How would you fix the Fate Route, /a/?
What would you do to make Shirou and Saber's romance as good as Rin and Sakura's?
Saber Thread I guess
Shirou tells Saber that her dream is stupid, Saber tells Shirou that his dream is also stupid. They act like rational human beings and agree that their lover is actually right, and just abandon them. They then fight the grail war without those shitty emotional baggages. They then fug and Saber bears Shirou his half-breed mongrel children.
There, greatest love story ever told.
Well for starters, remove all Shirous hangups about Saber protecting him. That shit was grating.
Maybe make him less worthless in combat, instead of turning him into mini Archer, he could just stick to projecting Caliburn and Avalon.
As for the actual Romance? I don't know, that one always felt awkward to me, I thought she worked better as his big sister, then a girlfriend.
To add to this, if they still needed a proper romance and sex scenes or w/e, they could have had Saber be Shirous wingman and play match maker with him and Ayako.
Would give Ayako somewhat of a route, with out forcing her into the Grail War.
I would also like to add that they should have a feeling of "camaraderie" between them, and then move from that to being a couple. Shirou and Saber acted more like comrades in UBW than in Fate, where they're arguing for most of the route until close to the end.
Also, change the conversation a bit/lot between Shirou and Saber about Shirou wanting Saber to stop/drop her ideals. It may be the correct choice; but the choice doesn't mean much if the one who says it (Shirou) has a similar ideal like hers, but is not dropping his.
More some details here and there. Have Shirou not fuss so much about Saber being a girl and have Saber not develop into a love struck girl just after they've had sex.
I don't mind the romance as a whole, but it could had been played more as a friendship which would have Shioru get more thrown of guard by by the fact that he loves her more.
Fate is mostly exposition route anyway so it's needed mostly to explain the basics so that they can develop other things later.
I thought that the fact that Saber and Shirou are separated at the end redeemed their romance in my eyes somewhat that last day of
Fate was great but the build up could certainly have been better.
Are you saying that any kind of love is unrealistic by default and that there is no difference whatsoever between different love stories?
Would Saber loving my cock be just as likely as Saber loving Shrou since there's no difference anyway?
Remove all the UR A GIRL bullshit. That ruined it. More brothers on arms moments like in UBW and HF. No forced sex scenes.
The last day was fine (and the ending was perfect), that was supposed to be the dynamic between them.
The changes have been solid.
The series is more confident in its execution for them, so far at least. We also get significantly more Kiritsugu flashbacks, which is a treat in itself.
By making saber realize what's her fault and she would have great resolve and going saber lily, but she would still want to change the past. With great determination even if it cost the lives of innocent she would find her way to the grail.
Because Nasu like Gen's Idea of Saber Lily is also a villain
And then shirou oppose saber, but their promise to end this war together and his seigi no mikata make shirou don't dare to make saber kill herself. Then story goes on and saber back being the good guy and make promise with shirou that if she ever try to be the bad guy again, please instruct her to kill herself.
For the ending, after knowing Illya is the grail, her desire to change the past take control of her and shirou will fight her. And just one more step to kill Illya, shirou instruct saber to stop, then a command seal is disappeared but saber didn't flinch. And then in great despair shirou instruct saber to kill herself.
"sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry". And then saber says "Thank you, Shirou. You protect our promise"
"No saber, I . . ."
"Thank you for keeping our promise, Shirou"
In tears he says "Seiba . . . I . . . why you gave me this task, why you promise me something like this"
"Because I love you, and I trust you"
*Seibah coughing blood and disappearing*
"I know you could do it."
"W-What do you mean?"
"You'll understand when you become a great person. Don't cry, didn't you tell me you'll be a super hero? Save your tears for those who failed to be saved, save your tears for those who you kill, save your tears for those who lose their families. I don't want to see your tears so please, smile"
In tears he said "Saber . . I love you"
"Me too, I love you Shirou"
"Will we meet again?"
"We will, in the garden of Avalon"
With tears in his cheek he force a smile and said "Then, until we meet again".
"I'll be waiting"
And then continuation of the dream.
I'm not even a saberfag, why would I waste my time to make this?
The series works pretty well with the changes. The magic makes more sense, or they give more time to showing how it works. The scenes between the characters all have a bit more weight, this most episode nailed the problems with fathers both Rin and Shirou have, in a way that was better than the VN. It was arguably the best one so far, and it hardly had any fights.
Watching Shirou take a shot for Rin is amusing, it kind of nails the "Shirou is too dumb to live" sentiment that Rin was trying to drill into him earlier in the episode, but allows Rin to see it in a different way.
I don't understand how anybody can enjoy reading FSN. It was a struggle the whole way through. That said, I liked Fate more than UBW. Still haven't read Heaven's Feel. Haven't touched the game in over a year.
Fate overall is the worst route and that is just because it is the infodump route. Heaven's feel is far worse at times but it gets far better at others. UBW is just solid throughout so I am not sure why you liked that less.
Basically UBW>HF(non-Sakura parts)>Fate
>They act like rational human beings
>Shirou tells Saber that her dream is stupid, Saber tells Shirou that his dream is also stupid.
>why would I waste my time to make this?
As an UBWfag I wouldn't put that many ">"s between UBW and HF.
Though to be honest I prefer Archer versus Shirou to most scenes of the HF climax.
Also why the hell did Rider survive?
Watch out for the transforming Hassan who will literally fuck you to death (if you even last that long).
>Also why the hell did Rider survive?
Because getting Sakura alone would count as bad end, with Rider as bonus it's better.
Jokes aside, because Sakura is still some Grail experiment overflowing with mana, enough to sustain a Servant even outside a HGW.
Kind of like what happens in UBW Good End, except is a little more believable.
It's just very linear and follows a quite predictable battle shonen development.
Not bad per se, but UBW and HF have much more impact - but don't know it when you've only read the first route and think Fate is the best thing ever.
("you" meant as as average reader)
While I do agree that in HF, Shirou and Saber didn't argue that much, I felt like they were comrades/friends to a lesser extent. Especially since in HF, I don't believe that Saber and Shirou had that much interaction/conversation (on stuff other than the war) between each other. In UBW, you hear them talk a lot with each other about different things. One of the conversations in that route that stuck out to me was the one they had in the storage room (when Shirou was doing training with his "strengthening"). At a certain point, Saber talked about her knowing about a mage/warlock (in her time); where while she considered him a great friend, she also considered him a huge trouble that caused a lot of problems in her time. I don't remember any other time in the other two routes where Saber talked about things of her past that doesn't relate to her troubles (or drama unless someone who can remember can clarify).
The problem with Fate route is the same with Arc's route in Tsukihime.
They're intro routes. So, since you get all the meat in the other routes, the intro route just feels pointless (especially because many of the important explanations you got in the intro route get repeated in the other ones).
Nasu should get rid of the idea of intro routes and just make each route stand on its own and have them reveal their own share of important details and secrets.
As for the romance, that's sadly entirely Shirou'a fault. The guy is just plain boring (not as a character, since his issues make him interesting, but as a person, since he's rather dull).
That's why his romance with Saber and Sakura can come off as boring, since as far as relationship dynamics go, there's little to nothing.
It works well with Rin because of her personality. She knows how to deal with Shirou and how to play his buttons (he can also press her buttons well every now and then).
>BEING A HERO OF JUSTICE IS CHILDISH
>YEAH WELL WISHING TO ERASE WHAT YOU DID IS STUPID
>NO FUCK YOU
>repeat 3 times
>Suddenly sucking each others faces
>Insert Sex Scene with Dragons here
>old F/sn anime
Another anon but I tried to forget
It already is. It's everything else that makes UBW and HF better.
I'd have to say that in terms of romance alone, I liked Fate more: it's got lots of cute moments, it had a chill bittersweet end and let's all be honest here, it has the best girl.
This sort of spoonfeeding is ok. If he googled it, some website like Reddit may have told him that the VN is for faggots and he should only watch F/Z
I hope you're waifu asks for divorce
you should've stopped here>>116731088
Got you covered, just remembered that the head of the team that handled the English Vita Patch posted a backup link.
sweet., seems its changed a lot since I last looked into it. It was a pain to get the ps2 cutscenes then. Thanks.
yeah, I remember it being discussed at least around 2006 on all those vidya/anime websites. DOnt know if its too known today.
Romance in Fate was shit because there is no place for one. You can see that outside of fanfic that is UBW Good, Saber will never accept a quiet way of living with her loved one.
Other problem is that you can't have a good romance with Saber staying in this world because quality would be significantly diminished by the fact that in order for Saber to stay and keep on living with her ideals she would need a lot of prana which Shirou cannot provide and therefore asspulls would have to come out.
>that feel now knowing that you were introduced to TM by the 2006 FSN anime way back when
Well, you did ruin some of FSN, but there was still lots of parts that you could in no way predict happen. So you didn't do all that bad, some people still haven't even read the VN.
Nah you're still a faggot
Why is no other servant as usefull as Lancer?
He even functions as a furnace
>Heavy snow fell that night so that all the five provinces of Erin were a white plane with the snow. And Cuchulain doffed the seven-score waxed, boardlike tunics which were used to be held under cords and strings next his skin, in order that his sense might not be deranged when the fit of his fury came on him. And the snow melted for thirty feet all around him, because of the intensity of the warrior's heat and the warmth of Cuchulain's body. And the gilla remained a good distance from him for he could not endure to remain near him because of the might of his rage and the warrior's fury and the heat of his body.
They pretty much had to have the romance due to this being an eroge, but honestly given the option I would just cut it. Maybe even straight up keep Saber male.
You could focus the route more towards developing Shirou's character early one; most people will agree he was weakest in Fate. If they really needed to I'm sure they could come up with a love interest for him.
>Is this real? I don't remember it.
Saber/Shirou romance was pretty much like Rin/Shirou but with roles reversed and no proper conclusion. Throughout the route Shirou tries to prove to his reflection that being Shirou is wrong, and comes in term with it shortly after.