Well, we obviously wont get the full scene.
Though I do hope that UFOtable dont shy away from the context. A fade to black after Rin kisses him in her room and then OPs image when the scene resumes would be perfect for me.
Actually now that I think about it Kana Ueda moaning sounds extremely hot.
I had been desperately hoping that Minatosoft would convince her to voice a heroine in Majikoi, since they seem to have a gift for convincing sucessful and awesome female VAs into doing pretty graphic H-scenes, but it was not to be.
TM seems to ignore the original these days in favor of Realta Nua, so I'd say no. However, the RN shit is even dumber than sex for magical connection, plus it's supposed to be a climax in their relationship, which RN really fails at. If not sex it should at least be something intimate. I trust in Ufotable to make the right choice here.
HF movies will definitely have sex. I wouldn't be surprised if that factored in their decision to make it movies.
But there is no way a VN with erotic content could get animated with H scenes in Japan.
>Lead up to Jackhammer
>Rin says they have to "Do It"
>Rin takes off blouse and leans into Shirou
>Shirou readies himself
>She leans in and kisses him lewd Mana Transfer Style
>Dolphin scene in his brain
> Of course I meant kiss, what did you think I meant?! B-Baka!
Not like this. Please, not like this.
There's really no point to the sex in UBW. It forced the relationship past it's actual state which felt out of place when they hadn't even kissed yet. I mean, it's not as fucking retarded as the threesome in fate, and it was nice to see the cute aspect of Rin but it's not worth the awkwardness in storytelling.
UBW movie did it fine. Maybe make the ritual more intimate, but that's it.
I'll be helluva mad if they take out HF's though. Shirou accepting Sakura is a slut is a major point of the route.
Seems it may be the case HF is going movie route to not have the same censorship issues.
>Tohsaka, you are forgetting something
>W-what is it Shirou?
>My meat expands to it's limits
The only sexual stuff in Zero is mundane stuff, and even in the novel it was fade to black.
None of the masters in F/Z is crappy enough and desperate enough to use the sexual methods to provide energy to the servant, and not to mention by now it is it is even lower on the list of options with new sets of options.
Besides, the more common methods for crappy mages is to have their Servant drain blood or consume people/souls.
It'll be replaced with CGI cuttlefish.
>rider having sex with Walter.
>kitsu fucking saber.
>Gil fucking everyone
I don't see how it would be possible for any the servants masters to have sex. Saber woiuld never sleep with kitsu, she fucking hates the man,
>Implying Shirou would go full on Shiki
Why is this aloud?
>Shirou accepting Sakura is a slut is a major point of the route.
Reminder that Sakura is the only heroine in the VN that only has consensual sex solely with Shirou.
>I don't see how it would be possible for any the servants-masters to have sex.
>Implying Ryu and Gilles don't enjoy the GREATEST COOL together
>who fucked who
Karry and Maiya
Worms and Sakura
Tokiomi and Breeding stock
Worms and Kariya
Kerry and Iri
Ryunosuke and a million children.
>hadn't even kissed yet
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
the worms are now canonically more about burrowing and fusing, and consuming the body like parasites, the sexual stuff is pretty much gone.
Ryunosuke is more about dissecting and reassembling body parts to create his art.
Wank up the RN retcon all you want buddy. The Butcher says: Sakura got Lust-Worm sex:
Though she only showed up twice, at the beginning and the end of the book, when you consider the fact that the whooooole time she was off-screen she was being tortured in a worm hell that violates child pornography laws, well, even in Fate/Zero her misery index probably rates higher than anyone else's. Also, the Character Material book that was released right when I was in the middle of writing had a cute illustration of Sakura as a child in it. When I saw it, I thought, "Right now, I'm creating such a cruel world for this girl!" It was a huge load on my spirit. You're so mean, Mr. Takeuchi. Bully me some more!
It's from their sex scene and probably won't be in the anime because Realta Nua sucks dicks and removed it.
Sure, the actual penetration was bad, but everything up to it was the sweetest thing in the damn VN.
>You're so mean, Mr. Takeuchi. Bully me some more!
>Butcher doesn't write the source material
What is Fate/Zero Light Novel?
He was given all necessary elements from Nasu (including the Sakura rape) and entrusted with the canon to write the LN.
>but everything up to it was the sweetest thing in the damn VN.
I don't know, I found it extremely forced and out of character as Rin is concerned. It was nice, but it felt pretty off for me.
Did you even read my post?
The great part wasn't the jackhammering and seafood, but the stuff that came before it and that was completely removed and replaced with an inferior scene that only works out to waste a part of the Tohsaka crest.
>on the back of a cast of mostly excellent characters.
Are you serious? I mean sure, some are cool, but for every Lancer and Archer there's at least 3 Kuzukis, Casters, Shinjis and Rins.
hey mate, sounds like you're having a wrong opinion over there
She is a pure women who just wants to be happy with her husband
Nothing about it talks about lust-worms, it talks about torture (definitely related to ero guro) which is a fetish part of the pornography. The worms are after all burrowing into her to fuse with the flesh.
Oh, I'm sorry, I believe your post said F/SN, not F/HA.
>being mindcontrolled and forced into a relationship by a god makes you a slut
What an great meme, please post more
brother-killing psychopath with a victim complex, Archer killed her for great justice
Do you prefer your peanut butter smooth or crunchy?
She didn't have a whole lot of choice in the matter. The Greek gods are just dicks like that.
Yet she still drains the lifeforce of innocent citizens of Fuyuki city, good thing Archer killed her for great justice
Except that simply isnt true, she was branded as a witch by Jason so he could stick his dick in another princess and abandoned, and when shes summoned she doesnt go on about her past life but tries to live a new life
>killing innocent people is bad
As long as you have good intentions, who cares if some people have to be killed
>Nothing about it talks about lust-worm
There's being deluded and then there's stuff like this post.
The author specifically said that what occurs in the work he was commissioned to write crosses the line on child pornography, not that it can be fetishished to be porn but infact involves sex with a child and as such Sakura is being fucked by worms. Author Confirmed.
Trying to set up a peaceful life is good intentions. Caster needed to drain mana in order to survive against the other servants, not to mention she never actually killed anyone other than her master, thanks for proving my point
>Didn't they just cut the sex out of Zero completely?
What? No. They even explicitly explained how it had happened and Zouken fed Kariya the worm that had devoured Sakura's hymen.
While showing us Sakura drenched in worms. With explanations of she is restrained and explaining the purpose of the worms.
There's also the scene where zouken explains how Sakura has been there for a nearly a week and she simply stopped crying and screaming after 3 days but was still alive. What the fuck was Kaiya thinking undergoing that?! zouken even once stopped tormenting Sakura and in fact used Kaiya's pain and ultimate death to break her hopes even more.
Sometimes I forget I'm on an internet where people will defend their stance no matter how many times/ ho clearly they are flat out wrong.
The Butcher makes no mention of fetishism in that quote (of which you can fetishize nearly anything into porn for you) he specifically says "child-pornography" which has a specific definition which is further agreed upon when he gives Kariya the first worm to feast on Sakura's purity. Are you really fucking claiming Sakura doesn't get worm-raped in F/Z?
>"What is this smell? Can you tell, Archer?"
>Opening the door and the windows, she asks someone behind her.
>There is no one there.
>But there is a presence thicker than air behind her.
>"It must be a witch's potion. The one that destroys love."
>"…Hemlock? What? The culprit not only took their magical energy, but made the men impotent as well?"
>"Then it must be a woman. I don't know what kind of a grudge she has, but it must be a big one to keep taking it out on people even after she became a Servant."
>"Stop talking and open the windows. …They are still breathing. I guess it makes no difference if they are found now or tomorrow. Let's get away from here after we're done, Archer."
When it's there just for its own sake, it is out of place(see the first scene in Fate), but if it's central to the story(see Sakura's from HF) or something that flowed more naturally(second one from Fate or UBW, minus jamming it in) then it makes more sense.
One of the Sims-fags from yesterday here. You are looking at Shirou here and I'm not really sure about the traits I want to use. Any suggestions?
You know RN was originally made to be an all ages version to expand F/sn to the Playstation 2 market, right? It doesn't supercede the original material. Nasu isn't George Lucas replacing crest worms with Jar Jar Binks.
>zouken even once stopped tormenting Sakura and in fact used Kaiya's pain and ultimate death to break her hopes even more.
No he didn't. Urobuchi said somewhere that Kariya going to rescue Sakura and dying like that wasn't orchestrated by Zouken and, indeed, Zouken didn't even know about it. Once the crest worms in Kariya had all died due to Berserker exhausting them, Zouken had no hold over Kariya anymore.
Daily reminder that because of counter guardian shenanigans, Archer has more innocent blood on his hands then every other servant combined.
Hence his mid-life crisis and plans of existential erasing.
With Shinji? everything about this guy is shit,tho.
so does that mean Sakura gets turned on very easily or she's constantly turned on? Because that can do a number on a person's mental state.
After consuming parts of her they then fused. Again: Zouken specifically gives Kariya the first worm to violate Sakura.
>Worms thrusting into your vag-cav make you wet
News at Eleven (seriously: That only speaks to the innate desire to fuck mages for their semen)
Magic barely follow its own rules half the time.
Oh yes, I wasn't saying that the worms didn't violate her, just that I don't think that they eat her inside that much as unlike Kariya, Sakura got a nice magical energy pool. Also, Zouken wanted her to make babies.
I do, but thankfully she wants to be a wizard too.
>淫虫 - Inchuu
>The lowest of familiars. Used by Zouken. Worms that love feasting on the blood, marrow, and energy of humans. Will shatter the spine of males and suck on the brain, turning them into cripples. Will feast on the mental energies of the women instead by sexual stimulation through the nervous system.
>You totally didn't address it!
>(seriously: That only speaks to the innate desire to fuck mages for their semen)
Why don't you fuck off and go back to English 101, I addressed what you were talking about succinctly because its not what this conversation is about. Its about if Sakura got fucked by worms or not.
Except you said this:
>So there are worms thrusting into her vagina and consuming its inside.
>How the fuck exactly is this not exactly what lust-wormms are said to do?
To my replies about the worms burrowing everywhere, It wasn't about penis worms fucking her.
Nowhere in the description of lust-worms does it say that they *only* burrow into the vagina, its that they concentrate there (I even spoke to the ones that bonded with her nerves all over her body). If not then Kotomine would have just given Sakura a Magical Hysterectomy and her life wouldn't have been in danger like he said it was.
So again: I already addressed your gripe so get fucked
She doesn't know that. She's my support in this and I've only got a few more years to go.
I clearly didn't talk about >*only* burrow into the vagina
I said that was your reply to my statement about burrowing everywhere.
And I said they pretty much don't have the sexual desire function RN.
How will you react when Ufo adapts Realta Nua HF?
Are you prepared for Bloodsucking?
Perhaps looking forward to Shinji wanting to kiss Sakura?
Or maybe her DARK AND EDGY SECRET of being a magus?
You are clearly retarded. I stated the description that I and the poster agreed upon (That at least one worm took Sakura' purity) and you are now going:
>WELL YOU SAID THE ONLY FUCK HER
When I very clearly said no such thing. I said one did fuck her and their writhing in her genitals excite sexual desire not that fucking her is all they do. So once again: You need to go back to class because your English skills are poor.
You're going to find that people headcanon a lot about Sakura either to make fun of her or dismiss her problems as a magical experiment, so they don't care about facts. Hell, they still think she was the one who cut Shirou's arm off in the forest in HF, when we know her mind was seperated from her body, which can't autonomously teleport to the forest, and that Shirou's arm got blown off because he couldn't duck it in time when the thing suddenly exploded, not because the Shadow specifically went after him to injure him.
It is funny how reading comprehension fails in these conversations.
TBF it's pretty obvious what worms were doing come on now. Nasu wouldn't include an explanation like that with HF and never stated explicitly that it wasn't happening to Sakura.
You were supposed to assume that was what happened to Sakura otherwise he wouldn't have included such an explanation in the first place or at least made it obvious it wasn't what was going on.
This doesn't feel right without the ZR
>You need to go back to class because your English skills are poor.
Speak for yourself, because I wasn't talking about:
>WELL YOU SAID THE ONLY FUCK HER
in that post, go reread.
And you are claiming the crest worms are raping, when it was about burrowing and consuming.
>which has a specific definition which is further agreed upon when he gives Kariya the first worm to feast on Sakura's purity. Are you really fucking claiming Sakura doesn't get worm-raped in F/Z?
>You're going to find that people headcanon a lot about Sakura either to make fun of her or dismiss her problems as a magical experiment
I have experience with the crazy hard-line Sakura-fags already. The most amusing thing: Their version of Sakura as this faultless maiden of destiny is the most boring and awful version and CP shits all over that idea of her.
>Zouken: Take this Worm that stole Sakura's Purity
>The Butcher: Yeah, that scene was fucked up to write as its kiddy porn
>Some random asshole on the internet: They were only burrowing in the area
You are platinum retarded if you expect us to take your word over theirs. At least one worm has raped Sakura while others are far from her genitals burrowing into her so deep that removing them threatens her life. No post I've made contradicts this, no matter how much you claim it did.
Daily reminder that they look nothing alike.
We were talking generally about how fucking retarded hardline Sakura-fags are. The same people trying to claim she's a virgin when canon explicitly states a worm took her purity.
It's not debating on her being a virgin, but the worms weren't fucking her, they were killing her by taking in her life energy and burrowing through her organs. And if they invaded all parts of her body, then of course she wasn't a virgin, since the definition of losing your virginity was to lose one's hymen, and not necessarily have anything to do with sex in general. They also suffocated her by ripping through her insides when her life force gets too low, but there is nothing sexual about that.
The reason they are called lust-worms was that they induce orgasms by stimulating the pleasure centers of the brain when the host can't feed them the required life energy, which Sakura has a huge magical capacity for. They destroy the brain by stimulating it in that case, like the effects of various drugs, turning the victim into a vegetable. Sakura avoids this happening because she has strong magical blood, but otherwise, she would be dead or a complete vegetable. The point was they destroy the host.
No, Zouken clearly stated that he is feeding Kariya the worm that took Sakura's purity,
This means the worm that devoured Sakura's hymen.
This doesn't mean it is raping her, when all it is doing is burrowing around and eating stuff.
>Those tentacles aren't raping that cute Kunoichi girl
>They're just burrowing in to her vagina
The entire argument going on here is just retarded semantics. I don't even know why you guys are continuing it.
Shorter by an inch but with 2 inches more on the bust and hips.
>This doesn't mean it is raping her
Ah, so its not "genuine rape" then Senator?
What I'm going to do is run around with my hard dick out of my pants and run into some girl whose bending over with her ass exposed.
Then I'll tell the cops: "Its doesn' mean I raped her, I was just running around being indecent!" We'll see how well that goes.
>Who fucks who in Zero?
Kerry and Natalia
Shirley and Noritaka
Kerry and Irisviel
Kerry and Maiya
Maiya and the whole VC/NVA
Tokiomi and Aoi
Kirei and Claudia
Caren and the Church
Sakura and Byakuya
Sakura and Zouken
Sakura and the worms
Kariya and the worms
Sola and Diarmuid
Alexander and Waver
The worms are not doing it for their own sexual desire, they are parasites.
The raping issue is framed in terms of human violating others.
But the term I should have said for the worms is that they are not 'fucking' her.
it is basically like this:
"To put it simply, there is a poison, a worm, in Matou Sakura's body. The worm is called crest worm. It is like an artificial sanshi, the three corpses. Do you recognize this name?"
It's a familiar that lives off of its host's magical energy. It is of the lowest rank of familiars, as it does nothing beyond telling its master whether or not its host still lives."
It must be the result of eleven years spent growing within her. The crest worm has turned into a nerve, like a Magic Circuit, and it has entangled with her own, swarming all throughout her body.
It has transformed into her Magic Crest. Under normal circumstances it is suspended, having no effect on Matou Sakura's body."
The crest worm would suck all of her magical energy as its power, then eat her flesh as nutrition. It means she would have her body consumed after her magical energy was sucked dry."
"If you have a Magic Crest, you should well know how painful it is.
Even the faintest trace of a foreign substance puts a human body through discomfort, and can even be life-threatening. Having another creature entwining its nerves with your own, moving within you, would easily be enough to kill you."
If her condition keeps up, her body will not last long, and her mind will be destroyed. She has a Magic Crest all over her body, after all.
You should understand how absurd that is, Rin."
"…Yeah. Even though it should be familiar with my body, I still periodically get the urge to cut off my arm.
I'm like this with one arm, so her function as a human being should be violated if she has it all over her body.
She's no magus, but a cluster of Magic Circuit. The human mind should be overwritten by the wave of magical energy."
>But the term I should have said
i.e. You were fucking wrong and need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up
Not a single person spoke about the worms doing anything out of their own sexual desire. You are not only fighting strawmen at this point you're fighting ghosts.
"Extraction would be difficult. The crest worm has already integrated itself into her Magic Circuits. Even the one who implanted it wouldn't be able to extract it now.
…Yes. If you wanted to extract it, you would have to rely on a miracle, or the Holy Grail."
She is now constantly using magical energy to maintain her Servant. If she cannot spare any for her crest worm, what will the starving worm do?"
"…I see. Regardless of the conditions, it'll drain her body to acquire the magical energy it's not getting
You mean you want the scene where she takes them off, right?
Whore of Babylon please leave, do not sully my king with your vile presence and your utterly horrible taste in attire..
Sakura was definitely a magical experiment anyone that states otherwise didn't actually read HF. He was trying to turn her into a grail for the past 10 years.
Tis not my fault you know nothing of fashion.
>Not a single person spoke about the worms doing anything out of their own sexual desire. You are not only fighting strawmen at this point you're fighting ghosts.
I was talking about the raping part which is about sexual desire and the desire to assert dominance. Which is not something the worms have, it is an issue framed with humans.
I was talking about replacing the term with 'fucking' because it is more about getting back on topic instead of talking about about the definition rape.
They have two different names (刻印虫 and 淫虫), different shape (penis like and thin, spaghetti-like), and different description (hellish omnivore rape-familiar and harmless monitoring device). I think it's pretty sure that they are different.
>I was talking about the raping part which is about sexual desire and the desire to assert dominance
>You can only rape a person out of sexual desire and dominance.
Like I said Senator, you and your "legitimate rape" really are fucking retarded. If what you are saying is true in any way shape or form then I could go out right now and fuck anyone I please as long as I do it for laughs as according to you its not rape so I can't be charged for it in that way.
Without Caster we wouldn't have the best version of Saber.
I said something about Rin and called her Senpai, you both immediately thought I was saying it from the perspective of Shirou "I'm a SWORD" Emiya when you aren't supposed to self-insert into an insane ally of justice who is part SWORD.
>>114557468 gets it.
Fasion? Such as the words of a whore wearing such a whorish attire. You should distain yourself from proclaiming that your primitive prostitute uniform has any merit in battle. However must I say at the very least that No-name coward has some sort of decency within his appearal nearside and farside of the mooncell.
The conversation on the whole seems to be a misunderstanding of both parties here. I can understand the defenders side here, because I think no one can misunderstand that she was violated as a human being or claiming she was some virgin princess, but too often it's diminished as an act of rape rather than what it actually is, human experimentation. So if we could all agree that it's primarily not a sexual thing, but grotesque torture, than I think that should satisfy both sides here.
To be honest, she ought to be given more creit for just waking up in the morning and going about her day. The fact she even wanted anything to do with magecraft after being freed from that should be something praised more, thought that is just my opinion.
Except that is still violating humans and related to rape because it is still related to the issue of asserting dominance: You didn't gain permission to fuck and ignoring the right (not to mention you if your penis hardens it typically means you are aroused)
It has cute maids doing cute things with violent courses of rape. Check it out it's called Tsukihime.
Yeah, there are different types:
刻印虫 - Kokuinchuu
What was planted inside Sakura and Matou Kariya. Worms that will continue to eat the Prana of the user and do nothing more than transmit whether the user is still alive or not.
Forces the body itself to physically remember the thaumaturgy of a line and hence is regarded. Can expand one's circuits (and will eventually act as artificial circuits in one year) and speed up acquisition of thaumaturgy in a short amount of time provided training. Cost in that case is extremely shortenned life (only a few years) in addition to the pain factor (as well as being turned into a puppet).
Sakura's worms were made from the remains of the 4th grail.
淫虫 - Inchuu
The lowest of familiars. Used by Zouken. Worms that love feasting on the blood, marrow, and energy of humans. Will shatter the spine of males and suck on the brain, turning them into cripples. Will feast on the mental energies of the women instead by sexual stimulation through the nervous system.
Why would I hide myself when it is better to let my subjects see that they better worship Caesar?
>they don't self insert as the female
Why is implied sex so rare in anime?
Isn't this a late night anime? Why is it so hard to just have a fade to black shit? White Album 2 did one of the best "sex scenes" I've seen in any anime, I don't see why F/SN couldn't do something similar.
So you got called out for assuming senpai means older and then you say you know but some other person must have been using it that way because in your head its the only reason.
In the same post you call someone else out on backpedaling.
Irony thy name is /a/non.
if you use a different tem, it'll have a different spelling for the name, let's not get nitpicky here. Additionally, when she was running out of magical energy in one scene, they transformed and ran through her muscles and organs and started suffocating her while running through her bloodstream. They are magical, so it's not hard to think they have additional forms, being familiars.
Indeed, see not ravage. Whore or babylon are you that desperate that they worship you in bed rather than loyalty. Such are the makings of a whore and a tyrant.
>Or are you self-inserting as Shiki now?
>Not always self-inserting as HnM school girl Shiki
That's not the only reason. I was also going off the fact that he made a reference that made no sense for the context and then got butthurt and insisted everyone who called him out was a self-inserting faggot. Seems pretty childish to me.
I accidently forgot to also copy this part.
>Will not normally eat the flesh of women, but the uterus is one of their favorite meals. Will consume the placenta once sexual pleasures, enough to fry the nerves in the brain, are given to the victim.
So basically they sort of behave like tapeworm (knocking around to demand food), but instead they give sexual desire to make the person and body goes through the process produce placenta
Not sure if the lust worms still exist in RN and F/Z.
They do nothing but render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
Besides, what ruler should not give themselves in mind, body, and spirit to their people?
I don't have any statues. Mostly collect books and blurays...
But I want all the Sabers.
All of them
So you called someone out for backpedaling while backpedaling and then called them childish, while not understanding the difference between being childish and not meeting an age limit.
I-I want to study you, you fascinate me with how dense you are. Its like staring into the abyss.
The best one, he who is the most loyal, he who is the strongest, he who belongs in the hearts of many a wench and damsels
You should learn how to spell peddle first if you're gonna keep typing it over and over again like you have been in these posts. You don't want your report on me to look unprofessional.
>Still not Unlimited
Why are demotivators made by such MAL scum these days?
>Takeuchi's Noble Phantasm is Unlimited King of Knights (無限の騎士王, ?) - "The mind of a human who pursues the blonde-haired female knight he adores until the utmost limit. Employing all his skills, an infinite number of characters similar to Saber will be given life. A great delusion that erodes the stance of the company."
Indeed a true king should be able to give themselves in mind body and spirit but not taint their innocence like you have done Tyrant.A true king should not have to force his people to do anything, they should know and follow their kings direct orders out of respect and loyalty, not of violence and lust. Also may I add that your citizen's called, they want their eardrums back from your horrendous singing.
Still nothing compared to the King of Knights.
So you called someone out for backpedaling while backpedaling and then called them childish, while not understanding the difference between being childish and not meeting an age limit and subsequently don't understand that backpedal is a term based on pedaling a bike backwards.
I-Its...ITS GLORIOUS. You are the one.
They are all Zouken's familiars, and they consume the life force of the host, a familiar can have many functions. Zouken uses bugs as his familiars (remember the crickets and other assorted bugs Lancer saw throughout the temple in HF?).. They kill the host either way, so they are the same type of parasite given functions depending on the situation, but that doesn't mean they are different inherently. You have a dog, and you have a zombie dog, it's still a dog. You have worms that under such conditions are called "lust-worms" because of their effect. They are still Zouken's familiars who consume the life energy out of Sakura, but they also carve magic into her by invading her magic circuits, sort of like how Archer's arm worked. It's relatively the same creature.
Call me a whore and a tyrant all you want, Briton, but don't you dare insult my singing or I shall have to remind you who brought the isles to their knees when they tried to rise against Rome.
They have curse of restoration, where they basically regress through time to restore their body (sort of like load state), and the effectiveness depends on the phases of the moon.
I think Sakura went through both
It seems that you do not know your place Whore of Babylon, Shall I teach you some ettiquite on the battlefield? However may I ask you refrain bringing your troops, your screams might bring them as more trauma from your horrendous voice screaming.
It's because they are the same thing, notice that the bugs that are used to make another Book of False Attendant, are the same ones Zouken uses to make up his body, are the same ones used to feed on that woman in the park. They are familiars, so their functions depend on Zouken's use fot them. There, pretty simple.
So yes, Sakura has been trained among rotting corpses in the basement since she was four years old, since the same worms consume the flesh of people who've been through to the basement, like they did with Kariya at the end of Fate/zero. They also seem to eat vomit, since they lapped up what Rin threw up when she puked after seeing the basement. Even Archer couldn't stand the odor.
Speaking of Archer, when he went down there with Rin, I wonder how he must have felt. I hope the movie shows us some stuff from his perspective.
I realize how it works, I'm talking about its effect on Prana. Wouldn't Prana also be "restored" because of the curse? So wouldn't they regen Prana at a much faster rate than human beings?
Afraid of having an audience for your defeat?
Very well then, I, Nero Claudius Caesar Augusta Germanicus shall grant your last request.
Get that El-Melloi slut out of there, Waver is Taiga's man.
captcha: waver suallers
He claimed I didn't understand where the term came from. I do.
I don't think I have, but I'm sure you'd know better than me with how you've been condescending to me this entire time.
I don't recall her saying no to the worms.
It seems to only occurs for the body.
The First Substance
第一要素 - Dai ichi youso
Corpus. The body. Not in alphabetical order of course, but it looks better this way. Dead Apostles gain immortality by having an unkillable body, but the fact is a human soul isn't able to withstand the rigors of time and unlike other beings, certainly can't withstand the force of the outer world without flesh. While the body lacks a mind of its own, it does have a personality. The 3rd personality of Ryougi Shiki is her body itself.
The soul is assumed to be found in the brain and thus the interpretation is that only the brain is needed to live is prevalent among magi, including Touko. That is wrong, however. Personality can only be developed with both the body and the mind and awareness is first achieved with the body. Discarding the body and only existing through the brain means abandoning their greater sense of self and adopting the lesser sense of self. The soul with only the mind is not self-aware and would be the same as being only a calculator. Basically, a person is a composite of all three, not just two.
Yet you claimed it was spelled in a way that ties its origins to the selling of items and actively called someone else out on it with the assurance that you were right and they were wrong.
All in all: You're retarded.
Just for completion's sake:
The Second Substance 第二要素 - Dai ni youso
Anima. The soul. The blueprints of one's existence. The source of magic circuits and memory. Held together in the physical world by the brain. Something that's there and not there and probably one of those fields that is just as hard to decipher as the solution to Schrodinger's Cat. The record/memory body kept by the world itself. The one eternal and indestructible object in the physical world, but unable to exist without a body. Once it obtains one, its destiny is anchored together with that body. At death, the particles of the soul disperse and descend into the Root to await their next conversion.
Treatment in the mystical world is difficult and mainly limited in contexts of examining contents or moving into vessels. The soul itself is treated as energy impossible to convert and considered to be chromatic, uncolored, energy.
Whereas spirits of nature can draw on nature for energy, human spirits can consume the souls of people and convert it into energy.
The Third Substance 第三要素 - Dai san youso
Spiritus. The mind/the persona/spirit. Found in the brain. Whereas spirits of nature can draw on nature for energy, human spirits can consume the spirits of people and convert it into energy.
The Fifth Substance 第五要素 - Dai go youso
Ether. What Servants are made out of. Apparently. Better known as the element Ether of the Aristotles system.
The Sixth Imaginary Substance 第六架空要素 - Dai roku kakuu youso
Demons. A power that materializes through the wishes of humans. Just as the greater spirits also need images provided by humans to materialize. The retina of Rider's eyes are made up of this. At the same time, it's also been called ether. A different type from the 5th?
I know what a bike pedal is and how it works and why it is relevant to the term backpedal. That is what he said I misunderstood. That is what I was addressing when I said that I did in fact understand. Yes, I spelled it wrong. That was my mistake and I admitted it. But it doesn't mean I don't know what the thing is.
Of course not, however I might regret not having your people witness their Tyrant's demise I shall bring them your head afterwards.
En garde Whore of Babylon, I Great Britian's SIr Gawain of the Round Table shall bathe the battlefield in your blood.
If Kariya (with the worms in him) became a Dead Apostle, what would happen?
If he ran out of prana, would the worms just devour him but he would continue to regen because of being a dead apostle? I imagine the pain would be unbearable but theoretically wouldn't he stay alive?
You read those scenes wrong, if that had been her, she'd have guts and stuff all over her the next morning. It was a projection. You don't remember that one of her natural powers was to make clones and the Shadow used her powers with it's own to hunt out for life energy?
I see a lot of people bring this up but they forget something integral: Zouken's off his fucking rocker. His entire problem is that he has more well planned good intentions but his soul degradation is clouding his judgement.
Pretty sure the black shadows are entities that Sakura unconsciously control and have connections to.
Black Shadow [???]
Source: Fate/side material (2004-1-30), p.060
A mysterious existence, that gives the impression of a jellyfish out of water.
Normal attacks have no effect on it, so its appearance is a portent of doom. There is nothing to do but wait to be engulfed and erased.
Just when you think you've got a handle on how things work after the Saber and Rin routes, this thing shows up as a surprise enemy out of nowhere.
It was a favorite of the chief director. In fact, he loved it so much that he actually tweaked the event CG where it first shows up and used it as his desktop wallpaper.
>Q: In Sakura’s Route, what happened to the devoured Gilgamesh? Saber was blackened and enslaved, but was Gilgamesh’s will too strong to be dominated? Or was he completely digested?
>A: He simply cannot be controlled. In fact Gilgamesh cannot be blackened. After being devoured by the Grail, Sakura converted Gilgamesh into mana in haste because she was afraid that Gilgamesh might tear her up from the inside if she does not digest him. However, His Majesty was very hard to digest, so “Angra Mainyu” must have been plagued by belly-ache (laughs).
Nasu seems to suggest the black shadows are part of Angra Mainyu which Sakura have a direct connection to during those moments.
It was her with Gil, but the game already explained how the two were merging. You didn't catch how in the second dream she saw the Shadow feeding and then woke up terrified and looking at her hands, which were totally clean? Pay attention. Shirou recognized the link between them because he has a good sense for that, and it is tied to her magical energy.
There was a reason why they deliberately pointed out the last dream with Gil was different, and the reader should catch how she explains that she feels closer to the entity for some strange reason, but brushes it off. Ye gods, no one ever reads the details before headcanoning.
Zouken ditched that straight after the 4th war (if that was ever even the intension), he planned to only turn her into a grail and did that for 10 years. he didn't expect her to survive it either or for it to work. It wasn't even remotely a real goal. Then you have the fact she has been attacked by the lust worms.
So it's basically confirmed that plan was utter shit.
"zouken is lolcrazy" is the stupidest fucking argument ever. I see this pop up every time this discussion happens.
He isn't retarded. In Fate/UBW he doesn't even fight in the war because he is going for the long run. How would he use Sakura if she would be a fucking grandma by the 6th war? He was obviously planning to use her children.
>"zouken is lolcrazy" is the stupidest fucking argument ever
It is the contents of his grand epiphany when he dies. He says that he lost his way and his mind was clouded and is at peace with dying if living meant he'd have kept on the wrong path.
You could give him the benefit of the doubt, however, the fact that he made familiars to preserve himself that require him to ingest flesh (and has been for untold decades) shows otherwise. And this was well before you can give the excuse of Soul Alzheimers.
Him forgetting his purpose =/= he is literally crazy. You guys are trying to argue "lol zouken doesn't know what the fuck he is doing, he is senile" when that isn't true. His judgement was only clouded when it came to his original purpose.
Honestly I just hope for this with fade to black.
His speciality is in familiars, so there would be no need to go cheap, especially on preserving himself. Mind you, he was using them when he was still young looking when the ritual was made, and by then was already 300 years old. Plus Zelretch said that the Makiri and Einzberns were purely corrupt, so I stand by the fact that the dude may have had dreams of a utopia for mankind, but never cared how he did it, so it'd still fit his last gasps before he died. That just means he was a sociopath who devolved into pure villany.
The other way around, going cheap he actually is doing his best to preserve himself as those familiars are easy to handle and mantain, so he don't have the risk to get out of gas.
Also, there is no place where it says Zouken did such a thing when he was young. Maybe he used other way to preserve his youth until the decay began, like magus usually do. The only thing we know about him is that he had a good goal and it is said he was kinda a nice guy. Maybe Zelretch just saw how he was beginning to decay and decided that he was pretty much in a downward spiral to corruption.
But it is also related to the nature of the family.
TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:
Q: Why did Zelretch give the design of the Jewel Sword to Tohsaka Nagato, who had the least potential amongst his pupils?
A: This student Zelretch took during his journey was mediocre, cold, and bipolar. Even Zelretch exclaimed "Hey, are you crazy or something?" However, Nagato was a good man who is "willing to sacrifice himself for a better future". Although the Einzberns and Makiris were brilliant, they were fundamentally evil. Nagato was mediocre but good at heart.
Zelretch concluded that "this House will probably never accomplish anything great, but at least they will never stray from the righteous path". He then gave the design to Nagato and told him "alright, it will be a struggle, but work towards this goal".
Where there is a will, there is a way. The Tohsaka lineage stubbornly followed the teachings of the great master, and finally, after the gentlemanly Tokiomi, accomplished the impossible.
I don't know why the Einzbern or Makiri are brought to that answer or what they have actually to do with Zelretch. They weren't their pupils or nothing even remotely similar, unlike Nagato.
Pretty mh because he was a top tier magus that saved the world and in the process of doing so was bitten. His allegiance is still largely the same despite also having some with the vampires
But he frequently took pupils and he was there at the original grail ritual.
Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg [Person's name]
Also known as the Wizard Marshall, Zelretch of the Jewel, and the Kaleidoscope.
One of the five True Magicians.
(He also had a role as one of the Dead Apostle Ancestors, but because it was not relevant to the story of Fate, that part was cut.)
A magus who was symbolized by gem stones. An eccentric old man who raged at evil with a passion, but laughed at do-gooders.
He frequently took in pupils, but no mage house had emerged as successors to take over his mantle.
Once upon a time, he engaged the King of Vampires in single combat. He pushed back a boulder falling from the heavens in a feat of power. Such a monster was Zelretch.
However, since then he had aged significantly. It seemed that he could no longer wield Magic the way he did, back when he was at his prime.
By the way, the pupils he took in almost all became wrecks.
There was a related episode in the True End of Sakura Route. The Department Heads at the Mage's Association said, "What should we do? If we don't send in the most promising candidates, no one is going to come back from the ordeal. But if we send in the most promising candidates, we are going to take a huge loss if they are turned into wrecks." Such was their dilemma.
>I don't like cute things
Life must be hard for you
I dont care about being spoiled, just tell me what is the deal with that.
I wont be reading the book, come on. Dont be a jerk. You know I would tell you if we where in reverse situation.