Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?
Creators known for much bigger works trying to trump them with an even bigger work, which failed because they shoehorned the plot in with meaningless garbage that then falls flat on it's face right at the end.
I'd say the whole show was good up until Ryuko running away, coming back, then being mindfucked by her mom.
What does /v/ have to do with this at all?
/v/ hates this show. Doing that shit puts you on the same level as "ironic" shitposters and people who overuse buzzwords such as edgy
It's more that the tone shifts in a bad way. It stops being funny and sucks at being serious.
I thought the second half was great, all of the former enemies coming together to fight Ragyou was TTGL levels of "fuck yeah," which is basically all the show was about. If you enjoyed it for what it was I think you'd have to like the second half.
I think they did a good job.
The first half was kind of like a regular chinese cartoon show and culminated in the 4 neck-to-neck boss fights, quite a good structure in my opinion.
The second half was a complete change of pace with all going to shit, the world ending, questions being answered, women's fashion and all sorts of other crap, but they kept it engaging and interesting up to the logical conclusion.
Basically TTGL formula tho, so not that surprising.
That pointless battling schools arc and that god awful exposition episode; CLOTHING IS ALIENS!
It was just trying to repeat TTGL's anti-spiral arc and it failed miserably. But the shit actuall began when Nui came down.
You know the term, "jump off a cliff?"
You should do it.
Pretty much this. I can't believe some people thought Ryoko's club-crashing and yelling uselessly at Satsuki was somehow more interesting than what came after.
Someone said "well at least there was some mystery before they revealed who her father's killer was" but that's fucking bullshit because everything before that was just filler and character introductions. Only after the reveal did they really start developing the plot.
Hey, Faggot how are you doing?
Instead of making asking bait questions for people to hate on the show why not mention what you didn't like about the second half that's how discussions work you little kid.
They didn't know what they were doing during the second half. I'm not just parroting this, someone on the staff admitted to it and it's actually a legitimate reason for the show bombing in its second cour. Time and time again, more often than not, when a writer or wriTERS finds himself outpacing his plan and doesn't bother to draw up a new, concrete one so that he (and/or his colleagues) knows which direction to go in, his work starts to lose its flavor from trying to accomplish something vague and undefined.
And in MOST cases like those, the creator(s) is left with the desire to just fucking finish his work already and move on to something else, that they hope to not fuck up.
What are you even talking about?
>They didn't know what they were doing during the second half.
>I'm not just parroting this, someone on the staff admitted to it and it's actually a legitimate reason for the show bombing in its second cour.
Your complete full of shit Kill la Kill was already written before it was animated
your're completely full of shit.
That post didn't imply they were making shit up on the spot, it means they didn't know where the hell to go. Just because something is already written doesn't mean it was well thought out all the way through.
I'm not sure what your getting by calming something is wrong with the right in the it complete accomplished what it set out to do.
Why don't you offer some examples of this so called bad writing instead of making blanket statements
>Kill la Kill was already written before it was animated
That's even more embarrassing.
Like did no one bother to check the script and say "This plot is fucking retarded and makes no sense"?
What, did they just slog it out and go with the first draft?
Actually no, the first few episode scripts were torn up right in front of the writer by his pal. Said he couldn't wear sailor fuku with a script like that(I'm not shitting you).
But, after the initial proposal got the greenlight, I don't think the second half of the series was as carefully examined as the first half's scripts.
You need to take your time posting. I assume you're on mobile, but for one, you're misplacing your words and the sentence is getting FUCKED up. If you can do that, then we can keep talking.
Episode 3 was easily the best.
Kill la Kill was weird no one died everyone was cartoonistly immortal almost. I think Akame ga Kill dose what this show tried to much better
If it had a serious sense of mortality like TTGL I'd like it more...maybe
The average KLK fan is Rei Hiroe, creator of Black Lagoon.
Meanwhile, THIS is the average KLK hater.
In which side do you want to stand, /a/?
Episode 5 was the best.
>Senketsu breakout episode
>Only time Tsumugu was ever cool
>Ryukko at max delciousness
>Focus on best Devas
>Mako playing her part while being cool instead of a spaz
>No boring ass Satsuki drama
Kill la Kill haters are blatantly retarded it's cute to watch them get worked up about an action comedy show they don't get that they are the butt of the joke.
This, I know a lot didn't like it but I enjoyed the pacing up until the invasion of the other schools. I think the creator knew what he wanted out of the show but might have been forced to cut the show early due to budget problems.
Smile, way, voice, fluffy hair, eyes, blood, feminine curves, Senketsu, etc.
I wish there was a figma of her in her school uniform.
>Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?
Because Nui was not the big bad. Anime should have stayed nonsense with Nui defeated in the end.
You just watch
Long after KLK has been forgotten Nuifriends will still be here
Long after all of anime is forgotten Nuifriends will still be here
Long after the earth is destroyed by the sun Nuifriends will still be here
Even long after the heat death of the universe Nuifriends will still be here
Because Nui is love, Nui is life, Nui is eternal
Even though quality did decrease as the show went on, the writers did an amazing job at making you want Nui and discomilf to die to badly. One of my favourite scenes is her getting "killed" before she combines or whatever the fuck she did with the life fibre.
-Appealing character designs
-Nice art direction.
-No romance (despite what shippers say).
-Cast is composed of a set of characters with defined personalities and motivations.
-A lot of the characterization and background of the cast was pushed on to perpherial media like Drama CD and short novels, same with plot points that were introduced as highly relevant in the show, that turned out to be a that big of a deal or just simply ignored and swept on to the rug
-Animation left a lot to be desired, even though the QUALITY was apparently corrected in the BDs
-Disorganization in the production
-Lack of instrospection of the characters
Personally, I just feel Studio Trigger was not ready to produce an studio original show this early. It's normal that shows like this take some years in planning/pre-production, but it feels the lack or organization, like they didn't know how to distribute the budget and on how the story seemed to lack a proper structure after the introduction of Nagita.
Don't get me wrong, it was fun but...
the story tried to go from an action comedy to somewhat serious without laying the foundation for doing so. We literally went from school election fights to fighting ALIENS without proper progression. And then you had the incredibly awkward Junketsu arc which Ryuuko loses all the character development she had for the last 20 episodes and gets it back anyway.
>Why was the first half of Kill La Kill so good and the second half so shit?
Scaling was broken.
In the beginning there was improvement and ryuko got better at first, overcoming several impossible odds and then nothing, plateu.
Gurren lagann was good because it snowballed constantly, they always took it to the next level.
Films like Limitless also use a similar snowball concept and it only works if you keep pushing it to a glorious conclusions, it's like masturbating, you don't want to stop prematurely.
I'd rather give Ryuuko a belly rub.
This. That scene in the first episode with Gamagori laughing like a madman as he falls alongside the kid running down the stairs had a really game-y or Panty & Stocking feel to me.
The show lost that somewhere and just became another anime.
it peaked so hard w/ episode 12. nothing else in the series even came close in level of of hype in that ep. It was just all downhill from there. I still enjoyed it as a whole though.
Mako ruined a lot of scenes with her stupid gag Full-MetalAlchemist did this shit and it was never funny. She was my fav for a while but then it just got ridiculous.
I watched this show last week expecting it to be shit, but I really enjoyed it. I feel like the mix of casualfags and high expectations ruined it for /a/.
Taken as a parody for TTGL its pretty good, my biggest complaint being the character development and the high number of ass-pulls per episode
it was the most fun time on /a/ when this show aired, it was fun and hype all the way through. The usual tsundere behaviour of /a/ for shows that are popular outside of this board should not be taken seriously but with a laugh
It tried to be Gurren Lagann when nothing is ever going to be Gurren Lagann again. That kind of show needs a massive budget which original anime rarely get. KLK is what happens when you try to make a big budget concept with a low budget.
God, mohawk was so cool in 5, 11, and 12 and then a total joke for the rest. Like when sexysensei tells him to get the fuck out, and he gets the fuck out. None of that "no i gotta die and be hero" shit, he's just like "yep, you're right".
Oh man, the first few episodes had pretty great antics.
And then makos hallelujahs turned crap.
I stand firm on my opinion that it should have been a one cour series. What would be even better is if it was a movie so they could focus all the budget into it. Adapt episodes 1-3 with some details from later parts tossed in, have Satsuki as the murderer, and in the final fight Ryuuko decapitates her and that's that.
as if i care about haters
as if i care about /a/ opinion
as if i care about silliness, non-plot, ass-pull
It is was an hell of a ride, a mix of non sense, ass-pull, alleluja moments, plot-pretending and fanservice.
And i need to heard it was shit from Moe lover, who actualy bitching about who was the loliest loli in this fuking loli lolliest world?
i rly like alleluja moments
KLK will never be forgotten.
Harry Potter will never be forgotten.
Homestuck will never be forgotten.
It relied so strongly on edgy character death and drama the world will never disassociate it from the angsty teenagers and Tumblr fanatics that eat that shit up and clang to it en masse while it aired. The same argument comes up with favorite Wizards and Ponies and Alternain Troll Castes in that the world will eventually stop complaining once it forgets. This will plainly never happen. People still whinge about Death Note. Posting Naruto still makes people uneasy after ten years. What makes you think KLK is any different? You guys will be shunned forever.
1./u/ undertones increased.
2./u/ flooded threads, effectively killing discussion.
3.Constantly bothered by /u/ undertones whenever they appear.
4.Electric shamisen wasn't frequent enough to save it.
Summary: It's shit.
What are you, some kind of no-goodnik?
Why was the first part of Bleach so good but it turned to shit after they left Karakura Town? It's the same thing.
When there's still that mystery, they're doing "show, not tell" worldbuilding, and all that's happening is going around fighting and working up, a show is fun.
When the worldbuilding turns into infodumps, the parameters of the world are pinned down, and everything is driven by a bullshit "plot", it turns to shit.
>tfw Rukia and Ichigo will never be how they were together in the first arc
It seemed like they wrote two different shows, both of which were comedies, and bridged them with shitty drama. The second half was saved from pretentious bullshit by Mako, Gama, and our glorious dosh king, rendering the primary characters that we had been expected to follow comparatively uninteresting.
I think it's the point where they reveal that life fibers are aliens. The show starts trying to give sci-fi justifications for everything that's going on, even though everything up to then suggested that it wasn't a show that needed to justify anything.
Because Ragyo was a shitty motiveless villain, there was zero payoff with Nui, and the fun school related stuff stopped happening. Not to mention Ryuko being bland as hell and constantly the star of the show, to the point of the messages that the show was sending contradicting what was actually happening. Like when Ryuko claimed Satsuki was weak because she doesn't value her friends, when every fucking arc was about Ryuko abandoning hers and Satsuki teaming up with the elite four. And that's another thing, Ryuko's drama was like a broken record. The "incomprehensible" theme was shit too. And nudist beach and tons of other side characters amounted to nothing. Basically, the show is a massive case of wasted potential and felt like it tried to emulate the success of Gurren Lagann but missed everything that made that show fun.
KLK never really was all that edgy, though.
There are loads of applicable complaints against the series, so I don't get why people call it edgy just because RED AND BLACK COLOR SCHEMED PROTAGONIST = SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG
It really sucks with Nui, because there was plenty of potential they could have explored with the character but didn't because they wanted their awful MC to hog all the development.
The only reason I didn't drop this shit was because of Nui.
>I fight against evil!
>Oh wait I'm made out of the same magical shit.
>I'm a monster!
>I don't want to see my best friend anymore because I'm a monster!
>I don't want to fight evil anymore because I'm technically one of them and a monster!
Yeah, but that's not really edgy, is it? This just sounds like confirmation bias in action.
There's no gore at all, just a lot of cartoonish blood, and virtually nobody dies. Edgy is more Frank Castle kinda stuff, in my experience.
It's the emphasis on depression and intentionally controversial "rape" scenes. The decision to build association with angst (read: be edgy) does increase viewership, which is why the relatively tame Sonic the Hedgehog series began doing the same to appeal to a larger teenage audience, but it also appears cheap in the same way relying on Internet Memes to sell Family Guy episodes does.
It wasn't a bad series, but neither are the mentioned Harry Potter and
Homestuckif you're willing to ignore this kind of pandering ever happening, but I'd really rather not support series which takes this approach, even if I did enjoy the crazy bullshit of the earlier episodes. Episode 4 best in series.
They hyped season 2 but blew the budget on season 1.
The premise of schoolgirls removing clothing to gain supernatural combat abilities could have made for a great, over-the-top Daimidaler-style comedy, but the first cour was too serious for a chuckle, and too surreal to be taken seriously. Second cour eliminated the comedy entirely, but focusing the storyline around teenage depression killed any hope of it really being an action series. Better direction could have made it.
Why weren't there more episodes like the fourth. It had just the right level of crazy infernocop inspired bullshit. Redeemed the series for me after the first three were kinda boring.
All my non /a/non friends were watching it due to apparent social media hype, so I never outright dropped it.