>most of /a/ hates him All he did was fuck a stupid bitch.

he did fuck her? torture that fucker

You forgot about the whole utter cunt in every route thing.

>>117020537
And? What's there to like if that's all he did?

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>>117020798
But he wasn't.

>>117020537
Oh so he fucked you then, cunt?

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>>117020831
His loving personality. His popularity at his school. His swuave hair. Voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya.

>>117020838
Yes.

Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.

>>117020537
He could've been good.

But then he lied.
So he died.

What out for Shinji Matou
- Fucks worm infested girls
- Is so pathetic he had to burn a command seal to get Rider pussy
- Kicked Taiga the best girl while she was melting
- Kicked second best girl Kotomine's corpse
- Is interested in raping Rhinos who wear red
- Shitposts and enjoys every second of it.
- Has creepy incest porn.

This guy is a bloody wanker.

>>117020904
>His loving personality.
He's completely unlikeable

>His popularity at his school.
That's not a reason to like him

>His swuave hair.
Looks like seaweed.

>Voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya.
Only good trait but it's not worth it.

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>>117020944
Shinji pls.

You know Rin will never hop off of Shirou's Saber for yours.

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>>117020537
How is Mitsuzuri a stupid bitch?

He is a delusional and pathetic retard.

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He was too funny to hate in the VN.
Everytime Shinji did some ridicoulously villainous thing while laughing like a dickish madman and then running away afterwards it re-enforced my belief that Nasu included him for comic relief.
All he wanted to do was have fun and then
>killed like a bitch
>turned into a meat mountain
>killed trying to rape the antagonist
Too silly to hate.

>>117020972
He's truly one of us.

>>117021051
wow she looks pale as shit. did she lose that much blood to Rider? Considering she can't see Rider it must of been extremely scary.

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>>117021080
Favorite /a/non ever.

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If only I could attain such a high level of mastery over dubious and smug faces.

>>117020972
His ultimate goal is to kill anime

>>117020972
>- Shitposts and enjoys every second of it.
Everything else could be forgiven but this is just unacceptable.

>>117021347
>not enjoying shitposting
What are you doing on /a/?

>Hating Shinji
What a pleb

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>>117020944
I wonder who's behind this post

>>117020537
Hey now, Rider isn't a bitch.

>>117020537
>All he did was fuck a stupid bitch.
Which one?

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>>117021347
Upset your life isn't this good?

>>117020537
He kicked mai waifu while the Bloodfort was melting her, I'll never forgive him for that.
He's also just an overall total wanker.

>>117021568
>shitposting in a warm room on a cold day
Truly the most relateable Type Moon character.

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Shinji, get in the grail war

Typical character created for self-inserting losers to hate on and feel better about themselves. Guy has money, good looks, lineage, bitches, his sister's pussy, her servant's pussy, has proven to be able to get that beta Shirou to do his dirty work.

But no, he's so lame and butthurt because he isn't the chosen.
But no, the school idol doesn't want him, she wants the ginger faggot.
But no, his sister was just pitying him and she prefers the ginger cock too.
But no, he's an asshole, a rapist, a potential mass murderer, a coward.

I find it hard believing Shinji is what's pathetic here.

>>117020537

I fucking love him, I'm sure the people who dislike him are just a loud minority. I'd rather we have Shinji as the MC instead of Shirou.

Archer is the red man

His Extra Counterpart was far more heroic

Shinji is the rapist

He kicked Fuji-nee.

Shinji was just a badly written character. He's not somebody who could exist in real life. He's literally just supposed to be a materialization of every hateable trait imaginable. No more pathetic than wish fulfillment bullshit.

>>117022662
Nasu's actually fond of Shinji.

>>117022408

That'd actually be kind of interesting. Instead of the reluctant but genuinely good guy typical MC we'd have a cowardly and narcissistic anti-hero. Usually the MCs are romantically indecisive and fearful but courageous in battle, for Shinji it'd be the other way around.

>>117020537
>Delusional fags think he raped Mitsuzuri
>Even more delusional fags think he fucked Rider
No, you guys are beyond wrong.
Rider attacked Mitsuzuri, and Rider wouldnt obey a sex order. Before you bitch about it no, command seals dont work that way.

What do you think Shinji goes on to do after UBW?

>>117020537
He's a beta faggot.

>>117022922

Does that mean you hate shirou as well?

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>>117020972
>Is so pathetic he had to burn a command seal to get Rider pussy

>>117022739
I'd watch it.

He was made to be hated, if you hate him it means he's doing his job.

>>117022922
Shinji has the traits of an alpha male, only set up to look terrible.

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>>117021568
>He actually shitposts4free.
Top kek.

>>117022739
I love Shirou, but I'd be cool with a spin-off involving Shinji as the MC and winning/ending the HGW.

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>>117022739

Literally the character of this book.

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>>117020537
Man the only reason I like shinji is for the smug faces

>>117022314
You forgot the part where he's a failure of a mage and can't get over it.

>>117020798
He however made it to the end 3 out of 3 times. the end being day 13.

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>>117020537
but japan loves him

>>117023606
Shinji is probably the most relatable fate/stay night character

>>117023324
>Recommended by Peter V. Brett

Picked up.

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>>117020988
>Based Kamiya
>Not the best character
SACRILEGE

>>117023414
He dies in day 10 in the fate route

>>117020537


Wonder how long before that one Sakurafag posts in here saying that he didn't rape her in Realta Nua therefore it wasn't canon.

>>117023699

That should be a turn off. That man is the anti-thesis of anything resembling ''good''.

apparently everyone enshrined in Yasukuni is an eirei(hero spirit). All 2.5 million of them.

What would Hideki Tojo's Noble Phantasm be?

>>117021137


Nah it was from Shinji tearing her hymen

>>117023833
B-but I like The Demon Cycle.

>>117023838
Yeah, Rider needed blood after all.

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Why do I love Shinji so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. Shinji isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him walking through Fuyuki, all the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold under the the name of "Matou Orgasm." The very nature of Shinji is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, Shinji is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Shinji is not one that is easily penetrated. Shinji is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. Shinji is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gourgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of sapphire, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of Shinji. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. Shinji is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without Shinji, the entire Fate series as we know them crumbles.

These are just of a few of the reasons why I like Shinji so much.

>>117023882

Even beyond the second part of the second book? I thought it was literally-worse-than-Terry-Goodkind quality.

>>117023606
Shinji best Saber

>>117023606
That's just shinji shopped over where saber is. It's obvious... It even says seibaa right next to him

>>117023606
kiritsugu deserves higher

>>117021051
so guys. was it rape?

>>117023762
Fuck, I said that while not being 100% sure about Fate I just hoped.

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>>117023606
>posting a shop
I like Shinji but he doesn't deserve the first place

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>>117023960
Are you drunk?

>>117024036
Neither does Seibah.

>>117024013


Ayakofags will say it wasn't because of m-muh purity but yes it was.

>>117024036
I want saberfags to leave.

>>117024036
BTFO Illyafags

>>117023925
I enjoy reading about Arlen, I want to see where he ends up. Also the world itself is interesting, I'm fond of rune magic.

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>>117024036
Fuck I wanted to post this, shit
>>117024075
I know, sorry

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>>117024036
>saber higher than iskandar or gilgamesh

>>117024036
>no hisui or Ciel


Confirmed worst heroines

>>117023834
Yamato. It does nothing and then Tojo gives up.

>>117024036
I see at least 4 characters in that top 20 more deserving of Seibah as #1, and a 5th isn't on it >>117024173

>>117024173
How the hell is Shirou so low yet Sakura,Rin and Saber all placed better then him? Then again Shirou is kinda shitty manchild who wants to have his way all the time in the novel.

>>117024173

>Kirei top
Kek

>>117024152

What popular fiction writers do you dislike?

>>117024036
What series does the ching chong nip nong of places 2 and 5 refer to?

>>117024049
No.... I'm just pointing out that the picture is wrong. I won't allow lies to be posted here.

He gets to fuck Rider, that's reason enough.

>>117024270
Kara no kyoukai and tsukihime

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>>117024013
Well the serial rapist who attacked her said she was raped and she was found in a back ally with her clothing disheveled, so yeah...

>>117024270
Just leave.

>>117024270
2 is Ryougi Shiki from Kara no kyoukai, 5 is Arcuied from Tsukihime
Fucking secondary

>>117022739
I'd buy the vn, hell I'd pay a translator to work on it.

>>117024241
Heroines naturally get more attention in an eroge.

>>117020537

Shinji has far too many teeth in his mouth for someone who talks as much shit as he does. That's half on Shirou though

>>117024013
Nasu never confirmed it. So if it wasn't rape it was consensual.

>>117024036
How would this change after the UBW series?

>>117024268
Dislike? Well I'm a casual when it comes to written fiction (I've read a decent amount, just not enough to say much), so not much. I've never been able to get through a Terry Goodkind book, and Terry Brooks is good but I find his stories somewhat formulaic at times. Beyond that nothing really comes to mind, although I read the Twilight series to give it a fair chance and thoroughly regretted it.

Ah, and I guess Cassandra Clare? No idea if she's popular though, but fuck her books.

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>>117024173
>no Tohno
>not even Nanaya
Foolish nips.

>>117024475
In F/HA is implied that she wants to be raped again by raider

>>117024551
Better Shiki is in 2nd

>>117024557
Barely survive round one, goes back for seconds. She has good taste.

>>117024557
You didn't play the game did you? Rider weirds her out because she seems to be coming on to her.

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>>117024592
I don't see him anywhere.

>>117024487
saber still 1st
Archer in 2nd
Rin in 3rd

Wormslut not even in picture

>>117024036
I'm not even a saberfag, but I'm really happy saber is in 1st place for some reason

>>117021051
So, was it rape or not? There's way too much contradictory info regarding this.

>>117021568
Who the fuck has himself Andy Warhol'd and then put it in his own fucking bedroom?

>>117024755
A god among men.

>>117024755
A man with great taste.

I bet he put up a copy of that picture in Sakura's room

>>117021051
her smile and optimism: gone

>>117024551
Melty Blood was shit.

>>117024855
Don't forget her hymen

>>117024786
>>117024819
Go away, Shinji.

>>117024918
You see this is why we all hate you Shiro. Now clean out the Archy Room I got my freak on in there with my bitches.

>>117025020
Can I like Shinji and Shirou at the same time?

Shinji route where Shirou and Shinji work past their differences to save the world from Grail-Kun when?

>>117024519

Okay, thanks; I was just wondering what kind of fiction writers you'd dislike if you like Peter V. Brett. Do give >>117023324
a try if you don't mind having a tremendously flawed main character.

And yeah, most of those YA books featuring the typical run of the mill MC are pretty bad.

>>117020537
I like shinji, he's fun and raped wormslut so that makes me like him even more

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>>117024201

Kill yourself.

>>117025118
Right after Ilya route, Rider route, the Caster route, then probably Ayako route, then harem route. So around 3014

>>117025118
It would happen before an Illya route.

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>>117020537

gee, I wonder who could be behind this post

>>117024699
God I want someone to dethrone Saber. Like, I don't hate her, but I just do not understand her popularity.

>>117025118
I would totally do with this.
Seibah riding Pegasus with Ridah fuckin shit up like a bawss.

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>>117020537
All jokes aside, EVERYONE hates Shinji. Shinji is the kind of character you love to hate. He's the King Joffrey Baratheon of anime.

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Fate would have been so much better if Gilgamesh had been a girl.

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>>117025215
I can see the appeal of her, but I like rin more

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>>117025262
Rin clearly a best.

Why don't more people like Shinji?

Nasu likes him. He actually likes Shinji a lot.

Then again, he's also fond of Zouken.

>>117025327
What kind of author actually hates his characters?

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>>117025303
agreed

>>117025219
I actually found him rather sympathetic

>>117025418
>Saber Alter will never fuck you in ass with a strap on


Why even live?

>>117025477
Joffrey or Shinji?

>>117025565
Shinji

>>117025559
Didn't even realize I wanted this. God dammit anon

>>117025649
No one wants you saber go away. Your a shit tool at best.

>>117020537
Shinji is whiny and keep blaming others for his own incompetence.

>>117025718
What's this?

Shinji is literally Hitler

>>117025793
Shinji did nothing wrong.

>>117025744
Tohsaka, Emiya and SABAH

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Rin > Sakura > Saber

>>117025793
Hitler never raped anybody, though.

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>>117025689
>Not wanting that booty.
What are you gay?

>>117025952
I respect your opinion.

>>117026052
>saber
>booty
Nice try.

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>>117025718
>He goes to school in a jungle.
FUCK NIGGA THE VINES ARE GROWING INTO THE ROOM!

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>>117025952
Rin>Saber> Sakura

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Taiga > All

>>117026058

Thanks.

I've nothing against Saber, but she's too perfect for my liking.

Strongest Servant, female version of Arthur Pendragon, blonde, green eyes, stoic but soft inside.

Perfect waifu material for nipponfags.

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What's with this spell?

Todhoya? Some ancient greek shit?

How would a Shinji route ever make any sense with how Shirou is?

The only way it would be possible is if it had a completely new introduction, and Shirou was adopted by best Grampa instead of Kerry. Sakura is still there and they heir to the Matou line, but Shirou was adopted because he had circuits and could breed with Sakura.

Shinji and Shirou would have a rival relationship but still see each other as brothers.
Neither would like Sakura and Shinji would still have Rider.

>>117020537
>All he did was BE a stupid bitch
Fucking Sakura at that point had no consequence, like a hotdog thrown into a canyon.

>>117025718
>>117025763
>that one scene that happens before they cross the bridge with Tohsaka contemplating the view and Seiba being mad about the rain coat

So they DID leave that one for the bd.

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>>117026211
This nigga knows whats up

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>>117026211
Taiga a shit

>>117025718
>fedora

>>117026494
To bad she's marrying a dream.

>>117026165
Saber (9.5) > Rin (9) > Sakura (7)

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>>most of /a/ hates him

Illya is the little girl

>>117026099

>he didn't fight his way to the school through a maze of plants and trees with a machete during his school days

fucking cityfags

>>117026607
>Saber
>Anything but worst girl

>>117025718
Look upon this scene /a/ for this is you. the fendora faggot is likely a Rinfag and the one with their fist in the air is likely a Sakurafag. Saberfags will wipe them out one day because she's obviously the best and anyone with a brain can see that. I mean honestly waifufagism is so fucking stupid especially when their's a clear best girl.

>>117025718
Why the fuck is that window not closed, do you guys even into good lighting for watching shit

>>117025718
I want an Archer cardboard cutout.

>>117026266
More like Tnlbfh.

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>>117020537
Girls raped and penetrated by Shinji:
Sakura
Rider
Ayako

Girls molested by Shinji:
Rin

what a LAD.

>>117026946
Shinji fucked Sakura and it was consensual. He didn't fuck Rider or Ayako.

>>117027144
We also have no evidence they didn't have a threesome in that back ally.

>>117026675
>spoonfeeding

>>117027144
He used the a command spell to fuck rider

>>117027193
Realistically, Rider might have drained Ayako while Shinji jerked himself. He didn't use a command seal on it on there's no way Rider just went along.

>>117027193
Word of God states it was just Rider

>>117025718
>>117025763
What a bunch of losers

>>117027272
That's so fucked up

>>117027394
Shinji pls.

>>117020537
I like him. Also I don't like you OP for calling her a stupid bitch.

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>>117027144
>He didn't fuck Rider.
Keep dreaming you waifu is pure.

>>117027739
That line doesn't mean anything, "useful as a woman" can be as simple as "her only use was being good to look at".

>>117027804
>her only use was being good to look at
Remain pure anon. Don't get corrupted by this tainted world.

I'd kill myself too if Shinji was my best friend

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>>117027804
Are you also forgetting the she just gropped her butt and she did nothing when Shirou came to his house in Fate?
Come on now, based on who he is and the power he had over her the only logical end result. This shit is spelling itself out, but keep on living whatever headcanon servers you.

>>117027861
It's just as valid was what you're saying happened.
>>117027938
He groped Rider just like he assaulted Rin. Doesn't mean something actually came from it.

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>>117027804
Shinji is literally rubbing Rider's ass when they're first introduced together and saying he had a bit of trouble "training" her to obey orders.

>>117020537
Most of /a/ sees Shinji and they see themselves.

/a/ hates itself so they have no choice but to hate Shinji.

>>117027804
>her only use was being good to look at
Oh god you are so cute

>>117028007
Textbook case of denial. You're a cuck in the making.

>>117028007
>He groped Rider just like he assaulted Rin
Except no one stopped him.

>>117028007


Well we can definitely tell you're a Riderfag

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>>117028007
>Shinji is an asshole and rapes/fucks whatever she can find.
>Has complete control over one of the most beatiful women in the HGW (even by Rin's words).
>Gropes her butt in front of others and she does nothing.
>Says he had to "train" her to follow orders.
>Says shit like >>117027739.
>Somehow he didn't fuck her.

Nigga you are either baiting or have somehow warped your perception of reality so badly that you are believing the most unlikely of shit.

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>>117028190
>Implying
Lancer saved the purity of Rin, Raider and Ayako.

>>117024749
>>117021137
I recall in the episode they said something about her not having any physical trauma or anything (probably implying that she just had her mana or whatever sucked out)

As for the VN I honestly forget what happened to her, or even if they went into detail about it, I kinda thought this part was anime original but its been a while

>>117026607
You rate all three far too high
Saber: 6/10
>implying King Arthur would fall in love with a Japanese teenager in two weeks
>dfc
>stoic
>otaku-bait
>has an ideal dumber than Shirou's
>royalty
>relevant in two routes

Rin: 8/10
>Generic tsundere down to the twintails
>has a reason to be tsundere in that she tries to fit the mold of a mage
>best butt Tohsaka's anus
>can cook
>best chemistry with Shirou
>comes from a well respected family of mages
>relevant across all three routes

Sakura: 6/10
>Largest bust, while nice now, are awfully large for her age and will sag very early
>can cook
>SENPAI SENPAI SENPAI
>needs frequent dicking
>needs love
>needs kind words
>kind with a calm demeanor
>emits an aphrodisiac of sorts during sex that reminds Shirou of a carnivorous plant
>took care of Shirou while he was sick
>is a mass murderer
>worms
>because she is a grail, Illya gets to live in HF
>older brother is a dick
>grandpa is a dick
>worms that fill her are dicks
>father is a failure
>only relevant in HF

>>117028287
He watched and masterbated in the shadows.

>>117028126

>cuck

Really? It's spread here now too?

>>117027804
>her only use was being good to look at
Go to bed, Shirou
purer than any waifu

>>117022904
>and Rider wouldnt obey a sex order. Before you bitch about it no, command seals dont work that way.
Rider attitude is "anything for my master", and im pretty sure when she gets bopped in UBW Shinji mutters something or starts complaining about her only being useful as a woman or something. The only thing I can think this would imply would be that he fucked her a lot or at some point

I would go back and find the text but I don't have a save,

>>117028464
This is a half the board faps to ntr

>>117020944
>WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA?
I smile every time.

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>>117028425
>because she is a grail, Illya gets to live in HF
wut

>>117028558
Illya doesn't die in HF
She dies in UBW
She almost dies in Fate

The problem with not giving any subtlety to your villains is that it takes away any surprise or doubt from the plot. When Shinji claimed that he wasn’t responsible for Rider attacking that student, I laughed. Yeah, of course Mr. One-dimensional asshole didn’t hurt anyone! He’s completely harmless! I’ve mentioned before that one-dimensional villains don’t work as characters, and they work equally poorly as plot devices. You know it’s a bad idea for Shirou to ally with him (even Shirou knew that much), and you know he’s gonna do something awful with his bounded field. There’s no unpredictability. There’s no excitement. There’s just Shinji trying to earn street credit with his friends in the society of sociopaths.

Caster was a similarly poor villain. I know from watching the old FSN that she wants the grail. I also know that her master’s not evil. So why make her come off as such an asshole? Why make her tell Shirou that she enjoys it when she struggles? Can we not side with Shirou if the people he’s opposing might have okay reasons to get the grail? But hey, Caster did provide a thought-provoking moment in this conversation. When she needlessly explained her tactics to Shirou, it made me think about why I was watching this and not a Saturday morning cartoon.

And just a quick question: What’s the point of establishing that Caster made a bounded field if both Saber and Archer aren’t going to have any trouble getting through? It seemed like a wasted plot point to me.

Why are people hellbent on believing he's a nice guy?

He's a fucking insane rapist teen who has total control over easily the most hottest woman in the HGW.He even says she 'was only good as a woman' and that he had to 'train her'.

What, do you think he meant fucking cooking and cleaning dishes and that training meant he took her to train to a cooking college or something?

He's a fucking asshole.Shirou should have killed him when he had a chance, every route.

>>117027938
Where's that scene from? HF?

>>117028617
>Illya doesn't die in HF
Did you even true ending?

>>117028696
>http://moecharacter.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/fatestay-night-limited-blade-works-episode-6/
Why do you do this

What do you gain from this

>>117028617
>Illya doesn't die in HF
She kills herself in the True end to close the gate and save Shirou.

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>>117028748
Take a wild guess.

>>117028696

>What’s the point of establishing that Caster made a bounded field if both Saber and Archer aren’t going to have any trouble getting through? It seemed like a wasted plot point to me.

They'll probably explain it in the next episode, but the field wasn't to stop servants getting in, it was to force them to go through the main entrance, where Assassin was waiting with MUH STEPS

>>117028425
When you put it that way, and on further analysis, huh, sounds like Saber is the worst character with the least development as a person.

Come to think about it, isnt King Arthur like 40 years old by the time he dies? Even if she has the body of a 15 year old girl, she's like 40! How the fuck did she fall for some fucking kid?

>>117028777
Every week I try to find the most retarded secondary review I can and post it in the threads, to get people angry

>>117028617
She dies both in HF and Fate because her body wasn't made to live past the war. That's why Shirou turned into a hero: he thought that she died because he lacked power.

>>117028758
Her death had little to do with her being a grail and was instead because of Shirou's broken body. The point was Sakura becoming a grail meant Illya didn't get crucified or see Dr. Gil

>>117028822
She was the king for 10 yrs in the nasuverse, so she would be 25

>>117028880
In ten years you couldnt have united all of Brittain. Not possible.

2-3 decades of constant war and clever alliances through marriage?

Sure.

But ten years?

No fucking way.

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>>117028822
>implying Shirou isn't a top-tier male

>>117028822
She never had any time to act like a normal human being when she was king, she didn't get any romance before.

>>117028822
>sounds like Saber is the worst character with the least development as a person.
Her development is fine. She basically shows a more human side that she repressed, becomes a little girl, finds love, copes with her inferiority complex, and manages to move on from her failures.

It's just that Rin is basically a secondary protagonist and gets huge amounts of development in all routes and wormslut has 0 personality, so any development in HF is seen as a lot.

>>117028862
You was wrong, accept it. Don't pull shit out of your ass.

>>117028939
He certainly looks the part.

>>117028758
>>117028786
>>117028857
It's been a while, I can't remember every detail about every end
>>117028954
You can at least see what I was getting at.

>>117028933
It's Nasu fault not mine.

>>117028933

Bear in mind she can shoot lasers from her sword. It would've only taken as long to unite Britain as long as the time it took the word to spread.

>LOOK AT THIS SHIT PEASANTS, MAGIC SWORD OF LIGHT, GOD'S CHOSEN ALL UP IN THIS BITCH, COME DIE FOR ME

>>117028933
Did you play too much Crusader Kings?

>>117028996
You should ashamed of yourself for forgetting Illya's sacrifice. That's like forgetting Shirou is the red man.

>>117029041
Hiashi, please

>>117029041
Yes. How did you fucking know?

She fucking wouldnt be able to do it, even if she had "Unite England" as a re-usable Casus Belli.

Even if she had massive fucking stats, she's ONE woman.

How did you know, man?

>>117028939

>Shirou_tries_to_copy_Gilgamesh_style.jpg

>>117029027
It's implied that it's nothing special though, seeing as every notable knight of hers had an NP and the barbarians probably had some as well.

>>117028984
Shirou would be a GOAT husband.

-Huge dick
-A+ cooking
-Has a reality marble
-Will protect you with his life
-Is pretty well off financially

I'd tap that too.

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>>117029053
I haven't read HF since 2009I just finished re-reading UBW yesterdayDr. Gil was still fresh in my mindI'm not even an Illyafag but fuck Gil

>>117029027
It's nothing special. Everyone and their brother had special weapons and shit back then. Lancelot had a fucking copy of excalibur.

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>>117029146
Truly, Shirou is best girl.

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>>117029139
>Excalibur
>nothing special
Nigga I don't think you understand

>>117029146
And he is friend a protege of the Yakuza boss of his town

>>117029217
Everyone and their mom had a special artifact.

So that guy claims to be the rightful king of england?Because some random watery tart made some farsical aquatic ceremony?

>>117029321
It's the Sword of Promised Victory you silly peasant, they call it that for a reason

>>117023773
>that one
It's everyone.

Arthur was a shit king and leader.
His kingdom fell apart pretty fucking fast and he hardly gained any land during his time.

>>117029321
I hate saber too she was a waste of a tomboy and should have been a reverse trap.

>>117029129
It's because you tried to sound like an expert on medieval politics. And you're missing the part where she could annihilate armies with one swing of a sword.

>>117029321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY

>>117026607
Takeuchi pls

>>117029146
I'd fuck Shirou if I was a girl.
No homo.

>>117029217
NPs were a dime a dozen back then. Excalibur may be a notch above most of them, but it wouldn't mean peope would go
>HOLY SHIT THIS GODDESS IS OUR QUEEN

>>117029449
>tomboy
Saber is very girly

>>117029452
Like I said, everyone had an NP.
You can be damn sure the invaders and barbarians had their own NPs to match Excaliblasts.

It's probably like /co/'s shitty comics where Captain America and his band of heroes were actually up against Evil Super Villains, so it all cancels out.

>>117029488
But she has a dick.

>>117029488
That is the damn problem she is supposed to have acted as a man for ten odd years.

>>117029371
Listen, strange women, lying in ponds ,distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government.

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>>117029146
He also forgot to mention that he is dead inside and crazier than a bag of beans.

>>117029529
I'm pretty sure "everyone" did not have an NP, certainly not something on the same level as Excalibur. I don't know why you would assume that.

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>>117029146

Fuck that, Kirei is the best.

>Owns his own church
>Only eats ultra spicy food (the only place where the greatest flavours in the world can be found)
>Infinite wine
>Hang out with Gil, going around telling random teenage girls to kill themselves
>Will offer you bizarre, uninterpretable advice that will nevertheless always prove its incredible foresight, relevance and wisdom to your true needs within a couple of days
>Can throw three Black Keys into separate dartboard bulls-eyes at the same time mid-leap as a party trick

>>117029475
>implying Takeuchi wouldn't give her a 10

>>117029371
You cant expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.

>>117029616
Why are type-moon males always so much better than the girls?

>>117029560
>>117029654
I cannot think of a single better system of government than a laser-sword-ocracy. Y'all just jelly you don't have the laser swords.

>>117029529
>You can be damn sure the invaders and barbarians had their own NPs to match Excaliblasts.

Fucking what.

>>117029688
Laser-sword-ocracy?

That sounds violent!
Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!

>>117029545
She hid her gender, she didn't pretend to be a man. The whole point was that as long as she was a good ruler, no one would notice or care what her gender actually was.

>>117029794
Well, she failed, didnt she? Her kingdom collapsed into shit.

See why supreme executive power is derived from the will of the masses, not because some fucking sword was given to you?

Iskander didnt have any problem leading his men.

>>117029851
That's because Iskander wasn't a woman.

>>117029851
>Iskandar didn't have any problems leading his men
Yeah, but his country wasn't too well off. All he cared about was going to the ocean. Then he finds himself on an island 2000 years later and doesn't even see the ocean. Instead he goes around calling himself king of conquerors when he didn't take over nearly as much as Ghengis Khan. 3/10 still better than Saber

>>117029851
Too bad Iskandar's men started killing each other the moment he died.

>>117029791
>Laser-sword-ocracy?
Photospathocracy. Sounds nifty.

>>117029851
Her kingdom collapsed because she was such a perfect ruler that people started to doubt her. Remember that Saber fought constantly and never lost, and she did everything to take on all of the kingdom's problems by herself. She was initially praised for her strength but after a while they didn't want to be ruled by someone who threw away their emotions and didn't seem human.

>>117029665
Because damaged girls that get the crazy fucked out of them is hot.

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>>117029981
We all know who the true 10/10 king is.

>>117029851

Oh yeah, Iskander got the power through a well organised and fair voting process, being the son of Zeus and having unlimited power with two Divine Bulls pulling his chariot.

>>117029981

His country was a shit-poor suburb of greece. it certainly wasn't any worse off given that his campaigns made it so they weren't getting whacked by hellenic mercenaries for sport every two weeks.

anyway, Alexander's empire divided into three areas, macedonia, egypt and persia, when he died, and all of those kingdoms were at least functional for several generations afterwards. Given that nobody expected him to die when he did, they could have done significantly worse.

>>117029586
It's a hyperbole you faggot. NPs were more plentiful back then.

>>117029700
During WW2, Captain America led some super heroes and soldiers against the Axis. Naturally, this makes no sense since the Allied should've won the war easily. The answer to this was to make a counterpart band of super villains to fight them, effectively canceling out the effects of both side's heroes.

Go to sleep, Enkidu

>>117029851
Saber actually managed her kingdom very well. The whole
>Emotional distance
thing was basically bullshit spouted by her critics anyways. Saber did everything she could to hold her kingdom together, but it was a cesspool of shit seeing constant invasion, war and strife, and political backstabbing that one person alone could not manage. People used her sacrifices as an excuse to call her a bad ruler, but even Merlin reaffirmed that she did nothing wrong.

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>>117030083

>This king is perfect in every way
>Wins territory, never loses a battle, protects all our citizens, is extremely knowledgeable in all areas of government, was chosen by God as rightful king, never ages, and wields immense power but will never become corrupt and will only use it to help our nation
>BUT A BLOO BLOO BLOO HE WALKED RIGHT PAST ME WHEN I TRIED TO HAND HIM THE PRESSED FLOWER I MADE JUST FOR MY SENPAI, BETTER DESTROY EVERYTHING HE EVER WORKED FOR BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE EMOTIONS, HE'S JUST TOO GOOD AT HIS JOB!

Fucking round table.

>>117030227
Let me explain what you're doing right now

>Saber won easily because she had multiple unbeatable weapons
>Yeah but then she would've won too easily, Nasu probably gave her opponents superweapons to fight back
>Wait, if her opponents had superweapons too then why did she win so easily? shit doesn't make sense

>>117030337
There's going going to be assholes out to take you down by pointing out every little flaw you have, whether justified or not. A large part of the discontent, at least according to Nasu, was that Saber was unable to win without sacrifices. She had to sacrifice territory, farmland, and people to win bigger battles and keep the country stabilized. Of course, the citizenry being retarded, they cried that she could not save everyone and decried her as a cold King unable to save her kingdom.

In a way, Saber's past heavily mirrors Shirou/Archer's struggles, which is why it was only natural that they fell in love and found peace in each other.

What could be called a modern NP?
That is, modern weapons that could be classified as NP.
It's kind of hard to find magical swords nowadays.

>>117030466
There aren't any, that's the point.

>>117030406
Not sure what you're arguing about, but I'm saying Saber couldn't win easily and it showed. It is fact that she lost and sacrificed territory and her wars weren't curbstomps.

>>117030466
There aren't any

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>>117030466

Well, not a noble phantasm, but a hero...

Notice how he immediately recognises the POTUS as his greatest enemy on sight, has a great interest in bombers, and insists on being known as Iskander, rather than Alexander The Great

>>117030521
>>117030496

I thought the whole reason that there couldn't be any modern Heroic Spirits was because, in the age of technological warfare, the victories and recognition required to become such would be attributed to the weapon rather than the individual? So wouldn't those conditions make them a NP if their legend was great enough?

>>117030672
Weapons are mass-produced though, there aren't any unique "the one and only" weapons.

>>117030134
Go away, Enkidu

>>117030576
Well, "Alexander" is even more foreign to him than Iskander, so that part doesn't mean much.

>>117030672
EMIYA and Li Shuwen both have NP's through their own skills and they're both modern.

>>117020537
I only dislike him because he fucked Rider.

>>117030725

Custom made guns and stuff are a thing, y'know? I know we don't have any 'famous' guns nowadays in real life (unless you count shit like the rifle that shot JFK or whatever) but imagine something like that comes about, and is maybe used for incredible deeds over and over in the public eye, such that the particular weapon becomes public knowledge. That wouldn't count?

>>117030796
EMIYA's NP is a reality marble, which isn't a weapon that is forged. Also his NP is essentially mass production.

>>117030879
If it accomplished deeds on the same level as heroes of the past and people believed in it as such, sure. There's no theoretical reason such a thing can't happen, it just doesn't because of the circumstances of our time.

>>117029136
Well he is a faker.

I need a Gill route, where he takes Shirou under his wing, and makes him a real man.

>>117028371
It was always left ambiguous, but this is fucking Shinji we are talking about. You know he did something lewd to her.

>>117031004

>Shirou projecting Gil's archery skills with Gate of Babylon Blade Works while using Unlimited Blade Works at the same time

>>117030725
>there aren't any unique "the one and only" weapons.
Something like Kiritsugu's pistol wouldn't even work because it's the bullets themselves that are one of a kind.

>>117031136
More like 66 of a kind

>>117025763
>There's actually someone wearing a fedora.

And here I thought you americans made that shit up.

>>117030672
It's just bullshit by Nasu. Warfare and combat changes with the times.

Before, you had to be a master of the blade to win a fight against your enemies. But in the modern age, being a master of the blade means nothing against someone who can shoot a bullet at you from miles away. In fact, mastering a modern firearm and being able to survive through numerous engagements can be said to be a hallmark of a hero as well, which is the entire basis for the recognition system in modern military.

Mastering a gun in modern combat is conceptually no different from mastering a weapon in the medieval ages.

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Kohaku = raped thousands of times, didn`t even understand sex was supposed to be a source of pleasure, viewed it only as a tool for her synchronizer abilities, blushed when Shiki made actual love to her, funny, cheerful and genki personality, master strategist; despite her vengeance, never blamed anyone for her problems, couldn`t even bring herself to hate Makihisa

Fujino = raped hundreds of times never felt pain or any pleasure/stimulation whatsoever, indifferent to sex

Sakura = raped thousands of times, LOVED the cock, horny several times throughout the story, Shinji himself comments on how horny she'd get for anyone's cock, loose as a cannon, clingy, possessive and self-pitying, won't stand up for herself but blames everyone for her problems, enjoyed herself thoroughly killing hundreds if not thousands of innocents in Fuyuki, brings out the worst in Shirou, refused to kill herself even though that`d easily stop the destruction of the world and her beloved Shirou`s death

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>dick status: muh

>>117031353
Enjoy Shinji's cum covering your dick.

>>117031314
Sakura is the worst.

>>117031314
>despite her vengeance, never blamed anyone for her problems,

I don't think you understand what Vengeance is.

>>117031314
>>117031497
Sure thing, bro.

>>117028249
Shinji did not fuck rider. If he did, then she wouldn't need to resort to attacking civilians for mana restoration. Rider didn't even put up a fight against saber in HF, Why? Because she wasn't getting any mana from Shinji.

>>117026266
Closest I can get is TηΓηφε. Which means nothing. NASU IS A HACK.

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>>117032052
But Shinji can't give mana you secondary retard because he has none, he has no Magic Circuits he is not a magus.

God : I hope the new Fate Extra game Nasu is making has both Mordred and Galahad.

Because with how Apocrypha has established her character, she must absolutely loathe Galahad as her antithesis.

>>117031353
>dick status: muh
I'm going to have to hunch over after this.

>>117029560
Merlin is arthur's backer. Just think of that.

>>117032103
Divine Words are from the Age of Gods, we can't pronounce them.

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>>117032195
>two inferior knights

Nasu wants the game to sell, not to go bankrupt.

>>117032195
Nasu is done with Fate for now.

>>117032052
Shinji's semen isn't worth shit, he has no magic circuits, he can't transfer mana that way. Or at all, in any way. Hence why she needs to attack people.

>>117032265
>inferior kniwghts
So, what's the deal with Galahad in Nasuverse? Isn't he basically the ultimate, ideal, perfect knight in the source material?

>>117032288
Nope. He's working on Grand Order, and he's interested in going back to Extra.

>>117032288
>believing Nasu's lies

>>117020537
He's the hero /a/ deserves

>>117032337
>>117032374
Neat

>>117032265
Go to bed, Gawain

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>>117032318
Nope, not in another universe

Sir Gawain was the ultimate, ideal, perfect knight and also the strongest

>>117029560
Get your athruian lore straight you peasant.

Caliburn wasn't given to him by the lady of the lake. He pulled it from the stone. Caliburn granted him the right to rule. Excalbiur was just a sword he got to replace it when he broke from that aquatic bimbo.

>>117032318
He's only had a passing mention of his death in Fate.

But Galahad is basically a bastard son of Lancelot that was raised in a Nunnery. One day he shows up in Camelot and Arturia takes him to another sword in the stone that says "Whoever yacks this shit out will be ideal knight" Galahad yanks that shit out and then proceeds to go Grail hunting where he's the actual knight to grab it.

Where as Mordred fails to live up to her Father and damns him, Galahad basically surpasses Lancelot.

Also Mordred's wish to prove she deserves to be king is "Yank Caliburn from the stone"

Galahad basically being picked by her daddy to yank a sword from the stone probably really pisses her off

>>117032265
Quiet Gawain. It's past your bed time.

>>117029529
Maybe they did, but the knights' NPs were far more superior. They came from the fucking fairies.
They were the ones that brought ruin upon their selves.

>>117032318
he acquired the grail
he wished for treasures so camelot won't be poor again
grail gave him treasures
but camelot is destroyed
he dies filthy rich

Where i can watch fate apocrypha?

>>117032626
On yer telly.

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>>117032626
>watching an LN
>asking to be spoonfed
>streaming

>>117032626
Use the 2nd Magic.

>>117032476
>he's a knight
>at the round table
>in Britain
>he does it for free
>he takes his knighthood very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life
>he he shitposts in fate threads because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack
>he he shitposts in fate threads because they interfere with the grail wars he has to lose
>he will never be a good knight
>he will never move out of his king's castle
>he will never beat any of the knights at the round table
>he will never know how to cook as well as shirou
>he will never have a girlfriend
>he will never have any friends

I don't give a fuck about the way he treats Sakura. This piece of shit must die for the way he treats Rider.

>>117034281
He's the Master, she's the Servant. That's how it goes.