.
I can't believe how salty Kaworufags are for losing. Holy shit.
YOU DO NOT "WIN" IF YOU'RE DEAD.
Asuka wins the evan jellies by being with Shinji. By there being a relationship, and even romance.
Happens in NGE+EOE, Angelic Days, the manga and soon the Rebuilds.
But sure, you want to claim that "Kaworu wins" because Kaworu at one point manipulated Shinji, and because Shinji thought of him once.
You don't know that. You're just assuming to protect your ship when your ship had at least 10 episodes that showed how the two of them never bothered to understand each other and love each other properly.
Get it through your head, holy shit. Shinji doesn't love her because she never gives him the opportunity to. I find it hilarious that you'd lecture Kaworufags on healthy relationships and real romantic relationships when LAS is portrayed as a very poisonous one as in they hurt each other, don't respect each other (the masturbation scene is not an act of love and if you think it is then you need to study REAL (your favorite word) relationships, maybe get out more), look pained when they're forced t work together,etc etc. Stop saying it's not real because it happened and it happens in every universe. Shinji always fall in love with Kaworu. Kaworu dies but he's an angel, it doesn't matter if he dies because just like Rei he can come back (IF he even wants to).
I liked that on the series, the relationship between Shikinami and Shinji on rebuild feels so forced, while on the original series you could actually understand their interactions and why the have a cycle of hate-care (for not say love, since it is too strong as a word) for each other.
ASUKAFAGS CONFIRMED FOR REDDIT CROSSBOARDERS
I'll screencap your post for future wars against Asukafags, thanks anon-kun!
She seems to like piloting and her EVA in 2.0, in 3.0 she's more grown up. If only they could age her body as well, it'd be great.
There could be some timeskip series too.
Not him, but you're too busy with the yaoi-goggles. Everyone except yaoi-fans accept that Kaworu is supposed to be a negative influence. Kaworu's influence leaves Shinji a confused mess every single time, who is getting close to killing himself.
>Forgetting how he betrayed him and took away that love the same day.
He didn't betray him, Shinji thought he did. Kaworu instead decides to give up his life in turn for Shinji's, and Shinji's attitude changes because the angels aren't just inherently evil like he was led to believe.
>discrediting the source
I see you doing this for "wars" against Asukafags, that tells us how extremely butthurt you are. Cant' wait for 4.0 to blow you fujoshits the fuck out.
The only material that's "official" is the work itself, outside information is irrelevant no matter who writes it.
I am not saying Shinji didn't love Kaworu, but what Anno thinks about that subject is irrelevant
Kaworu's relationship was only negative. Kaworu intentionally screwed Shinji over. The influence he had was negative. Forming a friendship with the intent to betray it is evil.
Remove it mentally if it offends you. Every story, it's Asuka. I don't see why you haven't gotten the point of Evangelion yet. You're just going to make it harder on yourself when it sinks in after 3.0+1.0.
Asuka IS winning again.
By your sad logic Nia didn't win Simon because she died. Asuka never won a single thing, because winning is more than just being present. Shinji isn't in love with her, ever. And in Rebuild, Asuka is now a Misato figure and shipped with Mari, so she has zero chances of winning.
Also, notice how there's nothing else on the internet to confirm this? Anyone could post anything on reddit claiming it came from a seiyuu's mouth if it justifies something.
There needs to be a video, or some other way to validate it, not through fucking Reddit.
>Thinking Kaworu is in love with Shinji
You really don't get Eva, do you? Shinji has romantic feelings towards Kaworu and loves him, yes. Not the other way around dipshit.
Anon, give up. I know it hurts to accept that Kaworu is nothing but a shallow fantasy, but you have to do it.
Seek help if needed.
You're just going to regret all your kawoshin purchases when it sinks in later.
Secluded himself because he feared he would become power-hungry and revive Nia. He chose exile over dealing with her death.
Pretty much what Gendo did after Yui died, only he couldn't resist the urge and went back
>n-not j-just muh waifuu
NME is going to tear you a new one. There's a whole movie to change what you perceive as the "kawoshin fantasy". If it's at the last minute, or for the whole movie, it's going to happen.
Just like it did before.
They should have gone with pointy over extremely British.
There's no validity to this post considering Ogata herself supports Kawoshin, if there was some other source on the internet that posted similar findings of Ogata at this con, then I would believe it. I just find it fishy that there's absolutely no evidence towards this being real, seems like another Evageeks retard who distorts the truth.
That's not the point, the point is just because a character dies, doesn't mean they didn't win. Kaworu died, but he's still the only character who wins Shini's romantic affection ever.
>all these Kaworufags deluding themselves that Kaworu "won"
I don't see Kaworu alive at the end.
She needs some time to rest. Inb4 4.0 goes full mgs4 and every pilot suddenly suffers from accelerated aging with the final battle being granny asuka fighting granny rei on top of a boat.
That's what it means. If you die, you lose. Asuka wins, and they're the actual couple throughout Evangelion.
Kaworu is supposed to be a distraction, and he serves that purpose well, but the ending always reunites Asuka and Shinji. Call it fate if you will, but that's Evangelion.
It wasn't fucking romantic, it was supposed to be a pure form of love that Shinji wanted. He never wanted to fuck him or kiss him, he wanted someone would give into his childish demands of complete love, when no one else gave seemingly gave it to him.
>but he's still the only character who wins Shini's romantic affection ever.
>the end of NGE is Shinji becoming Gendo
You people don't even understand what you are implying with your bullshit.
>having to make up arbitrary rules to delude themselves that they "won"
>thinking they can talk about "winning" and then ignore what it means to win in the first place
In a way I feel sorry for you. This ship is the only relevancy you have left. Of course you'd have to ignore that Kaworu is dead and forgotten every time.
It's obvious they've just been resorting to trolling for while because they know they can't win, we're never going to get anywhere in breaking their delusions. They've been like this for near a decade now. Just wait until 4.0 comes out and they'll finally leave and crawl back to Evageeks where they belong.
You guys are kinda crazy. Just trying to spite each other.
Shinji and Kaworu is not a long lasting relationship, it's simply a part of Shinji's growth.
Asuka and Shinji is all over the place and kinda complicated. It could potentially happen after EoE, but it would require a lot of work from both of them.
In the rebuild though both relationships are much more shallow. Kaworu just seemed to exists to give Shinji hope and then have it taken away.
Asuka Shinji is also way less complicated, as Asuka is weirdly devoted and into him for plot reasons, she doesn't even seem to care he destroyed the world. Their relationship is basically all on what Shinji does in 3+1. It could happen, it might not. We just have to wait.
Unlike Shinji Rei which has no chance of ever happening.
>remember how much buthurt Asuka wining the manga produced
>multiply it by 100
It's going to be great, I can't wait
>It wasn't fucking romantic
Please, cry more. Meeting by the beach with Shinji already blushing, Shinji waiting for him, letting him hold his hand, sleeping beside him? It's very much painted in a romantic context.
>all those kaworufag tears I'm going to drink
>not one Poka-Poka in the entire thread
Anno really did a number on the Reifags
Romantic affection/attraction does not equal Sexual anon.
Though considering he saw Kaworu when he was being tanged, and let Kaworu pierce his AT Field with the spear, I'd beg to differ that there was no sexual connotation considering the sexual imagery in that scene.
>Asuka and Shinji literally fucking
>hurr that doesn't count because LCL
>Mindbroken Shinji with a destroyed ego smiles
>see that symbolizes they had sex
It is quite astonishing how people can just block out things that don't fit their worldview
The manga ended well after all.
Rebuild might not be so bad after all.
It's dollfags and kaworufags who think their dead husbando is at all relevant except baiting fujoshi.
The canon is that he dies. As long as they don't accept that Shinji has to move on from Kaworu, they don't get Evangelion.
How can I be sad when your tears are the nectar that sustains me, and it doesn't look like the nectar will stop flowing anytime soon
Guys both Karl and Asuka are going to win Rebuild.
Karl had his time, and Asuka will get her time.
The only question is what's going to happen to Rei, if Shinji will accept her for who she is or not.
>4.0 comes out
>the obvious happen
>kaworufags go extinct
>all's right as the world
Yeah, Shinji seemed really into it, didn't he? He must truly love Asuka considering how happy he looks when she's riding him!
Give me a fucking break, the scene you want me to so desperately acknowledge actually goes AGAINST your pairing. Like every other scene in the show/movie.
She's named for the British aircraft carrier Illustrious and Anno names the female pilots after ships according to nationality.
That's the thing about their relationship. It's not some kind of childish opaque fantasy like kwaorufags are.
Real relationships have ups and downs. This is the actual relationship NGE pushes every time, and that's why Asuka wins.
Sorry Kaworufag. You can complain as much as you want that they're not perfect or that they have issues, that's the point Evangelion is selling.
You may now move onto another flavor of the month gay fantasy anime.
It's funny how vehemently Asukafags reject reality. Asuka was never competing for Shinji in the manga. You are absolutely deluded to even insinuate she won when they met briefly and then went separate ways. If you want to say she won by being present, you can't ignore Kensuke. And even then it's wrong because the only one who Shinji felt romantically attracted to was Kaworu, again.
>her flaws as well as character complexes are what gave people the ability to dig deeper into her character and think about what makes her tick.
So fanwanking. I can go deep in the compounds of a character like Sasuke who is all sorts of fucked up but that sure as hell does not make him a good character.
Kaworu is dead.
Shinji doesn't even remember Kaworu.
The world reset.
Asuka is there, holding his hand.
You = eternally mad and delusional.
The best part is that you are into yaoi, and you know it. That's the only reason you like this ship.
>That's the thing about their relationship.
>Shinji is uncomfortable about her and wants nothing to do with her
>Asuka hates him
>all they have is vague lust
>Asuka would rather fuck Kaji and Shinji would rather be with Kaworu
Yeah, especially considering Shinji would rather be hanging out with Rei or fucking Kaworu than engaging in conversation with Asuka. Whereas Asuka would rather be hanging out with Kaji or other men that stoke her Electra complex than hanging out with the boy that considers her a fucking side dish.
He is not the one that needs to accept her.
He is the one that has to win her back, either as a friend or a romantic option.
That's the whole point of basically any of their scenes in 3.33, he keeps disappointing her at every turn, and why Mari screams at him to man up and save the princess.
This thread started pretty good but then it turned into Asukafags vs Kaworufags. Pity.
Anyway, Shikinami is a sanctimonious cunt and Kaworu is the king of retards on an universe full of retards.
At least Kaworu has the coolest Eva. Asuka gets a giant fucking cat.
Yeah, totally doesn't care about Kaworu. Didn't even shed a tear when he died.
Which reminds me, remember when Shinji didn't give two shits in EoE when Asuka was screaming and getting torn apart and eaten out by Kaworu? He sat there in front of his Eva with the blankest face on.
Also, remember in 3.0 when he bitchslapped Asuka through her Eva without a single shred of hesitance? Yeah.
Now that you mentioned it, what's up with the Mark 06?
>HUUUURRR THE DEFINITIVE EVA!!!!
>SO SPECIAL IT'S BUILT ON THE MOON FOR THE ENTIRE FUCKING MOVIE!!
>Only appears for the scene after the credits, never used again
Time traveler? Check.
Immortal being possessing the fruit of life? Check.
Best Eva? Check.
Eats out Asuka then kills her in EoE? Check.
Meanwhile Asuka has jackshit.
Soryu does not win the manga, they were friends, good friends, but that's all.
Soryu didn't win the anime, but there was potential for them to get together down the road.
Shikinami however, has an actual shot at winning Rebuild.
All of the problems Soryu had are gone, she doesn't give a shit about Kaji, she doesn't have nearly as bad emotional issues. She is tsundere as fuck for Shinji, and even Mari is shipping the two when ever possible. The are already great friends with no issues, he went beserk in his eva when he thought she was dead, and was overjoyed with happiness when he saw her again on the Wunder. If Rei and Asuka were reversed during the tenth angel attack, he probably would have done the exact same shit, if he saw Rei die a day before, and then Asuka was about to die.
I'm not saying she is going to win, or that Karl is less important, but 3.33 had little plot other then Shinji Karl hanging out, and Shinji Asuka shipping. Who knows, maybe they are just setting it up, just for Shinji to fuck it all up, but it is there, unlike the manga and NGE.
He cares greatly about both.
To say Shinji doesn't care about rebuild Asuka is ridiculous. When she died he flipped out and tried to kill Gendo, and then quit Nerv, and when he found out she survived, ran up to see her with a huge smile on his face.
Whether or not he wants to fuck her is one thing, but she was a very important person to him.
Unlike in SE, Shinji certainly does care about Asuka, Misato and Rei in Rebuild. But this isn't a fucking harem, so I don't understand why Asukafags try to undermine the serious themes in Evangelion and try to make it so.
>Asukafags undermining the serious themes
Asukafags are the only ones ITT who describes the themes accurately.
It's not a harem, and Kaworu died as part of the theme, and Asuka lives as part of the theme.
Get with the progrem, it's not about "muh kawoshin". It never was.
>Shikinami however, has an actual shot at winning Rebuild.
Not when she is now Misato tier. Mari's one teasing moment doesn't show she is into him that way and Shinji was never interested in Asuka like that, and after 3.0 that kind of relationship has no hope. They'll never be a couple, especially as Khara is pushing Mari/Asuka.
Holy fuck, you guys don't actually read anything do you? He is sexually attracted to Asuka, but not in love with her. The D&R theatrical book even makes it painfully obvious he just sees her as a masturbation object. And it's incredibly ironic you use that scene as proof of "love". Holy shit.
Kaworufags ITT endear and endear the point of Evangelion to be that "Shinji loves Kaworu", or "winning" on that basis when that only comes to happen to end it.
Notice how they're constantly talking about Evangelion through only that lens, while Asuka deals with it's themes of escapism and reality directly and includes the characters as part of that.
The final point of Evangelion is to bring Asuka and Shinji together. If you deny that, then you're delusional.
It happens every time you know. You can't look away from the facts much longer.
>And it won't be legit yuri, just pandering.
I don't know about that. Anno might actually be insane enough to do it since it would generate one of those shitstorms he so loves.
She is not Misato tier, she randomly and magically stayed the same age as Shinji because "plot".
Mari teased Asuka about her and Shinji, and then later screams at Shinji to man up and protect Asuka.
Her entire nature is completely tsundere for him, she doesn't even care about the shit he did, she only cares that he left her and didn't protect her.
Her entire character was changed from previous incarnations to make her more suitable for Shinji. Her entire character in the rebuild is to be shipped with Shinji. It doesn't mean she will win, but that's all she exists for now.
>Mariasu has already generated a much bigger fanbase and more art than LAS ever did.
A Mariasu fag here, and this is bullshit. Yes it is getting close to LAS on pixiv, but for now it is still in the third place
To be fair, most LAS shippers are Asukafags self-inserting through Shinji. Yurifags in Japan are mainly female so making AsuMari fanart is a way to maintain Asuka away from their beloved Kawoshin. Most fanworks are made by women, men are lazy except for porn
Probably. Sadamoto did make Mari gay for Yui and it wasn't exactly subtle. But Mari/Asuka has much more jp support than her and Shinji, only delusional neckbeards over here think the latter still has a chance.
>Notice how they're constantly talking about Evangelion through only that lens, while Asuka deals with it's themes of escapism and reality directly and includes the characters as part of that.
Except we're also addressing those, retard. They both come back, and there is reason for it. But to only see it as a "ship end" just cheapens it. EoE is about them resolving their respective character arcs, not about whether they get together romantically. That part should be kept to fanfiction. If they truly cared about the themes of reality, they'd acknowledge things like Kaworu and Rei talking to Shinji about reality and portrayed a reasons he finds the will to live again as well. In fact they'll ignore anything as long as it helps their ship.
>They both come back
Only Shinji and Asuka. No Kaworu. Dead and forgotten, as it should be for Shinji to move on.
>But to only see it as a "ship end" just cheapens it.
It hurts your butt so you say "cheap".
There is nothing mature about Asuka, she has the mind and body of a 14 year old, she is the least mature character in the show, she can't control herself, and is still screaming and calling Shinji an idiot every time she sees him.
The age difference doesn't mean anything, she never moved on from Shinji, and never created a life for herself, she has just been bitterly fighting a war for the last 14 years. Maybe less depending on how long she was in a coma.
I have to think Sadamoto was just following orders on that one. Anno might have left the dialog and finer details to him but it sounds like it was planned since at least 3.0. I'm also kinda expecting a happy end for Asuka since Yuko wants one and Rebuild will probably be the last time she reprises the role in a major installment.
>ignoring everything anon says in order to continue your shipping delusions
Rei and Kaworu are literally the characters who make Shinji come back and Asukafags will still say they are fantasy advocators. Funny, that.
>Do Asukafags hate Shikinami as much as Reifags hate Q
I don't think I have meet anyone who hates more then a Reifag hates Q. Yeah Shikinami is shit and I kinda dislike her but that's as far as it goes for me. Soryu was better because she was a beautiful trainwreck.
Not like Asuka, she comes off as fucking crazy anytime Shinji is near her.
The way the world is, she couldn't have possible have made a life for herself, and if she did, she wouldn't be acting the way she does around Shinji, she would have been able to at least some what move on.
I'm not a shipper, I'm just trying to be partial on this. It's too early to write off Asuka and Shinji.
To be honest, the only reason I'm even bothering, is because 3.33 was so hollow and plotless, the only two take aways were Shinji Karl shipping, and Shinji Askua Shipping.
And that Misato is kind of a bitch now.
It's not delusion that Kaworu is dead, and Asuka is alive.
This being the core part of EVA's theme. Kaworu is a negative part of Shinji's development.
If he's going to love anyone, it's Asuka.
It's weird that all the Reifags are just gone completely.
I wonder if they are just hiding in the background stirring the pot with Asuka vs Karl, out of spite or something.
No other reason for those two groups to fight, since they can coexist.
>What has been accomplished in this thread:
Asukafags confirmed to be: Reddit users, furries, delusional neckbeards, lowlife faggots that only see Evangelion in terms of stupid fucking shipping
>What this means for the Western Evangelion fanbase:
Misatofags/Any-other-characterfag > Sensible Kaworu/Asuka/Reifags > Tumblr-tier Kaworufag > Grandpa-Dying-tier Reifag > Evageeks-tier Asukafag
>It's cute, and she's got attitude. I liked how she had shown growth in abandoning EVA02.
But Shikinami had no love or need of 02 like Soryu did. So her leaving it behind doesn't really show anything.
Tried to argue the POV that it's not about winning. But neither Kaworufags or Asukafags are interested in that POV.
I've given up on Evangelion. Because the people who write it are the same kind of people as them.
>But Shikinami had no love or need of 02 like Soryu did.
She got pretty upset in 2.0 when they were taking it away from her, and wanted to keep the red color and all. She's still prideful over it.
She did love that unit, and "sorry nigoki" in 3.0 just proves it.
Well 3.33 was so shit, that all that's really their to discuss about it is shipping at this point.
That or was it really Shinji's fault I guess.
But we won't know that until the final.
You know, the more I see these posts, the sadder they become.
You're basically saying the only reason that Asuka can get with Shinji, is because Kaworu is dead. Just think about that implies. Everything just gets more pathetic.
>Outside of that though, Shikinamis entire character is basically defined by Shinji at this point.
It's like that for several characters in Rebuild now though, specifically Kaworu, Rei and Asuka.
All of their character development revolves around Shinji now.
"Oh hey an EVA thread I wonder what deep symbolism deciphering and theorycrafting is going on"
>It's a bunch of manchildren throwing shit at each other over who they believe is best suited to receive the Shinji D
Maybe I would feel like that scene meant something if they didn't have Asuka drop 02 for 03 in the previous movie just to avoid an awkward situation. Or if they showed her reliance on 02 or being an Eva poilot. But I've seen more emotional scenes when someone loses a volleyball.
It's a stupid argument anyway since the answer is obviously Kaji. The ancient Greeks would agree with me and that should be good enough for everyone.
Don't forget Shinji and Asuka having an entire actual relationship to build on. Shinji wanting to kiss Asuka, Asuka wanting to kiss Shinji, and the two being generally portrayed as flirting.
In the final episode, Shinji's dream world includes not Kaworu, but Asuka instead.
You could just as well ask "Why does Kaworu win?" , and the answer would be that Asuka goes catatonic and everyone Shinji knew dies goes away.
Kaworu can only make an impression on Shinji when he's desperate for love, Asuka didn't need that.
That's why Asuka is also there in the end for Shinji, giving him the hand despite him choking her in ONE MORE FINAL. Their relationship is real, it's tangible, it's not based on desperation or severe trauma.
The point is that they have to work out their differences. That's why Asuka wins, because she is there in the end to be that person Shinji is with.
Kaworu is in the past. Asuka is the future.
>Implying we'd want to associate with Evageeks and Reddit-users in the first place
They were bonded financially, which is among the strongest of bonds.
How is it weird? Rei shipping is dead. There isn't anyway to inject Rei into a shipping war and most seem far too apathetic and disillusioned with the state of things to care.
As a Kaworufag, I think there's a high chance that Asuka could 'win' in the final movie or whatever.
Then again it depends on her relationship with Mari (which I assume they'll expand upon) and if Kaworu will really return in the next movie, like Akira Ishida has suggested.
There is also the possibility that Shikinami is subconsciously attracted to Shinji's parental qualities, as there has been a huge amount of focus on him using some mother-like qualities to make others happy. Cooking, protective habits and a good deal of his behaviour towards Rei could be interpreted as parental. This has potential, since none of Asuka's issues about her mother have been brought up in Rebuild at all, yet all of her character focus has revolved around Shinji, asking him to save her at the beginning of 3.0, Mari's encouragement to save the princess and so on.
tldr; It's difficult to judge since we haven't really seen much interaction between the two. Shinji's relationship with Rei is very much painted in a platonic, parental light. His relationship with Kaworu was clearly painted as something sexual and romantic with all of the piano symbolism going on. But his relationship with Asuka? There isn't much to work with to determine what it is.
Incest isn't that weird in anime and it wouldn't be strange in Eva of all things. The rebuilds clearly aren't going in that direction though, and they fucked up Rei's character anyway so there's not much to care about in that regard.
Yes, there's a high chance that it could now be parental - coming from Shinji's point of view. But from Asuka's point of view, it's all over the place. We knew she was clearly attracted to him in 2.0, seeing him as a potential romantic partner she was trying to woo over. But now we have her dragging him around the landscape, calling him 'brat' and pulling him by his ears - establishing herself as the parent in a relationship that mimics Misato's and Shinji from EoE. Then Mari and her own pleas for Shinji to save her from danger - which paints Shinji as the parent - and of course Mari's teasing towards Asuka for missing him all of those years he was absent, which still has those romantic implications. It's all over the place, and it's making her very hard to read.
She only started calling him a brat when he fled Wille with Rei.
Before that it was still just stupid Shinji.
And even when they first see each other in liliths chamber, she calls him stupid Shinji at first, and when she realized he ignored everyones pleas for him to stay out of Evas, she calls him a brat again.
So I don't think that part is parental, more like she is extremely frustrated with his continued actions.
The only thing I'm taking from Rebuild so far.
The thing though that really kinda gets me about Rebuild is Shinji is still basically the same character as he was in NGE and no one else is close to who they were.
I think the only time they ever even sorta interacted was when Kaji was complimenting his food and telling him it was the way to a girls heart, and him point at Asuka eating his food.
Shinji is a bit less pathetic, that's kinda something.
They aren't gone, they just shut up unless they feel the need to rant on how Rei WAS the best girl and how she has been ruined now.
Well that's obviously never happening, I wonder if they will even give a little bit of fan service to it.
I guess they could get away with it by involving Shinji somehow. Would create a bunch of new Doujins.
>Shinji is a bit less pathetic, that's kinda something.
Yeah but he isn't a different character, hell they changed Asuka's and Gendo's last names to show how different they are. Rei well just listen to what her fags have to say about both her Polka polka self and then her clone.
Shinji however got lucky and was able to be less pathetic because the universe wasn't shitting on him enough to not be. Well at least until 3
His character still remains strong, and because the universe goes all in it's too understandable that he fails.
It's basically like everyone else is cheating and Shinji is running hard mode.
Then there's a positive side of it all, he's more important than he thinks being a trigger and possible Angel.
His character has changed, but not in a negative way.
So she really only calls him "brat" when he does really stupid shit. Good catch.
>So I don't think that part is parental, more like she is extremely frustrated with his continued actions.
Yeah, this was another interpretation I got out of it; it's probably more accurate too.
There's no relationship between Asuka and Kaji in rebuild, let alone latter being her temporary guardian. Zero.
Nah, Rebuild Shinji is more prone to take action and change himself for the good of those around him. The problem is that he's cannot control his emotions or get a grip on common sense when he's hysterical.
In NGE it's just a reflection of how people will turn to others to fill the emptiness in their hearts once their true soulmate passes away. Shinji's jack-off on Asuka after losing Kaworu is no different from Misato attempting to /ss/ Shinji after Kaji's death. Keep in mind that the scene before the hospital fapping was Shinji overlooking the lake where he met Kaworu.