How was Saber able to remain calm and without losing her shit

>>115214879
She doesn't care anymore, she distrusts him now but part of her died after that Lancelot thing, so her goals has changed to doing anything if it means erasing herself.

>>115214879
OH GOD IT KEEPS HAPPENING.

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>>115214879
It's magic, it ain't gonna explain itself, plus anime logic

>>115214879
>the 4th ended literally seconds ago for her
You don't know how much she has to wait for the next summon.

She might have been floating in Akasha for years waiting, in which case she would probably be very bored

>>115215128
We do.

It's practically nothing.

What is it with this series and people always trying to expose stupid minor plot holes and inconsistencies? It's a fucking anime you retards.

>>115214879
>4th ended literally seconds ago for her
Saber was summoned in the 5th HGW before she met Bevidere and gave her excalibur to throw in the lake so no. Hours maybe.

Why doesn't Lancer remember Saber?

>>115215185

Maybe if the fanbase wasn't so abhorrent calling Nasu a master of writing

>>115215171
>We do.
How?
>Therefore, Arturia’s time had been frozen in the moment before her death. Unless she obtained the Grail, she could only return again and again to Camlann. Over and over again, this scene would eternally reproach her, torment her.
>Before the next time she was summoned, the girl would always— within the instant that was called forever, within the censure that was called eternal rest—weep and regret.

>>115215238
But no one ever does that

>>115215248
She's constantly summoned the instant before her death. Of course that can't be minutes, hours, or even longer.

>>115215237
Because he's a different lancer. Lancer is the container name used to disguise their identity, not who the person is.

Why didn't Saber tell Shirou that she fought in the 4th war alongside his father.

Pretty sure she mentioned that in Fate but it was too late.

>How was Saber able to remain calm and without losing her shit when the 4th ended literally seconds ago for her?

[SCREAMS INTERNALLY]

Obviously.

>>115215271
>She's constantly summoned the instant before her death.
Time is frozen in that istant.

>>115215238
Except we don't.

>>115214879
they don't remember it clearly.

>>115215262

>Renowned for a unique style of storytelling and prose, Nasu is amongst the most prominent visual novelists in Japan.

>>115215248
Just because she returns to a moment frozen in time doesn't mean that her perception of time stops. Quite the opposite "within the instant that was called forever" that means it's lasting an eternity for her.

>>115215274
Then why does saber look exactly the same as she did in F/Z? Why does the new lancer have the old lancer's weapon?

She's seen some shit, also combat high.

>>115215336
hu r u quoting?

>>115215336
well gee, there isn't much competition
most visual novel writing is shit, so its easy to stand out

>>115215360

Are you just trolling or are you a mongoloid?

>>115215360
Saber is the same. Lancer is different.

F/Z lancers spears were gae darg and gae buidhe (red spear and yellow spear). F/SN lancer's spear is Gae Bolg, it's a different weapon because he's a different person

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>>115215397
I bet you have read ten whole visual novels.

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>>115215360
>People are going to seriously respond to this post

>>115215336
This is why no one takes the wikia seriously unless it's citing official material.

>>115215360
Man are berserker, rider, assassin and caster going to confuse the fuck out of you.

>WHEN DID HE GET SO RIPPED
>WHY IS HE A GIRL
>WHY ISN'T HE A SKULL FACED NIGGER!?
>WHY IS HE A GIRL

>>115215320
She does tell him very early on in HF. In the other routes it would have probably done more harm than good if she just up and said that she despises Kerry. It would have vastly lowered her chances to aquire the grail.

>>115215449
That's true while overly flowery.

>>115215336

do you think /a/ wrote the wiki?

>>115215405
>>115215406
Then why do they have the same uniform?

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>>115215360
If you want to know so damn much, read the visual novel.

>>115215511
I realise you're trolling. But they don't.

>>115215511
Because Shinji summoned himself as Lancer.

>>115214879
It wasn't instantaneous. She sits on top of that hill with dead eyes, looking at the corpses of all the men who died because of her while Silver Moon plays in the background until she gets a summon.

>>115214879

She doesn't freak out because she can already tell that Shirou is nothing like his father.

>>115214879
She's just pragmatic. Taking out her butthurt on Kerry's kid would be pointless.

Plus thanks to team tsundere diverting her attention.

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>>115215712
>Shirou is nothing like his father.

>>115215511
>UNLIMITED BAIT WORKS!

>>115215912
>saber can't get a break

ayy

Why isnt Saber drawn with light muscle definition?

She always exclaims how Shirou wouldnt like a combat hardened body like hers, but then she just has the physique of a normal young girl.

>>115215912
I would order Saber to just sex me on the spot. Fuck the grail.

>>115215912
>his father didn't use a single CS until the end of the war

what a cold motherfucker. why can't Shirou be like him?

>>115215912
why is it when shirou orders her to destroy the grail she gets all wet but when kerry orders her to destroy the grail she screams no?

fucking double standards.

>>115215994
Then she'd fucking hate you and try to murder.

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>>115215994
>Fuck the grail.

Gladly.

>>115215912
What are you even trying to say?

Also no he's seriously not. Kiritsugu is a retard who wanted to wish for world peace on an omnipotent device with no actual idea what he wanted that peace to be. All he had was the concept.

Shirou enters to stop it falling into the wrong hands, but instantly realizes wishing on something like that is a really stupid idea.

>>115216023
He can be, but from that we get Mind of Steel, or Prisma Shirou

>>115216033
What is character development for 600 Alex?

>>115216033
The black mud probably tipped her off that something wasn't quite right with the grail, and that it was better off destroyed.

>>115215994
>Fuck the grail.
I'd fuck Illya, too.

>>115216075
>Prisma Shirou
Dude what? Prisma Shirou is HF Shirou powered by Imouto Love. He's the equivalent of Illya route Shirou except Illya is Miyu.

Well, as long as you're not talking about fluffy Shirou or something but that would make no sense.

>>115216033
Well, when Shirou tells her too the grail is a huge throbbing pile of meat that spews out black mud that turns people insane on contact so

I would pay to watch Saber and Kiritsugu meet up after Saber realizes what the grail really was.

Fuck her for doubting Kiritsugu's resolve.

>>115216137
>Illya route Shirou
aka Archer

>>115216173

Did Kiritsugu become an heroic spirit?

>>115216033
Well Shirou is the perfect husbando and Kiritsugu is a piece of shit

>>115216137
Yeah my bad I forgot to put in the part where Prisma Shirou is like Prisma Kiritsugu.

>>115216033

Fate route explains things entirely.

>that scene where Kerry begs Shirou to come with him

;_;

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Why don't they just leave Japan and wait for the other teams to kill each other?

>>115216182
Nah, Archer was idealistic and full Hero of Justice right up until his death. Plus Illya route diverges from HF and Archer didn't know shit about the Matou and the only thing he knew about the Shadow came from fighting 'similar beings'.

>>115216247
What exactly prevented him from going and grabbing Illya again?

>>115216247
does this work in real life? can i just ask a random orphan at a hospital if he wants to live with me

>20% of the meaning is lost in the shitty translation and things simply untranslatable

I'm not gonna say Nasu is a master at writing, but I still think you should consider that

>>115216270
Why don't Masters ignore the Grail and team up to conquer the world instead?

>>115216294
No magic because of the curse. Einzbern may be retards but they're still top tier mages with fucktons of homunculus.

>>115216294
Einzbern magic hiding the castle, he could never find it again, he tried while he was alive

>>115216294
The Einzberns plus the grail fucked him up.

>>115216294

He tried, he actually was hit by the mud when the Grail was destroyed and it seems he lost a lot of power, it certainly was what killed him.

>>115216306
Depends on the country I guess, the look on the other orphans was priceless

>>115216205
No.

>>115216306
He probably had the papers ready at that point. I think you only need to prove that you can raise the kid, and that the kid is also willing to be adopted.

>>115216405
According to Nasu's tweets the others weren't orphans. THey were just random kids.

>>115216294
Grail mud fucked him up; taking away his ability to use magic and giving him terminal case of magic-aids.
The Einzberns got super-butthurt about being betrayed and erected bounded fields around their castle, turning the surrounding forest into the Lost Woods from Zelda. With his powers he could have broken through, but he was pretty much SOL.

>>115216418

Why

Why doesn't Shirou reinforce his own body?

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I came when Lancer cast Gay Bulge, based Ufotable.

>>115216205
Yes. Grail mud.

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>>115215912
>Fuck the grail
Already done.

>>115216503
Can't become a Heroic Spirit in the modern age due to the nature of how it qualifies you. SHirou did shit way more impressive than Kiri. Saved the world over and over, and still only got in because of a pact.

>>115216033
Because shirou sits down and actually talks to her about shit.

The only time kiritsugu ever said anything to her was when he used command seals on her. Whole problem could have been avoided with "Grail is sentient and evil, will corrupt any wish you have and try to bring literal manifestation of satan into the world"

>>115216205
No, he just died a tired old man with a lot of regrets and enemies

>>115216322
Because they would be slaughtered. Servants are a pittance compared to all the magical and spiritual beings out there.

>>115216023
He used it when Berserker was kidnapping Iri.

>>115216532

To be more exact, its about how they are legendary and known ... modern age have magic being concealed so chances of being known as a hero are much smaller.

In Kiritsugu case its even worst as he operated behind shadows and nobody would call him a hero, if anything he could qualify as Medusa as a monster.

>>115216322
Angry church, Angry magus association, Angry dead apostles.

Probably results in PRIMATE MURDER being called.

>>115216512
No idea. It's even weirder considering Nasu tweeted that self reinforcement is the easiest form. I mean, I guess I can see why when he was still using the temp circuits, but after it's never mentioned either apart form that weird case in Fate where Bloodfort is used and he mentions magic energy filling him and he suddenly becomes super strong.

>>115215912
>that fucking filter in the last image
Why is this shit allowed? It looks disgusting

>>115216322
>puny Servants running amok like children
Alaya would summon Sir Gawain to clean up the mess.

>>115216668
Called?

>>115216676
It's just a brief flash to indicate Saber being bound by the command spell.

>>115216676

Because Typefags are shit eaters

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>>115216714
Do you know what PRIMATE MURDER is? No? It's probably better that way

>>115216647
It's also something about how way more impressive things happen in general. Larger scale stuff is much more possible easily and the world is put in danger and saved by pure accident all the time. So literally nothing you could do would be noticeable enough for the universe to give a shit. It's impressive enough Shirou was even able to make a pact with Alaya considering.

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>>115214879
She reactivated Avalon upon her arrival and it acted like an emotional tampon.

>>115216668

That and because of how the system even works, they are just unable to sustain a Servant for long.

In fact I suspect if they tried to leave the Servant would vanish since it is a contract.

>>115214879
Because her introduction in Stay/Night was written before Zero and he hadn't thought that far ahead yet

>>115216742

Angry chimps attacking you?

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>>115216796
Close enough for all secondaries to understand.

>>115216796
Primate Murder as in Murder of Primates. It's a being designed by the world to exterminate humans. Got highjacked by a bullshit powerful vampire though.

>>115216790

He clearly did though, read the VN

>>115216322
Mages can't even show their magic to common people without killing them. If they made themselves noticeable to everyone they would get slaughtered.

>>115216742
The second most powerful dead apostle.
Now explain yourself.

>>115216843
>The second most powerful dead apostle.
>not Enhance

>>115216743

True but I also suspect the older you get the taller the tale grows, some heroes are credited with stuff they didnt do.

I think the entire thing is just a scale of belief, the more people believe on something the more that is "true", this is why the closer they are to actuality the lower their power ... its easy ti believe in something that happened in 1000 years ago, 100 years ago? much harder.

I suppose in 3016 you could summon Obama as Caster.

>>115216821
The scene is different in the VN. There's no "Emiya?..."

It just says her expression doesn't change and then they move on. So they did change it in context of it being a sequel to Zero for a lot of people.

>>115216796
PRIMATE MURDER the first of the 27 dead apostle ancestors. It was created by Gaia as a 'security measure' against humans so they could never truly threaten the planet.

PRIMATE MURDER is a giant wolf that is more or less capable of murdering all life on the planet, even faster than ORT or AVENGER could do.

TYPE-MARS made friends with it though, and it's normally 'restrained' by 10+ counter guardians.

>>115216894
>I suppose in 3016 you could summon Obama as Caster.
Nah, we have too much reliable recording of information. no Chinese whispers effect.

>>115214879
"Is this a coincidence?"
"If it isn't, how far in the future am I?"

>>115216894
>Bin laden as caster
>Uses explosive magic

>>115216843
Essentially it would likely kick off a giant war between mages, dead apostles, and the church and both alaya's counter guardian force would kick in, and gaia's own protection measures would kick in.... things would be very unpleasant.

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>>115216921
Altrouge is not Type-Mars. The fuck? Is this some wiki shit?

>>115216970
But extremely interesting, no?

Kind of makes you appreciate the bullshit Shiki can do.

>>115216986
My mistake. I got people confused.

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>>115216921
>primate murder is supposed to the antithesis of humans
>10 humans can restrain it

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>>115217014
Rape?

>>115217034
Spiritual beings aren't humans.

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>>115216921
>TYPE-MARS made friends with it though >normally 'restrained' by 10+ counter guardians.
Subtle troll

>>115217054
>10 ex-humans can restrain it

>>115217053

Bingo.

>>115217034
>>115217071
They're not humans anymore, they're mindless existences of power. Basically like nukes.

Also it only takes seven.

>>115217071
Rin's Grandpappy could kill it. Humans evolve like crazy.

>>115217034
>I'm unaware that alaya is the alter ego of gaea and the 'soul of humanity' her whole job is using gaea's power to make sure certain people are strong enough to prevent other people from fucking up the world and making gaea mad enough to just hit the reset button.

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>>115217053
Rape is the easiest way to get bitches.

>>115217104
>Rin's Grandpappy could kill it.
Zero basis. Being able to kill Crimson Moon doesn't mean you're able to kill anything he could.

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>>115217147
Can Shiki kill Primate Murder

>>115217147
This isn't Pokemon.

>>115216059
Noroute

>>115217210

He probably could. But depends really.

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>>115217210
That's the wrong Shiki and not best Shiki. Let me correct your post by posting Best Shiki.

>>115217215
It's very Pokemon actually. It's like how Aoko can fight servants legit, but would get her shit wrecked by Medea, who gets her shit wrecked by pretty much every servant.

>>115217215

Yeah it is

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>>115215323
>>115214879

>>115217290
What was the deal with the evil naked Ciel again?

>>115217210
If it just stood there, yes. If it is active and the enemy is human, no. I really want to know how Primate Murder actually works. Does it have a conceptual authority that allows it to just have every human around it die, or does it just have the ability to just slaughter humans due to having an inherent advantage over them?

>can Shiki kill [...]
Please not again.

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>>115217215
It is.

>>115217210
Technically it's *possible* to kill it, simply because it's a dead apostle and not a true ancestor. The chances of any MEoDP user being able to actually kill it are infinitely small though as PRIMATE MURDER is defined as being the *ultimate* human killer.

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>>115217290
Mama Shiki is best Shiki

>>115217380
That's Roa Ciel. Read KT.

>>115215912
I was pretty disappointed in the depiction of the command seal use. Saber should have been like a second away from seriously fucking them up, not just standing a couple feet away glaring at them

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>>115217290
>Do the Ciel route
>Get to the point Arcueid gets me to drink her blood

Oh man

>>115217381
>>115217387
If it's conceptual authority then Shiki should be able to sever it. If it comes down to physical ability it'd have to come down to Shiki's plot armor.

>>115217384
Fun fact: Jesus was the wielder of the first magic.

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>>115217394
What are the chances that Shiki would rape their child.

What's Jesus in the typeverse

>>115216270
They wouldn't be able to sustain the servant without the Grail's assistance
presumably this assistance doesn't work if they're chilling in amsterdam

>>115217387
>simply because it's a dead apostle and not a true ancestor
It's not either of those. It's on the DAA list because its a major threat to humanity who consumes humans. It's not any more an actual Dead Apostle than ORT is.

>>115216970
>>115216997
Spin-off detailing a parallel time where the great world ending war begins when?

>>115217387
There's no biological distinction between TA and DAA anymore.
And PM is technically more powerful than the Ancestors.

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>>115217475
Same as ever. Comes close and dies soon after.

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>>115217475

A bit too high.

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>>115217394
Can Ryougi kill Kouma?

>>115217459
Neither Shiki has shown the ability to go that abstract. Tohno has to kill the literal earth instead of just severing Arc's backup. Ryougi can only kill active phenomenon as of what she has shown.

>>115216669
I distinctly recall him doing something in HF. Well, trying and fucking up.
He does enhance his eyesight with magic though, that's how he sees tohsaka ontop of the building.

>>115217477
see
>>115217473

>>115217535
There never was a biological distinction other than 'true ancestors were always immortal until they consumed blood and then because they'd taken death into them they lost their immortality"

>>115217413
I did. I don't remember anything about her, I think she appeared like once.

>>115217566
He stomps regular Ryougi into paste, and the third personality could keep up defensively.

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>>115217557
>implying Shiki won't go all the way.

>>115216060
>Kiritsugu is a retard who wanted to wish for world peace on an omnipotent device with no actual idea what he wanted that peace to be. All he had was the concept.
Kiritsugu wasn't a retard, he just came to understanding that only something as unrealistic as his wish could actually grant it, which was the holy grail. Not to mention that he was unaware of the true nature of the holy grail and Angry Manjew was a complete surprise to him.

>>115217589

But there are magic users that predate Jesus like Medea

>>115217585
>He does enhance his eyesight with magic though, that's how he sees tohsaka ontop of the building.
Nope. At that point he was still using temporary circuits and hadn't created one. His eyes are just that good I guess.

>>115217619
Type Sol could eradicate the conceptually-protected-against-being-made-not-immortal immortal Ancestors, though.

>>115217477
>Jesus
Saber, Lancer, Rider, Berserker, Caster

>>115217566
Mama Ryougi probably. Regular would probably have a standoff, weigh their plot armors and call it a night. I imagine Kokutou would probably persuade them to do something better than murder each other.

>>115217384
>>115217473
Would Jesus be too OP to summon?

I mean True magic is like EX++ compared to other NP.

>>115217688
'The First Magic' doesn't mean the earliest spellcraft, it refers to the First True Magic, much as the Kaleidoscope is the Second True Magic.

Also I don't think jesus is actually the user of the First

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>>115217681
The nature of the grail wouldn't have mattered. The only difference would be he'd have had a completely useless wish granting device and a dead wife rather than one that also cursed him.

Read the LN. His problem was that he literally had no idea what wish he actually wanted. "World Peace" is not a result. WHAT world peace do you want? Do you want everyone to not fight each other because they're lobotomized? Because that's the only alternative to just killing them all. You can't just make humans not do war. That's not a wish. That's being a retard.

>>115217787
He can't be summoned. Unless you supposed that the throne of heroes asked to copy him when he temporarily died, and even then he would need to give his permission for the throne to send a copy of him to the grail war.

>>115217697
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%2017/

……"
It doesn't seem like she notices me down here.
No, there's no way she could see me.
She's so high up that I, with better eyesight than most, can barely see her by improving my vision with magical energy.
I can recognize her since she's standing there alone, but there's no way she would notice me down here among all these people.

>>115217688
First Magic as in True Magic #1.

To put it into perspective a group of Caster level mages (ie Age of Gods mages) using magecraft would need multiple high level mages doing all sorts of shit to resurrect someone.

First True magic is like BAM "YOU ALIVE NIGGA"

How is Jesus a true magic user when all he did was cheap tricks and even Rin can bring people back from the dead

>>115217855
>not wishing for the power to rape anything

>>115217880
>To put it into perspective a group of Caster level mages (ie Age of Gods mages) using magecraft would need multiple high level mages doing all sorts of shit to resurrect someone.
It's actually literally impossible outside first magick.

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>>115217892

Anon. That's too much power. One can not keep that in moderate control.