I want to see a Dune adaptation in the style of Five Star Stories.
One major thing is getting Paul's character right. The low budget Sci-Fi series really fucked him up in my eyes by making him so rash and angry when the book had him very cold and detached in the beginning. The Lynch movie actually had a great cast and great sets, it just tried to condense the story in dumb ways and the changes to what the "weirding way" is was dumb.
The time of getting an actual good Dune anime adaptation is past though IMO. the old super detailed cel based animation style of the late 80s and early 90s would have been perfect for it, as would the format of an OVA series like LOGH or even a shorter OVA series like Arslan.
I would love to see an anime based on any of these Heinlein books,Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I'd also love to see pretty much anything by Vonnegut, especially Slaughterhouse and Breakfast of Champions. Asimov's Foundation and Empire would be cool as well, I'd love to see that magnificent bastard Bel Riose.
>>116117817 >The year is 1914 and Europe, armed with futuristic machines and biotechnology, is on the precipice of war. Prince Aleksandar is fleeing for his life, having discovered that his parents have been assassinated and he is now a target for the Clanker Powers, a group determined to take over the globe with their mechanical machinery. When he meets Deryn Sharpe, an orphan girl who has disguised herself as a boy so she can to join the British Air Service, they form an uneasy, but necessary, alliance. But the pair will soon discover that their emerging friendship will dramatically change their lives - and the entire course of the Great World War...
>>116117000 I'd simply love to see that series done like Bahamut, visually. I want my animated Quick Ben and Sapper Squads blowing shit to bits.
As for novels I'd like to see done, Zelazny's stuff comes to mind. Lord of Light would make for glorious material, with an inspired director behind it. And his Amber Chronicles would work well too, Corwin's half at least.
>>116118236 I actually just bought a big compilation of Zelazny's Amber stuff. I've never read anything by him, but I've heard good things. I didn't realize that the Amber Chronicles book I bought was all 10 volumes and comes out to like 1300 pages though, going to take forever to read through all of it.
The Night's Dawn trilogy would be great but it would have to be 4 cour at the very minimum to be worth a damn. Come to think of it I think it actually has a few more named characters than even LoGH. The Al Capone arc at New California would be fantastic to see animated.
>>116117735 I really enjoyed the series and the art was pretty cool as well. Even though we didn't see much ground combat in the novels Steampunk and Dieselpunk mechs fighting Biopunk fabricated creatures very cool to see.
>>116117151 Live-action Dune movies will always portray Paul as too old and too tall. An anime might, maybe, probably not but it would be good to give it a try, do a half-decent job of adapting the first book. There's no way Leto II ever gets a good adaptation.
>>116117521 The Forever War is getting a live-action film soon.
>>116118410 And giving it some more thought they'd have to get the rights for The Judas Kiss and/or My Apocalypse for Dexter Quinn's theme song. They're both perfect, though I don't know how they'd handle the first satanic rape ritual scene. It's pretty brutal but actually vital to the plot. Anyway it would probably be the most expensive anime ever made. >>116118538 I could've fucking swore that did get an adaptation with a different name. Maybe I'm just full of shit.
>>116117000 Nah, it'd be pretty bad. Erikson's books are a perfect example of a story that's good only on pages. Put it to the screen and it becomes (more of a) snorefest. Sanderson's books might work though.
>>116118390 I know the compilation you're talking about. At first it seems overwhelming, but his style is easy to get into and you'll burn through it in no time. A real shame Zelazny died before he could finish the whole epic. The 2 main story arcs that we got are pretty self contained, but there was more to come from what I've read.
>>116118699 But still Lolita is what introduces Loli to japs
>The novel is notable for its controversial subject: the protagonist and unreliable narrator, a 37-to-38-year-old literature professor called Humbert Humbert, is obsessed with the 12-year-old Dolores Haze, with whom he becomes sexually involved after he becomes her stepfather. "Lolita" is his private nickname for Dolores.
>>116118684 If you go with Sanderson, I think his Stormlight saga will work better as an animu. Power armors, slumbering superpowers and wisp like waifus. It's practically screaming "Japan, take me and animate me!".
>>116118791 You're an idiot. The Fremen are savages, that's the whole fucking point. Paul fails in the end because he can't keep them from chimping out, he dies shortly after becoming Emperor, Jessica is one of the most competent individuals in the book. Paul's own son ends up accomplishing what Paul feared most.
>>116118312 I think Ender's Game/Shadow would work better as anime but I'd love to see Jane animated.
>>116118524 Yeah, having a child actor who isn't cringeworthy is very hard, especially for a role like Paul. Still, they didn't need to make him so whiny in the Sci-Fi miniseries. I like Kyle MacLachlan a lot so I didn't mind him as Paul at all.
>>116118538 This. >>116118609 >I could've fucking swore that did get an adaptation with a different name. I don't know any other Lolita adaptions than the two movies, both of which had middle-aged Lolita, the first suffering from James Mason being old and creepy instead of old-worldly and Peter Sellers being Peter Sellers - and the second, with a perfect cast being directed by the guy who gave the world Indecent Proposal and Flashdance.
>>116116407 Not really /a/ related, but does Dune ever get good? I heard a lot of good things about it, and I've always liked reading sci-fi and fantasy, but I had to drop the first Dune book less than a quarter of the way through because I couldn't stand the horribly over the top way the author describes every single fucking interaction, and just how FUCKING INCREDIBLE his stupid shitty MC is.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the writing style changes over time, or if it's not worth bothering if I felt like gagging when reading it.
>>116116513 I don't think Hyperion is going to work in an animated / real-action medium. If anyone didn't read the series - even if you don't usually read books - go and read it. you'll thank me later.
>>116119310 That's weird then, because it's obviously highly critically acclaimed and popular. But when you have characters literally falling out of their fucking chairs every page because Paully Stue made some stupid observation it makes me want to chuck it in the trash.
>>116119461 >Damn, /a/'s full of mentally retarded children. Who would have guessed?
I'm open to discussion on whether or not I should pick Dune back up. I get there's a reason why so many people like it, I'm just having a hard time seeing it. I also can appreciate that the world is probably great once you get into it, but I can't get over the way characters interactions are so forced and over the top. It just feels awkward and unnatural (again, at least for the first 1/4 of the first book.)
>>116119401 That doesn't really make sense to me, since I like a lot of classic sci fi novels, and found them to be better written than this.
>>116119310 >>116119378 >>116119243 Dune is incredible. Absolutely incredible. But if you don't like completely ridiculous cheesy sci-fi don't read it. It really does get almost pulp. However, the sheer scale of the story and the universe portrayed, all of the different characters and motivations and factions - it is an extremely well put together and somehow convincing universe. Not to mention it works as a cheesy pulp space opera, or if you want to be pretentious, look at it as some sort of commentary on the environment and not only humanity's impact on it but the environment's impact on people. I could go on. It is great.
The first book, that is. I love most of the preceding books actually written by Frank Herbert but they get even more absurd and I can't really begin to imagine any deeper meaning in them. Still love them, though.
Not as an anime, but I'd fucking love to see Suzuki Nakaba do a manga adaption of The 3 Musketeers and The Man In The Iron Mask in his current style from NnT. D'Artagnan, Athos, Porthos, Aramis, moe Claudette, Richelieu looking like old Helbram and all of this in his over the top style. It would be such a perfect fit.
>>116119605 Thanks for the detailed response. Maybe I'll try picking it up again once I'm through my book list and see if I'm able to get into it more the second time around. I don't mind cheesy really, in fact, knowing that might make me able to bear how some of the characters act if I go into it knowing that's a thing.
>>116119543 Sure I can. It was the first and remains one of the best science fiction books centered around ecology. The pacing of the book is good, Herbert does an excellent job of bringing the society of the Fremen, Dune overall, and the power struggle between the Emperor, the Landsraad, the Spacing Guild, and the Bene Gesserit (and later the Tleilax) to life. The characters aren't all archetypes (or at least they weren't when they were written), and the ones that were archetypes, such as Paul, didn't magically change from young adults into superhero God Emperors overnight. The future universe being devoid of AI and instead reliant on human brains was also unique.
>>116119536 It's a pretty straightforward story, though. Loser cruises Dublin while his wife is screwing some other guy. It's the ever changing and clashing styles that make it complicated. And the thousands of cultural references.
I'd love to see Yuasa doing some Mindgame-magic to it. 18 episodes, one for every chapter. Would be glorious.
>>116118791 Sure, Paul Atreides is a Mary Sue, what with his ability to access all of his ancestral memories instead of just the female ones, but I'm not going to hold that against the author because Paul lived miserably and died horribly. >>116118874 Again, I can forgive the author because Leto II's life was boring, miserable, and he refused to save himself from death. >>116118922 >Savages They are a group of people that lived in the wilds of a death-world for millennia and they were marginalized by every planetary ruler they had until the most recent one turned out to be their prophesied savior. They aren't savages, but trying to prevent a group like that from conquering after millennia of oppression would be fucking impossible. And Paul didn't fear the rule of the golden tyrant coming to pass, he feared BECOMING the golden tyrant because it would mean misery and boredom for thousands of years. He viewed it as a fate worse than death, but a role that was likely necessary for the survival of the human race. >>116118967 lawl
>>116119819 That's not even the problem. /lit/ is an alright board sometimes, but all of the shitty philosophy threads and shitposting really ruin things. It's really hard to actually have threads about ANYTHING without someone chiming in with "start with the Greeks" or other meme tier posts.
>>116119920 No, Paul definitely feared the golden tyrant coming to pass. He was too worried about oppressing humanity and didn't want the entire species to suffer in order to insure it's survival. That's why Paul's ultimately a failure and his son is the God Emperor the universe needed, not the one it deserved.
>>116116802 I won't claim to have seen ABP, but I have literally seen no discussion for that show, that hasn't been about how hot the girls are, or how much people want to bang any number of the girls.
So, I'm honestly curious, whats so great about the series outside of the fanservice?
>>116119587 Off the top of my head I can say Stanislaw Lem, Urusula Le Guin, Kurt Vonnegut, Phillip K Dick are all pretty well respected in literary circles. If its good its good. There's not some conspiracy against genre writers most of them are just bad sorry.
>>116119930 I don't have the book anymore since I was borrowing so I can't really write a direct quote. But what bugged me was that anytime Paul was talking with people in the first few chapters, there was just way way way too much internal monologue. And you see every bodies internal monologues at once which gets tedious. But the main problem I had, was that every single thing the characters though was incredibly exaggerated. Paul would say "Oi, that's a fukin box ya gab!" and someone would spend a whole paragraph detailing how their mind was so fucking blown by the fact that this boy was so incredibly intelligent that he had made such an amazing statement.
This of course, would be fine if he actually was making profound statements, or at least making them infrequently. But it was constant. Got really fucking tiring and annoying reading about people falling out of their chairs because someone made a basic observation.
Oh, and there was another chapter where the stereotypical monstrously fat fuck bad guy was describing his evil plan, and that scene had the same problem, which excessive, overly exaggerated internal monologue coming from every character in the room.
I dunno, I didn't dig it for those reasons, but I might have gone into it expecting the wrong thing.
The complete Franz Kafka short stories and novellas done by the same guy who did A Country Doctor. Gormenghast by SHAFT Dark Tower by Madhouse Dune by Ghibli or Sunrise Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel I Am A Cat The Forever War by Sunrise Something Wicked This Way Comes by Kyoani Snowcrash The Odyssey Brave New World and 1984 as feature films His Dark Materials The Road Lovecraft's works
I'd like to see a bunch of classical Japanese stuff like Mishima turned into anime too.
>>116118919 Stormlight Archive isn't going to be done for a decade or two though. I think he has something like ten books in mind for the series, and book two just got released not too long ago.
>>116118728 I could see it being animated as a sort of aura emanating from the Buffers/dampeners/whatever the fuck they were called. Not to mention the fact that Mistborn has some top class action scenes that would translate very well to anime, if they were given to someone who could pull it off and enough funding to do it. Like say, Ufotable.
>>116120186 That's not the first fourth of the book, that's the first twenty pages or so. But since I have the book right here, I checked and the first time anyone is surprised by Paul's observations is on page 10, by which time he's already made at least two if not three stupid comments that were ridiculed. He then gets credited with another brilliant observation on page 12, but if you keep reading the series it becomes clear that observation is not entirely accurate. So two instances where Paul makes people think he's a genius, one of which he isn't actually right. And they are pretty sharp observations for him to be making.
You need everyone's internal monologue otherwise you'd have no clue why they were saying what they were saying. I'd rather read people's internal monologues than have unnecessary speech by characters that had no reason to say anything.
If by page 186 you still hate it, you probably won't like it.
>The 31st century. Ulysses is the Captain of the spaceship Odysseus, directed by the central computer Shyrka. As a a gift for his son's Telemaque's 12th birthday, Ulysses takes him on a space journey for the first time. Telemaque is kidnapped by aliens who need a child sacrifice to their god - a giant cyclope, who is discovered to be a machine, of which the aliens, of course, are not aware. Ulysses saves his son, along with a little girl, Themis, and her older brother. As a punishment for such an intervention, the Great Gods of the mysterious Olympus punish him, freezing all Ulysses's staff, leaving him alone on the ship with Telemaque and Themis. The way back to Earth is erased from Shyrka's memory. Now Ulysses has to find the Kingdom of Hades in order to discover the way home. Ulysses's journey and adventures are parallelled to those of his ancestor, the Ancient Greek Ulysses, though "translated" into the Outer Space. The question of who actually the Olympus Gods are is raised.
>>116118798 Yea he meant it to be a screen play,the rest are proper novels and utilize the story telling medium a lot more efficiently. Favorite Fantasy series by a mile. 2nd one is good, it takes a tiny step back on the 3rd and then really hits it's stride on the 4th book.
I read up until they were about to land on the planet. There was the sword fight with his instructor and he wasn't sure if homie was trying to off him. Maybe it felt longer than it was, but yeah, in my first post I said less than 1/4 (and just got lazy and said 1/4 through in later posts).
>I'd rather read people's internal monologues than have unnecessary speech by characters that had no reason to say anything. I see what you're saying, but to me it feels like the same thing. It's just another way to "tell, not show".
>If by page 186 you still hate it, you probably won't like it. Alright, like I mentioned earlier, when I'm done my other books I'll try it again, but can you sort of see what I mean when I say that everyone seems to boost their reactions to things? I was using Paul's observations as an example, but I feel like it's pretty consistent throughout the chapters that I read.
The universe Herbert's trying to describe needs a lot of time to get set up, because it is all relevant to the plot. It's worth the build-up. Anyway, good luck, hope it's better the second time around.
Do you really want a Game of Thrones anime bringing in a bunch of normalfags to ruin what we've got going on here? It was worse when Naruto and Shingeki drew in those sorts of people just imagine what A Song Of Ice and Fire anime would do.
>>116120784 I am not trying to be a dick, but you have literally read next to nothing. The scale of the book is absolutely massive, you haven't seen anything yet, it hasn't even started moving at that point. It is a space opera among space operas. You need all the internal monologues because with all of the massive scale and the political intrigue and whatnot. Maybe you just don't like it, that is absolutely fine because when it comes down to just liking a writing style or not it really does boil down to preference. I am just being persistent because I love Dune.
Really in terms of anime adaptations, the novels I can think of that have solid adaptations are things like Treasure Island, Heidi, Little Women, Anne of Green Gables, Daddy-Long-Legs, Sans Famille, Les Miserables, A Dog of Flanders, Count of Montecristo, A Country Doctor. The Trapp family story anime is good but that is based on a memoir not a novel.
>>116121092 The animation is superb, its by an independent Japanese animator Koji Yamamura.
>>116121072 >>116121316 Wait so is it okay to like Murakami? I have been brainwashed from when I used to post on /lit/ (about 6 months until I couldn't take it anymore) so I am used to everybody going into maximum pretentious shitposting mode when he is mentioned.
Personally I have only read Hard Boiled Wonderland and I liked it.
I used to like it when I was a teenager back when it was relatively unknown and just had fanbases localized solely on the web but now that it's out into the mainstream I don't mind that it has a TV show what I dislike is that everyone who likes it has the whole "OH, I'm SUCH A NERD XD" stigma behind liking it. I would say the only good thing regarding it is the use of foreshadowing the author uses other than that they're just fun books.
>>116116407 I don't get how Crime and Punishment hasn't been turned yet: >Raskolnikov is the weak bishie who loves monologuing >His sister: the tsundere >his mother: ara ara as fuck >Razumikhin: the bromantic foil >Sonya: moe through helpnessness >Porfiry: Eyes always shut, always smiling kind of character
>>116121283 The "writing" isn't too horrible, it's fairly consistent and well put together. However, I'm not a fan of the prose. GRRM's style is extremely boring to read for me, so it's hard to stay interested.
>>116121316 >local library service has like 80 copies of Norwegian Wood on constant loan with a big queue >/a/ tells me to try Kafka on the Shore >no copies >ask library for book and they agree to buy it, but only ONE copy >some fucker steals the book before I can loan it
I wanted talking cats and dead people and may be elephants. Baw. People around here are so shitty they even steal copies of Natsume.
>>116118797 I want to see some fantasy stuff. 40k is great and all, but I don't see it doing well animated. Everything is on too grand a scale, too gory, and too scawwy for the limp-dicked otakus in Japan. No cute girls = no sales. Fantasy has lots of smaller and one-on-one interactions, and is frankly a lot more humerus. I would say Skarsnik but that's just because goblins give me a hard-on. Gotrek and Felix could be fairly entertaining, or they could make an original story, or maybe even pull from the lore.
>>116121072 >Monogatari killer. Hahaha no. Japanese people don't even give a shit about Murakami except because of the fact that some guy who writes a bunch of bad novels is somehow really popular overseas.
>>116121705 That's true, I was only thinking about it being an airing series. If it went straight to disk and was made immediately available in the west it would sell like hotcakes. People have been clamoring for a film for some time now. And no, ultramarines doesn't fucking count.
>>116121742 The last one is really brilliant, personally one of my favorite pieces of animation, was nominated for an Academy Award which is rare for a Japanese animation.
There is a nice compilation of his shorts up on bakabt just search koji yamamura film works. A lot of it is experimental and oblique. Bavel no Hon and Atama Yama are quite enjoyable though even if you aren't particularly into artsy experimentation.
>>116119931 semi related to what you posted but is there an anime similar to The Princess Bride? Basically something in a similar setting that's lighthearted, has a nice romance element, doesn't take itself too seriously, and has a good end. Oh yeah and if the anime is actually good that would be great.
The Runelords I read this right before the 4th book came out. I think I read a couple of the later ones and I'm not sure how I feel about them. Up until the 4th though I was obsessed. /a/ ? Do I have shit taste?
>>116122876 >The Plague What a shit idea. Why would you want this animated? What would it gain at all? It's practically the "it can't be THAT" of books, anime would belabor the point a million times over.
Would The Mistborn series work as an anime? I am almost done with the first book and can definitely see portions of it doing well animated especially the way they use the metals and such that reminds me of nen from Hunter x Hunter.
>>116124186 Could work, though they'd have to rewrite the parts where characters were supposed to be funny or witty and replace them with actually funny or witty dialogue. I like Sanderson's stuff, but this is a big weakness of his.
>>116116513 Child of Fortune by Norman Spinrad >Space loli coming of age (with plenty of H)
Malazan Book of the Fallen by Steven Erikson >Western high fantasy with enough power/spell spam to rival an anime. Enough sword fights to satisfy muh katana fetish (For japs). Maybe too huge a cast and setting
Marrow by Robert Reeds >Something like Blame! or Knights of Sidonia
Harry Potter >In the style of Little Witch Academia
>>116116407 >>116116577 Endymion would be a more suitable though, although you have to go thru Hyperion Cantos first. Rhadamanth Nemes vs Shrike would be so cash.
>>116125996 >english majors and literary critics While that alone should be enough for some people to disregard you, I shouldn't have to remind you that a lot of ordinary people also have problems with his writing style. You are creating some strawman critic who's apparently not only educated, but also well-read.
>>116119449 >Not reading for pleasure >Not also reading books with "literary merit" Why are you making it look like these two are opposed concepts? I genuinely enjoy reading books with "literary merit" as opposed to 99% of the genre fiction trash out there. Do you people not? Have you even tried reading them, or did you get scared away from reading "quality" books back in school when you were dumb kids who saw it as a chore? I don't get it.
>>116126261 Yeah, don't get me started on her. She gets a bit better in book 2, when there's less opportunity for her to be "witty". Speaking of Wit, his dialogue also wasn't really a high point of the first book. Not much to do with wit when you just go for the crassest insults and throw them in the recipients face at point blank. May as well have called him the King's Cusser.
Just before that, I happened to read some of the Malazan books and some of the character dialogue just had me genuinely laughing to no end (Bug, Tehol, Pust's banter with his wife, etc). Fucking Karsa is a goddamn comedian at times. And then I run into Shallan in Sanderson's book.
Books are divisive. Sometimes "high art" types can be pretty contentious about what's good and what's not. Some people will argue that Nobel Prize winners are shitty writers. As for Murakami, I had a Japanese professor of literature that seemed to like his work. Also, some of the knuckleheads in the class liked it also. If you base what you like on taste culture, you're no better than an /a/non who likes or dislikes things based their fanbases.
That said, some of the more "post modern" Murakami stuff like Superfrog would be better animated since it works well with weird events.
>>116121072 I still need to get around to reading his latest book. I bought it a while back, but I'm trying to finish up Battle Royale.
>>116121442 I don't know anyone else to talk about Murakami with, least where I live. I gave a friend of mine Kafka on the Shore, but I haven't gotten his opinion on it yet, so I've been thinking whether or not it was a bad idea to start him off there.
I think the only book I'm missing is the Elephant Vanishes; you'd be surprised how much a pain in the ass it was to get English copies of Hear the Wind Sing and Pinball, 1973 after I read A Wild Sheep Chase.
>>116127155 I hear you. After reading my post I realized I was making it sound like I might be akin to those who dislike an anime for its fanbase.
I really just want to get a handle on whether his books are well received or not and by whom. Kind of like in the "High Art" world there are those who are well received (Alec Soth, Viviane Sassen) and those who cause some splits (Alex Prager).
None of those details, however, are going to stop me from enjoying his books. The visceral reaction I had to some of his works is just too great.
Sanderson's novels also have proper endings in which pretty much every gun seen in the first act goes off by the third (even the guns he hid in plain site). It would be a nice change for anime scripting.
I dunno, I had to go crack my old quantum mechanics textbook to figure out what the basic dramatic tension was in the second book. (And I hadn't realized the 3rd book was out.) I eventually did learn something interesting about quantum computing though.
But "Noein" worked, "Qualia the Purple" works, so maybe... ?
Hyperion is still one of my all time favorite series. I don't think anyone could do justice to the imagery Simmon's is able to evoke in his writing though. That said, I get goosebumps just thinking about the possibilities.
Catch-22 would be perfect for an anime adaptation. It's got hot nurses and maids, characters with absurd names, characteristics, and catchphrases, both SOL and action, stupid humor, confusing timeskips, loads of unnecessary filler, and a shitty ending that doesn't fit the tone of the work. I'd honestly be surprised if Heinlein isn't actually a weeaboo from another timeline who went back in time to make his favorite show into a novel.
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