Being an otaku in the 80s or 90s was glorious, the majority of the people were really into the hobby, knowing everything about the industry and watching literally everything. Nowadays is just a bunch of retarded teens who watches seasonal shows only.
>>117368100 >How in the hell did people even watch anime in the early 90s? There couldn't have been many domestic releases, & fan subs were relegated to personal VHS tapes weren't they? Down here in Mexico we would get shipped from the US to our anime club and sell/lend them out in the fleamarket.
>>117368100 >How in the hell did people even watch anime in the early 90s? There couldn't have been many domestic releases, & fan subs were relegated to personal VHS tapes weren't they? Fansubbed VHS tapes existed. I lived in Philadelphia in the 90s and bought tons of fansubbed DBZ movies and DB:GT tapes from this one store that sold them, at the time.
>>117368253 "everything" was a whole different level than today. Even the most cutting-edge non-JP fans were working with a six month time lag.
Also a fuckload more expensive. VHS tapes got heavy real quick and international shipping wasn't as cheap or easy as nowadays. Then again, it was a more communal thing so the cost was split across more people. Even if it did work out to like $40-$50 per tape, that was only like ten bucks per person who would be in the first group watching it. Everyone had a different avenue for how they got their fix, but it almost always came down to knowing a guy who knew a guy who knew this one dude in japan who was so fanatical that he had all the equipment to record and do the subtitles himself.
Then it moved to digital in the mid-late 90s and the cost dropped to almost nothing as long as you were willing to shell out for a second phone line and wait about three days per episode (so long as you didn't get disconnected from the FTP and lose it) You weren't forced to hang out with those other fans who maybe didn't have the best of personal hygene habits.
The social scene changed, that's for damn sure. I don't know if it's for better or worse.
>>117368100 I forgot when exactly, but in the 90s i remember seeing a commercial for Akira on VHS. I soon later saw it in a video store. It was a mom and pop store. It had a surprisingly great anime collection.
>>117367705 >Anyone else feel like it's become too popular?
I feel like anime is getting too close to the point where it's becoming popular enough to cause damage. We're not there yet, but we're coming closer every year.
I remember the mid 90s when exposure was still low, and there was a lot of sci-fi stuff from the 80s floating around on VHS. The scarcity and lack of information made anime feel magical, like there was new shit just around the corner hidden in obscure parts of the net. I guess that's just one of the drawbacks of the internet. Information just tends to condense itself and that feeling of mystery and intrigue vanishes.
>>117372315 All of those industries were things that could be made anywhere
Anime and manga can ONLY be made in japan, dumbo. Unless every studio decides that they're only going to market to normalfags, nothing will change. Even if anime and manga got as popular again as they did in the early 2000s, people watching and reading would have no way of changing the things they didn't like, unlike video games and comic books and shit like that.
Though, I honestly might have over exaggerated a lot in the previous post. Japan doesn't give a fuck about us or any other county, but how long before that manages to change somehow?
Anything that gets too popular goes to shit. This is the rule, not the exception. What actually triggers the change from popularity is debatable, but it always fucking happens. On the west's side, we already have lots of retards shitting up communities, /a/ included. Though, that doesn't really effect anime itself.
>>117372145 See, I actually see that the other way around. Your kind gets its hands all over anime, which is getting more popular, and you smudge it with your filthy, degenerate culture into something that pleases as many people as possible, and it turns, as all things have in your degenerate country, into the lowest common denominator.
Better on average because almost all of the access to TV series was removed, they only have OVAs and movies to peruse. That leaves them with the impression that all anime is high budget, sci-fi/fantasy oriented, and relatively mature.
I remember back in the day I bought bootleg VHS anime from a store called "QuakerHead" on South Street in Center City Philadelphia.
I remember that same store was on a Fox news article that was demonizing anime as porno for kids. I remembered I taped that anime fox news article. One of these days I'm going to go through all of our old VHS tapes, find it, convert it, and upload to youtube or something.
>>117372814 If you're talking about Doreamon or other well known stuff like Miyazaki films, yeah it's popular. Most Japanese don't like anime for the hardcore though, that's why it's niche and still good overall. But sales get better and better every year in Japan, and that worries me to a degree about increasing popularity.
Also, with the 2020 Olympics, I'm also worried about pressure from other nations actually effecting the industry somehow. More exposure and popularity over here in the states can't help.
>>117373187 >Also, with the 2020 Olympics, I'm also worried about pressure from other nations actually effecting the industry somehow. More exposure and popularity over here in the states can't help.
You're just getting paranoid, man. Most people going to the olympics aren't the kind of people who watch anime. They'll clean the tourist parts up, but that'll be it. It'll blow over, how long are the olympics anyway?
The games last two weeks, but the international press may arrive months ahead to do their advance coverage pieces. And once the attention is fully on Tokyo for the games, remember that the press doesn't just cover the games, they do pieces across the entire country: culture, travel, food, the sights, leisure, etc. You can bet they'll be in Akiba.
The games are just two weeks, the media coverage is more like two months, and it's fucking constant. It's not hard to imagine some bitch from the Today show showing disgust at the stuff on sale in Gamers, and showing it to an international audience of millions. ANY attention in Japan is unwanted, and Olympics will bring that attention worse than the tsunami.
>>117373582 fuck off back to /v/, but nothing will happen to anime. The japanese know that normalfags think they're weird, and all they'll do is clean things up so they look nice and presentable.
>>117373644 Take your fucking trip off and shut the fuck up. Some bitch from the today show showing disgust at Akiba won't do shit, because no one cares. The opportunity for her to say that won't even arise, because japan will put everything in the closet for two weeks so the dumb normalfag tourists give them more money.
>>117368100 I did some fansubbing with some friends in college. One of us knew a guy who knew a guy who knew someone in Japan who would tape episodes from his TV, then mail them to us(at around 60 bucks a tape) which we would then take into the university's A/V lab to create the subtitles and a handful of copies to take home for ourselves or sell to a close group of friends. As we were all just students, none of us wanted to push our luck and never really made much of a business out of selling our work.
>>117373644 Paranoid. Those shows don't have nearly the journalistic integrity to do something like that. Hell, just setting foot in the store would be a special segment "Tokyo 2020 Olympics Investigative Report"
If anything, it's going to be a series of quick shots of billboards and cosplayers followed by a fluff piece on "electric town". Hell, look at how the winter games went, even with the widespread fuckups and corruption, and bombings and protests, the only media attention on that during the games was about as harsh as "Oh, those silly Russians, ha ha"
I vaguely remember watching gundam or macross of some sort on TV in the 90s, but other than that my first exposure to anime was Pokémon and DBZ. My first exposure to manga was finding random issues of Ranma ½ in the public library. >hello confused, pubescent boner
>>117373811 I'm not from /v/ dumb ass. The whole idea is that popularity ruins everything, and the current shit going on with them is a perfect example of that. Any exposure is just more chance for bad exposure.
You think that all the shops in akiba will all of a sudden take all their shit off the shelves because of the Olympics? Some dumb fuck reporter will find something to strum up a shitfit because it's their job to be retarded.
>>117374186 >westeners >buying BDs >inb4 crunchyroll I don't understand why every extremely popular anime that comes by every few years apparently means anime suddenly became mainstream to Western normals. Usually most Western normie shows do really well in Japan anyway, so their success is due to Japanese sales and not endorsement by casuals from across the sea who only buy shit through middlemen. It's practically expected.
I mean the usual way things are make it so that normals only watch one or two shows that are already hits in Japan and pretend that makes them anime experts or something. They'll then forget about it, move on to other shit and then come back when the next big thing happens.
>>117372315 The only kind of damage I can think of video games experiencing due to their popularity (aside from the obvious watering down of quality) is the invasion of SJWs. I don't think that's going to happen very soon with anime/manga, with shit like Trinity Seven or Twintails airing. Those represent two things SJWs hate, male sexual dominance, and transexuality (even if its genderbending) being used so lightly.
So yeah, I don't expect any damage aside from what we've already seen with the decline of quality.
>>117377739 >The only kind of damage I can think of video games experiencing due to their popularity (aside from the obvious watering down of quality) is the invasion of SJWs. Except that's not damaging, or even a really an actual thing that's happening to begin with.
>>117368313 1992 for instance. People bring tapes given to them by a friend of a friend overseas or that one guy who could afford laserdiscs. Now imagine 24 people in a basement with all of their VCRs in a big 12:00 blinking daisy chain (gold plugs only) taping everything we watched all weekend.
>Fox news warning parents that most anime their kids watch on TV contain mature sexual themes, encourage homosexuality, ect. >they had some weeaboo on interview who claimed he learned full japanese watching DBZ subbed. >showed the Ryoko and Aeika kissing clip from Tenchi (they censored the kiss) >show Sasami in a very suggestive pose saying stuff like "some females in these shows are not even of age"
My memory is really fuzzy, this is from like, 1998.
>>117377939 Yeah but what have Slavs ever done for the world?
>>117378302 Its all a matter of opinion. I would say that the standards fans have these days are way lower. I kind of wish I was back in the day of sweaty neckbeards getting up in a fuss about pandering and such, but these days many are content or even happy with some off the terrible garbabe that is put out.
I mentioned in the thread earlier today that i'm not even sure if I have the tape around anymore. If it IS in the one box full of random assorted VHS tapes I have, i'd have to get a VCR, somehow hook it up to my PC, record from my PC if in the 0.00001% chance I find it.
Basically, it probably won't happen. i'll make a thread one day if I ever find it/get around to it. Surely some data base has every news report ever made by Fox news on the internet.
>>117374026 Wait, in the "anime then" section, what's the source for the girl bent over on the bench, third down on the right hand side? I don't want to have to ask but searching for that would be a difficult prospect.
>>117379864 >everyone stopped caring Go outside. I was walking down the street in New York the other day and there was a big fucking poster for Attack on Titan on a building. It's pretty goddamn popular now.
>>117379898 God, I have no idea how many times I'll have to say this.
ATTACK ON TITAN IS THE NEW NARUTO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF OTHER ANIME AND THE CHARACTERS LOOK MORE EUROPEAN
Seriously, man. Attack on Titan has been popular for the last year and a half, it doesn't mean that everyone's importing BDs. That's like saying anime is dying because they played Cowboy Bebop on adult swim back in 2000. Attack on Titan is one of the most popular things to come out of japan in a while, and that'll be it. I don't know if I'm articulating myself well enough, but I hope you understand the gist of what I'm trying to say.
>>117379992 Crunchyroll just reported over 400,000 paid subscribers. Anime sites pull immense traffic. Anime-style game are ported all the time. Hot Topic and other such hellholes sell a ton of anime merch constantly. Cons are wall-to-wall full of the stuff, and anime-centric cons easily get 5-digit attendances or more.
I get that 2002 was a huge bubble, I lived through it, but you're still wrong if you think anime isn't at 2002 levels now.
>>117380069 You know that anime conventions also have like fucking super hero comic books too, right? My point is that there have always been casuals, and there will continue to be casuals. 400,000 subscribers across the entire world for a fucking streaming service is kind of pathetic, because there are non-mainstream youtube channels that get that many people watching their videos. Seriously, in the last year, I've only seen people wearing attack on titan stuff. Back then, it was naruto headbands. Casuals will always jump on shit, but they won't actually be involved in the culture like a lot of us are. Anime is not mainstream. Losers and reddit nerds are not mainstream.
We watched them on fansub VHS. Through comic book stores, Asian friends or the VERY scarce anime store.
Once internet chat rooms started getting big in the late 90s, people started passing VHS around more professionally. I actually got the first season of CardCaptor Sakura and GTO through fansubs. Not to mention the really professionally remasters of Sailor Moon S and Stars on SVHS.
Around 2000, right when Hajime no Ippo and Love Hina came out, stuff like DivX became the big thing. And we finally could get anime online. Even though it looks like shit today, back then it was a revolution.
Now adays, people bitch if they don't get a show within an hour of it airing in Japan. Back then, you had to wait a year just for someone to get the show raw. Let alone sub and time it by hand.
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