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Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?
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>>116910182
You know the term, "jump the shark?"
Nui was the shark
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Creators known for much bigger works trying to trump them with an even bigger work, which failed because they shoehorned the plot in with meaningless garbage that then falls flat on it's face right at the end.

I'd say the whole show was good up until Ryuko running away, coming back, then being mindfucked by her mom.
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>>116910182
bad writing. Followed by even worse writing.
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>>116910182
It was full of shit including the fanbase
>>>/v/
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I enjoyed it.
If you're looking for well written stuff i don't think anime is for you.
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>>116910391
What does /v/ have to do with this at all?
/v/ hates this show. Doing that shit puts you on the same level as "ironic" shitposters and people who overuse buzzwords such as edgy
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>>116910391
Fuck off.
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>>116910182
But it was all good.
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>>116910182

They had to start really winging it shortly after Nui showed up. I get the feeling they couldn't make the show long enough to do any of the shit they actually wanted.
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>>116910182
It was good the whole way through. Fanboys only didn't like the second half because it didn't match up with their headcanon.
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>>116910615
It's more that the tone shifts in a bad way. It stops being funny and sucks at being serious.
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It's the other way around, OP.

First half was shit.
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There was a serious lack of Takarada.
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>>116910182
I wouldn't say it was shit, but it wasn't in line with what the first half of the show was, which was humor and action, so it really throws you.
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>>116910445
No need to be defensive /v/.

Here let me help guide you back.
>>>/v/
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>>116910182
The whole show was shit.

>>>/co/
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cancer please leave
>>>/sci/
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I thought the second half was great, all of the former enemies coming together to fight Ragyou was TTGL levels of "fuck yeah," which is basically all the show was about. If you enjoyed it for what it was I think you'd have to like the second half.
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It was fine as ol' good villain of the week school fighting. The whole aliens thing is where things went wrong.
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Can we all at least agree OP2>ED1>OP1>ED2?
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No no, you're wrong, it saved anime
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>>116910182

>Why was the first episode of Kill La Kill so good and the rest so shit?

Fixed that for you OP.
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I think they did a good job.

The first half was kind of like a regular chinese cartoon show and culminated in the 4 neck-to-neck boss fights, quite a good structure in my opinion.

The second half was a complete change of pace with all going to shit, the world ending, questions being answered, women's fashion and all sorts of other crap, but they kept it engaging and interesting up to the logical conclusion.

Basically TTGL formula tho, so not that surprising.
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It was insandely awesome the entire way through.
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>>116910182
It was all shit and it's no longer airing, so you need to go.
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>>116910349
It started sucking with the school trip.
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>>116910182
Everything was shit besides the first episode.
>That gamagori
>That scene where they block the blood

I wanted to like it, I really did.
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>>116911690
when are they going to leak the designs for precure 2015
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the first episode was good, anything beyond that was shit
you can find better animation even on newgrounds
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>>116910182
No traps
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>>116910182
Trigger discarded the second cour they had originally planned and went for full Imaishi bullshit route. Incidentally, that started with Nui
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>>116910182

That pointless battling schools arc and that god awful exposition episode; CLOTHING IS ALIENS!

It was just trying to repeat TTGL's anti-spiral arc and it failed miserably. But the shit actuall began when Nui came down.
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Best episodes were 4 and 7.
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It stopped being meta and also the plot was all over the place.
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>>116912412
The /fit/izen in me judged her for having no trapezius after reading that comment.

Then I remembered where I am
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Definitely could have had more impact with 13 episodes only.
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>>116910182

Second half didn't have the mystery factor that part one did. As soon as we knew who killed Ryuko's father it was pretty much over.
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>>116910182
First half was better anime but second half was better hype and therefore better entertainment
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>>116913445
/v/ pls go
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>>116910249

You know the term, "jump off a cliff?"
You should do it.
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>>116911238
Pretty much this. I can't believe some people thought Ryoko's club-crashing and yelling uselessly at Satsuki was somehow more interesting than what came after.

Someone said "well at least there was some mystery before they revealed who her father's killer was" but that's fucking bullshit because everything before that was just filler and character introductions. Only after the reveal did they really start developing the plot.
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>>116910182

Hey, Faggot how are you doing?

Instead of making asking bait questions for people to hate on the show why not mention what you didn't like about the second half that's how discussions work you little kid.
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>>116910182
They didn't know what they were doing during the second half. I'm not just parroting this, someone on the staff admitted to it and it's actually a legitimate reason for the show bombing in its second cour. Time and time again, more often than not, when a writer or wriTERS finds himself outpacing his plan and doesn't bother to draw up a new, concrete one so that he (and/or his colleagues) knows which direction to go in, his work starts to lose its flavor from trying to accomplish something vague and undefined.

And in MOST cases like those, the creator(s) is left with the desire to just fucking finish his work already and move on to something else, that they hope to not fuck up.
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Hakodate voice is pure sex.
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>>116914208
I'm still waiting on the next LOLSORANDUM evil for the sake of being evil character to show up so Nuifags drop her like the sack of shit she is.
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>>116910182
It tried to hard to be over the top like TTGL.
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>>116914418

What are you even talking about?

>They didn't know what they were doing during the second half.

>I'm not just parroting this, someone on the staff admitted to it and it's actually a legitimate reason for the show bombing in its second cour.

Your complete full of shit Kill la Kill was already written before it was animated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKplV9HR5QE

your're completely full of shit.
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>>116914599
That post didn't imply they were making shit up on the spot, it means they didn't know where the hell to go. Just because something is already written doesn't mean it was well thought out all the way through.

Calm down.
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>>116910182
It was all shit though.
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>>116914654

I'm not sure what your getting by calming something is wrong with the right in the it complete accomplished what it set out to do.

Why don't you offer some examples of this so called bad writing instead of making blanket statements
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>>116914599
>Kill la Kill was already written before it was animated

That's even more embarrassing.

Like did no one bother to check the script and say "This plot is fucking retarded and makes no sense"?

What, did they just slog it out and go with the first draft?
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>>116914794

>"This plot is fucking retarded and makes no sense"?

So you have no idea what your talking about. look up the definition of "plot" and then tell me were the plot falters
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>>116914794
Actually no, the first few episode scripts were torn up right in front of the writer by his pal. Said he couldn't wear sailor fuku with a script like that(I'm not shitting you).

But, after the initial proposal got the greenlight, I don't think the second half of the series was as carefully examined as the first half's scripts.

>>116914764
You need to take your time posting. I assume you're on mobile, but for one, you're misplacing your words and the sentence is getting FUCKED up. If you can do that, then we can keep talking.
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Episode 3 was easily the best.

That Satsuki-sama.
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>>116912876
They didn't discard any second cour originally planned. If anything got discarded it was long before the second cour came along.
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>>116910182

Kill la Kill was weird no one died everyone was cartoonistly immortal almost. I think Akame ga Kill dose what this show tried to much better

If it had a serious sense of mortality like TTGL I'd like it more...maybe
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idiots doesn't understand half of the words they use to criticize klk

not saying it's perfect but jesus fuck some of you fail at communication
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>>116915120
>Akame ga Kill

what.
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>>116914926

There is nothing wrong with the writing how did the writing hinder the show? provide an exmaple
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The average KLK fan is Rei Hiroe, creator of Black Lagoon.

>>116915120
Meanwhile, THIS is the average KLK hater.

In which side do you want to stand, /a/?
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>>116914931
Episode 5 was the best.

>Fantastic Art
>Senketsu breakout episode
>Only time Tsumugu was ever cool
>Ryukko at max delciousness
>Focus on best Devas
>Mako playing her part while being cool instead of a spaz
>No boring ass Satsuki drama
>Fantastic art
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>>116910182
not sure if troll
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Kill la Kill haters are blatantly retarded it's cute to watch them get worked up about an action comedy show they don't get that they are the butt of the joke.
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Why is Ryuuko so cute?
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sadsda
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>>116914926
what a dick
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>>116910182

why is mako so best
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>>116910182
Because it went from being a parody of many of the tropes of that commonly appear in battle shonen to relying heavily on them.
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The first 3 episodes were good. Wasted potential.
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KLK was always shit.
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>>116910349
This, I know a lot didn't like it but I enjoyed the pacing up until the invasion of the other schools. I think the creator knew what he wanted out of the show but might have been forced to cut the show early due to budget problems.
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>>116910182
>Kill la Kill
>good
Pick one, fagget.
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>>116915538
Smile, way, voice, fluffy hair, eyes, blood, feminine curves, Senketsu, etc.
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>>116915888

What anime was it parodying?
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>>116916138
I wish there was a figma of her in her school uniform.
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>>116910182
>Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?
Because Nui was not the big bad. Anime should have stayed nonsense with Nui defeated in the end.
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>>116914931
Satsuki-sama is the best.
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>>116914505
You just watch

Long after KLK has been forgotten Nuifriends will still be here

Long after all of anime is forgotten Nuifriends will still be here

Long after the earth is destroyed by the sun Nuifriends will still be here

Even long after the heat death of the universe Nuifriends will still be here

Because Nui is love, Nui is life, Nui is eternal
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>>116916797
Keep loving your sack of shit with no character, anon.
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>>116916797
I want to brutally rape Nui!
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>>116916797
Even though quality did decrease as the show went on, the writers did an amazing job at making you want Nui and discomilf to die to badly. One of my favourite scenes is her getting "killed" before she combines or whatever the fuck she did with the life fibre.
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>>116916889
That would probably end about as well for you as trying to rape a tiger
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Pros:

-Appealing character designs
-Nice OST
-Nice art direction.
-No romance (despite what shippers say).
-Cast is composed of a set of characters with defined personalities and motivations.

Cons:

-Messy direction

-A lot of the characterization and background of the cast was pushed on to perpherial media like Drama CD and short novels, same with plot points that were introduced as highly relevant in the show, that turned out to be a that big of a deal or just simply ignored and swept on to the rug

-Animation left a lot to be desired, even though the QUALITY was apparently corrected in the BDs

-Disorganization in the production

-Lack of instrospection of the characters


Personally, I just feel Studio Trigger was not ready to produce an studio original show this early. It's normal that shows like this take some years in planning/pre-production, but it feels the lack or organization, like they didn't know how to distribute the budget and on how the story seemed to lack a proper structure after the introduction of Nagita.

Don't get me wrong, it was fun but...
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>>116916889
Nui is love.
Nui is life.
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>>116912317
Draw them yourself :)
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>shit la shit first half
>good
ayy
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>>116917818
Right? It didn't get good till ep11
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the characters were really good.i don't think i actually hate any of them
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>>116918044
I'd give Nui a back rub
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>>116918613
Who wouldn't?
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>>116910182
the story tried to go from an action comedy to somewhat serious without laying the foundation for doing so. We literally went from school election fights to fighting ALIENS without proper progression. And then you had the incredibly awkward Junketsu arc which Ryuuko loses all the character development she had for the last 20 episodes and gets it back anyway.
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>>116910182
>Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?

Scaling was broken.
In the beginning there was improvement and ryuko got better at first, overcoming several impossible odds and then nothing, plateu.


Gurren lagann was good because it snowballed constantly, they always took it to the next level.

Films like Limitless also use a similar snowball concept and it only works if you keep pushing it to a glorious conclusions, it's like masturbating, you don't want to stop prematurely.
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>>116919109
I wouldn't.

I'd rather give Ryuuko a belly rub.
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>>116920422
Well then you're wrong
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>>116910715
This. That scene in the first episode with Gamagori laughing like a madman as he falls alongside the kid running down the stairs had a really game-y or Panty & Stocking feel to me.

The show lost that somewhere and just became another anime.
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it peaked so hard w/ episode 12. nothing else in the series even came close in level of of hype in that ep. It was just all downhill from there. I still enjoyed it as a whole though.
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>>116920422
You're a good man.
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>>116910182
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>>116917068
Mako ruined a lot of scenes with her stupid gag Full-MetalAlchemist did this shit and it was never funny. She was my fav for a while but then it just got ridiculous.
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I watched this show last week expecting it to be shit, but I really enjoyed it. I feel like the mix of casualfags and high expectations ruined it for /a/.

Taken as a parody for TTGL its pretty good, my biggest complaint being the character development and the high number of ass-pulls per episode
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>>116916797
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>>116916046
I pick both
and say that your taste is shit
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>>116917818
>ayy
>>>/reddit/
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>>116910182
it was the most fun time on /a/ when this show aired, it was fun and hype all the way through. The usual tsundere behaviour of /a/ for shows that are popular outside of this board should not be taken seriously but with a laugh
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It tried to be Gurren Lagann when nothing is ever going to be Gurren Lagann again. That kind of show needs a massive budget which original anime rarely get. KLK is what happens when you try to make a big budget concept with a low budget.
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>>116921013
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It's a show that's extremely easy to criticize and pick on.
A whipping boy, if you will.
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>>116915385
Yeah, 5 was definitely a highlight.
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>>116915385
Episode 5 was the best, and it basically introduced Nudist Beach as a force in the series.
The second half of the show basically made them completely into a joke.
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>>116924798
God, mohawk was so cool in 5, 11, and 12 and then a total joke for the rest. Like when sexysensei tells him to get the fuck out, and he gets the fuck out. None of that "no i gotta die and be hero" shit, he's just like "yep, you're right".
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Oh man, the first few episodes had pretty great antics.

And then makos hallelujahs turned crap.
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>>116915232
Against the Nigger Lagoon, of course.
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>>116910182
I stand firm on my opinion that it should have been a one cour series. What would be even better is if it was a movie so they could focus all the budget into it. Adapt episodes 1-3 with some details from later parts tossed in, have Satsuki as the murderer, and in the final fight Ryuuko decapitates her and that's that.
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>>116910182
why didnt they use the bullet?
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>>116916797
Thats a long way of saying you have shit taste
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>>116910182
The first half was MOTW shit. Second half was better.
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>>116926143
Hey man, fuck you Nui tastes like strawberries
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>>116910182

I'm sure someone has said this already, but

The HYPE died off.
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More like, "Why were the first 4 episodes so good?".
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as if i care about haters
as if i care about /a/ opinion
as if i care about silliness, non-plot, ass-pull

It is was an hell of a ride, a mix of non sense, ass-pull, alleluja moments, plot-pretending and fanservice.

And i need to heard it was shit from Moe lover, who actualy bitching about who was the loliest loli in this fuking loli lolliest world?


i rly like alleluja moments
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>>116926946
Get a load of this fag
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>you'll never squat with Ryuuko
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>>116916797
KLK will never be forgotten.
Harry Potter will never be forgotten.
Homestuck will never be forgotten.
It relied so strongly on edgy character death and drama the world will never disassociate it from the angsty teenagers and Tumblr fanatics that eat that shit up and clang to it en masse while it aired. The same argument comes up with favorite Wizards and Ponies and Alternain Troll Castes in that the world will eventually stop complaining once it forgets. This will plainly never happen. People still whinge about Death Note. Posting Naruto still makes people uneasy after ten years. What makes you think KLK is any different? You guys will be shunned forever.
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>>116910182
1./u/ undertones increased.
2./u/ flooded threads, effectively killing discussion.
3.Constantly bothered by /u/ undertones whenever they appear.
4.Electric shamisen wasn't frequent enough to save it.

Summary: It's shit.
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>>116927292
10 sure, but it doesn't have the kind of fanbase to stick around for 50
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>>116927292
>that tattoo
He'll have to cut off the whole arm to escape the shame 10 years from now.
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>>116927044
What are you, some kind of no-goodnik?
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>>116911105
ED2>*
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>>116927531
First ED was godly. I barely remember the second.
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>>116910182
Why was the first part of Bleach so good but it turned to shit after they left Karakura Town? It's the same thing.

When there's still that mystery, they're doing "show, not tell" worldbuilding, and all that's happening is going around fighting and working up, a show is fun.

When the worldbuilding turns into infodumps, the parameters of the world are pinned down, and everything is driven by a bullshit "plot", it turns to shit.

>tfw Rukia and Ichigo will never be how they were together in the first arc
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>>116910182
It seemed like they wrote two different shows, both of which were comedies, and bridged them with shitty drama. The second half was saved from pretentious bullshit by Mako, Gama, and our glorious dosh king, rendering the primary characters that we had been expected to follow comparatively uninteresting.
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>>116920514
I think it's the point where they reveal that life fibers are aliens. The show starts trying to give sci-fi justifications for everything that's going on, even though everything up to then suggested that it wasn't a show that needed to justify anything.
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>>116920514
>game-y
Do you mean campy?
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Because Ragyo was a shitty motiveless villain, there was zero payoff with Nui, and the fun school related stuff stopped happening. Not to mention Ryuko being bland as hell and constantly the star of the show, to the point of the messages that the show was sending contradicting what was actually happening. Like when Ryuko claimed Satsuki was weak because she doesn't value her friends, when every fucking arc was about Ryuko abandoning hers and Satsuki teaming up with the elite four. And that's another thing, Ryuko's drama was like a broken record. The "incomprehensible" theme was shit too. And nudist beach and tons of other side characters amounted to nothing. Basically, the show is a massive case of wasted potential and felt like it tried to emulate the success of Gurren Lagann but missed everything that made that show fun.
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>>116927292
KLK never really was all that edgy, though.
There are loads of applicable complaints against the series, so I don't get why people call it edgy just because RED AND BLACK COLOR SCHEMED PROTAGONIST = SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG
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>>116927970
The fucking finale was Ryuuko taking everybody elses powers for herself. Hardly what I'd call the power of friendship in action.
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they blew all the budget on ep 1 3 and 5
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>>116910249
I didn't mind Nui at first, its just the fact that she stuck around for so lonng.
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>>116927970
It really sucks with Nui, because there was plenty of potential they could have explored with the character but didn't because they wanted their awful MC to hog all the development.
>>116928407
The only reason I didn't drop this shit was because of Nui.
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>>116928241
>I fight against evil!
>Oh wait I'm made out of the same magical shit.
>I'm a monster!
>I don't want to see my best friend anymore because I'm a monster!
>I don't want to fight evil anymore because I'm technically one of them and a monster!
>
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>>116928596
A teenage girl having an existential crisis. Truly the ne plus ultra of edginess.
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>>116928596
Yeah, but that's not really edgy, is it? This just sounds like confirmation bias in action.
There's no gore at all, just a lot of cartoonish blood, and virtually nobody dies. Edgy is more Frank Castle kinda stuff, in my experience.
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>>116928241
>>116928934
It's the emphasis on depression and intentionally controversial "rape" scenes. The decision to build association with angst (read: be edgy) does increase viewership, which is why the relatively tame Sonic the Hedgehog series began doing the same to appeal to a larger teenage audience, but it also appears cheap in the same way relying on Internet Memes to sell Family Guy episodes does.

It wasn't a bad series, but neither are the mentioned Harry Potter and Homestuck if you're willing to ignore this kind of pandering ever happening, but I'd really rather not support series which takes this approach, even if I did enjoy the crazy bullshit of the earlier episodes.

Episode 4 best in series.
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They hyped season 2 but blew the budget on season 1.
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Major characters in the first half became almost irrelevant in the second half. The plot became unnecessarily "bigger" than it needed with aliens, Ryuuko's whole origin and lifefibers.
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>>116927727
>tfw Rukia and Ichigo will never be how they were together in the first arc

their relationship isn't the same because it evolved, but for some reason Kubo keep them apart
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>>116910182
The premise of schoolgirls removing clothing to gain supernatural combat abilities could have made for a great, over-the-top Daimidaler-style comedy, but the first cour was too serious for a chuckle, and too surreal to be taken seriously. Second cour eliminated the comedy entirely, but focusing the storyline around teenage depression killed any hope of it really being an action series. Better direction could have made it.

>>116929191
Why weren't there more episodes like the fourth. It had just the right level of crazy infernocop inspired bullshit. Redeemed the series for me after the first three were kinda boring.

All my non /a/non friends were watching it due to apparent social media hype, so I never outright dropped it.
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