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>that japanese steel folded 1000 times.
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>>117353741
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>>117353741
Most beautiful of all the Fate gentlemen.
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>>117353741

it would have been more impressive if he had cut the leaf vertically in half into two identical pieces.
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>>117353741
>leaves sheered just by falling on it
>still can't cut through medieval plate
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>>117353960
But he did in latest episode, One Saber's gauntlets were sliced.
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>>117353960
But he did cut through Saber's armor. Didn't you see the blood in pic related? You can also see Saber restoring her armor after Assassin used Tsubame Gaeshi.
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Can't wait for that sword to get bent by superior western steel
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>>117354351

armored hooves? is she a cow?
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>>117354644
her thumb is freakishly long
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>>117353950
It was an error, it'll be fixed in the BD!
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>>117353954
This looks like colision issue in video game.
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>>117355083
thats her index finger. that gauntlet is weird
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>>117353950
too edgy
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>>117354031
Ah the shitstorm this caused
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I wish they had least given a small explanation on how she escaped it. In the VN he only uses two slashes the first time and then his sword is bent the second time. Are they just going to chalk it up to A rank luck again?
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>>117353741
Today I will remind them

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
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>>117361925
Saber now has the ability to see the future
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>>117362033
its called experience anon
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>>117361973
Never knew about this, but I always had the feeling that European warfare would destroy Japanese warfare.
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>>117361973
Well that's what happens when people with guns fight people without guns.
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>>117362394
Didn't you fucking read. The Japanese pirates were also armed with muskets. Stop riding Japanese dick.
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Nip swords were always inferior and only useful for murdering defenseless peasants, however the samurai had fearsome techniques that could only be mastered by nerds who would swing their dumb ass swords all day instead of doing something productive.
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>>117362911
samurai skill > european brutte force
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>>117353960
That is what happens when you design a sword to cut through leaves instead of plate mail armor.
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what are the chances we will get a expansion of the fate series but with another war?

and plase, no more Arturia as Saber
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>>117363253
Wasn't Japan dry as fuck for Iron, so there were absolutely no armies around which HAD plate armor?
Officer might've had metal armor, but didn't they weave armor for their armies.

When faced with something like that, designing a sword to use as little metal as possible while still cutting flesh reliably... doesn't the katana do a fine job at that?
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>>117363170
European martial arts were sophisticated but forgotten because they were more interested in developing new ways to crush their enemies than masturbatory rituals.
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>>117362911
>fearsome techniques that could only be mastered by nerds who would swing their dumb ass swords all day instead of doing something productive.

i never thought of it like that
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>>117363643
I mean on sword fights,

Samurai > Knight
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>>117363558
I thought they folded their swords so much because their iron was of poor quality coming out of the ground.
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>>117363437
Well, there's Extra, Apocrypha, and Strange Fake; all cover different wars.

Ufotable joked that if UBW sells 100K, they'll animate Hollow Ataraxia, but frankly I don't know if I'd want that over some of the other options.
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>>117363779
I never liked the extra class in Ataraxia tho
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>>117363773

Their iron ore had a lower iron content then the ore in europe, after refinement japanese iron wasn't any worse.
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>>117363741
I dunno, kenjutsu is pretty awesome, but european rapier and especially german longsword fighting is pretty incredible.
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>>117363741
Did you even read >>117361973
It was conquistadors vs ronin

Spanish fencing won the day
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>>117365113
I mean old school knight fight, not fencing
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>>117365113
Did you even read? The Spanish almost used up their entire supply of gunpowder so it wasn't Spanish fencing but a much larger supply of gunpowder than those Japanese pirates.
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I hate Saber so much.
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Aint it kinda hypocrite that saber questions Archer intent to never become an Heroic spirit, when she wants to ask the grial to never become a king for starters
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>>117365113
Sounds more like pike and shot carried the day over Fencing or swords, as was the case in Japan at the time as well.
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>>117361820

Its... just not... how swords work
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>>117361925
From what I've seen on the "Fate" route, it seemed that he did used 3 slashes. It was just that the 3rd slash was slower on the uptake because of the unproper footing (according to Assassin), along with Saber rolling on the ground.
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>>117366086
It's not how matter works
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>>117366162

amen
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>>117366026
The Japanese had Portuguese weapons including muskets

The Portuguese were trying to undermine the Spanish by giving these weapons to the Japanese

You still overlook that the Spanish only had 40 soldiers to the 1000 Japanese guns then did not shoot repeatedly.

tl; dr
get off that jap dick you weeaboo faggot
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>>117366832
Damn, my grammar sucks
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>>117366832
All of that had nothing to do with the fact that the victory had nothing to do with nip sword swinging or spanish fencing and more to do with the fact that you had a bunch of disorganized pirates (most of whom weren't even Japanese) fighting an organized military in an entrenched position. The only case where you can argue swords came into play might have been the boarding, and even then the article clearly says that the ship was taken with pikemen at the front.

Also
>1000 Japanese Guns
nice made up number. Hell, almost everything about the actual battle has no citations except for a report by the Korean court (during the Imjin war, which had nothing whatsoever to do with spain)

tl;dr nevermind your grammar, your argument sucks too.
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>>117362526
japanese firearms were just goddamn terrible in that time period
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>>117353741
GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL.
FOLD OVER 1000 TIMES.
FILTHY GAIJIN GO HOME.
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>>117368582
Not to mention that these are pirates, so the only firearms they had were most likely looted off battlefields or overenthusiastic Chinese coastguard (the few times they bothered to do anything about Wokou).
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>>117362911
Swords are sword. They're designed for different purposes based on the battlefields of various regions.

Bushido used to be referred to as the 'Way of the Horse and Bow". Anyone who could afford to used a horse, Any infantry that wasn't a retard would come to battle with a bow, a spear, a backup sword, and a backup knife.

The katana developed primarily as a cavalry saber, it was easy to draw from horseback, curved weapons are preferred for horseback due to the nature of how 'draw slices' work where you want to pull the blade along as you cut (which is easily accomplished while riding at speed and cutting at infantry). It was fashioned with a longer handle so as to be more easy to wield on foot (where its curvature also helped with the 'draw slice') though it was still perfectly capable of being used with one hand. It was capable of stabbing quite well and it was overall an excellent weapon for the Japanese battlefields that didn't have much metal armor (like English plate armor).

Katana are quite nice as far as swords go, if you understand how they evolved into what they are and what they were used for. European and Arabic swords are also quite beautiful things too. Fuck the romanticism that happened to all of them though.

The Yumi was designed to be used from horseback too (which is why it's held at the bottom third rather than in the middle). The yari was great either from horse or on foot.
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>>117363773
Folding the metal helped even out the carbon distribution which made 'good' steel. The thing is though, once you've jumped through all the hoops to get to the finished product of 'steel' steel is steel this is a gross generalization but for the most part accurate regardless of the iron that it comes from as long as you did it right.

Europe had much higher quality iron and a lot more of it, which made it fairly easy to get to steel with relatively simple techniques. Japan had pretty poor quality iron which meant they had to use slightly more advanced techniques to get to steel.
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>>117363558
They for the most part used 'lamellar' type armors, sometimes ceramic, sometimes metal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamellar_armour

Anyone who could afford them (daimyos and their inner circle) would try their best to get steel breastplates.
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>>117367693
40 men in a trench with pikes fighting off 600 charging men in three waves isn't impressive

Okay
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>>117369542
>steel is steel
Not at all. There are many grades of steel, some far superior to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_grades
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>>117369850
>missing the spoiler of 'This is a gross generalization, but for the most part true'.

Regardless of the means that you took to get to steel it is functionally very similar.
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>>117369764
40 career soldiers with artillery and muskets in an entrenched position fighting off a bunch of chinese-Japanese rabble with scurvy, a few muskets and a language barrier isn't particularly impressive, no.
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>>117369542
The Japanese techniques weren't even more advanced, just more labor intensive. They got the whole folding shit from Tang Dynasty China and were still using it as a method 900 years after it was first transmitted, when the Chinese had long since moved towards an early version of blast furnaces for making steel.
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>>117370056
This is true. Island nation japan had to try and steal a LOT from china in order to get 'culture'.

I recall stories of them raiding Chinese villages to bring back potters, brewers and all sorts of other things.
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>>117353960

leaves are a lot easier to cut than armor anon

seeing as leaves are organs of cellulose designed to photosynthesize and armor is layers of metal designed to not get cut
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>>117363741
>>117363170
a.) Sword fights were always meaningless pomp for nobles to amuse themselves.

b.) It's meaningless to argue japan v west since it's clear that by the standards of their time the Mongols were the greatest military force in history.
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PSA: Swords suck as weapons.

Polearms and ranged weapons are near-universally better.
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>>117370158
At least they weren't pointlessly nationalistic to the point of letting every sovereign nation walk right over them, eschewing science and modernism until the 1900s resulting in woefully underequipped and underteched armies, industry, and agriculture - simply because, they were too prideful to learn from others.

Meanwhile, the Japanese ran around learning and stealing from the modern world, acknowledging their superiority, and successfully modernized themselves from an almost medieval-esque state (Sengoku era) through the Meiji Restoration in the 1800s.
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>>117370023
Not impressive

Anon, you sound like a try hard faggot
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Does everything need to revolve about food?

Get it together, Shirou
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>>117370841
But the swimsuit looks like crap
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>>117370706
>40 trained soldiers beating 600 disorganized rabble with superior weapons and a fortified position is somehow impressive
No, anon, you're the tryhard.

Your pic is case in point, the IJA wasn't impressive because Canadian and US troops fired on each other in their absence, the allies were just incompetent that battle.
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>>117370841
the fact that Shirou can think in terms other than swords is impressive enough
expecting him to move past food is asking for a miracle
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As a supposedly legendary master swordsman Arthur sure doesn't win much in straight up sword fights.
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>>117370992
King Arthur was an untrained faggot who only got good because he got a cheater sword
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>>117356301
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO WRONG

I NEED A FATGUY PLEASE HELP /tg/
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I hate Saber so much. So fucking much.

And all of you as well.
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>>117353960
That's exactly what a good edge can do though, a good edge cuts through soft stuff like skin with no resistance, just look at razors or scalpels.
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>>117370472
The only reason Japan did any of this was because the Chinese got themselves completely fucked over in the Opium War. Previously Korea, China and Japan were all just about the same in their complete close-mindedness, Korea perhaps to a slightly lesser extent. You're also completely ignoring the existential crisis that the Japanese faced in the Boshin War and during the Satsuma rebellion, and the lucky presence of skilled reformers in the early years of the restoration.

China was cursed with a rotting, conservative government during this time, and even then they made an honest (if incredibly corrupted) attempt to modernize. If the other side of the Boshin and Satsuma rebellions won the same thing would have well happened to Japan.
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>>117370469
Provide evidence.
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>>117370422
Go back to bed, dan carlin
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>>117366086
It's a magic sword though, so it makes perfect sense in context...
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>>117370472
You're making a simplistic hindsight comparison that ignores all of the complexities behind why things turned out the way they did.

If you compare China of the 1600s to any Western European nation of the 1600s, China was incomparably wealthier and more advanced than all of them. If you compare China of the 1700s to any Western European nation of the 1700s, the same is still mostly true. It's only when you get to the 1800s that the Western European nations (England specifically) really start to pull ahead due to the Industrial Revolution being in full swing + the innovations and scientific discoveries of the preceding 200 years finally being realized. Basically, it's not the Chinese being xenophobic luddites so much as it is that they did not pay enough attention to what was happening on the other side of the world and were caught completely off-guard when the previously poor and backward nations of Europe became ascendant.

As for why the Japanese had more success in modernizing, it's due to a number of factors. The first is that the Japanese had already watched the Chinese get taken out by England by the time Perry had shown up, on top of watching Perry demonstrate how his ships could easily destroy Edo Castle if things came to blows, both of which instilled in them a sense of urgency. The second is that Japan as a country was smaller (making sweeping societal changes easier) and that, unlike China, its leadership class was mostly united in their belief about the necessity of modernization. The third is simply a matter of timing--had the Japanese tried to "catch up" even 10 years earlier or 10 years later, its likely that they would have been much less successful than they were.
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>>117371096
Saber will always love you
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>>117370978
Anon getting upset because you are a try hard won't solve anything

I bet you think this isn't impressive because he is a trained soldier fighting off 30 Taliban "rabble" with ak's and rpg's
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