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Would Rin have won the Holy Grail if she had summoned Saber?
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>>116340264
not with Gil around
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>>116340264
no too busy fucking around instead.
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EMIYA would be shit as Saber.
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>>116340264
I don't know about the Grail but holy shit that is win.
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>>116340264
obligatory
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>>116340438
this
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>>116340922
thank god for the word obligatory
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>>116340264
Bothe Bererker and Gil can defeat Rin!Saber. Hell, she even had some difficulty with Fake Assassin.
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>>116340922
can't wait for shota gil next season.
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>Shirou summons Archer
>"HEY DUDE DON'T KILL ME BRO"
>command seal activates
>now stuck with his own dumbass self throughout the whole grail war

MEANWHILE, AT TOHSAKA MANSION
>Master, can we stop casting Merlin's Magic Missile yet?
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>>116340264
Saber would EXCALIBAAAAA every five minutes. For fun.
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>>116340264
No, because Saber would defect to Shirou.
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>>116340264
Rin! Saber is one of the strongest combos. Being able to Excaliblast several times a day is pretty powerful.
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>>116340264
No, she's Rin.
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Seriously, HOW Emiya could even summon Saber when himself is Archer?

Would Shirou have dominate the Holy Grail war if he had summoned future himself?
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>>116340264
obligatory
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RinxSaber vs BazettxLancer

Go.
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No, two characters incapable of getting anything done won't win anything.
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>>116342224

The lesbians
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>>116340264

With how overpowered Saber is I don't see how she couldn't.
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>>116342143
1. Because it doesn't work that way. He was never famous for his swordsmanship. He'd have a better chance summoning Fuji-nee.
2. Not a chance. Can you really imagine Archer helping the one who made his life hell?
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WAKE UP,

RAPE THE SERVANTS
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>>116342224
>>Go.
/b/ speech goes to /b/.

>>>/b/
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>>116342143
Use himself as the Catalyst. Archer would immediately respond to the chance to fuck himself up.
Shirou would probably die the moment Archer is summoned but it might be possible the plot would just give him amnesia to make it work
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>>116342224
Bazett/Lancer without a doubt. Rin would get her shit wrecked by Bazett if its during the Fuyuki 5th Grail War and Lancer could stall Saber long enough to wait for Rin to get her shit wrecked.
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Would Kotomine have won if he summoned Kiristugu ?
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>>116342143
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>>116347608
so wait, can reality marbles contain other reality marbles or would using two in the same space do a funky merged thing?
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>>116340264
Only with a womb full of old man semen.
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>>116347906
You can't have two different RM at the same time but that's two guys using the same RM so I would figure there's no issues in sharing the space
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>>116348015
Archer shoots off UBW. When it's done, it becomes Shirou's turn.
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>>116347608
>Double Unlimited
At what point does Unlimited become not enough?
Great read though.
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>>116348156
To be super honest. It's not like many things could tank 2 UBWs one after the other.

>>116348346
When you need to kick logic to the curb and go beyond the impossible
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>>116348346
>At what point does Unlimited become not enough?
You won't win a magical fight with that kind of thinking.
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>>116348434
>many things
Name one thing in universe that can. In. universe. No spin-off parallel universe nonsense.
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Would Bazett have won if she wasn't betrayed by Kotomine?
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>>116348761
Arc more than likely. I'd imagine the Servant form of Musashi Miyamoto could handle it too. Especially if the Grail War were in Japan.
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>>116348847
Likely. Even while being gimped by Kotomine, Cu managed to fight Gil to a standstill. With a proper master he likely could have beaten him.
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>a bunch of clueless participants and amateur-hour magi

Bazett would've finished up with plenty of time to spare getting fucked raw by Lancer until she broke.
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>>116348847
Bazett has a surprisingly big rack, It's too bad, if Kotomine had not been a dick Lancer would off been all up in that.
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>>116340264
Rin did win the war though. At least in UBW.
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>>116341602
Why would saber know jack shit about magic
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>>116348948
>until Lancer broke
Fixed that for you.

I mean, he's Lancer. His role is to put up a good fight but ultimately to get fucked over.
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>>116348761
ORT, Ciel/Roa if her regen hax still works, Arc,TATARI, Presumably Araya. Primate Murder, Zeltretch probably has a way around it with Second. Another Archer/Shirou combo with their own Double UBW
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>>116348847
She would have given it the best try, if there is no protagonist bullshit affecting the war then her and Lancer would be able to beat pretty much everyone except maybe Gil depending on how they approach it
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>>116348931
Cu probably used Gae Bolg. Gil probably countered with a shield that could stop Gae Bolg/used his chain thing.

Fragarach should kill Gil, though.
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>>116348434
>When you need to kick logic to the curb and go beyond the impossible
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Matou Rin is best Rin
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>>116349338
Shirou really could have benefited from his own Time-skip Simon or Kamina
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>>116349576
>Implying the Kerry flashback doesn't count.
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>>116348015
Both RMs are different, though. On Heaven's Feel route Shirou can't use UBW because his and archer's aren't the same.
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>>116349610
Ki-mina was a terrible role model. Kiritsugu would literally be LG right after his Parallel Works video.
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>>116341602
Would absolutely love this. They're just stuck with each other and miserable, but as they go on Shirou gets closer and closer to Archer till the point where if they actually had a mana source they'd be like a double servant pair. But they don't so they can't beat Gil.
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>>116349684
Well that's because Heaven's Feel shirou is of a very different mind than Unlimited Blade Works Shirou. Shirou always posses the potential to have Unlimited Blade Works. He just doesn't fulfill it in HF
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>>116349042
Angra Mainyu would stomp them as well, obviously. The combined fifth war servants could only even buy time against fragments.
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>>116349338
>>116349576
Adult Simon would be an awesome servant summon with all the spiral power hax
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Probably not. For all Saber got hyped up as the strongest servant she always tended to fuck up when it counts. Also why is it that this "strongest servant" still found a way to be at a disadvantage in almost every fight she got into?
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>>116349944
Yeah because it was by his own words "The Dog, the Spider and then myself" when it came to killing humans the quickest. I think, don't quote me on that since I have shit memory

>>116350017
After a long fight, you're out of Mana and he starts to fade away but his speech basically renews your second wind and you accidentally turn all your nerves in circuits of amazing quality
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>>116349887
It isn't a matter of mind or potential. Reality marbles are something unique to the user. The UBW Archer uses is the UBW inside himself, not the UBW inside Shirou, and vice versa.
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>>116349102
I thank Carnival Phantasm for showing us glorious Bazett booty. Makes my black genes go crazy.
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>>116348761
>Name one thing in universe that can
Tohno Shiki at max power (source: Nasu)
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>>116340264
it depends? does saber have avalon? if so yes easily

if not, it might be a struggle
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>>116350430
It's a shame she didn't get more screen time. She was amazing in that.
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>>116340264
would Shirou win the Holy Grail if he summoned future Rin?
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>>116349102
I did not notice this ass.
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>>116350737
That's a damn shame. You've seen it now though and you can sit here and enjoy it in its full goodness
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>>116342224
Not even a question. Bazett/Lancer, very handily.
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>>116350126
Because she keeps getting self-destructive masters with poor mana and only half her noble phantasms. With Rin's mana batteries she could just spam Excalibur and Avalon all day and wipe the floor with everyone.
Remember that it takes the goddamn Jeweled Sword of Zeltretch to counter her in HF.
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>>116351024
Didn't Shirou beat her on his own without a servant in one bad end? Though he did die in the process but still. That's pretty fucking sad when even a shitty mage like Shirou can beat her.
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>>116351024
>With Rin's mana batteries she could just spam Excalibur and Avalon all day and wipe the floor with everyone.

No she couldn't. At full power, Excalibur takes almost all of *her* mana. She can't use it twice in a row even at the best of times unless she wants to disappear.
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>>116347608
The clock paid no role to the "failed" summoning. She used a catalyst without realizing
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>>116340264
Nah.

She'd have won if she summoned Enkidu. He was created by the Gods themselves to match Gilgamesh's strength and uh-sexual appetite.
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Anyone else wish that scene where Sakura tosses Rin to dickworm hell actually showed us a scene of this happening? Got boner just from imagining.
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>>116351428
Gil was actually pretty poor as a servant though. I mean how many servants did he really beat? Mostly just Berserker which was a good matchup for him and Caster who was shit.
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>>116340264
Not with Shirou fighting with Caster buffing him.
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>>116351529
>Doesn't want Caster to be happy

You scumbag
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>>116351514
Haha.

No servant can beat the King of Heroes without support, and you're a mongrel for thinking otherwise.
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>>116351514
Lancer, Berserker, Assassin, Caster, Archer all from the 5th war. Rider and Assassin from the 4th. Better track record then any one else.
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>>116351596
That dude was high as fuck, pay him no mind
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>>116351576
>Implying Shirou isn't perfect for her

His ultimate goal that he never admits is to be a house husband. She'd hate him at first but be head over heels once she tasted his cooking. Plus she could teach him to be a proper Magus.

They are the most perfect pair in the entire VN. Just imagine how Caster would interact with Rin, Sakura and Taiga.
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>>116351592
Saber won pretty easily once she had her full power restored. Archer could have won if he gave enough of a fuck. Also he lost to two regular human mages in different routes, Shirou in UBW and Sakura in HF. That's pretty pathetic.
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>>116351592
Considering that Archer did it before he was even a servant, regular Archer could do it easy. Plus Lancelot
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>>116351576
After her Jason she just wants love and Kuzuki does as well but it is in no way limited to only always be him. Right situation a different man can take up that mantel. If anyone will suffer it is Kuzuki as he will continue being an empty husk as NO one but Caster can help him.
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>>116351596
>Archer from the fifth war

Uh, Archer ain't the one that got Kanshou through his head in UBW mate
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>>116351691
>Implying if Caster hadn't come along Taiga wouldn't have snatched him up
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>>116349042
>>116349944
>>116350494
Half of those aren't even "tanking".
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>>116351642
Well she wouldn't get along with Taiga, we know this through Nasu's "Doesn't like mature women" from the Q&A.

Aside from that, I suppose she'd sympathize with Sakura. Not sure she'd like Rin at all though.

Also >Most perfect pair. Not Bazett and Lancer
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>>116350610
Caren just had to ruin Lancer and her's good time
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>>116351592

>mongrel

I cannot take that slur seriously, as it's what we use her to refer to sheepdogs. He's basically calling someone a sheepgod.

I can now see Gil in a singlet and with a soft cap calling people 'mucky mongrels', while mucking out the Sheep Pen.
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>>116351691
Then that's a good point. Shirou can get happiness elsewhere. Kuzuki will never be happy without Caster.

>>116351727
Only one needed to be named. Unless none of these are sufficient then the question was answered
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>>116351740
>Well she wouldn't get along with Taiga, we know this through Nasu's "Doesn't like mature women" from the Q&A.

She'd tease Taiga about being unmarried at her age, and probably tease her for being a virgin too. She'd tease Rin for being flat and a little girl. And Sakura would probably bring out her S streak.
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>>116351576
She still wins in 2/3 the routes.
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>>116351751
That rich son of a bitch. I'm just glad Gil informed her that money can't buy that kind of relationship
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>>116342224
Bazett kills magus that have earned a Sealing Designation as her day job. Lancer under Bazett can stand up to Saber under Rin, and if Excalibur gets used it's automatically Bazett's win.
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>>116351829
Her teasing Taiga probably wouldn't be that friendly in nature though. Caster justifiably has a pretty big ego even if her goals aren't that big. She'd destroy Taiga in banter

>>116351838
And leave poor Kuzuki out in the cold? You bastard
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>>116342224
Wouldn't Bazzett actually be a huge player in the HGW had she not been shanked
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>>116351923
She was by far the strongest contender to win outright.
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>>116348931
Lol no. Cu holding off Gil just proves Gil didn't care. Enkidu would immediately end the fight for Gil. Gil can easily defend against anything Cu can do. There's nothing Cu could do that could force Gil to use Ea, so Fragarach is out.

They literally can't win. At all.
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>>116340264
No.

Fate route: Shirou would have died on the very first night and Rin wouldn't be able to give Saber back Avalon due to not knowing that it was inside Shirou the whole time. Without Avalon, Saber would lose to Gilgamesh. Rin probably wouldn't be able to withstand the Grail Mud like Shirou was able to as well.

UBW: Shirou would have died a long time ago and once again, both Saber and Rin would have no trump card against Gilgamesh.

Heaven's Feel: Sakura kills most of the Servants, Rin kills Sakura, everything's averted, Shirou still dies at some point.

Literally the only reason Shirou survives any of the routes is thanks to Saber.
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>>116349749
>implying archer and Shirou wouldn't eventually highjack the leyline under ryuudo because lol issei route.
>Also this could be the illya route as well, in which case theres an absolute asston of mana.
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>>116351910
He didn't seem all that heartbroken when she died, so I'm sure he'll be fine.

Besides, Caster still has her chance at getting Saber.
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>>116351838
Does Rider usurp Caster in the Rider route then?
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>>116351982
>Uses the theoretical "Serious Gil" for his argument

Just because Gil has the ability to do something, doesn't mean he's ever going to. If Serious Gil ever popped up then he wouldn't be King of Jobbers
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>>116352065
Except I didn't at all. That's all based around fucking around Gil. The point is they literally can't kill him. Nothing they could do could beat Gil even when he's not remotely serious.

They would be better off if he WAS 'Serious Gil'. At least then he might just go 'fuck it' and immediately try to Ea them.
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>>116352045
You cold, man. You damn cold. I can understand why you'd say that but damn...Kuzuki deserves better
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>>116352065
Would he keep Gate of Babylon if he was summoned as Berserker? Or would he only have the armor and Ea
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>>116352132
Did he even give a fuck about her? I haven't finished the VN yet (currently only done with Fate and UBW True end), but when she died he didn't even seem phased.
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>>116352143
Has Gilgamesh ever gone insane?
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>kuzuki didn't seem that upset when she died

Kuzuki conveys his emotions about as well as a baked potato
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>>116352045
I wasn't sold on Caster/Kuzuki pairing in F/SN and in the comedy spin offs like CP and the many Doujin circles it felt forced. After reading that sidestory origin thing in F/HA of Kuzuki's origin and when fought Gil they suddenly clicked for me.
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>>116352124
>>116352065
Actually, it's literally impossible for Gil to not job like a bitch.

He owns every Noble Phantasm. That means he owns every cursed Noble Phantasm. Literally the only reason he can get out of bed without dying like a bitch is because he has A++ luck. I think it's safe to say that it's basically impossible for Gil to actually win when it matters, regardless of his opponent. He has Anti-plot armour.
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>>116352065
Are you an idiot? Gil while not remotely serious can still prevent any Servant but Emiya from getting close unless he lets them. GoB is outright bullshit.

The point is Cu didn't fight Gil equally, he just managed to not die against him for a while. He still lost, and the point is that loss would happen whenever Gil wants it to because all he has to do is use Enkidu and the fight's done.
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>>116352164
I really hope you're not implying he'd keep his self even with a berserker class summon. If he kept all his shit he'd be beyond broken.
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