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Am I being rused right now?
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>>115721362
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Well PROzess is a bitch nigga. Remember when he ragequit scanlations because he lost an argument to a 14 year old at mangafox forums?
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What manga are we talking about?
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>PROzess
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>>115721977
Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki

>>115721482
Haven't seen that
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>>115722062
>Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki
Now this is serious.
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>>115721362
So is this guy just a one man scanlation group? Because if that's the case it's at least a bit more understandable, albeit a really shitty practice.
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>>115721362
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>>115721362
I always hated that scumbag.
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What the actual fuck.
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>>115722589
A very prolific one.
http://www.mangaupdates.com/groups.html?id=3265
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>>115722860
He doesn't cut pages out of 14-sai no koi does he?
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What the fuck?

Is this nigger telling the truth?
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>>115722981
he does....
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>>115721362
reekataffy?
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>>115721362
The next stage of scanlation, gentlemen.

Curnchyroll, please hurry and license fucking everything to save us from these clowns.
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Successful troll is successful.
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>>115723221
>Curnchyroll, please hurry and license fucking everything to save us from these clowns

CR is total shit though, they can't redraw or typeset for shit.
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>>115723375
Enjoy your scanlation bullshit.
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>>115723375
Or even better, they release manga without any translation at all.
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>>115721362
I really don't know what to say.

Seriously?
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>>115721362

what the fuck
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>>115723168
It's sad that this actually makes sense. I wonder how much I would have liked 14-sai no Koi if ... you know, I actually read it.
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>>115723430
CR is fine if a retard scanlator like OP is the only source, or if a manga isn't being scanned, but wanting them to pick up everything is a terrible idea.
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>>115723822
It's not. They at least have coherent English which many scanlators lack.
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>>115721362
>After looking up the raws, I can see why I feel there are pages missing. While there are actually none missing, the "END" column - or whatever it's called - has been edited out. My apologies to PROzess, though it would seem quite a few people are now taking him seriously when he says he deletes pages. (That, or they have reached a whole new level of trolling.)
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>>115723905
Didn't take long for you to show up.
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>>115723905
Stop trolling and write a script to rip their manga too, you lazy fuck.
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>>115723168
Wait, legit? Fuck everything about him
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>>115723822

>CR is fine
those letters shouldn't be together in that order, EVER.
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>>115723905
Here comes the "fansub" leader.
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>>115723905
>coherent English
>white = red
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>>115723168
I was planning to read it some day. Is he really the only guy doing the series?
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>>115723947
I wrote one on day one cr manga came out. It wasn't worth dealing with it since they had a shit ton of missing chapters.
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>>115723905
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>>115723905
Why is it that double pages in CR rips are separated?
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>>115723924
If it's just those pages I wouldn't really mind. Like, if there are pages in the middle of the chapter being ignored and removed because they have too much text you might notice something weird going on as you read it.
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>>115723989
I've been Ao Haru Ride scanlations recently, and there are a whole lot of cringeworthy sentences such as

>"The change of uniform, even just a little, don't you feel excited?"

This is even worse than the whole white=red ordeal.
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>>115723972
You realize how hard it is to translate things over when it comes to the details because of how different the two languages are right?

The people who work at Crunchyroll may not be the best subgroup but they are better then most subgroups, and only slightly worse then the best one. The only advantage other subgroups have over them is stuff like op and ed subs for example. Even with that said most are still going to pick up HorribleSubs for shows and then switch them out later if they want a subbed opening.

You get your anime for free and almost every show is subbed in a season, no serious/successful government intervention has been made to stop this from happening, and yet people are so spoiled they'll complain over crumbs in a time of overabundance. Learn to appreciate the good things, because as far as bad things go jaded/bitter/naive people will complain about anything endlessly.
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>>115724064
Because they are separate image files.
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>>115724151
How's that look on CR's reader? Do they join it properly or put a fat white space between them?
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>>115724142
>The people who work at Crunchyroll may not be the best subgroup but they are better then most subgroups
Nice bait.
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>>115722062
>Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki

I started reading it and the MC seems to only like her tits and even hides their relationship out of shame. What a faggot.
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Please save us, anon scanlation team. Only you know how to make them ragequit.
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>>115724217
I think they join it.

>>115724222
It's true. They don't draw penises on the OP. They don't hashtag shit in their translations.
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So when will the new chapter come out?
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jeez, people can't take a joke these days
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Is this the same guy who use to do Nozoki Ana, then threw a huge tantrum about how ungrateful fans were towards translators?
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>>115724265
It would be good if you stopped cock sucking your overlords in 4chan all the time, crunchyroll translations are lacklusters most of the time, I will give you that they do more shows and release them faster, but so what? The quality of the encoding is often inferior and the translations sometimes are completely mistaken.
Go suck CR dick somewhere else and go claim to be a fansubber somewhere else too.
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>>115724142
>but they are better then most subgroups
this is true
>and only slightly worse then the best one
this is false
>The only advantage other subgroups have over them is stuff like op and ed subs for example.
Really wrong. Starting from purely visual stuff like actually good encode and typesetting, to the more important part with flow and nuance, which are oft thrown in the garbage bin by CR.
This is assuming best case scenario, that is to say, the CR translator not being an idiot.
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>>115724222
Okay I'm going to ask logic from you then if you claim it bait. Since I'm sure actual logic is your weakness.

How much Japanese do you know? You're probably just hating it because you weren't around when not every show was subbed per season or got a long delay.

Next question, cite specific examples of why so many groups are better then CR in your eyes?

Also cite groups other then Crunchyroll that make mistakes. Wait nevermind that last one, because if you couldn't cherrypick to support your one sided argument you'd be completely screwed.
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>>115723939
>>115723984
>>115724063
If he didn't have a trip none of you would have reacted this way.
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>>115724392
Shit encoding and typsetting in the first place, completely lackluster in said department.
I don't need CR devs shitposting here, fuck off.
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>>115724374
>caring about encoding
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>>115724313
You think this is funny?
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>>115723905
Thanks for ripping things.
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>>115724374
Quality of encoding can be made acceptable with madvr. Their translations are pretty good on average.

I mean, most fansubs "edit" Crunchyroll and don't even translation check it, so there's that.

Also, did you just start watching anime? CR's translations are much better than what you would've watched, say, a few years ago. Eclipse was considered great back then, and they're far worse than Crunchyroll subs.
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>>115724386
Can you elaborate on your last point of what is superior in other encodes, typesetting, and what you mean by flow and nuance. If you are right about those points, I want to see what you mean, so I can have my facts straight and know why they're straight.
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>>115724429
He's been shitposting for months now, he should just fuck off.
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>>115723905
What's the day-to-day life for you HorribleSubs Leader? Do you ever get tired of this?
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>>115724386
If the logic you're going by is that "if it's not good, then it's shit", then there's no point in this debate. CR isn't the best, but that doesn't mean they're shit. They're way above acceptable for people who rely on subtitles.
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>>115724498
>I mean, most fansubs "edit" Crunchyroll and don't even translation check it, so there's that.
Do you honestly think this is good?
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>>115724525
How about you fuck off, you're the only one shitposting here.
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>>115724464
So if I disagree with you that must make me a CR dev? That's a great argument. I guess if someone isn't hurrr anarchy is my life, they must be part of any group they like.
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>>115721362
Which series is he talking about?
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>>115724512
>encode
CR's stuff is often bitrated starved (but if you never noticed it, then don't bother go looking for it. ignorance is bliss)

>typesetting
CR doesn't do fancy movement tracking and their typesets are merely "stuck" on the screen.

>flow and nuance
The subs are not wrong, but they aren't perfect because an editor spends 3 hours going through the script, coming up with things like "hashtag helicopter mom".
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>>115724525
Did he shitpost in this thread? Fuck off.
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CR a shit. The only thing they have going for them is volume. Quality is another matter.
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>>115724606
Are you retarded?
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>>115724659
Read the thread
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>>115724575
Sucking CR cock mostly.

>>115724498
Fuck CR, on principle; they may not be total shit, most of the time, but they're a shitty company who puts out subs and scans with zero thought or consideration.

Even for Manga series they don't have to do anything besides translate and typeset they fuck up, I'm looking at you compressed KnK.
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>>115724606
I never said anything about it being good. It's just the status quo.
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>>115724697
I did. 14-sai apparently, but he does other stuff too.
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>>115724681
Have you seen him post at all?
>I sub 40 shows in record speeds
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>>115724673
Thank you.
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>>115724759
Ask Google if you want a list of everything the guy's worked on. Why the fuck would you ask us?
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>>115724722
>but they're a shitty company who puts out subs and scans with zero thought or consideration.
They hire the same people who do your fansubs. It's the same shit. It's just that the pure autists are the only ones who are left in fansubbing now. Most people don't give a shit about what you claim they lack. They lack it because it's simply not important.

>Even for Manga series they don't have to do anything besides translate and typeset they fuck up, I'm looking at you compressed KnK.

And scanlations are better? I've been reading manga a lot for the past few weeks. Even scanlators admit that the average bar for translations in the scanlation scene is far lower than the fansub scene. CR for everything would be an upgrade.
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>>115724722
Do you realize CR are the good ones?
They provide most of their stuff for free after a week.
They use softsubs.
They employ all those former fansubbers, who ruined their lives by being NEETs because they wasted all their efforts on fansubs.
Their quality isn't that bad.

Just compare them to shit like FUNi streaming or Netflix.
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>>115724759
Read

the

thread.
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>>115724722
So you'd rather just have half or less shows subbed a season with delays rather then a consistent average quality company releasing an episode around the same time it airs in Japan?

Do you not see the problem in your logic?
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>>115724820
Because I don't browse whatever shit OP got that cap from.
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>>115724833
>chihiro
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>>115724851
>funi
what's the matter
you don't like the font or how it's hardsubbed
DO YOU EVEN FABULOUS COLOR SATURATION?
IT'S BEAUTIFUL
YOUR EYES ARE TEARING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT
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>>115724883
But you fucking could, right? You've seen the post. You know its contents so you couldn't you look it up?
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>>115724512
>encoding
>what is banding

>typesetting
are you kidding me? wait, or maybe you are blind?

>flow/nuance
Can't be bothered to bring out examples right now, as I will have to download old shows just in order so that I can quote from the subtitles.
Speaking of this, right now I have only the crunchy rip, DDY and Hatsuyuki of Trinity Seven for cross-reference... Hatsuyuki doesn't seem to have edited almost anything, but op/ed translation are pretty bad. DDY has edited a lot... and somehow they managed to make the script worse. Quite worse.

Which brings me to the next point
>>115724584
CR isn't shit (usually). They are way above shit groups.
But, in the same time, they are way below an actual good release, even in the best case scenario where the translation is done by one of their competent people.
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=5224

This is CR's only unacceptably bad translator.
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>>115724881
The logic is flawed because it comes from the POV from a perfectionist. They think CR is bad because everyone is being forced to watch non-perfect subtitled episodes.

Most people don't have such high standards. Most fansubbers of the groups they respect don't even have such high standards.
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>>115724939
And after quoting it on google 3 times with 3 different sections, I get jack shit.
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>>115724958
>Sakura Trick (TV) : Translation, Subtitle Timing
heh
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>>115724851
>>115724881
Yes, I'd rather have something that is good and worked well upon than something that's shit out without a second thought.

CR is the Macdonalds of the subbing world.

I'd be all for a good subbing company, one that CR has every opportunity to be, but they stikll refuse.
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>>115724948
>just in order so that I can quote from the subtitles.
Come on, at least put a little more effort into a post where you are criticizing editors.
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>>115724833
>CR for everything would be an upgrade.
Had me until this last line. You're living in a fantasy world where bad things don't happen and monopolies trying to make money treat content equally and their customers fairly.
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Who else are considered "bad blood" in the scanlation scene?
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>>115724948
Thank you for understanding my point. CR is good enough for 90% of the viewers, including many "good fansubbers".

I've said this countless times: stop caring so much about your subtitles. Good subs won't make a shitty show good, so stop watching the show for the subs.
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>>115725007
Fuck off.
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>>115724833
I don't really care about their fansubbing part, but they could really stand to have a bit more checking of quality before the manga translation released. I don't think I've ever seen the worst scanlator do this >>114581198, but maybe I'm just clueless about how their system works.
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>>115725038
>Yes
If you hate them enough to even consider that answer, then just don't download them. You're obviously not sensible.

You may also argue that CR killed a lot of fansub scene, but CR just did it's own thing, it's not there fault other groups gave up for whatever reason after CR started.
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>>115725092
Thank you based HorribleSubs.
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>>115725061
For manga? Hell yes it would. Do you really think the scanlation scene is a "free market"? If a group starts something and does it badly, no one else would redo it. It's not like fansubbing.

>>115725038
How do you define good? I'd say CR's more like Chipotle. Commie is like Mcdonalds.
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>>115724974
The annoying part is that CR has the resources to do much better than it does right now.

>>115725050
>being on /a/
>effort
lol
It's your own fault for being so new and never having cross-checked any episode before.

And I am not criticizing editors, as I don't think CR employs any,
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>>115724974
I'd settle for the slightest hint of trying.
CR reeks of complacency; they're totally fine with being okay, and so is everyone else because they're the only thing available.

Doesn't it bother you that they're perfectly fine with giving you a lesser product than those in Japan are getting?

>The banding
>The hack typesetting
>The dumb localizations
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>>115725038
The industry is changing. Fansubs are dying, because companies finally provide viable legal ways to watch anime in the west. It's not only crunchyroll. Half of a season is licensed by other streaming sites. CR is the least evil and best quality one of them.

In the long term, people will watch shit on legal or illegal streaming sites. Fansubbing is dead. Fuck, Jinsei is still not translated.

Would you really want CR to die and being replaced by FUNi?
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>>115725092
I'm still laughing about how assmad people were about amagi homicide park
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>>115725127
>this >>114581198
Don't know about scanlators, but I've definitely seen fansubbers do it. Hell, I've done it once or twice although it got caught by QC then.
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>>115725038
Would you actually support them, or just ask for rips?
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>>115725092
>Good subs won't make a shitty show good, so stop watching the show for the subs.
It's vice versa: bad subs will make an average show unwatchable.
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>>115725240
If they were equivalent to those the Japanese get, fuck yes I'd buy from them.

I'm not against paying; I'm against paying hacks who are perfectly fine with being "decent" or "good enough."
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>>115725127
Okay, I don't think you get it. Most scanlators are this bad:
>This person, I wonder who she is.

Sure, CR has errors from time to time, but at least their basic translation principle is to produce a script that reads like English, not some kind of horseshit like this.
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HORY FUCKING SHIT.

look at all these entitled cunts. If you want "better" subbing, why don't you make your own?

FUCK YOU
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>tfw you use literal translations just to fuck with people
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>>115721362
I'm hoping he's being ironic and Poe's law is on effect.
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>>115725396
thanks commie
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>>115724085
I don't think a engrish translation can ever be worse than getting a color wrong.
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>>115725203
Well, actually... If you stream Crunchyroll, you'd get a much better viewing experience than watching Japanese television.

CR's stuff is generally the same day vs having to wait a few days for it to be broadcasted in your region.

CR's video quality is also generally better than the shit you get from TV stations. Many groups encode from CR's 1080p vs transport streams.

Japan would kill to have Crunchyroll.
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>>115725342
ANO HITO
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>>115725395
You're retarded.
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>>115725330
Even if they had to charge Aniplex prices? They would, until they built a base.
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>>115725092
Agreed. I think the best way to watch anime anyway is raw. Which hey hey needs zero subbing.

If I need subs, as long as I understand them and they have the right idea they're good enough for me.
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>>115725217
This.
I have no clue why the fuck people were freaking out over that.
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>>115723905
What about Haikyuu anime? There was a shit ton of threads whining about the QUALITY in CR subs there. Or was that another series recently? I forget.
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>>115725174
So CR is just going to scanlate every manga ever because they know everyone's tastes and will respond to them in a timely fashion.
How about scanlators learn to not be such cunts and stop 'claiming' a series for themselves? How will CR decide which series to scanlate if there is not a preexisting fanbase? They're going to stick to what is safe, which means big series or ones that random people have scanlated and caught on.
Will I read a series that is poorly scanlated or, jesus christ, has missing pages because it was 'too hard'? Fuck no. But a for profit company isn't going to give a lot of stuff a chance unless they feel the resources will provide good return. Wiping out all fan scanlation isn't going to instantly convert poor scanlations into CR scanlations.
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>>115725495
It was Haikyuu. It was funny how bad it was at times
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>>115724265
>using Commie as a comparison in order to make CR look good

May as well brag about how CR can translate better than DUWANG and Hadena.
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>>115725448
>Many groups encode from CR's 1080p vs transport streams.
Also many don't, even if CR obviously has access to a superior video source. Being able to ruin the video more than the TV codecs is an achievement in itself.
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>>115725342
CR veers too far into localization though; they need to find a happy medium between readable and shit like friggin.

>>115725462
Anything for quality.

I accept incompetence from scanlators, but not from those who claim to be professionals.
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>>115725395
Welcome to how people thought over a millennia ago. By holding people that take certain tasks to a quality standard, a superior product can be produced for the masses so we don't need the entire population to be an everyman.
>BUT THEY DO IT FOR FREE
If you aren't going to do a good job, don't do it at all.
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>>115725282
And Crunchyroll, on average, doesn't produce bad subs.

>>115725427
Well, try to understand the scenario a little. That particular episode of FSN was delayed (by 4 hours). They probably had some sort of emergency so they had to upload, probably, an unedited/checked script.

You can see the diff here (a lot of stuff was fixed): https://www.diffchecker.com/pefdiljl

Because of how CR operates, they can easily replace existing subtitles without having to "v2" the file. In real life, shit happens and sometimes you have to meet a deadline. What they did was understandable.
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>>115725622
>CR veers too far into localization though
That's far from my experience with CR, though. I admit that I've seen only UQ Holder from them as far as manga goes.
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Too bad CR's typesetting and cleaning are absolute shite and their translations are simply not correct in what was actually said. Otherwise they might be readable.
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>>115725395
Fuck off Prozess.
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>>115723375
And they are still better than the average scanlator. That's how fucking low the bar is.
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>>115725683
CR makes you think they preserve things by conserving shit like sensei, but then they do shit like change yen into dollar signs.
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>>115725495
Yeah, that was one of the few times where CR was unacceptable.

>>115725531
>How about scanlators learn to not be such cunts and stop 'claiming' a series for themselves?
That's not going to happen. How is it going to happen?

>How will CR decide which series to scanlate if there is not a preexisting fanbase?
Or you know, they can just license an entire magazine like they did with weekly shounen or whatever (Fairy Tail, Fuuka, KnK, etc).

>Fuck no. But a for profit company isn't going to give a lot of stuff a chance unless they feel the resources will provide good return. Wiping out all fan scanlation isn't going to instantly convert poor scanlations into CR scanlations.
Oh, I guess you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying we need CR to translate everything. Then all problems are solved.
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>>115725760
But... CR doesn't need to clean? They get the master files. Please show me examples of what you're talking about.
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>>115725342
You realize that just as you claim most people don't give a fuck about the shit CR lacks, most people don't give a shit about sentences like that as well right?

This may rock your world, but those who lack standards, usually lack all kinds of standards. The majority is most definitely not on some fine line that parallels your own. They are either way more picky than you or give zero shits and read water panda and nigger stream.

So the whole argument of 'being a bit better' doesn't mean shit. It just means you somehow think your standards should be the norm for all readers which says enough on the issue.
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>>115725678
>Well, try to understand the scenario a little
Why is it okay for the professionals to fuck up, but people who work for nothing are terrible?

They are equivalent or barely better than fanworks and this is their fucking job; tell me how that's okay?
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>>115725848
>I'm saying we need CR to translate everything. Then all problems are solved.
So long as they don't completely destroy the fan translation scene with their new copyright powers, then I'm all for more options. It would take a lot to convince me to pay for their stuff at this point though.
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>>115725913
It does. Being in the whole fansubbing business for half a decade or so has allowed me to understand what's acceptable and what's not. The standard I have is shared with many other fansubbers and translators I've worked with.
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PROzess has always been a faggot. Remember when he threw a hissy fit because there were online reading sites depriving him from his ad revenue? Remember how he "retired" from scanlating when he got BTFO'd by a 14 year old in a forum? Remember when he started watermarking the shit out of his releases because of that? Remember when he stopped releasing translated shit because people called him out of his bullshit?
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>>115725678
>And Crunchyroll, on average, doesn't produce bad subs.
I disagree. If I say that the subs are acceptable, I mean that they are acceptably bad. Yes, you can watch them, but I like working with language, so I can't help but be annoyed at the misses, the stiff English, and so on.
Besides, it's not only about the subs. It's like kerning errors, I've learned to notice banding and other encoding stuff, the typesetting ruins my immersion, etc, etc.

Yet, if I am to choose between straight-out CR and DDY, of course I will choose CR.
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>>115726030
okay
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>>115726016
It's 7? 9? bucks a month. In comparison, Aniplex is charging 10 bucks for 1 episode of Nisekoi in BD form. CR is a steal if you see value in their service.

>>115725947
>Why is it okay for the professionals to fuck up, but people who work for nothing are terrible?
Well, in this particular scenario, they had a deadline to hit and perhaps the translator's parents died or something so he had to rush to hit that deadline. You've also forgotten that they actually fixed the mistake (look at the diff script out there). Something unacceptable would be a series like Haikyuu.

>They are equivalent or barely better than fanworks and this is their fucking job; tell me how that's okay?
They hire the same guys who do the fanworks because they're better than the average pro you'd hire to do that sort of stuff. You're not going to magically become a magnitude better because you get paid 80 bucks an episode to translate.
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>>115726030
How, you've proven that your tastes are severely lacking.
The only thing you've learned is how to eat shit.
If you think anything they put out is fine, then I have news for you, it isn't.

If you think CR's subs are smooth, you're wrong; they're ESL level.
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ITT: Nothing of value was lost.
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>>115726030
Maybe, I certainly won't deny that being a possibility. I also recall G-Reco being hyped to shit because Tomino was directing it. I also remember Miyazaki making many controversial statements regarding anime. I'd like to think they were just as experienced in their industry as you are with your scene yes?
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>>115725174
Why rip commie's subs for twintails then?
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>>115726223
Nice post anon!
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>>115726030

You do realize even Daiz proclaims CR to be shit and not worth subscribing to right?
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>>115726037
Sure, I respect your opinion. Then, as I've mentioned, Crunchyroll is not for you. You are part of the 10%.
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>>115726248
Social Experiment
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>>115725848
>That's not going to happen. How is it going to happen?
We just need more "asshole" scanlators that give a shit about other peoples' results instead of their claims.

That's what I'm training to be!
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>>115726296
>Daiz
>opinions that matter
Pick one and only one, that idiot is still trying to be relevant
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>>115726305
Not him but where are you getting these numbers from? The majority of leechers are not people who communicate. They leech and read/watch. I'm willing to bet more of them post on the comments on reader/stream sites like Batoto/Kiss/Fox/CR/etc than talk to the people involved in bringing them the entertainment.

Or do they not matter despite being the majority of your page hits/downloads/view counts/etc?
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What happened to Doki on nyaa, I can't find their subs
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>>115726200
Your English seems to be at ESL level too.

>>115726296
Well, you have to understand that he applied to CR for a job and got rejected. I also agree that if you're not in the US, then CR is absolutely not worth subscribing to.

>>115726248
They sucked my dick.

>>115726247
I'm not trying to convince you to use my standards. Like I've said, if CR is not your cup of tea, it's fine. It's just not fair to apply such a high standard to the vast majority of the viewerbase.
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>messing with Fujiyama-san
Fuck, I want to kill this guy.
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>>115726444
>Your English seems to be at ESL level too.
That's a harsh burn coming from a chinese kid
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I remember there was a fansub reviewer from one of the cartels awhile ago who blatantly admitted CR subs were superior to most of what is being put out.

Here's the fact: /a/ hates CR in theory because they have the audacity to ask for money for a translating in exchange for providing timely competent releases, but if /a/ had to go back to the pre-CR days when you were entirely at the whim of unpaid amateur translators with no incentive to do shit other than get shit on for their work, they would change their tune.
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>>115726372
Good luck!

>>115726403
I guess the main point I'm trying to spread is that people who are dead set on "quality" is part of a very small minority. You can do some estimation from download counts and the amount of subscribers CR gets.
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>>115726444
>I'm not trying to convince you to use my standards. Like I've said, if CR is not your cup of tea, it's fine. It's just not fair to apply such a high standard to the vast majority of the viewerbase.

That wasn't my point at all. I was using those two as an example of showing a person who makes a statement implying they knew what they were talking about based on being an important person involved in the scene but then everyone reacts completely different.

I was more interested in whether or not how you'd respond if the 'majority' turned out not to agree with you as time passed that's all. I personally don't have a...stance? Just playing devil's advocate here.
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>>115726519
CR translations are generally used as the baseline for A+ reviews, for whatever that's worth.
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>>115726436
They've never been on Nyaa.
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>>115726578
Can you rip subtitles of other languages too? You can put them all into the same video file.
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>>115726436
They were removed for being too shit.
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>>115726578
Where do you get the CR subscriber numbers from? I'm genuinely curious.
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>>115726436
>>115726632
Picture related.

>>115726644
It has nothing to do with quality. Hadena and even joke subs are allowed on nyaa.
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>>115726629
When's the new chapter of piano-kun
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>>115726609
If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Leechers/consumers vote with their wallet and their downloads. I don't have concrete data backing up my claims as they're mostly anecdotal. It's just interesting to see that a lot of respectable fansubbers watching Crunchyroll subs. If they're fine with it, then it should be good, right?
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>>115723168
NO. THIS CANNOT BE. That's worse than leaving it untranslated. I've been living a lie.
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>>115725909
I'm not an expert but I don't think something like master files even exist for manga and many comic books. The sfx are drawn directly on the pages and so is some of the text, some artists even write every single thing themselves. The ones doing localizations should have to clean it up manually every time, shouldn't they?
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>>115726519
>/a/ hates CR in theory because they have the audacity to ask for money for a translating in exchange for providing timely competent releases

Wrong, I'd pay for competent releases; CR isn't competent in the least.

They can't typeset or stream in an acceptable quality; also their subs, that is to say their scripts, sound incredibly stiff when read out loud in English.

Is it so wrong to want a product that's comparable to the domestic release?
Is everyone okay with good enough even when it looks like this; is this really good enough?
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>>115723168
do you have an example?
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>>115726873
Maybe not master files, but there are definitely masters in some computer somewhere before it goes to get printed.
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>>115726817
They're out from EGS. We've done our job getting them off their asses (it's funny how competition motivates even the laziest of all fuckers).

>>115726655
They announce them. It's in the range of 200-300K? Also, they were recently acquired for 100MM.

>>115726636
I could. I just need to look into it more. Sometimes not all subtitles are uploaded at the beginning, and we rip the file the moment it's out. It would be annoying for viewers to not be able to have a consistent expectation, which is what HorribleSubs strives for.
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>>115726873
Analog printing is too expensive, anon.
>>115726878
>also their subs, that is to say their scripts, sound incredibly stiff when read out loud in English.
I don't think this is a fair argument. I mean, yeah, they can do better, but the actual japanese and english dubs aren't going to be much better.
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>>115726886
I'm wondering this too. I have all the books but I really can't be bothered looking through to see what's missing
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>>115726873
I have friends who worked for jmanga (the piece of shit that was the predecessor of CR manga). I'm pretty sure they got master files to typeset on. SFX is definitely drawn on, but speechbubble text and text that overlays an image are not.
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>>115726878
What domestic release are you comparing it to?

If you're comparing it with TV, their videos are on par with the TV streams (raw/not encoded, because the average Japanese doesn't watch some filtered 10bit video on their TV, so that's not a fair comparison).

Their video is definitely miles ahead of the shit they watch on Niconico or any Japanese stream site.

And BD releases aren't a fair comparison.
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>>115726519
I've always been of the opinion that most of the whiners are mostly people who only got into anime in relatively recent years.

>>115726878
I hate to say this, but >>115726578 is right. We simply aren't CR's target audience. From their customers' pov, you know the ones who are willing to pay them, the quality they offer is good enough for them. And that's what matters, since they are ones giving the cash. So yes, from CR's pov, the service they offer is indeed good enough because us who actually cares about quality are a minority. Strictly from a business perspective, it doesn't make much economical sense to throw more cash to improve the quality just to get that marginal increase in potential inflow.

You see that very same mentality in other corporations where their strategy is simply low price, low quality targeted to bulk level of customers ala Walmart. For them, the increased value is insignificant.
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>>115727008
I see, thanks for clarifying. That definitely cuts on a great deal of editing time. I wonder how they managed not to leak those master files.
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>>115726818
Hard to say, personally I think competition is key to quality staying up. Monopolies only ensure quality and consistency take a back seat to profit. Scientifically speaking being paid as an incentive is very weak at producing results for tasks that require some brain power.

And I'd like to think that does apply to scanlating/fansubbing seeing as how no one's made machine translations acceptable yet.
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>>115726943
>We've done our job getting them off their asses (it's funny how competition motivates even the laziest of all fuckers).

It's a shame you can't urge them on the series CR doesn't cover then.
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>>115725673

You are the literal definition of cancer.

Just because a certain group was not able to pass the standards of some basement faggot means they have to stop working on it?

fuck you, you disgust me.

Fucking ungrateful cunts
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>>115727169
That's a good point. However, I don't believe the Walmart comparison is fair because Walmart is known for cost-cutting to the extreme.

Think about it in the reverse. If, say, half of CR shows have subs as bad as Haikyuu, people will still not give a shit and continue to subscribe. That's a scary thought, isn't it? But that's clearly not the case and they do a much better(?)/more decent job in most of their translations.
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>>115727169
>Strictly from a business perspective, it doesn't make much economical sense to throw more cash to improve the quality just to get that marginal increase in potential inflow.

Fuck their business perspective; they're basically a monopoly, they can spend a few minutes making sure things look and sound nice.

Fuck anyone who settles for good enough; this production line mentality.

Most of all fuck HSLeader for sucking CR's dick this hard; you know better.

They shouldn't have to pay for decent scans; let them pay for good works.
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>>115727215
I agree with you. However, it's pretty scary if you look at CR's competition:

>Funimation
Nope.
>Daisuki
Dead.
>AnimeLab/AllTheAnime/TAN/Nico
Nope.
>Hulu
Absolute cancer.
>Netflix
Nope.

CR's the only one doing it right and they still have much room for improvement.
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>>115725673
>If you aren't going to do a good job, don't do it at all.
hypothetical, nobody does anything anymore because they can't possibly meet your autistic criteria and english translation of manga/anime stops almost completely. who loses?
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>>115727470
I'm pretty sure you're ESL given your love for the semicolon.
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Stop shitposting on /a/ aers, go back to watching little girl's cartoons
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>>115727522
Anime Sols.

Modern anime sucks anyway.
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>>115727415
>people will still not give a shit and continue to subscribe.
Considering that fucking hadena still have fans? Yeah, it is fucking scary. Then again, didn't some bloke once said something to the effect of how nobody's ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the general populace?

Yeah, walmart's not the best example; it's just that one that's one the top of my mind since face it, walmart's products aren't exactly top tier quality either.

>>115727470
But that's how it is. If you disagree with it then get your ass and do something about it. Start your own business that values quality and focuses on the audience that CR ignores. You can hate it all you like but CR's method works. Most people don't care about quality, that is a fact.
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>>115725673
>If you aren't going to do a good job, don't do it at all.
That's a great aspiration to have. However, it's simply not practical and realistic.
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>>115727816
Hadena's fans are all hueshits who can't tell a grammatically correct sentence from their own asshole, though.
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>>115727577
And you must be, considering you see nothing wrong with CR's interpretations.

Don't get me wrong, CR is not the worst anyone's seen, and I can consider them good enough as far as fan-works are concerned.

But you see the dilemma, they are not simply fan works; they are self proclaimed professionals, and more is to be expected of professionals.

>>115727816
>Most people don't care about quality, that is a fact
Then they are living improper lives, as is anyone who willing, and knowingly, wallows in mediocrity.
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>>115725395
>blatant propaganda

crunchyroll a lying shit

[spoilers]the image was funny though[/spoiler]
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>>115727965
>Then they are living improper lives, as is anyone who willing, and knowingly, wallows in mediocrity.
And so is complaining without bothering to do anything about it. We're seriously not in any better position to point fingers.
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>>115726886
>>115726973
Because i knew he was scanlating this series i read the chink scans version. I went back and read a few pages of 14 sai in english due to the shitty chinese grainy scans and was shocked to find out that some pages were flat out missing
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>>115728000
How new are you?
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>>115728078
True, but we're the only ones saying anything at all.
Competent persons need to take up the same mindset instead of lying back and taking whatever CR shits out.
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>>115728000
This aint batoto
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>>115728079
yep i finally found it. Prozesses version lacks the the spring when i was 13 chapter.
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>>115728919
a few pages was missing from that.
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>>115721362
>tfw I used to respect him because at least his translations are good
What the hell, why would he do this? Literally why? I just
I don't even

Fuck
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>>115728974
>>115728919
>a few pages was missing from that.
14sai have already short chapters. What was that faggot thinking?
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>>115729174
but it was really nothing much. that was missing tbh. it doesnt dampen the reading experience
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>>115729253
The author put it there for a reason, you can't just skip it.
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>>115729253
But dropping a page just because hurr so difficult is a fucking heresy.
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I think what annoys me most about CR is their refusal to sub/scan extra shit.
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>>115721362
Since this is a translator thread (?), let's get a list going of public translators/scanners ITT

Hox
Boon
Spyro
js06
The guys working on Mushoku Tensei
Jin
Helve
Scanon
Thaifag
Elemhunter

Feel free to add more
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>>115729450
ThunderCloud
Royal
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>>115728000
ctrl+s you;re welcome
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>>115729450
>Helve
Who?
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>>115727522
Yeah that's what's worrisome. Your group is the only life line everyone has right now so CR is still acceptable because in a strange fucking way, you're also a source where competition comes from now in the sense that people use your rips as a base line for their adjustments.

But what if they target you? Anime's dead no matter what if HS dies, but if manga dies with it then it's game over.

So while I think CR doing manga is alright, I'm kind of skeptical at the idea of them covering everything like they did with anime. Scanlations might not have a high overall standard, but if you read the series by the good groups like Turnip Farmers, Hox, Power Manga, etc etc you'll see there's still a lot of groups out there that don't deserve to be caught up in it even if some of them are slow. Commercially, well it's not gonna happen period.
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>>115723905
My hero has arrived! Thank you HS!
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>>115729345
Yeah this is fucking huge. It's not like Japan where people can just buy tanks easily of any series.
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>>115729450
What's /ak/ up to these days?
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>>115725174
>I'd say CR's more like Chipotle. Commie is like Mcdonalds.
Both are AWESOME
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>>115729893
Are they even still aroud? The last thing I saw from them was Arpeggio somewhere around ch.30
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>>115725174
Yea, I'd take McDonald's over Chipotle any day.

>here have a tortilla filled with a gallon rice and a few scraps of meat
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>>115729738
If HS dies, a new CR ripper will appear. There were multiple back when CR as new, they all just quit pretty fast since there's no need for more than one.
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>>115727816
>Yeah, walmart's not the best example; it's just that one that's one the top of my mind since face it, walmart's products aren't exactly top tier quality either.

Walmart's products are great. What the fuck are you talking about? It's all just the same brands you get everywhere else cheaper. Stop being a retarded elitist. To add to it their produce is pretty good. Just because they don't have scammy organic shit doesn't mean it's worse.
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>>115726578
Well /a/ is part of that minority for the most part, so you sitting here defending CR on /a/ is retardedly futile.
Quality is one of the tenants of /a/.

>>115729793
From the looks of it, that particular special chapter ran in a different magazine than the one CR picked up, but that's not a fucking excuse.
If they run a special chapter in another magazine, you get in contact with them and make a deal.
People who are, ostensibly, paying for your services want all of the content of a particular series, not just the main series.
I want my special chapters, my OVAs, and anything else they may shit out.

For fuck's sake, I want even the littlest joke strip scanlated if I'm reading a series.
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>>115729450
how often do they pick up a series? how do I convince them to pick one up?
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>>115730127
Sucking their dick obviously
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>>115730091
>Buying from walmart
>Ever
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>>115730127
>how do I convince them
You can't unless they're interested in it

You can ask Elemhunter to dump raws though, he always dumps raws for abandoned/stalled projects and people often step up to translate them
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>>115730091
>anon in charge of getting analogies
>anon in charge of not missing the point
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>>115730163
>Sucking their dick obviously
Where do I line up to suck HS's dick?

Do you retards even remember fansubbing? Some shows would never get picked up. If they did get picked up they'd be days late. If they were days late they'd be inaccurate more than accurate.

You fucks don't even realize we're in the golden age right now. Boo hoo someone made a mistake about helicopter moms. Do you have any idea the amount of mistakes we sat through 7 years ago? Does anyone remember groups like GG gaming the entire scene, picking shit up then dropping it half way for lul?

Fuck you guys are brats. Fansubbing was egotistic shit flinging. Anyone who wants to wait three weeks for shitty mediocre subs is an idiot.
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>>115730324
That was in regards to people who were in the scanlation scene you autistic faggot
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>>115730203
What's wrong with Walmart? Do you have anything besides green arrows?
>>115730271
Fuck analogies I'm here to defend Walmart.
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>>115730324
Jinsei is still not fully subbed. Yes, I know, even with fansubbing it literally could take years until something was subbed, but the CR thing has actually killed off all potential translators and all fansubbing culture.
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>>115730127
What series?
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>>115730324
This.
You are all ungrateful bitches if you complain about stuff you get for fucking FREE and in basically the best quality available while most non-jap shows are done by yify or in 400p avi.
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>>115730324
>>115730440

>You fucks don't even realize we're in the golden age right now. Boo hoo someone made a mistake about helicopter moms. Do you have any idea the amount of mistakes we sat through 7 years ago? Does anyone remember groups like GG gaming the entire scene, picking shit up then dropping it half way for lul?

Yeah I remember and if HS quality subs were available then, I'd have appreciated them, but this is 2014, not 2006; I have seen good quality works.
I will not suck CR's dick today because they are good by yesterday's standards.
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>>115730440
>>115730324
Hey stupid, how about actually paying attention, and maybe you'll see that post he's quoting was talking about scanlators.
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>>115730415
>fansubbing culture
Fansubbing culture was awful. I had to teach myself Japanese because I hated them all so much. The amount of drama-drops that happened was unreal. Every fansub existed just to wank someone's ego.
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>>115730496
>Hey stupid, how about actually paying attention, and maybe you'll see that post he's quoting was talking about scanlators.

Obviously used it as a segue. Keep up with my gyro assisted roll-walking.
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I think the last legitimate fansubbing I saw on /a/ were those random SYD OVAs
Those threads were pretty chill I guess, at least until people started spamming
>Any minute now
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>>115721362
What a fucking horrible person, because of him it will never get a real translation
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nigger
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>>115730544
That's nice, how about next time you be a doll and not do that?
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>>115730611
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>>115730640
You don't own me.
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>>115730611
>>115730696
tl;dr
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>>115730611
>>115730696
That is way too much fucking text, summarize it for me
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>>115730371
Not. The. Fucking. Point.

Fucking autism.
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>>115730769
>>115730779
He removed pages to help people like you, and you just complained in response. Ungrateful fucks.
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>>115721362
>online reader
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>115730611
>>115730696

What series are involved here?
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>>115730696
>open your ports
>weren't the black ships sent in 150 years ago
>>I don't think you should say that to me
HOLY FUCK IM ROLLING ON THE GROUND
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>>115730841
>dumping an incoherent wall of twitter posts with even more incoherent annotations
No, fuck you.
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>>115730696
>Weren't the black ships sent 150 years ago
>You shouldn't say that to me

>Still buttmad about based Perry

I wonder how a Hiroshima joke would go over?
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>>115730935
>a descending log of text with translations written under/above their respective posts
>incoherent
You might 4 real be retarded, son.
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>>115730935
>Incoherent

Are you sure you're not just dumb?
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>>115730779
>>115730779
>Artist asks sensualaoi to stop scanlating his work
>Says it's eating his sales
>Sensualaoi counters with "English speakers aren't your target audience since they can't read moonrunes so you aren't losing sales" and "If people can't get it legally, do you expect them not to 'steal' it?"
>Offers some suggestions to try and reach English markets
>Artist says it's too hard and gives up
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>>115721362
That what you get for reading online reader crap
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>>115731324
Yeah because when you dl it, the pages magically reappear.
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>>115721482
Remember when he added watermarks that covered the entire page because his scanlation group were pissed that their revenue dropped 10% because of online readers?
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Did he cut pages with Aku no Hana? Might actually explain the last two chapters.
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>>115731234
The F guy is pretty chill considering how much crap aoi spits out.
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