REBUILD IS A SEQUEL OF EVA

probably at home around the release of 3

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Wasn't this popular belief though?

>>116227377
The true question is why where the chins so pointy ?

>>116227639
>pirate Asuka
What could have been.

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>>116227639
I just ended watching EoE and I was completely lost at what the fuck was going on in the second half of the movie. Is there any chart or image made by the fanbase like that one that would help me understand EoE's ending?

>>116229228

It's an alternate ending.

>>116229228
Oh fuck you.
No, seriously. Fuck people like you. All that shit is so fucking basic and easy to understand if you've ever watched ANYTHING in your entire life that involved an actual plot to it, and yet not only do you refuse to just give your brain a workout that is equal to moving a spoon to your mouth but you also demand someone shove the spoon up to your fucking mouth too?

What is wrong with you? Did you drop out of elementary school?

>>116229481
a lifetime of easy-to-digest pleb media stunts the ability to process anything that requires even the tiniest bit of audience engagement

>>116229228
Just tell me the main parts you don't get and I'll do my best to give you a serious answer.

>>116229761
Evangelion IS easy-to-digest pleb media you daft twat.

Fuck loops. I don't want this shit to be a sequel to anything.

>>116230160
not for someone who's major media experience has just been hollywood blockbusters and whatnot

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>>116230214
Then think about the material and evidence provided and evaluate whether it actually proves anything.

>>116230368
The only proof is Kaworu, but even then there might be more to it then just him reviving.

>>116230239
No it isn't. Despite shit like Inception or Bioshock Infinite trying to mask depth behind ambiguity or having shitty convoluted plots your average pleb still manages to piece together at least a general fucking idea of what the movie/game was about without having to go to a fucking image board spewing "HELP GUYSE I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA ABOUT ANYTHING THAT FUCKING HAPPENED, WHAT DID I WATCH". People like that guy really are on an entirely different level of drool machine.

>>116230532
Well, there is more, but there might be other reasons for the red water all over the place. I am sort of just denying it.

>>116230532
At best, Kaworu can make it a self contained loop, but I don't think there's anything that definitively connects it to NGE. It's at the point right now where you cannot say it's a sequel with any certainty and the only good option is to just wait and see what happens.

>>116230579
> there might be other reasons for the red water all over the place
Gee, if only there were a convenient scene in 2.22 to explain why the oceans were red. Man, wouldn't that just be amazing?

>>116230679
It's been a while, I'm sorry. What was the reason?

>>116230714
Second Impact turned the waters red. Kaji explicitly tells you this in 2.22 when they go visit the aquarium, which is set up in order to purify the water.

The biggest problem with people who think it's definitively a sequel and blindly believe that the chart is true is that they don't fucking think about what is explicitly in the movies themselves; they just take the pretty picture's word for it and move on.

>>116227639
>Eva is a story of repetition
More like Japanese writers love falling back on cycles and repetition because they're lazy and/or incompetent.

>>116230818
Surely if Rebuild is a reboot it would also have blue water. The red water if anything kinda hints that this is a different time/world than the original.

>>116231196
Exactly. If the timelines is looping around back to the start, then that would mean everything would be the same as the start of NGE. You would have blue water, you wouldn't have all that vegetation and shit people point out at the beginning of 1.11, and all of the inconsistencies wouldn't be there either.

People want to bullshit that it's a loop, but also that things changed because reasons. They want a catch-all theory that explains everything but can't be disproven. The most commonly used one is the idea that Shinji became a god, so then he just decided to keep certain geographic elements the same while resetting everything else for no fucking reason, but this both misrepresents the control Shinji had in Instrumentality - he really just had the option to continue it or abort - and begs the question as a theory, presupposing that it's a sequel as its premise.

>>116231416
Oh I misunderstood.

I don't believe it's a loop at all. I am kinda hoping that rebuild takes place after End of Evangelion though. Unfortunately Doubt that will be the case since they were labelled as reboots and not sequels.

>>116231739
There are issues with that too. If you think Rebuild takes place just a few years after NGE, that's simply impossible as you cannot rebuild the world and all the damage done to it in that small an amount of time. The geofront itself was completely uprooted and Lilith is completely out of action. We know that the geography of Japan is the same as in NGE, and that Tokyo-3 is in the same spot as NGE, so that would require far too much construction and effort to get everything back in place so soon.

If you believe it's several hundred or thousands of years afterwards, that requires all events to repeat again for no reason, everyone to reincarnate into themselves again, for the geography of everything to return to exactly as it was pre-NGE, and for everyone to contribute to putting shit like the Black Moon back in place for no fucking reason. It's just really absurd.

>>116232068
>It's just really absurd.
You just summarized this entire series

>>116232068
Yeah, that's true. I just want Rebuild to be unrelated to the original which I loved though.

Even if they had to pull some bullshit like Shinji/Yui rebuilding the world and rejecting instrumentality I'd accept it at this point because of what a dissapointment 3.33 was for me.

Reminder that NGE ends with everyone still tanged for a reason.

>>116232312
If you want it to be unrelated to the original, then why do you want it to chronologically take place after EoE, in the same timeline?

There's a simple thing Japan does with a lot of series; they create Alternate Universe continuations. It's basically just a thing authors do when they want to continue using the same characters and make money off of them without messing with the original series. This allows them to continue writing new scenarios for characters while keeping the original fans happy because it doesn't affect or potentially ruin the original.

NGE already has a history of AU spinoffs with Angelic Days, Raising Project, Campus Apocalypse, and so on. Rebuild is simply just another AU, a separate continuity and an excuse to reuse the same old characters in new scenarios.

>>116232533
>EoE,
>canon

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>>116232604
Same events from a different perspective.

>>116232533
Because, I feel like atm they are just milking the original series. If they were to make it a sequel then at least it would be it's own story.

>>116232729
>If they were to make it a sequel then at least it would be it's own story
In what world does that make any fucking sense? It being a sequel makes it not its own story, but just a continuation of another one.

>>116232528
They can untang, surely.

I hate the sequel theory for two reasons.

-It's a cliched, unoriginal twist. (Same reason why I hate the timeskip.)

-Fucks up canon when the ending was perfect. (Just like Madoka's movie, even though that was good by itself.)

>>116230559
I know you're trying to sound like an anime master, but saying EOE is easy to understand is just incorrect. Compared to the vast majority of media it's up there with the complicated stuff. It at least requires a rewatch after some googling.

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Post your predictions for the plot of 3.0+1.0

Pull as much out of your ass as you must

>>116232663
It's officially an alternate ending to the story.

>>116232933
Sure.

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>>116232933
An alternate ending which simply shows the same events from a different perspective.

>>116232837

Yes, without memories or anything into Rebuild World.

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>>116232956
>>116232967
>ＴＶシリーズ完結後、もうひとつの結末として描かれた物語が「劇場版エヴァンゲリオン」です。

No, it's just a different outcome. Just accept it and move on. Original ending is simply Shinji getting congratulated and nobody gets untanged. Not even him. Humanity is stuck in limbo which lets Anno do what he wants in his sequel.

>>116232879
Seemingly remaking a series in movie-form 11 years after the anime finished airing, and then revealing that the films were sequels all along only with the final film in the franchise ~8 years after the first film was released isn't the most unoriginal twist there is.

>>116233051
>which lets Anno do what he wants in his sequel.
Which is shit. EoE is canon and Anno can suck it.

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>>116233051
The only difference between EoE and TV end is the perspective of events shown, and One More Final in EoE. The same shit happens otherwise.

And if you want your image to mean anything, you're going to have to make it read in a language the people it's aimed at can read.

>>116232913
I'm just going to ape off a previous anon's theory, and say that 3.0+1.0 is going to be 3.0's plot in the same timeline as 1.0 and 2.0, and that 3.0 took place in an alternate universe of some kind.

>>116232967

Anno already covered this. He confirmed only 25' is that, 26' is not, the official Gainax website specifically says is ANOTHER outcome.

The original and canon ending is episode 26. Nobody gets out of Instrumentality in canon.

>>116233173
That's even more retarded than the whole I was just dreaming this entire thing up theory.

>>116233094
Maybe saying unoriginal and cliched was wrong. It feels more cheap and gimmicky, like a Shyamalan twist.

>>116233167

Not according to Anno.

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>>116233257
>>116233194
Death of the Author.

>>116233320
But he's alive.

>>116233257
>>116233194
Daily reminder that Anno is a hack and the Rebuilds are shit. A SHIT.

>>116233216
Agreed, but I'd love to see /a/'s reaction.

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>>116233376

>>116233194
>Nobody gets out of Instrumentality in canon.

Uh but, Shinji rejected Instrumentality in NGE.

>>116233167
After we finished the tv series, we draw "The Theatrical Version Evangelion", a story with an alternate/another outcome/ending*.

*Note: that this phrase is used for those bonus/non canon cut endings added in special BD/DVD director's cuts released exclusively. It's not "another perspective" but means it's new and different from the original intended ending.

>>116233376
I'm amazed a frenzied Reifag hasn't set fire to his house by now.

>>116233408

No, he didn't. He simply learned to love himself and stayed in Instrumentality. He didn't control it either.

The one controlling Instrumentality in NGE is hinted to be Gendo. He can't reject shit.

>>116233433
And we did get a bonus, we got One More Final. Everything else is the same, just from another perspective.

>>116233167
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/15478/Hideaki-Anno-x-Kazuo-Koike-October-22-2013/
>庵野さん「最終回の26話は元々あんな終わりなんです。
>Anno: The final episode, episode 26, was going to be that way originally.

EoE is an alternative ending.

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>>116233453

>>116233320
>>116233384
>madfags

Anno always wanted to do a sequel to Eva and hinted in his last interview Rebuild had elements of it.

>>116233528
>was going to be that way originally.
So it's the same thing then?

>>116233484
>The one controlling Instrumentality in NGE is hinted to be Gendo.
Wow that is complete bullshit.

>>116233528
>I can't help laughing when hard-core anime fans say that we did a very lousy job, with intentional negligence. No we didn't. No staff members did a lousy job. In fact, every member at Gainax gave more energy than anybody can imagine. I feel sad that those fans couldn't see our efforts. Personally I think the original TV ending we showed ended up beautifully."

Anno likes episode 26. Fags will keep getting mad. Rei remains Gendo's puppet to the end.

>>116233552
Anno also wanted to have all the remaining Angels to come down and fight all at once for a finally. What he wanted doesn't mean shit.

>>116233562
Nope, 26 was how it's suppose to be. EOE is an alternative.

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>>116233540
Truly the Master lives off the tears of Reifags.

>>116233603

It's not. There were two interviews about it, Anno called it either the best end or the worst end. Didn't you find it weird that the 'same' (according to fanwankers only) ending had Gendo featured in one while Gendo is rejected in EOE so he can't be tanged?

Hint: because he succeeded in NGE. He's with Yui as a huge hint for you.

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>>116233657
>Anno also wanted to have all the remaining Angels
There were gonna be more than 19? Is the fight against the MP Evas just a recycled version of this?

>>116233667
Yeah, it presents an alternative perspective to the events shown.

>>116233723
Twisting the words won't change facts.

>>116233706
Except it's impossible to tell what's another soul in instrumentality or what's in Shinji's mind, no?

>>116233706
The only thing you get out of Gendo in 25 and 26 is him telling Rei it's time to go, which we also get in EoE.

>>116233723
>Gendo is with Yui and accepted in NGE
>Rejected in EoE

>Shinji makes paces with him in NGE
>Still mad at him and doesn't make paces with him in EoE

Nope. NGE is Gendo controlling Instrumentality.

Robin Williams won't be able to watch the ending.

;_;

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Did Anno really change Q's plot because of Madoka?

>>116233813
>Robin Williams won't be able to Anno rape Rei even more
He's the lucky one.

>>116233782
It's not Shinji's mind, retard, they are all together joined in the tang.

Gendo can't be there.

>>116233799

The difference is that Rei remains a puppet to Gendo in NGE.

>>116233813
Hw will never play Gendo in a live adaptation ;_;

Oh, look, the same delusional fag from the other thread who claims that EoE isn't canon!

>>116233723
>http://www.evamonkey.com/platinum-booklets/the-two-endings.php
>The two stories each unfold differently and arrive at their own climaxes. Episode Twenty-Five and the Final Episode tell the theme directly. And the other version, Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story. It is not that one is the complete version and the other is incomplete. Just like the multiple endings of a game, two different endings were prepared for one story.

>>116233806
The only thing we see of Gendo in 25 and 26 after Instrumentality starts are Shinji's constructs of him in his fantasies and Congratulations. That does not imply acceptance nor "making paces."

>>116233873
>Rei remains a puppet to Gendo in NGE.
You do not see that far in Episode 25; just her meeting with Gendo and Gendo saying it's time to start, which you also get in EoE. There's nothing to say she accepts to do what he says there.

>>116233827
Anno is just finnicky as hell when it comes to scripts.

>>116233813
He's not really dead, Anno just performed a contact experiment and transferred his soul into a real-life Eva.

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>>116233881

>>116233898
Yes, they arrive at different climaxes in that EoE has One More Final, which isn't included in 25 and 26. They also show differing events, as one shows the perspective inside characters minds' while the other shows the events of the real world.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

>>116234029
>The two stories each unfold differently
>two different endings were prepared for one story.

>>116233628
That's funny, trying to insult Rei. Rei was no puppet, like she herself pointed out. She did what she wanted to do.

Might as well want to say that Asuka remained NERV's and an unloved puppet to the end too.
Maybe that Kaworu was just another dead faggot angel humanity rid itself of in the end.
Why not also go the whole mile, that Misato was nothing more than a puppet the whole time, and that Ritsuko was little more than Gendo's sex toy?

You can go get fucked.

>>116234014
>seriously defending Anno turning the Rebuilds into the canonical sequels of NGE
>calls other people plebs

>>116234141
>Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story
Holy shit, these quotes are super convenient to proving points depending on which parts you look at!

>>116233813
He probably hasn't even seen the shitty rebuilds. He saw the true end when he watched eoe.

>>116233208
It will all make sense at the end, and it will be beautiful, ad it will be remembered as a fucking master piece ten years down the line. Do not forget that there was much autist rage during the end of the Eva broadcast and the movies. People thought Anno had ruined their beloved franchise and that he should have ended it the way /they/ wanted to end it./a/ is no different than the otaku from the 1990's. They just don't get it.

>>116234204
>two different endings were prepared for one story.

>two different endings

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Why can't I contain all this mad in this thread?

>>116234258
Yes anon, One More Final is a different ending than we see in the original ending. That makes it technically a different ending, allowing for 2 total different endings. All the other events remain the same.

Evangelion started on October 3, 1995, and ended on July 19, 1997.
This is the eternal and immutable truth.

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>>116234204
>quotes

>>116234343
>greentext

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>>116233484
He learned to love himself, he learned that he needs the others to live, the difference between reality and truth, etc, the same bullshit we see in EoE.
No, I'm not entering the debate if EoE is canon or not, but just like in One More Final, it's explicitly (or maybe not so explicit for some people) stated in NGE that he rejected Instrumentality.

>>116234291
Waifufags finally realizing their ships are getting blown the fuck out with the Rebuilds being canon.

>>116234291
Kaworufags being shitposters as usual.

>>116234433
>same bullshit we see in EoE.
>No, I'm not entering the debate if EoE is canon or not, but just like in One More Final, it's explicitly (or maybe not so explicit for some people) stated in NGE that he rejected Instrumentality.
How is separating himself from the great tang conducive to accepting others into his life?

>>116234233
Puh-lease. If you want to start a religion, then fucking do it instead of just play-pretend on /a/.

You sound like a mindless zealot going "oh it will all make sense in the end and it will be beautiful", jesus I hope you're trolling.

>>116234502
Because accepting Instrumentality and accepting tang is the death of the self, fusing all people into a single being at the cost of all individuality. There becomes no other to accept into your life.

>>116234502
How's it not? Are you dumb?

>>116234450
This, homophobes are just up in arms that Kawoshin is the OTP.

I hope Anno breaks their fantasies even more with 3.0+1.0.

>>116234014
Well, at least now I know for sure that you are the same one, and that there's only one Eva "fan" as retarded as you.

>>116234535
>jesus I hope you're trolling.
About half. Honestly I just want some people to have patience and self awareness.

>>116234145
>and that Ritsuko was little more than Gendo's sex toy
But that's true.

>>116234782
So are the parts about Asuka and Kaworu in NGE. But Rei was the one who wasn't a puppet, she had her own agenda going on for herself.

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>>116234869
>Asuka
Not necessarily. She found out her mother really did love her in the end.
>Kaworu
Sure, why not.
>Rei
Yes, she was also a puppet. The "agenda" she had going for her was merely Gendo's agenda, and then she saw through his bullshit and betrayed him. That's the whole point of her being called a "doll" and acting as Gendo's roll dog until Rei III came along.
I'll give you credit for being somewhat right, though. Rei III certainly had her own agenda.

>>116234640
You know, we, and everyone else who is critical do have self-awareness and do have patience.

That's why we don't compare what is effectively an "alternative/additive ending" that comes after 26 full episodes that are entirely self-contained, with a critical third part in a movie series.

3.0 was not an ending. It does not complete, fulfill or create characters that are good, and no matter at how you look at it, what 3.0 did was a step back.

3.0 leaves Rebuild to be lesser than it should have been, and what exactly can 3.0+1.0 do about that again?
EoE's only job is to finish up already finished characters. To add to greatness.

3.0+1.0 isn't adding to greatness.

>>116235024
Shit, didn't mean to post that pic

>>116235024
>Not necessarily. She found out her mother really did love her in the end.
Not in NGE. Even in EoE, she's still a puppet until the end (remember that using Asuka's mother is how NERV use Asuka as a puppet), and it's technically Rei and Shinji that save her ass as usual.

>Sure, why not.
Why not indeed.

>Yes, she was also a puppet. The "agenda" she had going for her was merely Gendo's agenda, and then she saw through his bullshit and betrayed him.
Not true, because that's a contradiction. Rei's agenda was always her own, and their agendas coincided in the beginning but quickly diverges. That's precisely why Rei doesn't hesitate at all to do what she wants.

>That's the whole point of her being called a "doll" and acting as Gendo's roll dog until Rei III came along.
Actually, the point of calling Rei a doll is to highlight Asuka's insecurities. The show, or the narrative never calls Rei a doll. It's just Asuka that gets outed by the narrative, and we get to know why later, it's because Asuka is a doll herself. She's just projecting.

Rei III is only different from Rei II insofar their memories differ somewhat. Plus the whole idea that it's a new body.

I don't know how some people still refuse to believe it even when the whole 'endless repetition' theme as been shoehorned into EVA since ever.

Every single work, the manga, the games, the anime, the rebuild, is in some way, canon, because EVA is a story about repetition, repetition till you get things right.

>>116235305
I guess we'll see another remake in 10-15 years then.

>>116235305
>I don't know how some people still refuse to believe it
Waifufags in denial basically.

>loopfags so delusional that they are saying EoE isn't canon and making up who started instrumentality to fit their agenda

Color me surprised. Don't listen to these fags.

>>116235305
>repetition till you get things right.
Everything was right before this "Rebuild" pile of shit. Things went wrong precisely with Rebuild.

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>>116235305
Because the original EVA or EoE never had that theme whatsoever. Not a single mention, not one foreshadowing nor one plot element regarding loops. The original EVA bases itself completely on the idea that it's happening linearly, once. That gives it it's power. That's what makes it feel real, what connects it to the real world for the viewer.

The manga only recently introduced it as a complete asspull near it's ending, with the manga being completely free from anything like it before.

When you say "shoehorned", you're more right than you know.

That said, it is of course right that "new EVA" includes loops in some form. I consider it a terrible thing, but of course some waifufags and husbandofags (kaworufags mostly) think it's fantastic since it benefits them directly and their fantasies.

As a gut-feeling, I find it likely that Rebuild will expand greatly on looping in the next installation or at least crystallize it more.
It's a terrible feeling, but I've given up on da builds.

>>116235381
>I guess we'll see another remake in 10-15 years then.
Revival of Rebuild of Evangelion when?

>>116235298
>Even in EoE, she's still a puppet until the end
I'd actually say that practically everyone in Eva was a puppet to Gendo/Seele until the end.

>Rei's agenda was always her own
if it was, Rei wouldn't have been so loyal to Gendo nor would she had followed his commands.
>coincided in the beginning but quickly diverges.
When do they diverge?
>That's precisely why Rei doesn't hesitate at all to do what she wants.
When do we see Rei ever do what she wants that infringed Gendo's orders? Aside from blowing herself up in episode 23, I can only recall her being obedient.

>Actually, the point of calling Rei a doll is to highlight Asuka's insecurities
I can attest to that.
>The show, or the narrative never calls Rei a doll
But it is implied, with how she's so obedient to Gendo. There's also the scene where she and Asuka were in the elevator and she admitted that she would even die for him. Afterwards is when Rei slowly begins to break away from the ideal that she's Gendo's puppet, but Rei III's arrival is where it really becomes evident.

REBUILD IS NOT CANON.

TV series + EoE is what made the EVA franchise what it is.

The rest is a bunch of dumbed-down action movies with retarded characters.

Also Anno involvement is minimal.

>>116235772
>Also Anno involvement is minimal.
Nigger the man secured funding for the entire thing himself.

>>116235562
>not Anima

1.0 was good, since it was practically the same thing

>>116235772
>Also Anno involvement is minimal.
I don't think so.

But anyway, why should we care about him anyway?

>>116235859
Because he's a hack.

>>116235719
Before NGE+EoE on blu-ray

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Reposting from another thread

I had a dream last night that Rei was pregnant with what basically amounted to the antichrist which was apparently so terrifying that Kaworu used the exact word "abomination" to describe it.

Another anon told me that it was Anno telepathically communicating the plot of 3.0+1.0 to me.

>>116235949
Not your blog.

>>116227377

I thought that was obvious after 2.22.

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>>116235757
>I'd actually say that practically everyone in Eva was a puppet to Gendo/Seele until the end.
Nah, because there's people who oppose him, or are completely aware of his shenanigans and actually consider that they are under control. That frees them from puppet-status. Some like Asuka never even think that far and just do his bidding until she goes crazy or dies.

>if it was, Rei wouldn't have been so loyal to Gendo nor would she had followed his commands.
Two things, Rei doesn't always follow his commands or do as he says. She does her own thing, even when Gendo might have reservations. Take pic related. Gendo does NOT approve of what Rei is doing.

The second, why wouldn't Rei be loyal or follow his commands? It benefits her, it benefits him, it benefits Shinji, Asuka, well literally everyone. Except the Angels of course, but who gives a fuck about them, they're enemies. Keeps them alive for another day.

However Rei dictates how she wants that done, and when Gendo is not interested in her any more or what she thinks is right, she's just going to abandon him and do what she wants.

>When do they diverge?
Since the beginning technically, as Rei points out to Asuka in the earlier episodes that she's not as favored as she implies, and later when she has to reconsider her relationships.
Rei isn't all for Gendo, remember it takes Gendo burning himself and proving that he cares at least somewhat for Rei for Rei to care.

>When do we see Rei ever do what she wants that infringed Gendo's orders? Aside from blowing herself up in episode 23, I can only recall her being obedient.
Pic related. But like you say, Rei is fairly obedient, but that example alone proves she's not just following orders.

cont

>>116235949
>But it is implied, with how she's so obedient to Gendo.
It's not implied. It's perhaps misunderstood. Because like you see yourself, Rei can reject Gendo or do as she wants as she pleases. Are you surprised that Rei would die if ordered to? 19 and 23 proves that she needs doesn't even need orders to do that, and would even like to do so even if it's against orders.

Hell the whole thing about Rei is that she's aware of what she can do, that is to say, DIE and come back. Asuka doesn't understand Rei. She never has, and never will over the course of the series. Even Rei has issues understanding herself completely. So Asuka takes Rei's autism and misinterprets it as mere obedience.

>>116235949
and I'm telling you to fuck right off.

I can't believe it's 2014 and y'all still arguing about the ending.

>>116236472
Eva threads never really change.

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All according to keikaku

>>116227377
When is he NOT fucking with his fanbase?

Anno can destroy Evangelion however he wants, I don't care. It will be bad only for him, who ridiculously turned a master piece into a master shit for no reason nor need.

Anyway, ASUKA BEST GIRL.

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>>116236605
>It will be bad only for him
These threads prove otherwise.

>>116229481
All I got when I saw it: individuality is painful, but accepting the pain makes it worthwhile. Same with interactions with people.
Dealing with pain is necessary for adulthood, shinji basically became an adult at that point. As did Asuka I guess based on the last two episodes but it's never confirmed.
People hide their true selves to avoid being hurt, like Pirandelli masks (took Italian in high school)... and I think that is it from my first time. Haven't seen EoE in years

>>116227639
is 2chan any good?

>>116236787
Yup, basically. I have no idea why people still have a hard time wrapping their heads around the film.

>>116236956
Because people have a difficult time watching and paying attention to things for 24 minutes at a time, so they miss things that are explicitly told to you, and then the turn to /a/ asking to be spoonfed opinions because they're too stupid to form their own.

>>116236956
People are always more confused about the pictures they see than the message they convey. The MPEs, GNR, the live action, the Black Moon, etc.

>>116235823
1.0 was the same thing but with fucking horrible pacing. Obviously movies can't take 10 hours to reveal stuff like shows can but they pretty much destroyed the impact of a lot of things by revealing them so quickly and nonchalantly.

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>>116235949

>>116236928
It's like if all of 4chan had a thick layer of /pol/. Browse /v/ for a bit if you want a better idea.

>>116237540
That sounds terrible.

>>116237540
>It's like if all of 4chan had a thick layer of /pol/
I was about to say that's already the case, but it hasn't been that way for at least three years.

>>116237601
You mean for 2chan or 4chan? Because /pol/ is definitely has it's own culture.

>>116237109
this. I'm >>116236787
and my biggest hurdle was overthinking it. Especially since the "individuality be good" shit seemed so trite and obvious

>>116229228
It's a Thelemite gospel. Shinji is the Beast and Asuka is Babalon.

>>116233721
24 Angels, 12 would came from the moon at the same time.

this guy:
>>116233552
is actually right, Anno pretty much described a couple days ago how Misato and the others must be doing on their own after Third Impact.

>>116233433
thats nitpicking, he just said that its another conclusion, without any specifics, not that Im going to enter that discussion, but I dont see any details in those words

>>116234583

Hell no, I'm a Kawoshin shipper and I dislike Rebuild and I wish it never happened. Rebuild was the worst that could happen to Eva.

>>116234299

So Shinji gets out but Asuka doesn't? That might explain why Soryuu doesn't exist in Rebuild.

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>>116229228

>>116239200
Yeah right.

>>116239252
No, and there is no logic in that statement.

1. 26 only shows Shinji's perspective. We don't get to see Asuka's therapy session or anyone else's.
2. Anyone can return, we just only ever see 2. We don't know how long it takes or who all comes back.
3. If you were going to assume that only Shinji returns, then nobody else would exist, and if you think Rebuild is a continuation of EoE, then only Shinji would remain and everyone else would have new names and shit.

>>116239051
I'm neither of those, but if Anno wanted to do a sequel, it doesn't mean he's doing a good job of it, or that the sequel he made is good.

You do seem to have some insight into Evangelion, and I'd like for you to respond and be honest:

Isn't Anno appropriating his most famous IP to merely pander a specific otaku vision of it? That seems to be the purpose of these new Rebuild movies. He is looking at his own work, then at his own interests as a "fan", and then changing the canon to suit that.

It's not that he's making a simple sequel or remake that does the characters and setting he made justice, because as I'm sure you can tell Rebuild does some of them grave injustices.

Since I'm sure you know of Anno's sensibilities, what he praises about his own work, directly what he likes, doesn't this add up perfectly? Don't limit this to Anno, I'm sure I've seen the others like Tsurumaki share that kind of sensibility.

>>116239373

I like the pairing because it's supernatural/human and now they are trying to sell Shinji as Rei or Kaworu tier and that's bullshit.

>>116239611
Kaworu was always bottom-tier. Especially compared to Rei and Shinji.

You're getting exactly what you want, supernatural/human, and maybe you've grown old enough to see how shallow it is.

I haven't watched the rebuilds yet? Should I just go watch 1-3 now or should I wait until 3+1 comes out and watch all 4 at once?

>>116239929
Go for it. 3.0+1.0 is coming out until 2016 at the earliest.

>>116239929
Don't bother. They're a disgrace to the original.

>>116227377
Wait, so all the stuff that people here have been speculating on about Rebuild being a sequel has officially been confirmed as true?

Is OP's picture an official picture from Khara?

>>116240128
Yes.

>>116240128
>on about Rebuild being a sequel has officially been confirmed as true?
No. OP's image doesn't even confirm anything.

why people keep argueing over anime from 20 years ago?
its kinda history as WW2 to me.

>>116240288
We're arguing over the sequels of a 20 year old anime now.

>A story of repetitions
>3.0+1.0
He's basically going to start it with the end of the current iteration, go into the rebuilding process and end it with first scene series/movies.

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>>116240128
http://www.evangelion.co.jp/

>>116240128
it confirms more of the rights to the original series are now held by khara instead of gainax

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>YFW 3.0 was a prequel to 1.0

>>116242383
>yfw 3.0 was garbage

>>116227377
I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

Of course rebuild is a sequel as much as a retelling. It continues the series in a new direction doesn't it?

>>116243588
>It continues the series
No, it doesn't continue it. It goes back to the start and goes a different direction.

>>116227377
I see Asuka's colors what do you guys see?

>>116243824
I see Asuka and Rei.

>>116243824
Black hair like Shinji (?)
Red hair like Mari.
Orange hair like Asuka.
Cyan hair like Rei.
White hair like Kaworu.

>>116243756
So is OP trying to say that after the end of the TV series or EOE, the next thing that happens is... Rebuild? Because that makes 0 sense.

>>116244757
Who the fuck knows what OP is trying to say. There isn't any logic to it; he just wants to claim "HEY GUYS IT'S A SEQUEL" but doesn't want to put forward any actual logic or argument with it, which is standard among most people who think the same.

You get to keep one angel as a pet. The angel you choose is the size of your hand. Which one do you choose?

>>116239473
I think that the new films are severly lacking in almost every aspect that made the original good, however, as time passes not only it starts to show how the movies dont turn exactly how Anno was thinking at the beggining (sorry to beat the Ohtsuki horse again, but remember when he said that this time there wouldnt be any texts on screen since that was SO 90´s?, Anno came out later saying that he realized they werent doing eva right if they werent doing what eva was...), but japanese fans have started saying the words "eva cant be done today" because of things like how censored EoE was last month on tv, and even the new films had cuts( even fanservice cuts!), and even if Anno has (supossedly) the final say on production, his own ideas were discarded when they confronted Ohtsuki, who does want make eva as commercial as possible, and the least dangerous as well, (he said that Anno would never do a sex scene with him around), but this was until Anno got creative control from the third film on(or so he says now).

Personally, the pandering aspect was mostly true with the second film in my opinion and it was on purpose to convey something(but it couldnt since the movie is a mess), and Ill tell you what I really think:

Anno is doing whatever shit he is doing, but he doesnt want to cater to any specific "Otaku" here is the proof: He cares so much little about..lets say my opinion of the film, that he prefers to satisfy his money-hungry friend rather than to fight with him and make a film I can enjoy more.

I also found somewhat stupid to call pandering the Shinji and Kaworu interaction in 3.0, I mean, all those who went with "FEELZ" images about not having an angel husbando like Kaworu will never have a friend that cares that much for them if they start calling him gay. But of course, some people here are too Alpha to have any male friends I suppose...

>>116244757
Some people are trying to make the argument that EOE is no longer canon, so the series officially ends with episode 26 of NGE which means that everyone is technically in instrumentality still, from which the Rebuilds could spring I suppose.

For the most part it just sounds like people are reading way too much into very sparse amounts of information and trying to get everyone to jump on board the hype train.

>>116245865
Not to mention the fact that the Eva site changes so fucking often that it's completely unreliable for any information about what's coming up. They've had release dates and now wrong titles up many times in the past.

>>116245148
>here is the proof: He cares so much little about..lets say my opinion of the film, that he prefers to satisfy his money-hungry friend rather than to fight with him and make a film I can enjoy more.

This isn't proof. It's conjecture. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. It's an objective truth that the discrepancy between Rebuild and NGE consistently favor a specific otaku viewpoint.

Every plot point, moment and revelation has only one and one purpose thus far. Every bit about the auxilliary characters, them being Misato, Rei, Asuka, Kaworu etc... tell you a positive thing or a negative thing, especially through the lens of otaku.

I do not believe Ohtsuki has anything to do with this. He does not write the movie, nor does he own it. He is a producer and might have influence, but it is entirely unreasonable to believe that Ohtsuki is somehow responsible for every single thing in these movies.

Hideaki Anno is the man to credit and criticize, he is listed as the writer and director. Not Ohtsuki.

Cutting to the chase for a concrete example, how do you explain the discrepancy of the portrayals of the characters? Japanese fans on day one of the release of 3.0 were pointing this out, and still are.
Consider the two major female characters, Asuka and Rei. Forget Kaworu for a moment.

How do you explain that Asuka is at every turn glorified and cleansed of flaws and negative traits the original had, while Rei is consistently played down as a weaker version of the original? Rebuild Rei knows nothing, does nothing, has a lesser Evangelion and is in a word, a travesty. On the opposite end, Asuka is far more involved in the higher level plot than ever before, gets lots of fanservice and flattering scenes.

Now look at what Anno thinks of these two, before Rebuild. He cites Asuka as his favorite, and claims no emotional attachment to Rei and is disappointed whenever she is brought up.
There is a consistency. There are far more.
Reply in the archive.

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The entire loop/sequel theory is just a take on the four worlds (sometimes five worlds) within Kabbalah spirituality. Making the Eva-verse not a series of loops or alternate dimensions, but reincarnations of previous worlds, where the characters change, or learn from outcomes of their previous lives in some way.

Yamashita refers to Anima as the "third world" in this retrospect, and Anno had informed Yamashita some important details regarding Eva's future, before 1.0 was in production.

>>116246122
>Yamashita refers to Anima as the "third world" in this retrospect
So where does this place the Rebuilds and NGE? What worlds do they occupy?

>>116246162
I'd assume NGE is the original, with other iterations being reincarnations of it

>>116246219
So why is Anima considered to be the "third" world then if worlds can branch off in no particular order?

>>116246122
You do realize that Anno or anyone else on the team doesn't give one flying fuck about Kabbalah besides exploiting it's aesthetics?

>>116246261
Obviously because another iteration is in between NGE and Anima, but who knows what that is? It could be the manga, or it could be Rebuild.

>>116239275
Thank you.

>>116246122
>within Kabbalah spirituality
Wait so Anno really is a jew? Good goyim.

>>116246270
Yeah, I believe it was Tsurumaki who said that crap, not Anno himself. And Tsurumaki doesn't give a single shit about anything as long as it involves pandering in some way or form.

Anno on the other hand isn't exactly like that. While the symbolism isn't all too deep, it does have offer ties and clues pertaining to the narrative development. Moreso in the Rebuilds then the EoE or the show.

>>116246472
>Anno on the other hand isn't exactly like that.
Which you have absolutely zero source or citation for.

I think you're just a case of someone finding patterns and answers where there are non. You've constructed this lie that the Rebuilds and Evangelion is at the heart a perfect respectation of religious mythos, and not just one but multiple ranging from gnosticism, orthodox judaism and now the Kabbalah.

The truth is that everything in these movies has no consistent link with any of the above, save for exploiting the aesthetics. There is a great sense of mystery in religion, and by tapping into the aesthetics they replicate that mystery.

In a sense, they even validate the work (for some) because they have a belief in said religion or at least an interest.

To claim any sort of consistent link or connection with these religions, you would have to borrow from all of them, even parts which contradict. You'd literally just be picking concepts, symbols and names that match, and you know why that is?

Because that is what the people making Evangelion has done, they paid no attention to following the plot, and everything in these movies, in drafts and what went on in the original, carries no link to religion besides aesthetic.

>>116245977
if you want my opinion, you need to be more specific, I mean, I dont know if you are talking about the movies in general or 3.0, as you seem to talking about 2.0, and Im referring to this.

In the series: Asuka can be considered as a character with some flaws and traits, just the same as Rei, Shinji, Gendou, Misato and everyone, because even if one can consider it was done in an unsuccesful way, the objective of the staf was to portray reailistic characters that have flaws and negative traits like any human being, Rei wasnt perfect in any sense of course, that was on the minds of people who idealized the character in an unrealistic way, she didnt do that much in the series either past certain point because she only was a plot device for Shinji and Gendou´s relationship, all her character arc was effectively rebooted after episode 6, and she only obeyed orders from that point on until the character was revealed to be completely irrelevant and not even human, more so, expendable, this is why Rei3 is such a contradicting character, she is portrayed in the series as being completely different from Rei2, but in the movie, she finally seems to have more in common with Rei 2 that the looks of it.

Now, in the movies: Im gonna have to side witth the people that consider that 2.0 did feed to some people´s horses, I mean, not only Asuka is pretty much free of any realistic flaw, in the proccess she also is unrealistically idealized in comparison of the series on regards to her relationship with Shinji, like, all the movie is centered in how this girls are desperate to win this kids attention to an extent that seems a joke on the series, and Rei, well, she is completely different from the series, the most simple way to describe the character in 2.0 is "Rei is perfect, Rei cares for you even if you dont know, Rei wouldnt get jealous of other girls and their relationship with you (something that Asuka does), and she will cut herself to cook for you, she is pure,

>>116245115
Zeruel. I could use its mini lasers to boil things for me and the toilet-paper arms to peel and slice my fruits.

>>116245977
if you want my opinion, you need to be more specific, I mean, I dont know if you are talking about the movies in general or 3.0, as you seem to talking about 2.0, and Im referring to this.

In the series: Asuka can be considered as a character with some flaws and traits, just the same as Rei, Shinji, Gendou, Misato and everyone, because even if one can consider it was done in an unsuccesful way, the objective of the staf was to portray reailistic characters that have flaws and negative traits like any human being, Rei wasnt perfect in any sense of course, that was on the minds of people who idealized the character in an unrealistic way, she didnt do that much in the series either past certain point because she only was a plot device for Shinji and Gendou´s relationship, all her character arc was effectively rebooted after episode 6, and she only obeyed orders from that point on until the character was revealed to be completely irrelevant and not even human, more so, expendable, this is why Rei3 is such a contradicting character, she is portrayed in the series as being completely different from Rei2, but in the movie, she finally seems to have more in common with Rei 2 that the looks of it.

Now, in the movies: Im gonna have to side witth the people that consider that 2.0 did feed to some people´s horses, I mean, not only Asuka is pretty much free of any realistic flaw, in the proccess she also is unrealistically idealized in comparison of the series on regards to her relationship with Shinji, like, all the movie is centered in how this girls are desperate to win this kids attention to an extent that seems a joke on the series, and Rei, well, she is completely different from the series, the most simple way to describe the character in 2.0 is "Rei is perfect, Rei cares for you even if you dont know, Rei wouldnt get jealous of other girls and their relationship with you (something that Asuka does), and she will cut herself to cook for you, she is pure,

>>116247607

I agree then 3.0 appears to slap those fabricated waifus and replace them with ragging bitch and emotionless doll.

Wait, if the rebuilds are a sequel, what happened to Asuka and Shinji from EoE? Did they just die on that beach?

Is Mari their daughter?

>>116247908
They're not a sequel.

Sory for duplicate reply, really, my computer had a problem and just now the page is displaying any reply from ten minutes ago.
>>116247607
The most unrealistic thing about Rei 2 is that she can bew saved after being eaten by an Angel, now, that said, and also with what I wrote in my earlier (double)post, I cant really see how someone would consider in any way that the movie doesnt pander really hard at everyone, but more so at "Rei fans" that cant see that for some strange reason Rei is a goddess of goodness incarnate and that they keep victimizing even after saying that "SHE WON THE SHINJIBOWL", and Asuka has it a lot worse in that film and I havent see anyone going on about it like with Rei in 3.0. Yes 2.0 did pander hard.

Now in 3.0 Rei actually has more screentime than Asuka, who we only seen fighting and being mean with Shinji, and in all this time she acts more in character with the series than with 2.0, thats good in my book.

But if you were talking about Rei in 3.0, I dont get it either, weaker? She is not much worse than the original Rei 3, does nothing? she did more than Rei 2 in 2.0 by helping Gendou in his plan and getting Shinji. Lesser Eva? that must be joke right?, an eva with the body of a god that can regenerate compared to a prototype that was always being injured in the original and in the other movies.

I cant explain something I dont understand, why it must matter to me that Rei is however she is?, or Asuka?, If the characters are as uninterestingly idealised as in 2.0, I certainly dont give a damn whatever happens to them

>>116247908

One more Final isn't canon. Asuka never returned.

>>116248286
Shut the fuck up.

>>116247908
No one said its a sequel, themost similar thing is that a couple days ago Anno talked a little about how originally they were going to do a sequel to EoE, but didnt end up happening, some aspects of the idea have been obviously implemented in the actual setting of the new movies

>>116248081
>The most unrealistic thing about Rei 2 is that she can bew saved after being eaten by an Angel


Because Shinji made that happen, and Shinji isn't human in Rebuild.

i always post in eva threads because i've devoted more time of my life to this series than pretty much anything else, but i'm just too fucking tired

has anyone else started to lose the flame of passion for arguing about eva?

>>116248668
The majority just want to yell about people liking what they don't like or general waifus lately, and there's nothing fun about that. Sometimes there are pretty nice threads, though.

>>116248668
I did with Rebuild. You can't have a long-lasting decent discussion about it without opinions and waifushit wars ruining every thread.

How about Shinji went crazy and rebooted the world, but not perfectly. So thing happenes again, but a bit different this time?

>>116231196
They could have just thought that red water looks cool. That's not s devising factor that it's a sequel.

>>116248805
See>>116231416
>The most commonly used one is the idea that Shinji became a god, so then he just decided to keep certain geographic elements the same while resetting everything else for no fucking reason, but this both misrepresents the control Shinji had in Instrumentality - he really just had the option to continue it or abort - and begs the question as a theory, presupposing that it's a sequel as its premise.

>>116248754
I mean, I think the theories and speculation about Rebuild are interesting, but what always happens is there's 10-11 people in a thread who seriously want to discuss it, and the rest are newfag retards who can't understand EoE without that fucking image. It's kind of sad, really, but it makes me excited for FINAL, just because it'll be something NEW to argue about.

But i know i'm going to come back tomorrow and read the thread after it's 404'd

>>116248858
High chance it's this. Rebuild's Shinji has either become some kind of FAR-tier being after 2.0 or was a FAR seed from the beginning. Place him in an Eva and he can start an impact out of sheer will, his wish partially and potentially determining the outcomes of the said impact. The Final movie will probably have him magically fixing earth's fucked ecosystem or something.

>>116249097
The problem is you have to assume a hell of a lot just to make that seem plausible. It's something to consider, but as a theory it holds very little ground.

I just thought I'd ask here. I want to buy EoE on DVD and I was wondering which edition I should buy. Also are there plans for a new release of EoE?

>>116249179
Not really. They tell you his awakening was written and predicted from the Dead Sea Scrolls in the first movie. That alone is a huge red flag answer for angel or FAR seed.

>>116249248
Christ, this is what I'm talking about. These people are so fucking stupid and they can't do anything on their own.

Why did you not just google that? I know for a fact there's TWO threads on EvaGeeks that go into specific detail about the differences between each release of Eva

>>116232913
Anno will log into Adeptus Evangelion under a meta name and claim that he is running an Eva RPG and is having trouble concluding his campaign. He'll apologize for his English and say that his players are sort of losing interest and that he would like for the conclusion to have an emotional impact.
He'll also ask what is the general opinion about, um, gay sex in games and how to implement it in a non-comedic way.

>>116233813
He killed himself because he knew he wouldnt resist the urge and would end up watching the movie he knows is gonna be shit

>>116249368
The Manga entertainment one.

Best DVD menu screen by far (starts at 1:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay174Yvnx7s

>>116227377
What the fuck is with the numbering system? Is it just pretentious shit or does it mean something?

>>116249502
Wrong guy, dipshit.

>>116249248
Why the fuck would you even want EoE on DVD? It looks like shit, and the only way to get it is secondhand.

why didnt they just get three reis to pilot three evas

>>116249576
Rei doesn't have a parent and the evas function better when they have a mentally unstable child pilot controlling the souls of their deceased mothers.

>>116249502
If you use firefox, right click and select "copy vid URL at current time".

>>116235949
My own from a week ago:

Conference room with bright halogen lights. Everything is pale green or flat white. We've just moved from our old office into a new facility. My boss is talking, me and another two or three people are doing the listening part.
"With this new facility and the recent increase in our budget, I'll see to it that any reasonable desire the pilots express is taken care of.", the boss man says.
"Director? Sir?", I get his attention, "In that case, my desire is to become a comedian. And not an Eva pilot."

Later that week a news reporter came to the facility to make a story about my workplace. He saw me just as I was putting on a plugsuit. I didn't become a comedian after all.

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Can anyone actually form a real argument as to why the Rebuilds are bad? The only reason I can imagine why people would hate it so much is a misplaced sense of "it's not as deep". Nigger, the characters have already been examined to fuck and back, why does choosing not to do it again make Rebuild shit?

It honestly just seems like people think it's bad because other people say it is.

>>116250353
>It honestly just seems like people think it's bad because other people say it is.
That is a big reason. Other reasons: people wanted NGE in HD, people don't understand the narrative structure of Rebuild, or people or pissed because their waifu got shit on. Those are the primary reasons for most of the hate.

Oh I was about to make a thread on this so I guess I can just post it here:

What exactly was the ending of EoE?
Is it why the series gets praised so much?

I didnt feel any closure or joy that the series was wrapped up, it just kinda felt like a shitty drop off.

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>>116250605
This thread is a story of repetition!

>>116250605

Nevermind the first point, I just read the tang chart
sorry /a/nons

>>116250353
It's fanfiction.