Never mind those faggot clowns.
Who was phone?
It could have been Yomo.
They had a suspicious shared glance at the lab and he just let Yomo snatch up Rize.
Reminder that if you actually believe
>Clowns leaked Anteiku into out to CCG
you need to improve your reading comprehension
So after finally reading the entire thread and all of everyone's speculah, I've decided on agreeing with some people's conclusions and have added my own:
1. Pierrot did not leak Anteiku to CCG, that was V. but they enjoy fucking around with the plot for their own amusement. So Chaotic Neutral, not Evil
2. CCG and V are working together to maintain order, but only the higher ups are aware of this.
3. Before Kanou left the CCG his first experiments were on Arima, who is the original human-turned-ghoul. He's so strong that he doesn't need to use Kagune and/or he uses Quinque to avoid suspicion. This is why he had that look of empathy before
Yeah screencap is far more plausible. The pierrot just seem like hedonist trolls; clown likely only targeted Rize for some sweet deal he was offered by Kanou and co without much thought to it, and to prevent her from eating all their easy meals in the ward. The massive shockwaves this caused was just some unexpected bonus entertainment.
This I think is bullshit. Kaneki's just a normal kid, who has childhood memories of a mother and father. To make those fake would completely negate the importance of his mother's unwise self-sacrifice mirroring his own.
1. Clowns just like to laugh, which is their natural traits. Why blaming them for all the deeds they haven't done.
2. V maybe involved in this but who know what flip shits they may do.
3. >Kanou experimented on Arima
This isn't tragedy, Kaneki saying it doesn't make this story one you faggot.
Also excusing shit ending because it's tragedy is dumb.
Kill yourself, that won't be a tragedy to anyone because no one loves you.
some people though
Well don't forget Kanou used to work for the CCG before he defected. Whatever it is that he learned about them (likely V and CCG collaboration), he decided to side with Aogiri against them.
So, do you think Kaneki was really the first time he had ever experimented on Human/Ghoul hybrids? He had to have experience somewhere. The fact that Arima is so ungodly powerful as a human for no explained reason is kind of strange. That, and the shared birthday and the premature white hair, and I have to wonder if Arima isn't Kaneki's predecessor.
>no tragedy to anyone
Now where is the twitter page that Ishida himself said this tragedy wouldn't stop to shut
this anon's delusion?
By the way, there are two threads,where should I go now?
>Sequel will be announced in 2 weeks, trust me on this
>The protagonist dying a pathetic death is the bread and butter of tragedy.
Not at all.
I'm fucking sick of /a/'s retardation. Some genius threw the word "tragedy" out there and every anon and their moms are jumping on it like hyenas on carcasses. But ask one if they have any knowledge on tragedies and they'll all say no.
What's so hard about you guys being in denial? Deal with it, they are just hedonist troll, not evil like tumblr and manga fag who can't read do.
It's sad to see their being clowns but the fandom is taking it too far that it's actually trash now.
>is that a joke translation?
It's probably a "bad" translation. Their masks and actions fall under the category of traditional clowns.
The only one that could be called a Pierrot is Nico for having a tragic clown mask.
>You have the rights to name the case
I fucking lost it.
I can't be doin this mane
The fact that Kanou experiment something before doesn't mean it's Arima. Kanou defected from CCG 4 years ago so it didn't match with how godly Arima was in Uta's flashback. Hell Arima was strong already in Tokyo Jack.
His white hair is just the result of stress after loosing his comrades and intense battles against ghouls.
Accelerated through torture. Maybe Kaneki's transformation would've happened slower naturally over time, but being broken and healed and broken again over and over sped up the process.
Hmm, the timeline does kind of weaken my argument, but we don't really know how long Kanou was with the CCG, so it could just as easily mean he's been doing Human/Ghoul stuff for a lot longer than initially implied.
>The ownership rights are yours
>What are you going to do about the name?
>Kanekator Mackerel Ultra 1.0
What would you name Kaneki quinque, /a/?
What episode 12 has left to cover
>Kaneki's entire internal monologue with Rize
>Finish off Ayato
>Noro leaves with Ayato
>The entire Owl fight
It's a lot of shit to cover.
And they wasted so much fucking time on doing stupid bullshit like having Yamori vs Mado.
Furthermore they're running Kaneki's character into the ground as a spineless wimp even more.
>Banjo promising he'll help Kaneki so he isn't completely isolated unlike in the manga where he knows there's no hope of help
I fucking swear. If Kaneki gets freed or gets any help from anyone with Yamori, I'll lose it.
Current version we have is just a stopgap. It's chock full of errors, but since it came out lightning quick, that's totally forgivable.
Immortalizing it on a site is not such a good idea.
>for those who forgot what was basically said in chapter 1
Chapter 1 also said that Kaneki has a destiny. Except now Yet he didn't fulfill any sort of destiny whatsoever, unless of course his destiny was just to die and have the manga continue without him. But that's generally not how destiny works in literature (manga included).
Let's take this further. Kaneki himself was the one who said something about how his life would be a tragedy if it was made into a novel. But Kaneki is apparently dead, so how could he articulate that analysis of his life? Does this prove that Kaneki is 100% alive?
No, none of these mean jackshit. Reminder that Kaneki also said that he's just a normal guy and not the protagonist of a story, except he is.
There was no downfall concerning Kaneki though (death is not downfall). You can argue that becoming a half-ghoul was a downfall in the first place, but at the point where we are in the manga it's simply not true, that declaration of Kaneki's was valid for the very beginning of the story where he thought he would become a murderous monster. The only way it can maybe concern the story again is if Kaneki did eat Hide.
Also, your definition is extremely simplistic as it glosses over the thematical work or the moral messages of the genre. Not that those are always present, but a story simply about bad things happening to a character over and over just because is not tragedy, it's misery.
When you think "tragedy" you have to define what sort of tragic model you're talking about. The classical Greek model? The more modern ones? Keep in mind that there is debate over whether or not more modern works are actually tragedies or not. In everyday language "tragedy" simply means something bad, just like how "drama" means conflicts between people, except the 2 words have completely different definitions in the field of literature.
We can further this discussion if you can analyze why TG is a tragedy and of what kind.
I just watched episode 11 and reading chapter 49 now. I am fucking mad how the anime betrayed my Tokyo Ghoul experience.
>tries to defend himself
>acts out of rage because of needless killing who don't deserve it
>gets slapped around
>will probably act out of rage because tortured angsty teenager bullshit
They killed his character development so much
Also, any other manga that has the MC turn into the monster/be forced into it to defend himself/someone else?
I'm caught up with Berserk/SnK, TG was actually pretty good in the regard.
>Yet he didn't fulfill any sort of destiny whatsoever
>There was no downfall concerning Kaneki though
He became his mother. That you missed that this was the penultimate thing of his character arc is quite an achievement.
If you haven't read the Iron Knight oneshot it's pretty good. Granted the actual series sucks complete shit.
Tail Star was on track for this same kind of principle but it stopped getting translated for like a year and only recently has a chapter come out.
Kaneki is crazy enough to retain personality even as Quinque right? Even better, Quinque with DID.
Autism Lord and crazy talking case, together they go on journey to undestand themselves and each other. And eat. Fundit damn it.
If he really was selfless, he wouldn't have fought, simple as that. Thinking he's some sort of superman that can fix everything and ignoring pretty much everyone's warnings makes him more selfish if anything, with the pretense that he's just trying to help both worlds
>Tsukiyama learns who's with the last parts of Kaneki
l just hope he doesn't go stupid and fight Arima on sight, seeing some crazy smart revenge plan would be cool.
I don't have any really strict definitions. I'm looking at things mainly from the scope of classical tragedy and the few modern works I'm familiar with. My definitions mean nothing, I might be looking at things wrong. But so far I haven't seen any actual explanation of TG as a tragedy other than "life sucked and then he is kill", and again, that has nothing to do with the literature-related definition of the word.
I just don't think we should be talking on the subject until the official release of the final chapter and receiving worded confirmation that the story is over and there won't be anything concerning the TG universe again.
Because if we do, then we should also say something like "Tokyo Ghoul is a tragedy, it's also a shitty story that crashes its development and literally ends with the author saying 'xD i troled u did you rike it'".
So if he was selfless he would've sat back and did nothing? He wasn't completely selfless, because it was partially to satisfy himself, but then again who can be considered completely selfless?
What major mistake or sin did he commit that led to his downfall? He's not perfect (because he was quite insane), but the only reason why he "died" is because he tried to save his friends and ran into Arima.
>too anticlimactically for an MC.
He pulled some of the craziest shit we've seen him do against Arima. 6 giant tentacles, getting stabbed through the brain and eye and continuing to fight.
The only thing he didn't do was go Centipede, which probably would've been worse considering more firepower is worse than more sanity against Arima.
>Arima fucking destroys Tsuky but doesn't kill him, just incapacitates him completely
>Arima proceeds to masturbate with Kanekinque in front of him
Found this precious on baoto, why do ppl go here anyway?
>Uta (and the rest of the Clown Mask gang) planned it. He planned it all along. In the pursuit of entertainment, he manipulated Kaneki's entire tragedy, so that the innocent Kaneki would be broken, twisted, and hurt beyond repair - and finally come to suit his mask. All in the name of "fun".
I still have no idea what happened to kaneki... looks like he became Arima's quinque, but then Eto said they would make kaneki again, and touka has faith in him so she believes he's still alive? Maybe i'm just being dumb and in denial, the suffering is just too great
The Clowns really didn't do that much. They enjoy watching Kaneki's suffering and that does make them assholes, but overall they did little.
Hell, even if was just for fun, they saved Kaneki from Rize and gave Rize was she deserved.
As for bad things, they probably just spread Kaneki's information around. Otherwise, what the hell did they even do that was bad toward Kaneki? It's still implied Shinohara and V tipped off the CCG for Anteiku.
It was like Veritas all over again, hyping things up then suddenly it will end
Just like his mother that was so dear to him, he made the mistake of stretching himself too thin, to be the saint.
My case is probably weak, but I'll start by reiterating a few things.
I don't think Tokyo Ghoul, as a world, is even close to over.
I do think that Kaneki's story has ended, though, and that's why I feel we can have this conversation. Kaneki's story is what I believe to be a tragedy.
The concept of a literary tragedy across the ages is far more complex than can be learned from a few minutes on wikipedia, but let's go with a simpler and more general Greek definition: "Tragedy is, therefore, an imitation (mim?sis) of a noble and complete action [...] which through compassion and fear produces purification of the passions."
Mimesis and catharsis are complex enough concept on their own, but from my (very simple) understanding, mimesis is the recreation, imitation, or portrayal of something, and catharsis is a cleansing of all the negative emotions that built up along the way, meant to resonate with the audience.
A more liberal interpretation of the above definition is that a tragedy can be the story of the best intentions with horrible consequences + catharsis, which is exactly what happened with Kaneki.
Stop me right now if I'm wrong, else I will continue.
>people actually enjoy decent character development and dark stories
Fuck me man
What kinda sick fuck does this to his manga
If Kaneki has only been 'erased' then that could mean that the same thing happened as to Rize. She was 'erased' too
It is interesting how he has erased on his portrait but the ghoul above him doesn't.
Because the fandom can't take the idea that Uta is a big boss so they try to blame him for everything that happened to "our precious babu Kaneki".
Kaneki is suffering ~ so laughing at him is a big no-no , and everyone who do that is labeled as "assholes" and that particular aashole just tick fandom's jimmick so much that they went full retarded over him.
Deal with it, Kaneki got into all this mess because of himself, just like how Touka said to him.
Think there's any meaning to the "100-13" on the ceiling?
>Kaneki is just the first tragedy
>Tokyo Ghoul goes around to a bunch of characters making you feel for them
>Believing their plot armor will keep them alive
>And then just when you want plot armor to kick in the most, he pulls the rug from under us and kills the MC of the story
i wasnt ready for it
We all know Kaneki has lived an unfortunate life since the very beginning. We all know of how his mother worked herself to death because she could not choose between Kaneki and her sister. We all know what happened on the night he walked home with Rize.
After that particular incident, Kaneki initially tried to find a place to belong, being a freak of nature. He did carve out a tenuous niche, one constantly threatened by outside factors. First, his only friend, Hide, was threatened - he resolved that by overcoming the obstacle, Nishio. Then he grew close to the Fuegichis and Touka, and not only did he need to protect them, he tried to bridge the gap between humans and ghouls through his contact with Amon. That's an enormous task, yet it took it up by himself, and actually managed to succeed to that end in this instance. Never do we question why he feels the need to do so, because his actions all sound perfectly reasonable, yes? Hide was his lifelong friend. Hinami was just a kid who had lost her parents, almost like Kaneki.
Later, he felt the need to protect Nishio and Kimi against the Gourmet. We can understand why, right? Though Nishio treated Kaneki terribly, he and Kimi were living proof that the gap between humans and ghouls could be closed. That there could be an understanding between two species that had been at odds for a time nobody seems to know. Even if Kaneki didn't realize this, we, the readers, were meant to.
Then Kaneki was captured by Aogiri.
>Kaneki got into all this mess because of himself
You can't blame him for wanting to fuck Rize. You can't expect every girl who reads books in a coffee shop to be a literal man-eater.
Getting turned into a ghoul was just bad luck.
Tsukyiama liking hm was also bad luck.
And he was literally just trying to work in a coffee shop when Yamori abducted him.
After that, the rest is his fault, though.
Wait, if Aogiri and Dr. Kanou is working together the whole time, why they are still hunting for Rize on the first place?
In Yamori's torture chambers, we are shown Kaneki's memories of early childhood. He guides us through his life, showing how his mother had died by stretching herself too thin. Here, Kaneki is shown admiring and respecting her for working so hard. But Rize, who is solely a product of his imagination, is questioning whether that was the right choice. Kaneki at this point has already realized subconsciously the error of his mother's ways.
>"Instead of becoming a person who hurts others, become a person that gets hurt"? Are you really okay with that kind of thinking?
>But you might have to throw away that precious friend of yours, too.
Rize may be the one we see talking, but again: she isn't real. These thoughts belong to Kaneki alone.
Yet even after this exchange that shows that he knew why being like his mother was a bad idea, he failed to act on it.
He failed to choose, and thus lost everything.
You could make a case for the sequence that follows, of Kaneki "taking Rize's strength for his own" being cathartic, but this isn't over yet.
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God fucking damnit, I had only two pages left to read.
The only answers this chapter gives is that Uta and co. are responsible for almost everything that happened to Kaneki. Ayato is black rabbit and yoshimura is new test subject.
Kaneki got squished like a pathetic little worm and Amon even died offscreen.
If there's no part 2 with Kaneki and Amon being alive I will go on a rampage and never forgive Ishida.
I don't go there, I just know that the idiots who are devastated over this - like the guys who made that petition - are from Tumblr. I saw how the SnK fanbase was taken over by them, I know their stench.
Now Kaneki is strong. Now he has the power to protect his friends. Isn't that great? So it's not a crazy line of thinking to believe that it's reasonable to do so, right? Only Kaneki's baggage has grown, with Banjou and Tsukiyama joining him. But it's alright, isn't it? Both of them are completely loyal now. Tsukiyama has his strength and connections, and Banjou is too likeable.
Now Kaneki is on the prowl for some answers about Kanou. Only it's not that simple. He's cut himself off from Touka, and no longer puts Hinami on the field. His lack of contact with Touka has its negative effects on her boiling over in chapter 120. Hinami, rather than being able to help Kaneki like she'd be happy to, is downgraded to just dead weight. But again: Kaneki's actions aren't completely unreasonable. Touka wanted to go to college, and associating with a "dangerous" ghoul like Kaneki would be detrimental for that. Hinami is just a kid. She doesn't need to be on the battlefield - she needs to be protected, and Kaneki has the strength to do it, so why not?
But then he meets Orca, and his perception of his own relative power is shattered. He was very lucky to escape alive, twice even. Recall how Orca asked whether to kill him, as if swatting a bug. This should have served as a warning to Kaneki, but he did not pay heed, and neither did the reader. It'd all work out if he just read more kung fu books, sparred with Tsukiyama, and ate more ghouls, right?
Then we reach the final arc, and number of Kaneki's treasured people has expanded yet again, this time to include the rest of Anteiku. And why would he not help them? Koma and Irimi were so kind to him early on in the series. Yoshimura gave Kaneki his new life, and wasn't his own story so very sad? So it'd be natural to extend a helping hand to them in a time of need, wouldn't it?
only one more, I promise
True. Those people need to stop with their current bullshit because the wiki is now trash because of them.
Just to get it out, Imperial didn't do too great on the "eating" thing. The line he repeats is
Except he has furigana for each "eat", them being "take," "protect," "part/lose," "err/wrong/mistake." They keep adding "I" when he started the list with "we".
I personally would have translated the list as something like
>We can only eat, only take.
I like to think it means Kaneki's eating the corpses in v14. Yay head canon
Fucking shite it's really over? What the fucking fuck, I was fine with the series up until this chapter.
Godamit. Just went from a solid 8.5 to like a 6.
What a shit end.
Kaneki tries to help. Not just in any way, no. In his own heroic fashion, suddenly arriving on the scene and saving the day. At the same time, he's again shouldering the task of trying to forge an understanding between humans and ghouls by aiming only for quinque. From what we know, this endeavor amounts to nothing but his own death.
In spite of knowing that it was a bad idea, instead of listening to the various warnings, despite everything, Kaneki repeated his mother's mistake. Ten times over. He didn't listen to Touka telling him that being like that was incredibly selfish. He didn't listen to Tsukiyama's tear-stained begging that was so very innocent and childlike. He failed to choose, and overextended himself, and paid the heaviest price.
Every step of the way, we agreed with his actions. We thought it nice that he protect his friends. We thought it nice that he tried to convince humans that ghouls are just people too. We thought it nice when he was strong enough to do so decisively. We thought it reasonable when he said he had an obligation to help the doomed Anteiku three. He was only doing what any sane, caring human being would do in his place. That is the "mimesis".
In chapter 140, he fully realizes that he has repeated his mother's mistake of playing the saint, and breaks down. But he accepts this. The "true" Kaneki cares not that he made this mistake, because it's all over. There will be no more suffering on account of others.
>My salvation is just to sleep.
Catharsis is the sweet release of death.
you're probably not reading this anymore, but if you are pls respond ;_;
Well, going by all those red spider lilies around Kaneki kid and Kaneki Ghoul, I would say either he is death(by the meaning of the flower) or we are never going to meet him again(the other meaning of the flower). Choose what makes you happy.
He doesn't want to wake up from the dream, Anon. No matter how much suffering is in the dream, it's better than reality.
Besides, "waking" from the dream could actually just be death.
You know, it really seems like Ishida's really pissed off about the anime so he pulled off this shit.
>"fuck this adaptation they fucking butchered my story"
>"well guess what, I'm just going to end the manga now"
>makes last chapter coincide with last episode
>puts in shit about "pierrot having the last laugh" as a huge fuck you
I could, yes, but have no motivation to. Imperial made a lot of stupid mistakes, but aside from the title and the "no prisoners in Cochlea," the meaning got roughly across.
Basically, it's still better than Kawa.
If the writer's intention is really just to fuck with the readers, it can happen.
But to be perfectly honest it's a terrible ending, and not because Kaneki dies. Some of the best stories ever written end with the MCs dying, it's just not handled like this.
If there's a sequel, Kaneki appearing in it or not, the ending will be saved.
The anime is a TV ad for the manga. Why would he end his manga because he didn't like the ad?
Don't know yet. But Ishida did comment on the last chapter. Anyone understand a moon of it?
Let's recall the significance of the number, four.
Not in Tarot, but simply in culture.
Across all of eastern Asia, four has an association with death, and is regarded as an unlucky number.
In Chinese, ? (sì: four) is almost a homonym with ? (s?: death)
Well, that's all I have to say. That is why I think Tokyo Ghoul fits the bill as a tragedy.
An ending in the darkness tone, would’ve been better.
>The anime is a TV ad for the manga. Why would he end his manga because he didn't like the ad?
I don't know, I'm really just taking a shot in the dark here. It just seems really weird for him to end the manga here. If there isn't a sequel, then it feels like a personal issue Ishida has; maybe even an issue with Shueisha.
I already posted what he said in the previous thread. Or one of them.
>I've gotten the advantage!
To be noted though, the ToC doesn't list this chapter as ???. I know from checking out the 81 diver series that it -should-.
The problem with TG being a Tragedy, is that usually, every thing ends with the MC dying. There is no "what was X?" or "Why show Y if you are not telling about this anymore?". This is not Tragedy, this is abrupt ending.
Bigger since I can't see a shit of it either.
There fucking better be a sequel or something further down the line.
Getting all butt flustered and ending your best selling work because the anime adaptation of it was shit, is fucking childish and stupid.
You missed the point.
Kaneki's story, Kaneki's arc is a tragedy.
The world that is Tokyo Ghoul will presumably continue and solve those "dropped" plot points and amount to something more than just Kaneki's tragedy.
Those are the bases I was speaking from.
>The world that is Tokyo Ghoul will presumably continue
If there is a continuation, yeah. If not, the world is over. Come on, man, if this was Kaneki's Story, why are we knowing things not even Kaneki knows?
>I've gotten the advantage!
Thanks but it doesn't really mean anything... or is he referring that getting the ending is a good thing for him, to actually do anything in the future?
I think it will be a sequel, it's just they haven't decided on the day.
yeah well I'm banking on it
Though I'd say even if it didn't continue, Kaneki's character arc was still the tragedy I described in itself. You just remove all the incomplete plot points and poof.
Even if Arima didn't exist it would have happened sooner or later. I think you're missing the point. Would it have made you happier if Kaneki showed up, instead of Eto, as Owl fell? And he was killed by the 5 or so special class investigators there?
It isn't just Kaneki's story. It's Kaneki's tragedy alongside everything else. I'm saying what we have thus far is enough to constitute this tragedy. The incomplete plot points are irrelevant to that.
Think there will be a sequel, but Kaneki might actually be dead.
While I think his character arc had a satisfying conclusion (I'm mostly talking about 140 here, but the curbstomped by captain autism part) , I'm not sure I could continue reading if he's actually dead.
Fellow worshippers of Arima , I think I'm doubting our lord and saviour now.
I mean he's too BASED , undefeated , Kaneki didn't even scratched him even a little bit , hell even the other pro's was kill/lost limb.
He's either a hybrid ghoul or is drinking that ghoul juice.
>I'm a firm believer that it will continue with a new main character
I'm 100% okay if this happens. I'll even accept Kaneki's dead if this was just a prologue of something big. I was expecting something bad for Kaneki since chapter one, but finishing the serie here and now is not what I expected.
All this page leads you to believe is that they fucking harvested the wounded CCGs on the battlefield to use on their experiments, also the whole talk about missing people, sadly Kaneki has nothing to prove he's not dead.
I have a feeling that this entire shitstorm with
>muh plot points
>muh new mc
Is exactly what Ishida wanted with the anime ending and the manga selling pretty well. Perfect time to start the continuation really.
He just wants some of the jew gold.
This. And this >>113643520
Well, it would work if Amon became the MC I guess. TG was interesting to me because the MC did his best to stay pure and tried to reconcile the 2 worlds. If it just focused on some shitty genocide monster (of either side) it'd be shit.
He'd get his jew golds by just continuing TG normally really. But still you're right.
>sadly Kaneki has nothing to prove he's not dead.
Aside from that he was talking all chapter.
We aren't exactly sure what makes a black case quinque. Like for example, Narukami in Uta's flashback was a black case.
All we know is he got a new one, which would be either from Irimi, Koma, or Kaneki.
But how long does a quinque take to make? Mado got Hinami's mother's pretty fast, but Juuzou's scythe took like 6 months. All the stuff in 143 seems to be literally the next afternoon, not even a full 24 hours later.
Yes, that is what you were meant to gather. Amon is now a test subject, but Kaneki is dead.
>Amon targets only Quinque when fighting investigators, just like Kaneki did
>has a confrontation with Arima
>recognizes the centipede and breaks down, crying
Why don't they just kill him?
I'm not a /sci/ guy and all but can he still survive that like 0.000001 chance?
I mean for what purpose are they still keeping him alive?
>a half breed ghoul with retard manlet blackmode strength
jesus christ it's over
>you will never see the original japanese version of this spread
>you will never see a properly executed english version of this spread
I'm seriously impressed that the chinks went through all that trouble, but it's saddening all the same.
I have a feel if there is a sequel/continuation, we will get a bastard revival of Kaneki via some implant - kaneki was unusually powerful as said by Kanou plus we know quinque can be sentiel. Or even crazier, a Arima merged with Kaneki (definitely doable). That said, I am fine about Kaneki off for good though, if this whole 143 chapters of TG is merely a giant prologue.
It can still be premeditated it could imply any number of things.
"this PART of the story is over"
or "now while we wonder if kaneki is kill we see other shit for a while, find out he's alive and rescue arc"
or even 3deep5me "end of kaneki tragedy but now he's reborn as ghoul jesus was meant to be and the healing can finally begin."
"kaneki is kill and we get new mc"
pls no kill ;_;
all these things are variations on the premise of he planed this entire part of the story
At this point we don't really know
But chapter 72's title meant something like "part" (part of something) or "half" as in "half a year has passed". It didn't mean halfway, the fucking retarded translators have done a terrible job again.
Autismo anon here. I'd argue Ishida planned all of this.
No, Ishida has definitely been meta with chapters/volumes before. I have some examples saved.
What is being half killed again? Having 103 bones broken. Not convinced? There's more.
88th training session, in the 88th chapter.
Easy there hotshot. Some people aren't convinced.
13, death, and 7, the chariot, meeting in chapter 137
Finally, Arima's oddly specific wording that became a joke.
I'd still argue that "7" and "13" aren't obvious enough for what Ishida does. His 12s on Kaneki are blatant, his 2 on Touka, the 15 on Seidou, right in your face. Those are subtle as fuck and could literally be coincidence.
Well, Kaneki was literally full of sevens before.
Kaneki's 12 is the most important of those, so I'll post that next. Seidou's 15 is in the chapter where the investigators are writing their wills - he breaks down and starts crying, and a 15 forms from his tears.
Dunno about Touka's 2 though.
Okay, suspended-animation-but-not-dead characters
if you think he was actually KIA as listed by the CCG YOU need to go back and read some more
Here's the 12, across the forearms. We've linked this to tarot, but I don't feel like going into that now.
Of all the tarot numbers, this 12 and Juuzou's 12 are the most significant, in my opinion.
I have a strange question, actually. How, exactly, do half-ghouls show that ghouls and humans can live alongside each other?
They're still predators. They still can't eat human food. All they have is perspective, on how they used to be human. Like, if they were some kind of uber-breed with the strengths of both species and none of the weaknesses, I would see the point.
But as it is, not so much.
It's fine as long as they can kill ghoul.
>injure the normal humans they're supposed to be protecting
Their job is only involve killing ghoul. Anything else is just secondary.
I may be reading too much into this, but on the color page where it shows Touka, there's a message on her shirt. It says "SEE YOU NEXT"
Someone make a new thread:
NEVER FORGOT 09/18/14
Kaneki Ken - Chapter 143
But they still feed off humans. More, she doesn't really have a human perspective, as she was raised as a Ghoul in a place that was basically hell on earth. (If I'm reading this correctly.)
Even if the two species can breed, one still feeds on the other.
Fine, I'll fucking go into it.
I don't know what manner of wizard found the numbers and made the connection to tarot correspondence, but he did, and posted that here. We've made our own interpretations going off of that.
In tarot, 12 is the Hanged Man, associated with:
Sacrifice — Letting go — Surrendering — Passivity
Suspension — Acceptance — Renunciation — Patience
Notice how his face is drawn in that page - his right side, the one with the human eye, is distorted, looking almost as if it's sloughing off. Here, Kaneki is "letting go" of his humanity and accepting his ghoul, his own personal monster.
But what does it mean to be human? This page right here. Among Kuzen's poetic musings this is probably the least flashy, but it's at the very core of the series. To be human is to care for others, to protect, to cherish life and the rules that act in that respect. You see ghouls like Tsukiyama and Rize sneering at "human" values like being kind.
From this point forth, Kaneki is significantly less human.
He has no more qualms about harming those who would disturb his sanctuary. He will lop off a limb or two. He will break half the bones in your body. He may even torture and kill you. His friends are marginalized too, oddly enough. Rather than being real people that you care about and interact with, they were simply objects to Kaneki. In that same analogy Kaneki used to justify plucking bad beans out, he reduces his friends to nothing more than beans as well, to be kept dark and dry and safe.
What's also interesting is that Juuzou goes through this exact process in reverse.
It's true. If this means anything, I don't know.
Y'know, militaries around the world also recruit people like that. I'm not saying this in a sneering:
> "Oh, the military is FULL of psychos."
way, but that a little eccentricity is allowed when it comes to getting the job done. Let's say that one of the CCG guys is a cross-dresser, and he insists on mincing around in stiletto-heels and a miniskirt when off-duty. Sure, he's kind of a freak, but he singlehandedly put down thirty Ghouls in one long, awful night of violence.
Or there's that totally chuuni guy who insists on being addressed only by his 'soul-name', 'Yami the Dark' or something equally retarded. He's a flake, but his squad hasn't taken a single loss since he signed on.
The good outweighs the bad, is what I'm saying. When your business is violence, you attract a lot of strange people.
>Like, if they were some kind of uber-breed with the strengths of both species and none of the weaknesses
Actually, if you merge Eto and Kaneki, you get exactly that. Eto has strength and intelligence that transcends either race, barring the godless abomination that is Arima. Kaneki was able to live peaceably in both worlds. Combine the two and you have the perfect being.
>Even if the two species can breed, one still feeds on the other.
The circumstances behind Eto's birth showed that despite that fundamental difference, humans and ghouls could still reach an understanding. V wants no such message getting across.
>Their job is only involve killing ghoul. Anything else is just secondary.
No, their job is to protect humanity.
Anyway, that's like the most overused and retarded trope ever in this sort of situation. Every single time the humans who are fighting against the monsters have to be insane, unlikeable trash. Thankfully not everyone here is that way, but it'd be good to see an actually professional and normal cadre without any shitty loose cannons in it do the job.
We CSI now
Also to note is the connection between white hair and inhumanity.
All characters who were portrayed with bone white hair, and not simply blonde, also forgot the significance of life as Kuzen describes.
I just talked about that above.
He was bent on exterminating all ghouls, even if he had to trick himself into thinking they were all just monsters and not people.
See all the stuff he says about not caring whether others die. Upon regaining his humanity, if the joker oneshot is to be taken as a continuation, his hair becomes black.
He's a killing machine. Also self explanatory.
In short, all those retards going on about arima sibling/clone theories need to shut the fuck up
is there a way that its been added by the ppl scanning it or translating it or... i dont know. i really want this to mean something but my heart doesnt want to be hurt again ;_;
Basically, he thought he could be a hero. But sometimes, you're not the protagonist of the story, just one of it's many victims.
Like, to Arima, this is all just another day at work. Life isn't wrapped up in a neat package with beginnings, a middle and an ending. Sometimes you walk down a dark alley or catch a bullet, and it's the end.
God, this all could have been avoided if he just waited in the sewers with Hide, and not come out until Arima was called away to subdue Eto.
What a terrible sequence of unfortunate events.
What I find strange now, with the info from 143, is the casualty list in 142. Many of the 'Dead' investigators are missing bodies, but CCG still labels them dead. We know they were taken alive by Aogiri Tree, so no point for CCG to hide this as 'Dead' if they also knew. So, missing bodies during war = 'Dead'. BUT Hide is labelled 'missing', the ONLY one labelled missing. So, his circumstances should be different. He is 'missing' but the CCG believe he isn't 'dead'. Why?
It's shown in the very same chapter that the CCG has no qualms about falsifying/otherwise tampering with shit, like how they erased Kaneki's existence.
That said, to what end I could not tell you.
Perhaps Aogiri does indeed have Amon, and the CCG found only his arm and drew their conclusions from that and Takizawa's body.
Perhaps the "Aogiri test subject" thing is a red herring and the CCG themselves have him and will experiment on him.
I'd say they're on the same level.
They will both merge together next week and will cause the japanese fans to turn into bloodthirsty animals.
Ishida and Pierrot better run for their lifes.
I meant that the other investigators whose bodies they couldn't find (atleast 12) were listed as 'Dead' but only Hide whose body was also missing was listed 'Missing'.
My personal 'hope' depends on this being important.
The suitcase in the end can't be Kaneki. It wouldn't make sense at all.
It took the CCG more than 6 months to turn Yamori's Kagune into a quinque. The stronger the Kagune the longer it takes to produce a quinque.
Turning kaneki into a quinque would take a very long time and since chapter 142 only a few days have passed.
This is way late, but look again. The only centipede that chapter are the kagune "hands" pulling Ixa out of Kaneki's head, and the attack that immediately follows. You can tell those are his Kakuja from where they sprout from his body - along his abdomen, like a centipede's legs.
After that attack, he has calmed down and pulled his mind together somewhat, and goes back to his rinkaku.
Look at those last spreads: Kaneki's final tentacle cannon that was the most effective attack against Arima of all time was formed from his regular rinkaku. protruding from the base of his spine.
>Why Kaneki is alive
He has insane reg abilities. He probably cut off his arms or some shit, a huge chunk of his body, let it there, for Arima to harvest and fled the scene. Probably helped by Hide, who knows.
Or their clothing, etc.
And that's the reason why I believe Hide and Amon are alive. But no, they're like "oh, missing investigators, yeah they're all dead." It seems fishy as fuck.
That's not how I used "maybe". It makes no sense for him to be turned into a weapon 2 minutes after he's been killed, and yet the briefcase can't be disregarded. So it's either a red herring and shows that Arima got a new Quinque, or it just contains a part of Kaneki, maybe taken away because they actually don't want to kill him but want him alive (or at least partly alive)?
I like that Ishida set up a situation where none of the characters seem to know where Kaneki is. Except Hide, because he always knows. Kaneki's triumphant return will make a great twist in the sequel!
What wounded Kaneki that made him run for the sewers?
>It makes no sense for him to be turned into a weapon 2 minutes after he's been killed
What's the timeframe? How long does it produce a quinque on average? Wouldn't Arima, the alpha male of all top dogs, get top priority when it comes to creating better quinque?
Also given how Kaneki was swept under the rug, I'd wager they wanted to be done with all that as soon as possible.
It took more than 6 months to turn Yamori into a quinque.
How long would it take to turn Kaneki into a quinque? 1-2 years?
Kaneki can't be the suitcase next to Arima. Only a few days passed between the events of chapter 142 and 143.
Hinami (they would make a good duo)
I can't believe it's really happening tier :
I'm kinda disappointed tier :
Hinami's mother was weak as fuck and Mado literally just stuffed her kagune into the suitcase. She wasn't a kakuja and no half ghoul either. Her Kagune isn't even close to the power level of Yamori or Kaneki.
Mado fought with the pure Kagune of ghouls while Arima and many other investigators fought with quinque blades, guns, lances, spears etc.
I can't believe a few weeks ago, we we're all discussing how Kaneki would be rescued.
So how did Arima know Kaneki's name?
They're not a military organisation.
>Kaneki ate Hide, Hide gone.
I have an issue with this.
Why was Hide down there in the first place? Hide has no combat ability and ghouls are known for brutally murdering humans. He wouldn't be down there alone and conveniently only met with Kaneki and none of the other escaping ghouls
That Hide was a hallucination.
The CCG was building up a case for Kaneki Ken, as a human who was made into a ghoul.
Arima had that background information, and deduced who Kaneki was in that chapter. Remember that look of sorrow earlier.
>Why was Hide down there in the first place?
he was looking for kaneki
>unlikely he only met kaneki
he had the battle plans. He knew where ghouls were likely to appear and where they were likely to go
>he was a halllucination
never mind you're just dumb
>Tokyo Ghoul sequel
>Hinami and gang spend months searching for Kaneki
>finds out he's been cloned in a secret government project
>Kaneki reemerges with Hide, who is missing an arm and a leg he sacrificed for Kaneki
>"Kept you waiting, huh?"
>Metal Ghoul Solid: Corpse Eater
A classical tragedy has much more to it. First of all, the Hero has to be someone of noble descent or of Godly origins. That's one strike. THen it has to be a battle against Fate. A battle that can't be won. Gods laughing at Humans and all that kind of thing.
This was no classical tragedy, and for what it matters, no tragedy.
so part 1 is a comedy and part 2 is going to be an actual tragedy?
So, as a prerequisite, every tragedy in the history of ever must have "gods smiting down humans"? Are you fucking serious?
If so, what was chapter 139, then? Kaneki was too full of vanity and pride, so Arima struck him down.
Where the fuck is any of this coming from? I looked at definitions of Greek, Roman, and Renaissance tragedies, and none of the have anything near what you described as a prerequisite for being defined as a tragedy.
>mfw Kaneki is still alive from some major ass pull
Since Kaneki was a lowly peasant, yeah, it's a comedy.
>MC isn't noble or of godly nature
>Does not fight a losing battle against Fate
>Isn't of heroic nature
Dude, it's no classical tragedy.
Eh maybe in the "classic" sense then.
Been a while since A Level english, but the definition of tragedy has changed in the past 100 years of so - there are plenty of tragedies that fit the mould except for the hero being of noble descent, because of the trend towards "ordinary" heroes rather than nobility or gods.
Okay, you got me.
>MC isn't noble
fuck off Corneille
>or of godly nature
that's was never a part of fucking anything
>does not fight a losing battle against fate
his fate was to repeat his mother's mistakes and die, and die he did, no matter how hard he tried
>isn't of heroic nature
>Hang on Anteiku, I'm coming to save everyone!
Please fuck off