>watch Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya
>Ilya is adorable and lovable and you want her to succeed and make friends and end up with her onii-chan
>Ilya is an evil unholy abomination against God and nature who you want to fail and die and be murdered to death horribly by her onii-chan before she can unleash any further horrors upon the earth
Well this is awkward
>who you want to fail and die and be murdered to death horribly
Your wish shall be granted
though not by Shirou
How about you play the fucking game?
Holy fuck you know nothing about Illya yet and UBW is the absolute worst arc to find anything about her.
In fate at least she gets some good scenes with Shirou and hanging out with him in the market place. Bad ends in the game also tell you a lot about her personality even if it's meta.
>an evil unholy abomination against God and nature
I think you have Ilya confused with someone else anon
>and UBW is the absolute worst arc to find anything about her.
Are you retarded?
Also Fate Ilya is worst Ilya
In Fate she's just a generic psychopathic loli
But FSN Ilya is best and cutest, all Prisma has is lesbianism.
Have you not read the VN, filthy secondary-kun?
She decapitates Shirou's fucking head and keeps it alive in a neverending state of agonizing undeath just because she wouldn't 'be his' you fucking lunatic
Deal with it, nerd
If you want someone who's tragically misunderstood at least go with Sakura
No fucking way. Her death scene is touching but it makes no sense without fate and dojos because they do nothing with her in UBW.
That's really the entirity of her in this route. She's a support character in UBW.
In fate she's the midboss. They develop her and ask all the questions about her.
In HF they answer all the questions.
In UBW they ignore her.
Get off of Archer's computer before you fucking break it, Rin
>She decapitates Shirou's fucking head and keeps it alive in a neverending state of agonizing undeath just because she wouldn't 'be his' you fucking lunatic
You didn't even pay attention to the dojo's after this happened did you?
>implying children can't be evil as fuck
Those are pretty much everything Ilya have in UBW though.
(the only other times she's on screen are the first appareance in the common days, the Berserker fight at the graveyard and the extra bits Ufotable is adding to the UBW adaptation)
As good as that short peek into her past as training Master, that's a minuscle amount of exposure compared to HF (or Fate, but there she haven't much focus on her aside "mid-way boss")
>I bet you haven't played Heavens Feel faggot
Her acting like she did was one of the major catalyst why everything went down the drain.
Together with everyone else acting completly retarded for most of the time
>Not experiencing best Illya first and realizing she is the best Onee-chan in HF
Oh I don't know. Probably because she can't use tech to save her life?
>she is the best Onee-chan in HF
I disagree she's actualy a pretty shitty one.
even pic related is better
Prisma Ilya > HF Ilya
Movie =/= anime, you nerd
There's too much to fit into a movie without butchering the hell out of it
Just as an aside to whatever debate you two are having, Rin is inexperienced with technology as a whole but she's not retarded.
Carnival Phantasm is exaggerating his inexperience. She can even use cell phones with a little effort and she's a very smart girl.
Don't trashtalk her.
She managed to somehow get the broken mess that is Arihiko to be able to function in society
Well /a/, /cgl/ has provided some interesting research....
>watch Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya
No, because she doesn't actually like Shirou in that way, at least in the beginning, though she's definitely interested by him. By the time the attraction comes about, she just pities Archer.
F/Z and prisma illya are canon; everything else is alternate continuity.
Deal with it.
Can you be a lolicon and a normalfag at the same time?
See, this is why Kiritsugu is a shit dad
Shirou wouldn't be having any problems with crazy as fuck imoutos if Kirei had picked him up
>Ilya no longer deems Shirou an enemy when Hercules dies
>Didn't even kill him day 2 at night when she had a chance to
>She's basically a psycho bitch and wants Shirou to suffer just because
What the fuck?
>No, because she doesn't actually like Shirou in that way, at least in the beginning
F/Z actually can't be canon at the same time as Prisma, though, it's very heavily implied that Kerry and Iri killed the head of the Einzbern family and basically called off any future Holy Grail Wars/Heaven's Feel Rituals.
With that said, a lot of people here seem to be discussing UBW Ilya withuot actually having read the visual novels.
I can understand why they'd do that if they got introduced to the franchise via Prisma Ilya but Ilya in the FSN is a very different person (in fact, Kuro is supposed to be FSN Ilya who got "killed/sealed" away so a new Illya free from magic could arise).
That she's in the war at all is a
death sentence to her as, like was the case with Iri, she doubles as the receptacle for the grail due to Emiya Kiritsugu failing his taks in F/Z; part of her motivation to screw over as many people as she can is just out of a sense of having been abandoned and lied to and a general disdain towards her opponents
Makes you wonder, would he latch onto Kerei's being or Gil's beliefs?
>Shirou wouldn't be having any problems with crazy as fuck imoutos if Kirei had picked him up
He'd have been used as sacrifice
to feed Gilgamesh mana like every other children Kotomine got his hands on
>implying a psychopath wouldn't be perfect for getting a kid ready for this bullshit
I don't remember anywhere in the VN it discussing Shirou doin some highjump shit that made Rin and Sakura dig his nuts.
Did I just miss something here?
I think the exact opposite.
I want all Prismafags to get cancer and die.
Why the fuck is his hair white as a kid
>"That's the guy my little sister really likes."
And yet she wets her panties over him
What a slut
>get cancer and die.
>He less jobs and it's more Gil being an overpowered cunt.
Hardly, Berserker is trying to protect Ilya with his body because Gil doesn't care if he kills Ilya in the process meaning that he is at an disadvantadge to begin with. At a "fair fight" he might stay a chance but even then it's unlikely, Herc with mad enhancement against Gil is just a bad matchup, he'd have faired better if he had his noble phantasm available and could snipe Gil from several miles away while taking Ilya with him instead of having to try and get close to Gil just to deal any damage to him
>There isn't blood FUCKING EVERYWHERE
>Replying to bait.
Given that OP is a bait to begin with, why not? It's hard to tell which ones are bait and which ones are people genuinely confused by not actually having read the novel and instead having decided to watch Carnival Phantasm -> F/Z -> Prisma Ilya -> UBW and knowing absolute jack of how they all connect with each other because they refuse to read the novel in the first place
>watching CF before anything else
Who would do this?
>comparing two markedly different depictions of the same character
You are a strange person with strange opinions
Magical lube? Also, weren't they doing it in the ass?
>Who would do this?
There were a ton of people in CF thread asking where to start with the T-M universe while it was airing/being released and refusing to read the novels because "why would I waste time on a erogame, doesn't Tsukihime have an anime anyway?"
Do you not remember the jackhammering?
Get off of /a/, Shirou
Your dad wouldn't want you on here
>Magical lube? Also, weren't they doing it in the ass?
>implying Rin knows what anal is
>implying Shirou knows what anal is
>implying Archer would take the time to explain what anal is to them
Was that not the first time they fucked in that route?
Because virgin = blood
Jackhammering sure as hell wouldn't help with that
>You are a strange person with strange opinions
I am willing to accept the possibility OP may not have thought of it that way, but it's not "awkward", Prisma Ilya is a spinoff (or a parody, depending on your view of it) so the characters will obviously act very different from how they act in the main series.
It should hardly surprise anyone, even if Prisma Ilya was how they started with the franchise.
It's no different from people coming from Carnival Phantasm and suddenly being surprised the Fate character don't just merrily get along and wonder where half of the cast went off.
>watch any Fate/SN UBW
Prisma is so much better than the source material it's not even funny.
>doesn't Tsukihime have an anime anyway?
That has to be bait, man. Nobody would actually say that.
If he was jackhammering that ass and he didn't prepare her properly she'd have one hell of a sore bloody ass I can tell you that
>Because virgin = blood
You seem to imply Rin is a virgin. Care to back that up?
It is well-known that she pleases old men yadda, yadda
Genderbent and regular versions of each character
Irisviel is superior to the abortion that was Illya.
Zero > Stay Night. Prove me wrong.
>doesn't know what the H-scene is
>calls someone else a 'secondary'
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
Isn't that the only route where he doesn't bone her though?
Rin's fuckability is second only to Sakura's in that game and... well, Sakura
Also rule 63 for no reason
Is there any route where Sakura doesn't get banged like a screen door in a hurricane?
>no fuckable Ilya
>no fuckable Taiga
>no fuckable Ayako
>no fuckable Caster
All these years later, still mad
Why did Nasu have to make Sakura a wormslut? I was enjoying her character from what little I saw of the anime thus far then I get spoiled on all this horrible stuff that happens to her before the plot AND her dive into insanity in Heaven's Feel AND that she used to be Rin's sister! what the hell? I thought she was like the archer president and the track team girls.
>wanting Shinji's sloppy seconds
Yeah I'm sure that DRAGON was all that happened in that shack
They're two entirely different characters that happen to share the same name. Chloe Von Einzbern is the FSN Ilya and let's be honest the first thing she tries to do is murder Ilya and replace her so she's probably at least a little psychopathic.
Let's all just get along. Prisma Ilya is the sexiest, HF Ilya died for your sins
Kuro is the best
If UBW Shirou jackhammer'd Rin and HF Shirou has Archer's arm, it can go either way or both dead.
It will boil down to ideals: I'll save everyone, but I know its fucking retarded vs I'll be Sakura's hero
Prism she grew up normally with her family, and is a normal girl for the most part. Ilya fans tend to hate this Ilya for "Not a real Ilya, just Ilya in name only".
F/SN she thought she was abandoned by her father and then was modified in a torturous way perhaps. She's really eighteen years old, but as a homunculus she didn't age physically beyond a point because that function was taken out so she could be a Holy Grail when her mother failed. Her thoughts are a mess, but on rare occasions she can show some maturity as well since she's the older one.
Given a couple years UBW Shirou will definitely become the strongest and most useful. Even if HF Shirou has Archer's arm it's a suicidal move, and without that he's probably weaker than Fate Shirou.
UBW Shirou got his RM unlocked 10 years early, saw shit inside it, and picked up a ton of stuff from Gil's GoB. By the time he's in his mid-20s he's probably be above the level Archer peaked at in life.
it's just that Prisma's Illya is the least interesting character in her own
>so how she turn out in a normal life
She's just a regular young girl. Kuro and Miyu have more going for them with their backstories. Heck I'm more interested in all the other side characters. Why is Kirei working at a restaurant? why was Caren disguising as a nurse? Where is Kerry traveling all the time? does he still attempt to be an hero?
and then in 3rei, Shirou just steals the spotlight again
>UBW Shirou got his RM unlocked 10 years early, saw shit inside it, and picked up a ton of stuff from Gil's GoB. By the time he's in his mid-20s he's probably be above the level Archer peaked at in life.
Doesn't UBW Shirou also go on to get proper magic training and become a mage proper by having married into Rin's family?
NPC =/= AI
She is an AI, she's still an AI even at the end. Inherently she will always be something inhuman even if she discovered something human.
The difference between an NPC and an AI is laid out in the game itself, as AI are capable of independent thought beyond a certain point, and aren't wiped at the end of each Grail War like the NPC's.
He will never be anything as a magus beyond elementary school student level, this is said directly by Nasu. He will absolutely never be anything as a magus, but as a spell-caster he'll eventually be deemed on the same level as his father supposedly.
Understand the difference there; Shirou is a specialist only, he can do things a real magus could never dream about but he can only do that one magic in the end. No matter how much training he gets it won't amount to anything aside from knowledge of how it's supposed to work. He'll never be able to cast different spells here.
Although in CCC he seems to be applying some of what he's learned later on in life in his ending. Where we see him in the Middle East teaching kids to survive in the post-apocalypse.
>it's just that Prisma's Illya is the least interesting character in her own
Different Anon, but I consider the concept of Prisma Illya to be just the author having fun with it and not much else (even if he has tried to make the manga take a turn that is more serious now) given how little backstory you have of what Kerry and Iri did to stop the ritual/war from even beginning in the first place.
>Why is Kirei working at a restaurant?
That's in Miyu's alternate universe, I don't recall Kirei doing so in the Prisma Ilya's main universe.
>Where is Kerry traveling all the time? does he still attempt to be an hero?
Chances are doing the same stuff he was doing before, he accepted beforehand that the world could not be changed (or that the risk of the grail falling into a wrong hands and/or Ilya having to become one if they failed was not worth it).
>why was Caren disguising as a nurse?
That is probably the only reasonable one but she showed up early in Ilya and it was supposed to probably just be a joke.
>and then in 3rei, Shirou just steals the spotlight again
Again, alternate Shirou.
Mind you, I am not saying Prisma Ilya herself is more interesting than the other characters you mentioned, but that's the whole setup. She's a different character from Fate Ilya (who is supposed to be Kuro in that universe) and is more of a vehicle to keep the plot going as far magical shaenanigans go.
She is just a regular girl (or thought she was) that was thrown into this whole madness but you really shouldn't compare her to Fate Ilya given that her mind was literally wiped clean so she could be a regular girl instead
>She is an AI, she's still an AI even at the end. Inherently she will always be something inhuman even if she discovered something human.
Hence why I was doubting. I know the game doesn't use the words interchangeably but there are enough people who will do so because they haven't really played it
I get that it's the setup and even I find Prisma fun, but the other anon doesn't have to think about it much to see why Fate Illya is a better character. She's much more defined and unique when she's not even the supposed protagonist of the story
>qt magus waifu to help
>dumb contract with Alaya
You don't seem to remember how a lot of this went down. He made the contract for power with the world while alive, in exchange for eternal servitude after death. That's how he lost his soul to begin with in exchange for finally being able to save some people.
His power as a guardian is only equal to the level of threat he's summoned against, rather than being his main source of power like you think.
>I get that it's the setup and even I find Prisma fun, but the other anon doesn't have to think about it much to see why Fate Illya is a better character. She's much more defined and unique when she's not even the supposed protagonist of the story
Agreed though subjective preferences are often not determined on if a character is objectively better written and has more interesting backstory.
I can understand why some people may just outright prefer Prisma Ilya as a character even if the writing is subpar compared to Fate Ilya, possibly because they know how deep the rabbit hole goes with Fate Ilya and it's not exactly a pleasant trip
Maybe I am misremembering things because I remember him making the contract to save the people immediately in front of him; something like only a hundred lives. I don't remember him getting a specific power boost in life.
there are many forms of magecraft that he could learn. any type of formal craft he could do. anything with some relation to his reality marble he could probably do.
thats still extremely specialized but its not quite as limited as you make it sound
On the topic of EMIYA making a contract with the World. Isn't that what made him a counter-guardian as well? Would UBW Shirou become a heroic spirit because of his performance in the HGW or will he just live his life a normal human with qtπ magus?
Strenght doesn't determine if one becomes a heroic spirit, you need to have fame. Unless you're Hassan that is.
In a world where the Association tries to hide any trace of magic, it'll be tough for one with a forbidden magic to get a lot of fame
it's muh paradox of an Emiya Shirou who has contracted with Alaya killing an Emiya Shirou who hasn't. Even he he says it might be impossible to change his fate, but he'll try because that's all he's got
>>>WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
What do you think he's trying to accomplish anon? he certainly has nothing to lose, he never prioritizes Shirou's death over Rin or anybody else.
>Would UBW Shirou become a heroic spirit because of his performance in the HGW
No, literally no chance
Emiya only squeaked in as a HS because he was a Guardian and because the grail was corrupted, so it picked something as strange as a guardian.
Shirou will not became famous world-wide as legends are sung of him for hundreds of years as they believe him to be something far beyond human by nature.
He just doesn't want to be forced into more hells, can you blame him?
Archer is just a bitter faggot, even he stated that killing Shirou wouldn't make a difference.
One of the dumbest posts so far.
If something did go wrong then that's exactly what he wanted, it was impossible for him to change shit from the start since the Shirou that becomes him is not from this time-line already and so he's already created no matter what, and even he admits that shit probably will not change here worth shit and he doesn't care since he's mainly taking his anger out on his younger self here rather than seeking results.
The second the time-line diverged at all it already could not be possible for this Shirou to be his younger self, from the start it was impossible. At best he was hoping Gaia would have a seizure and erase them both in a panic if Shirou kills Shirou, but he flat out admits that near 100% chance that nothing will really happen.
But this is Shirou with RM AND his ideals intact and stronger than ever.
Wouldn't a superhero that can create his own reality become pretty fucking famous? Especially if he deems anything 'evil' or needs to save someone. He would jump into action.
Honestly interested in how Kiritsugu and Archer would have gotten along if Kiri had summoned him in Zero
that's what Enforcers are for
don't call him Kiri, use Kerry for short. There is already someone named Kiri in the Nauverse
>But this is Shirou with RM AND his ideals intact and stronger than ever.
Power doesn't make a heroic spirit, Ryougi Shiki is not a heroic spirit.
>Wouldn't a superhero that can create his own reality become pretty fucking famous?
No, learn about the systems in place here, if he ever let his magic be revealed to the world he'd be dead within the hour and anyone who happened to see it would also be dead. This is a stupid point to make, it's like saying "Man, if Waver was a top tier magician, then wouldn't he be the most famous shit ever world-wide". No he wouldn't because Magic is not allowed to be known at all, except towards maybe 1% of the populous.
>Especially if he deems anything 'evil' or needs to save someone. He would jump into action.
That's what Archer did, it didn't make him a Heroic Spirit on his own. Archer saved the world a few times, always rushed in to save everyone, and did literally everything you're saying.
It didn't make him a heroic spirit, he had to sell his soul to be counted.
It's basically impossible for a heroic spirit to be created in this day and age. It's not flat out impossible, but it won't happen no matter what route Shirou follows here just because "Shit, he's soooo powerful though". His magic won't be allowed to be known, even if it was he'd just be a heretic to be studied, and Archer already did everything you're thinking the other Shirou would eventually and it did not make him a HS by his own virtue.
It's pointless to kill a Shirou that isn't pursuing the Super Hero path or a Shirou that won't become him.
Archer wouldn't even kill Shirou in UBW except as a last resort. He tried to talk him out of his shit a dozen times over instead.
>archer finds him
>Archer never talks about hero stuff
>shirou never wants to become a hero
>archer doesn't kill him
Archer only tries to kill him in ubw, when shirou was dead set on becoming a hero.
Prisma Illya is Shirou's little sister.
Fate Illya she is Shirou's older sister.
>There are people who prefer Prisma Illya to the real Illya
I don't normally use this term, but you're most likely a filthy secondary.