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Never mind those faggot clowns.
Who was phone?
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>>113639649
confirmation that Kaneki is dead prob
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>>113639649
Aogiri, probably.
It's a neat disconnect to see Mr. Kung-fu using a cell phone
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>>113639681
It could have been Yomo.
They had a suspicious shared glance at the lab and he just let Yomo snatch up Rize.
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Reminder that if you actually believe
>Clowns leaked Anteiku into out to CCG
you need to improve your reading comprehension
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So after finally reading the entire thread and all of everyone's speculah, I've decided on agreeing with some people's conclusions and have added my own:

1. Pierrot did not leak Anteiku to CCG, that was V. but they enjoy fucking around with the plot for their own amusement. So Chaotic Neutral, not Evil

2. CCG and V are working together to maintain order, but only the higher ups are aware of this.

3. Before Kanou left the CCG his first experiments were on Arima, who is the original human-turned-ghoul. He's so strong that he doesn't need to use Kagune and/or he uses Quinque to avoid suspicion. This is why he had that look of empathy before suitcasing Kaneki.
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Arima and Kaneki have the same birthday. Does this have any significance?
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>>113640055
Probably not. It's just there to thicken the plot or something like that. Could mean something like rebirth or renewal.
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>>113640055
Maybe
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>>113639826

Yeah screencap is far more plausible. The pierrot just seem like hedonist trolls; clown likely only targeted Rize for some sweet deal he was offered by Kanou and co without much thought to it, and to prevent her from eating all their easy meals in the ward. The massive shockwaves this caused was just some unexpected bonus entertainment.
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>>113640055
>>113639953
There's also the premature white hair.
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>>113640055
Yeah, kaneki was a clone.
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>>113640055

The better question might be to ask is if Ishida really has used any rd herrings yet? How closely does he follow Chekov's gun mentality in his writing?
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Have faith, the messiah will return one day.

;_;
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>>113640170
This I think is bullshit. Kaneki's just a normal kid, who has childhood memories of a mother and father. To make those fake would completely negate the importance of his mother's unwise self-sacrifice mirroring his own.
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>>113639649
Wait, he's wearing a SHIRT?
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Is ishida sensei's last tweet significant? It said somthing about sleep and kaneki said his salvation was sleep
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>>113640252
He said his salvation was the happy dreams in sleep.
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I am actually legit crying right now.
Give me some healing /a/
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>>113640234
>who has childhood memories of a mother and father.
>father
Well technically he doesn't remember his father but I get what you're saying
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>>113640234
Not if she was a the surrogate mother and she raised him.
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>>113640286
Kaneki is dead. He's been healed, Anon. You should rejoice, for his suffering hath ended by the hands of our Lord and Savior, Arima.
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>>113639649
At least we now know who's in the black rabbit mask.
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>>113640286
Crying at our own inability to protect Kaneki is all we can do.

If only we'd been stronger.
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>>113639953

1. Clowns just like to laugh, which is their natural traits. Why blaming them for all the deeds they haven't done.
2. V maybe involved in this but who know what flip shits they may do.
3. >Kanou experimented on Arima
>what?
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>>113640277
Yeah but both have to do with sleep. It's odd that was the final tweet
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>>113640340
Oh yeah because it's not like everyone knew it was Ayato the second the black rabbit appeared.
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>>113640352
Who would have thought Tsukiyama would be the most relatable character?
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>>113640340
Like it was a fucking mystery. The speculations were literally
>Ayato
>Someone new guy
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>>113640286

>Kaneki is kill
>By Arima
>Not clown

How's that a healing to you anon?
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>>113640403
Pls no bully.
Kaneki is alive, he's just hiding.
Seriously, I can't think of an mc that had that pathetic a death - he can't be dead, I'm not in denial.
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>>113639649
Is chapter translated already?
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>>113640286
Sequel will be announced in 2 weeks, trust me on this
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>>113640441
What part of TRAGEDY don't you understand?

The protagonist dying a pathetic death is the bread and butter of tragedy.
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>>113640457

yes, go read ya slowpoke.
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>>113640352
But aren't we just protecting ourselves? We're selfish. We only want to protect Kaneki because we don't want to be alone.
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>>113640475
This isn't tragedy, Kaneki saying it doesn't make this story one you faggot.

Also excusing shit ending because it's tragedy is dumb.

Kill yourself, that won't be a tragedy to anyone because no one loves you.
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>>113640383
>>113640394
some people though
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>>113640458

>Sauce?
I don't trust anyone anon.
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Now I just hope Arima slaughters all these clown faggots with Kaneki quinque.
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Itori and Uta taint this picture now.
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>>113640355
Well don't forget Kanou used to work for the CCG before he defected. Whatever it is that he learned about them (likely V and CCG collaboration), he decided to side with Aogiri against them.

So, do you think Kaneki was really the first time he had ever experimented on Human/Ghoul hybrids? He had to have experience somewhere. The fact that Arima is so ungodly powerful as a human for no explained reason is kind of strange. That, and the shared birthday and the premature white hair, and I have to wonder if Arima isn't Kaneki's predecessor.
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>>113640530

>That final anon's comment.

Jesus christ, where is this faggot at around here? How awful does it feel to be so spectacularly wrong?
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>>113640530
Hey, I posted in that image.
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>>113640524

>no tragedy to anyone
Now where is the twitter page that Ishida himself said this tragedy wouldn't stop to shut
this anon's delusion?

By the way, there are two threads,where should I go now?
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>>113640574
Arima's white hair wasn't instant like Kaneki's though, it happened over a long period of time.
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>>113640588
>>113640593
Found him?
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>>113640531
Last page of the mag didn't say it was ending.
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The Clowns Gang name is pierrot? like the anime studio? is that a joke translation?
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>>113640619
Nah, I was the wall of text Anon in that.

One of the guys saying Eto wasn't Owl apologized in another thread.
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>>113640608
Link to the other thread, I can't find it on the catalog?
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>>113640458
>Sequel will be announced in 2 weeks, trust me on this
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>>113640475
>The protagonist dying a pathetic death is the bread and butter of tragedy.
Not at all.
I'm fucking sick of /a/'s retardation. Some genius threw the word "tragedy" out there and every anon and their moms are jumping on it like hyenas on carcasses. But ask one if they have any knowledge on tragedies and they'll all say no.
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>>113640563

What's so hard about you guys being in denial? Deal with it, they are just hedonist troll, not evil like tumblr and manga fag who can't read do.

It's sad to see their being clowns but the fandom is taking it too far that it's actually trash now.
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>>113640630
>is that a joke translation?
It's probably a "bad" translation. Their masks and actions fall under the category of traditional clowns.

The only one that could be called a Pierrot is Nico for having a tragic clown mask.
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>>113640630
Piero means clown in Japanese.
The more you know.
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>>113640678
>tragic

Is this a new meme?
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>>113640692
Yes, best mene of 2014.
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>>113640655

What about when Pierrot fucking LAMPSHADES the whole tragedy bit, for those who forgot what was basically said in chapter 1? It seems you're conveniently ignoring this part.
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>>113640644
Stop being new.
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>>113640630
I dont doubt its the creators nod to the people who are doing the anime adaption.
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>You have the rights to name the case
I fucking lost it.

I can't be doin this mane
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>>113640574

The fact that Kanou experiment something before doesn't mean it's Arima. Kanou defected from CCG 4 years ago so it didn't match with how godly Arima was in Uta's flashback. Hell Arima was strong already in Tokyo Jack.

His white hair is just the result of stress after loosing his comrades and intense battles against ghouls.
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>>113640622

--> 113639860?
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>>113640655
Oh, you're back?
Could you please enlighten us as to the definition of a true literary "tragedy" now?
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>>113640692
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierrot
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>>113640826

Fuck it i can't type
>>113639860
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>>113640655
>a play dealing with tragic events and having an unhappy ending, especially one concerning the downfall of the main character
Literal definition of Tragedy.
If the shoe fits...
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>>113640613
Accelerated through torture. Maybe Kaneki's transformation would've happened slower naturally over time, but being broken and healed and broken again over and over sped up the process.
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>>113640776
Hmm, the timeline does kind of weaken my argument, but we don't really know how long Kanou was with the CCG, so it could just as easily mean he's been doing Human/Ghoul stuff for a lot longer than initially implied.
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I just watched the anime and they left out a lot of details. Fucking pierrot studio should burn in hell.
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>The ownership rights are yours
>What are you going to do about the name?
>Kanekator Mackerel Ultra 1.0

What would you name Kaneki quinque, /a/?
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>>113641044
The Suffering.
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>>113641044
quinken.
quincentipede
kanekinque
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>>113641044
Kaneki. Fuck you fancy chuuni names.
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>>113641097
Why bother naming it all then? Just Quinque should do.
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PSA that the clown gang being named "Pierrot" is possibly a mistranslation, as "Pierrot" (pi-eh-ro) is the general Japanese word/cognate that is taken to mean any sort of clown.
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>>113641093
kanekinken
it was there all along
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>>113641019
What episode 12 has left to cover
>Kaneki's entire internal monologue with Rize
>Fighting Yamori
>Rescuing Banjo/Touka
>Fighting Ayato
>Ayato flashback
>Finish off Ayato
>Noro leaves with Ayato
>The entire Owl fight
It's a lot of shit to cover.
And they wasted so much fucking time on doing stupid bullshit like having Yamori vs Mado.
Furthermore they're running Kaneki's character into the ground as a spineless wimp even more.
>Banjo promising he'll help Kaneki so he isn't completely isolated unlike in the manga where he knows there's no hope of help
I fucking swear. If Kaneki gets freed or gets any help from anyone with Yamori, I'll lose it.
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>>113641044
His/its name is Ken because the chapter is named Ken.
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So why isn't the final chapter up on Batoto yet? i want to see that nice, big "Complete" marker there instead of "Ongoing".
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>>113640984

No he was in Germany CCG and then went to Japan being a doctor ( if my memories were correct).
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>>113641106
The name should still be unique to avoid confusion. You wouldn't name your variables variable1 variable2 variable3, right?
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>>113641143
No one has the heart to upload it
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>>113641153
Hey Hirako grab Black Box #2 out of the office.
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>>113641143
Current version we have is just a stopgap. It's chock full of errors, but since it came out lightning quick, that's totally forgivable.

Immortalizing it on a site is not such a good idea.
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>>113641153
>Not naming your ints number1, number2, number3
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>>113641019

Do we even talk about the anime here anymore??

>>113641044
Let's just name him Ken Kaneki so that Touka will recognize him.
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>>113641153
Kuroiwa literally names all his quinques Kuroiwa Special.
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>>113641153
That's what I do when I have to name things.
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So much for healing.
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>>113641187
Debugging that is complete ass, though.
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>>113641225
Where were you? I saw Kaneki get healed.

Everyone else is still fucked until Arima comes around and heals them all, though.
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>>113640720
>for those who forgot what was basically said in chapter 1
Chapter 1 also said that Kaneki has a destiny. Except now Yet he didn't fulfill any sort of destiny whatsoever, unless of course his destiny was just to die and have the manga continue without him. But that's generally not how destiny works in literature (manga included).
Let's take this further. Kaneki himself was the one who said something about how his life would be a tragedy if it was made into a novel. But Kaneki is apparently dead, so how could he articulate that analysis of his life? Does this prove that Kaneki is 100% alive?
No, none of these mean jackshit. Reminder that Kaneki also said that he's just a normal guy and not the protagonist of a story, except he is.

>>113640904
There was no downfall concerning Kaneki though (death is not downfall). You can argue that becoming a half-ghoul was a downfall in the first place, but at the point where we are in the manga it's simply not true, that declaration of Kaneki's was valid for the very beginning of the story where he thought he would become a murderous monster. The only way it can maybe concern the story again is if Kaneki did eat Hide.
Also, your definition is extremely simplistic as it glosses over the thematical work or the moral messages of the genre. Not that those are always present, but a story simply about bad things happening to a character over and over just because is not tragedy, it's misery.
When you think "tragedy" you have to define what sort of tragic model you're talking about. The classical Greek model? The more modern ones? Keep in mind that there is debate over whether or not more modern works are actually tragedies or not. In everyday language "tragedy" simply means something bad, just like how "drama" means conflicts between people, except the 2 words have completely different definitions in the field of literature.
We can further this discussion if you can analyze why TG is a tragedy and of what kind.
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>>113641137
>>113641190

I just watched episode 11 and reading chapter 49 now. I am fucking mad how the anime betrayed my Tokyo Ghoul experience.
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>>113641137

>Manga Kaneki
>tries to defend himself
>acts out of rage because of needless killing who don't deserve it

>Anime Kaneki
>gets slapped around
>will probably act out of rage because tortured angsty teenager bullshit

They killed his character development so much
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>>113641182
If Kawa's shitty scans can be immortalized there, there's no reason a half-baked scanlation won't do the trick.

>>113641243
His destiny is to be Arima's Quinque.
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>>113641187
I've had to debug that before; fuck you.
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>>113641225
Someone needs to make one of those suffering verticals from Koe no Kitachi for TG.
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>>113641273
>His destiny is to be Arima's Quinque
Who knows, maybe it isn't that bad.
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>>113641273
>His destiny is to be Arima's Quinque.
Sequel about Arima called Tokyo Investigator?
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>>113641137
Ishida fucking told it - the ''Pierrot'' will have the final laugh.
Studio Pierrot killed the anime.
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>>113641206
He only uses one at a time, so it doesn't get too confusing unless he talks about his past weapons.
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>characters get what they deserve and die
>/a/ cries
why. he had it coming
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>>113641270

Also, any other manga that has the MC turn into the monster/be forced into it to defend himself/someone else?

I'm caught up with Berserk/SnK, TG was actually pretty good in the regard.
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>>113641243
>Yet he didn't fulfill any sort of destiny whatsoever
>There was no downfall concerning Kaneki though
He became his mother. That you missed that this was the penultimate thing of his character arc is quite an achievement.
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>>113641356
Why? He literally did nothing wrong.
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>>113641259

Mad... like chapter 143 mad level. Stop going to /a/ anon, it's full of spoiler and rage and come back here when you are done.
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>>113641356
But Kaneki's only tragic flaw is trying too hard to help others, while being selfless.
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>>113641243
Could you please outline exactly what makes a work a tragedy? You seem to have very strict and specific definitions, but you don't seem to want to share them.
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>>113641359
Madox 01
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>Everyone wants to keep the ghouls around except the good guys

I get the feeling we're still not being told something about the state of the outside world.
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>>113641409
That was all it took.
>>113641394
See every other post in this thread.
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>>113641394
Reckless abandonment
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>>113641439
We've been told Germany has its shit together regarding ghouls.

Thanks to Hitler, no doubt.
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>>113641439
Imagine how strong black ghouls are.
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>>113641409
But you see anon, ghoul jesus has to die first before he can rise from the dead.
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>>113641443
Enough for a tragic death, but hard to say he deserved it.
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Can't wait for part 2
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>>113641359
If you haven't read the Iron Knight oneshot it's pretty good. Granted the actual series sucks complete shit.
Tail Star was on track for this same kind of principle but it stopped getting translated for like a year and only recently has a chapter come out.
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Kaneki is crazy enough to retain personality even as Quinque right? Even better, Quinque with DID.
Autism Lord and crazy talking case, together they go on journey to undestand themselves and each other. And eat. Fundit damn it.
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>>113641409
If he really was selfless, he wouldn't have fought, simple as that. Thinking he's some sort of superman that can fix everything and ignoring pretty much everyone's warnings makes him more selfish if anything, with the pretense that he's just trying to help both worlds
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>>113641526
So the investigator Jesus killed the Ghoul Jesus, so he can revive and they can both become saviors for their respective sub-species?
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>>113641359
Ajin
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>>113641527
Not phrased like that, no, but to say he was completely blameless and made no errors is simply falsehood.
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>>113641425

Is that an anime?
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>>113641572
Ajin is a better Tokyo Ghoul than Tokyo Ghoul
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>>113641572
That doesn't fit in that well because of the MC's quirk.
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Now that it's over, what's your score?
9/10 it's mediocre
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>>113641603
Aside from some slight overlap in the premise, the two are incredibly different from one another.
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>>113641603
No, Ajin went full retard after the author left. Now it's just a hilarious trainwreck.
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>>113641622
3/10
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>>113641648
No one has even touched flying planes into buildings, even ZnT pussied out
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>Tsukiyama learns who's with the last parts of Kaneki

l just hope he doesn't go stupid and fight Arima on sight, seeing some crazy smart revenge plan would be cool.
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So why does Arima know Kaneki? Is he part of the higher ups as well?
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>>113641534
>Autism Lord and crazy talking case
Fucking lucky Arima. I wish I had my own Kanekicase. Would still fund it
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>>113641420
I don't have any really strict definitions. I'm looking at things mainly from the scope of classical tragedy and the few modern works I'm familiar with. My definitions mean nothing, I might be looking at things wrong. But so far I haven't seen any actual explanation of TG as a tragedy other than "life sucked and then he is kill", and again, that has nothing to do with the literature-related definition of the word.

I just don't think we should be talking on the subject until the official release of the final chapter and receiving worded confirmation that the story is over and there won't be anything concerning the TG universe again.
Because if we do, then we should also say something like "Tokyo Ghoul is a tragedy, it's also a shitty story that crashes its development and literally ends with the author saying 'xD i troled u did you rike it'".
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>>113641706
Arima is autistic, he reads everything to do with ghouls and Kaneki Ken was declared missing and of possible link to Binge Eater.
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>>113641044
Kaneki Dildo
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>>113641564
So if he was selfless he would've sat back and did nothing? He wasn't completely selfless, because it was partially to satisfy himself, but then again who can be considered completely selfless?

>>113641580
What major mistake or sin did he commit that led to his downfall? He's not perfect (because he was quite insane), but the only reason why he "died" is because he tried to save his friends and ran into Arima.
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>>113641694
Committing suicide and avenging his best friend at the same time. That sounds viable.
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Fairly certain he comes back to life some how. He died waaaay too anticlimactically for an MC.
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>>113641813
>too anticlimactically for an MC.
He pulled some of the craziest shit we've seen him do against Arima. 6 giant tentacles, getting stabbed through the brain and eye and continuing to fight.

The only thing he didn't do was go Centipede, which probably would've been worse considering more firepower is worse than more sanity against Arima.
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>>113641813
That's the point. Special snowflake MC? Doesn't matter, have a fuck you.
Now I know how I want Bleach to end.
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>>113641694
>Arima fucking destroys Tsuky but doesn't kill him, just incapacitates him completely
>Arima proceeds to masturbate with Kanekinque in front of him
>"Kaneki-kun~~"
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>>113641881

It's entirely possible the "centipede" takes over. He was sort of fighting voices before Hide found him.
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>>113641694
>crazy smart revenge plan
I believe. Tsukiyama is pretty intelligent.
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Found this precious on baoto, why do ppl go here anyway?

>Uta (and the rest of the Clown Mask gang) planned it. He planned it all along. In the pursuit of entertainment, he manipulated Kaneki's entire tragedy, so that the innocent Kaneki would be broken, twisted, and hurt beyond repair - and finally come to suit his mask. All in the name of "fun".
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https://www.change.org/p/tokyo-ghoul-stop-ishida-sui-ending-the-long-running-manga-tokyo-ghoul top kek
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>>113641889
>>113641881

>>113641926

It's also possible it ends with his own friends having to put him down.
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I still have no idea what happened to kaneki... looks like he became Arima's quinque, but then Eto said they would make kaneki again, and touka has faith in him so she believes he's still alive? Maybe i'm just being dumb and in denial, the suffering is just too great
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I bet they had to fold Kaneki thousand times to stuff him in that case.
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>>113641955
>It's also possible it ends with his own friends having to put him down.
That was the kind of tragic ending I wanted for Kaneki.
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>>113641958
>>113641958

Wait, is there more chapters out than 141?
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>>113641958
>..

Don't do this.
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>>113641939
The Clowns really didn't do that much. They enjoy watching Kaneki's suffering and that does make them assholes, but overall they did little.

Hell, even if was just for fun, they saved Kaneki from Rize and gave Rize was she deserved.

As for bad things, they probably just spread Kaneki's information around. Otherwise, what the hell did they even do that was bad toward Kaneki? It's still implied Shinohara and V tipped off the CCG for Anteiku.
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>>113641970
glorious japanese kanekipede folded over a thousand times
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>mfw people actually enjoy this edgy trash
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>>113641044
Centipede
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It was like Veritas all over again, hyping things up then suddenly it will end
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>>113642013
pshh nothing personal kid
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>>113641926
Maybe those voices werent his but the aogri and they took Hide with him, but that doesnt explain how he was regenerated.
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>>113641765
Just like his mother that was so dear to him, he made the mistake of stretching himself too thin, to be the saint.

>>113641754
My case is probably weak, but I'll start by reiterating a few things.
I don't think Tokyo Ghoul, as a world, is even close to over.
I do think that Kaneki's story has ended, though, and that's why I feel we can have this conversation. Kaneki's story is what I believe to be a tragedy.

The concept of a literary tragedy across the ages is far more complex than can be learned from a few minutes on wikipedia, but let's go with a simpler and more general Greek definition: "Tragedy is, therefore, an imitation (mim?sis) of a noble and complete action [...] which through compassion and fear produces purification of the passions."

Mimesis and catharsis are complex enough concept on their own, but from my (very simple) understanding, mimesis is the recreation, imitation, or portrayal of something, and catharsis is a cleansing of all the negative emotions that built up along the way, meant to resonate with the audience.

A more liberal interpretation of the above definition is that a tragedy can be the story of the best intentions with horrible consequences + catharsis, which is exactly what happened with Kaneki.
Stop me right now if I'm wrong, else I will continue.
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>>113642048
personnel
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>>113642013

>people actually enjoy decent character development and dark stories
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what if nagachika eats kaneki suitcase

what happens if eat suitcase
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Fuck me man

What kinda sick fuck does this to his manga
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Kaneki really is a suitcase now
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>>113642098
The sick fuck who created Penisman.
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>>113642076
Go on.
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ROCKS FALLS EVERYONE DIES: The Manga
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If Kaneki has only been 'erased' then that could mean that the same thing happened as to Rize. She was 'erased' too
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This is so depressing
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>>113642146
Kaneki confirmed same situation as Arata and is used to manufacture kakuja quinques.

We have been played like a damn fiddle yet again.
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>>113642076

demanding more.
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>>113642146
It is interesting how he has erased on his portrait but the ghoul above him doesn't.
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>>113642146
>We'll never know what happens to Rize
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>http://kyoharasoto.web.fc2.com/index.html
>tfw Young Jump begins serialization of The Penisman
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Ishida just might play the "imagine the ending on your own" card when he speaks out for the final chapter.
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>All these people tweeting @Sotonami asking if 143 really is the end when the chapter comes out in a week
People really do have no tact.
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>>113642002

Because the fandom can't take the idea that Uta is a big boss so they try to blame him for everything that happened to "our precious babu Kaneki".
Kaneki is suffering ~ so laughing at him is a big no-no , and everyone who do that is labeled as "assholes" and that particular aashole just tick fandom's jimmick so much that they went full retarded over him.

Deal with it, Kaneki got into all this mess because of himself, just like how Touka said to him.
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So can we confirm that Amon is actually captured by Aogiri?

and there will be part 2?
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Think there's any meaning to the "100-13" on the ceiling?
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>>113642278
Ishida has no tact for ending a fucking manga for no reason.
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>>113642278

They got the bait of Japanese government huh?
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>>113642076
>Kaneki is just the first tragedy
>Tokyo Ghoul goes around to a bunch of characters making you feel for them
>Believing their plot armor will keep them alive
>And then just when you want plot armor to kick in the most, he pulls the rug from under us and kills the MC of the story
i wasnt ready for it
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>>113642309
Wait. This is from chapter 87. I'm dumb.
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>>113641754
>>113642137
We all know Kaneki has lived an unfortunate life since the very beginning. We all know of how his mother worked herself to death because she could not choose between Kaneki and her sister. We all know what happened on the night he walked home with Rize.

After that particular incident, Kaneki initially tried to find a place to belong, being a freak of nature. He did carve out a tenuous niche, one constantly threatened by outside factors. First, his only friend, Hide, was threatened - he resolved that by overcoming the obstacle, Nishio. Then he grew close to the Fuegichis and Touka, and not only did he need to protect them, he tried to bridge the gap between humans and ghouls through his contact with Amon. That's an enormous task, yet it took it up by himself, and actually managed to succeed to that end in this instance. Never do we question why he feels the need to do so, because his actions all sound perfectly reasonable, yes? Hide was his lifelong friend. Hinami was just a kid who had lost her parents, almost like Kaneki.

Later, he felt the need to protect Nishio and Kimi against the Gourmet. We can understand why, right? Though Nishio treated Kaneki terribly, he and Kimi were living proof that the gap between humans and ghouls could be closed. That there could be an understanding between two species that had been at odds for a time nobody seems to know. Even if Kaneki didn't realize this, we, the readers, were meant to.

Then Kaneki was captured by Aogiri.

more coming
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>>113642210

Is that his personal web manga?
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>>113642287
>Kaneki got into all this mess because of himself
You can't blame him for wanting to fuck Rize. You can't expect every girl who reads books in a coffee shop to be a literal man-eater.
Getting turned into a ghoul was just bad luck.
Tsukyiama liking hm was also bad luck.
And he was literally just trying to work in a coffee shop when Yamori abducted him.

After that, the rest is his fault, though.
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>>113641681
Like I said, a hilarious trainwreck.
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>>113642411

Yes I agree so can everyone stops blaming the clown now because it just shows how little reading you do?
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What happens if you eat a Quinque?
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>>113642525
It's just Rc cells, so nothing. Kaneki did and turned out relatively as sane as he was before it. Which isn't saying much.
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>>113642525
Good luck digesting it.
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Just for comparison, how much advance notice is usually given when a manga ends? I assume it's more than week, like TG just did.
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Wait, if Aogiri and Dr. Kanou is working together the whole time, why they are still hunting for Rize on the first place?
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>>113641942
This is the dumbest shit.
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I have yet to read the last chapter ,did the Owls get wrecked?
I'm hoping for a triple suitcase for our lord and saviour.
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>>113641942
Shit like this makes me really happy to see the TG manga ending. Tumblr got BTFO
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>>113642636
Nothing happens.
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>>113641754
In Yamori's torture chambers, we are shown Kaneki's memories of early childhood. He guides us through his life, showing how his mother had died by stretching herself too thin. Here, Kaneki is shown admiring and respecting her for working so hard. But Rize, who is solely a product of his imagination, is questioning whether that was the right choice. Kaneki at this point has already realized subconsciously the error of his mother's ways.
>"Instead of becoming a person who hurts others, become a person that gets hurt"? Are you really okay with that kind of thinking?
>But you might have to throw away that precious friend of yours, too.
Rize may be the one we see talking, but again: she isn't real. These thoughts belong to Kaneki alone.
Yet even after this exchange that shows that he knew why being like his mother was a bad idea, he failed to act on it.

He failed to choose, and thus lost everything.

You could make a case for the sequence that follows, of Kaneki "taking Rize's strength for his own" being cathartic, but this isn't over yet.
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God fucking damnit, I had only two pages left to read.
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>>113642702
https://imgur.com/a/8tVqn#0

Here, friend.
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>>113642654

Tumblr just went full retarded because they showed their inability to read.

Why do you even go there?
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>>113642752
Thanks.
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>>113642636
The only answers this chapter gives is that Uta and co. are responsible for almost everything that happened to Kaneki. Ayato is black rabbit and yoshimura is new test subject.

Kaneki got squished like a pathetic little worm and Amon even died offscreen.
If there's no part 2 with Kaneki and Amon being alive I will go on a rampage and never forgive Ishida.
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>>113642602
I don't know but you normally are made to feel that the manga is about to reach an ending, unlike Tokyo Trainwreck.
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>>113642758
I don't go there, I just know that the idiots who are devastated over this - like the guys who made that petition - are from Tumblr. I saw how the SnK fanbase was taken over by them, I know their stench.
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>>113641754
Now Kaneki is strong. Now he has the power to protect his friends. Isn't that great? So it's not a crazy line of thinking to believe that it's reasonable to do so, right? Only Kaneki's baggage has grown, with Banjou and Tsukiyama joining him. But it's alright, isn't it? Both of them are completely loyal now. Tsukiyama has his strength and connections, and Banjou is too likeable.

Now Kaneki is on the prowl for some answers about Kanou. Only it's not that simple. He's cut himself off from Touka, and no longer puts Hinami on the field. His lack of contact with Touka has its negative effects on her boiling over in chapter 120. Hinami, rather than being able to help Kaneki like she'd be happy to, is downgraded to just dead weight. But again: Kaneki's actions aren't completely unreasonable. Touka wanted to go to college, and associating with a "dangerous" ghoul like Kaneki would be detrimental for that. Hinami is just a kid. She doesn't need to be on the battlefield - she needs to be protected, and Kaneki has the strength to do it, so why not?

But then he meets Orca, and his perception of his own relative power is shattered. He was very lucky to escape alive, twice even. Recall how Orca asked whether to kill him, as if swatting a bug. This should have served as a warning to Kaneki, but he did not pay heed, and neither did the reader. It'd all work out if he just read more kung fu books, sparred with Tsukiyama, and ate more ghouls, right?

Then we reach the final arc, and number of Kaneki's treasured people has expanded yet again, this time to include the rest of Anteiku. And why would he not help them? Koma and Irimi were so kind to him early on in the series. Yoshimura gave Kaneki his new life, and wasn't his own story so very sad? So it'd be natural to extend a helping hand to them in a time of need, wouldn't it?

only one more, I promise
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>>113642807

Read it again, please
>>113642002
>>113642411
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>>113641694
Nothing is going to happen. The manga is over.
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>>113642045
>Veritas
Well, in TG's case, there was nothing saying it's going to have a part 2.
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>>113642879
Hardly.
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>>113641942
You'd think this was done ironically but it's obviously a pure product of retard.
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>>113642129
Why do you think this? Kaneki wasn't the only Ghoul killed by him. Also, he already had a quinque.
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>>113642831

True. Those people need to stop with their current bullshit because the wiki is now trash because of them.
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>>113642146
>>113642186
TG2 Arata is going to save Kaneki or vice-versa.
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Re-reading that part about the gourmet restaurant, that was some retarded writing right there wasn't it?
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I just realized the anime and the manga will end on exactly the same day (143 will officially come out on 09/18).

BRAVO ISHIDA
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>>113642927
Kaneki was the only Ghoul he killed that had at least a half-kakuja.
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>>113642927
Read 139 again.
>"I'll need a new quinque"
>Stabs Kaneki
He didn't literally say that he'll make Kaneki his quinque, but its close enough for me.
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>>113642947
Just like plan.
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>>113639649
Just to get it out, Imperial didn't do too great on the "eating" thing. The line he repeats is
>????
>???????
Except he has furigana for each "eat", them being "take," "protect," "part/lose," "err/wrong/mistake." They keep adding "I" when he started the list with "we".
I personally would have translated the list as something like
>We can only eat, only take.

I like to think it means Kaneki's eating the corpses in v14. Yay head canon
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>>113642752
>https://imgur.com/a/8tVqn#0

Fucking shite it's really over? What the fucking fuck, I was fine with the series up until this chapter.

Godamit. Just went from a solid 8.5 to like a 6.

What a shit end.
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>>113642995
Also,140: "I already know what will happen to me the next time I wake up"
If Kaneki is actually dead, what does that line mean
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What's with that final slide? "I know that he'll return to anteiku"

They wouldn't say that if kaneki was 100% dead would they.
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>>113642975
And they will both end like absolute shit.
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How did demon ape and woof woof survived?
Didn't they go to V14 as well?
And damn I hope Arima names it Mackarel .
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>>113642995

So our lord and savior, can you do a full trans version of this?
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>>113643061
Hopeless dreams, anon.
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>>113643061
Returning as a quinque
That or Touka represents the state of denial in all the readers
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Only /lit/ will like this ending.
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>>113643061
That's the suffering for Touka , anon.
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>>113641754
Kaneki tries to help. Not just in any way, no. In his own heroic fashion, suddenly arriving on the scene and saving the day. At the same time, he's again shouldering the task of trying to forge an understanding between humans and ghouls by aiming only for quinque. From what we know, this endeavor amounts to nothing but his own death.

In spite of knowing that it was a bad idea, instead of listening to the various warnings, despite everything, Kaneki repeated his mother's mistake. Ten times over. He didn't listen to Touka telling him that being like that was incredibly selfish. He didn't listen to Tsukiyama's tear-stained begging that was so very innocent and childlike. He failed to choose, and overextended himself, and paid the heaviest price.

Every step of the way, we agreed with his actions. We thought it nice that he protect his friends. We thought it nice that he tried to convince humans that ghouls are just people too. We thought it nice when he was strong enough to do so decisively. We thought it reasonable when he said he had an obligation to help the doomed Anteiku three. He was only doing what any sane, caring human being would do in his place. That is the "mimesis".

In chapter 140, he fully realizes that he has repeated his mother's mistake of playing the saint, and breaks down. But he accepts this. The "true" Kaneki cares not that he made this mistake, because it's all over. There will be no more suffering on account of others.
>My salvation is just to sleep.
Catharsis is the sweet release of death.

you're probably not reading this anymore, but if you are pls respond ;_;
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>>113643020
Well, going by all those red spider lilies around Kaneki kid and Kaneki Ghoul, I would say either he is death(by the meaning of the flower) or we are never going to meet him again(the other meaning of the flower). Choose what makes you happy.
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KANEKI IS NOT DEAD.

>MY SALVATION IS TO SLEEP AND DREAM

100% CONFIRMED HE IS STILL ALIVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
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>>113643076
Nah, swordfish
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>White hair Arima and Kaneki are clones of the original Arima
>White hair Arima is older due to augumentation that speeds aging up
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>>113640215
But who was briefcase?
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>>113643076
They're dead, it was just a flashback.
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>>113643061
Anon, what happened to Anteiku? Exaclty, it's gone. He is going to return to the Anteiku of the other side.
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>>113643020
He doesn't want to wake up from the dream, Anon. No matter how much suffering is in the dream, it's better than reality.

Besides, "waking" from the dream could actually just be death.
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>>113643107
I am reading, 140 just hurts my kokoro too much.
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>>113643107
obligatory reading response
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>>113642975
You know, it really seems like Ishida's really pissed off about the anime so he pulled off this shit.

>"fuck this adaptation they fucking butchered my story"
>"well guess what, I'm just going to end the manga now"
>makes last chapter coincide with last episode
>puts in shit about "pierrot having the last laugh" as a huge fuck you
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>>113643107
That page just made me tear up, it basically confirms he's dead now.
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>>113643107

I do read it and I'm happy enough that you say: " He failed to choose, and overextended himself, and paid the heaviest price."

Finally someone understand it.
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>>113643080
I could, yes, but have no motivation to. Imperial made a lot of stupid mistakes, but aside from the title and the "no prisoners in Cochlea," the meaning got roughly across.

Basically, it's still better than Kawa.
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>>113643117
if you really want to believe that kaneki is alive you could argue that briefcase is one of them http://bato.to/read/_/264964/tokyo-ghoul_ch138--v2-_by_anonymous/3
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>>113643180

This is our "last one" anyway ;_;
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So what's replacing TG in the magazine?
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>>113643061
If the writer's intention is really just to fuck with the readers, it can happen.
But to be perfectly honest it's a terrible ending, and not because Kaneki dies. Some of the best stories ever written end with the MCs dying, it's just not handled like this.
If there's a sequel, Kaneki appearing in it or not, the ending will be saved.

>>113643152
The anime is a TV ad for the manga. Why would he end his manga because he didn't like the ad?
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>>113643205

Don't know yet. But Ishida did comment on the last chapter. Anyone understand a moon of it?
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>Both Kaneki and Amon died
What a fucking twist, everyone thought they would change the world.
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>>113643162
Let's recall the significance of the number, four.
Not in Tarot, but simply in culture.
Across all of eastern Asia, four has an association with death, and is regarded as an unlucky number.
In Chinese, ? (sì: four) is almost a homonym with ? (s?: death)
>>113643167
Well, that's all I have to say. That is why I think Tokyo Ghoul fits the bill as a tragedy.
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An ending in the darkness tone, would’ve been better.
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>>113643107
His only mistake was going against a retarded Mary Sue powered by autism. Jesus fuck he defeated Kaneki with his fucking "killer intent" thats just garbage writing
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>>113643243
Too small to read.
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>>113643261
Reading your post made me feel like I just wasted all that effort.

Goodnight.
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>>113643213
>The anime is a TV ad for the manga. Why would he end his manga because he didn't like the ad?

I don't know, I'm really just taking a shot in the dark here. It just seems really weird for him to end the manga here. If there isn't a sequel, then it feels like a personal issue Ishida has; maybe even an issue with Shueisha.
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>>113643243
I already posted what he said in the previous thread. Or one of them.
>????????
>I've gotten the advantage!

To be noted though, the ToC doesn't list this chapter as ???. I know from checking out the 81 diver series that it -should-.
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The problem with TG being a Tragedy, is that usually, every thing ends with the MC dying. There is no "what was X?" or "Why show Y if you are not telling about this anymore?". This is not Tragedy, this is abrupt ending.
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>>113643296
Please read the first half of >>113642076
if you can be bothered
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>>113643243

Bigger since I can't see a shit of it either.
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>>113643261

Boy why does chapter 140 exist?
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>>113643288
There fucking better be a sequel or something further down the line.
Getting all butt flustered and ending your best selling work because the anime adaptation of it was shit, is fucking childish and stupid.
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>>113643311
That has nothing to do with the story being a fucking mess of dropped plot points
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>>113643361
to be ignored by most people while pseudo intellectuals like me cream themselves
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>>113643311
Man, I'm okay with Kaneki's story being a tragedy. But that will only work if Tokyo Ghoul have a part 2. If the series ends now, that's not a Tragedy.
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>>113643370
You missed the point.

Kaneki's story, Kaneki's arc is a tragedy.

The world that is Tokyo Ghoul will presumably continue and solve those "dropped" plot points and amount to something more than just Kaneki's tragedy.
Those are the bases I was speaking from.
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b-b-b-but muh part 2
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>>113643361
Like I give a fuck, Arima was a garbage character from the moment he was introduced. Fuck a story that wastes 140 chapters on a character then has a Mary Sue kill him
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Wait a damn nigger minute what if Kai! was itori's source of info?
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>>113643404
>The world that is Tokyo Ghoul will presumably continue
If there is a continuation, yeah. If not, the world is over. Come on, man, if this was Kaneki's Story, why are we knowing things not even Kaneki knows?
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>>113643417
Stop posting this. It isn't from TG.
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>>113643291
>I've gotten the advantage!

Thanks but it doesn't really mean anything... or is he referring that getting the ending is a good thing for him, to actually do anything in the future?

I think it will be a sequel, it's just they haven't decided on the day.
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>>113643440
topkek i know
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>>113643402
yeah well I'm banking on it
Though I'd say even if it didn't continue, Kaneki's character arc was still the tragedy I described in itself. You just remove all the incomplete plot points and poof.

>>113643421
Even if Arima didn't exist it would have happened sooner or later. I think you're missing the point. Would it have made you happier if Kaneki showed up, instead of Eto, as Owl fell? And he was killed by the 5 or so special class investigators there?
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>>113643320
???????

Obtained an advantageous position?
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>>113643434
I'm not sure what you want to know, the ending lets us guess pretty much everything.
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>>113643434
It isn't just Kaneki's story. It's Kaneki's tragedy alongside everything else. I'm saying what we have thus far is enough to constitute this tragedy. The incomplete plot points are irrelevant to that.
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>>113643495
>incomplete plot points
Why show them, then? "Let me just put this irrelevant thing here so people can argue about this for days to come"
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>>113643459
Ofcourse it would, my problem is not hi death but the way it's handled.
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>>113643447
Think there will be a sequel, but Kaneki might actually be dead.
While I think his character arc had a satisfying conclusion (I'm mostly talking about 140 here, but the curbstomped by captain autism part) , I'm not sure I could continue reading if he's actually dead.
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>>113643381

That's why we need people like you on /a/, everywhere else except for /a/ is a cesspool filled with illiterate people who just accidentally get menstrual pain.
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>>113643520
*not the curbstomped
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Fellow worshippers of Arima , I think I'm doubting our lord and saviour now.
I mean he's too BASED , undefeated , Kaneki didn't even scratched him even a little bit , hell even the other pro's was kill/lost limb.
He's either a hybrid ghoul or is drinking that ghoul juice.
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>>113643513
Why show them? Again, again, again, there's more to the world of Tokyo Ghoul than just Kaneki. I'm a firm believer that it will continue with a new main character.
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>>113643447
No, it doesn't mean anything. All the comments are like that.
>You guys aren't human!
>I'm quitting being human!
It's just random shit.
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>>113643487

Thanks!
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>>113643568
>I'm a firm believer that it will continue with a new main character
I'm 100% okay if this happens. I'll even accept Kaneki's dead if this was just a prologue of something big. I was expecting something bad for Kaneki since chapter one, but finishing the serie here and now is not what I expected.
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>>113643561
>Kaneki didn't even scratched him even a little bit

But that's exactly what he did
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>>113643561
>Kaneki didn't even scratched him even a little bit

He did, Kaneki was the only ghoul who managed to scratch Arima, hooray big victory!.
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Sequel with new MC?
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>>113643669
Yes, Amon.
Of all the living characters, he is the most likely candidate.
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>>113643520

Everyone else beside Kaneki will get a shitstorm that's for sure.
I will still read it though since Kaneki is not the main reason I'm into TG.
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>>113643669
Can't you count? 12 new MCs, 10 of which will probably be fuck-up Owls.

Get ready to see success Amon and failure Takizawa and Chino.
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Next series wont be a tragedy because Uta said so.
Thank GOD, i dont think i could live with that much suffering again
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>>113643243
>????????
>I have the high ground.
It's Obi-Wan's lines.
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>>113643669
All this page leads you to believe is that they fucking harvested the wounded CCGs on the battlefield to use on their experiments, also the whole talk about missing people, sadly Kaneki has nothing to prove he's not dead.
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I have a feeling that this entire shitstorm with
>muh plot points
>muh kaneki alive ;_;
>muh new mc

Is exactly what Ishida wanted with the anime ending and the manga selling pretty well. Perfect time to start the continuation really.

He just wants some of the jew gold.
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When is a sequel usually announced?
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>>113643421
This. And this >>113643520

Well, it would work if Amon became the MC I guess. TG was interesting to me because the MC did his best to stay pure and tried to reconcile the 2 worlds. If it just focused on some shitty genocide monster (of either side) it'd be shit.

>>113643798
He'd get his jew golds by just continuing TG normally really. But still you're right.
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>>113643798
I don't know. I want to believe the whole chapter 72 title thing is premeditated
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>>113643783
>sadly Kaneki has nothing to prove he's not dead.
Aside from that he was talking all chapter.

We aren't exactly sure what makes a black case quinque. Like for example, Narukami in Uta's flashback was a black case.
All we know is he got a new one, which would be either from Irimi, Koma, or Kaneki.

But how long does a quinque take to make? Mado got Hinami's mother's pretty fast, but Juuzou's scythe took like 6 months. All the stuff in 143 seems to be literally the next afternoon, not even a full 24 hours later.
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>>113643783
Yes, that is what you were meant to gather. Amon is now a test subject, but Kaneki is dead.
>Amon targets only Quinque when fighting investigators, just like Kaneki did
>has a confrontation with Arima
>recognizes the centipede and breaks down, crying
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I have a feeling we'll definitely see Kaneki again just because of the last page with Touka.
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>>113643836
If you seriously think Kaneki's quinque isn't in that final black case you are incredibly oblivious or willfully ignorant.
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Why don't they just kill him?
I'm not a /sci/ guy and all but can he still survive that like 0.000001 chance?
I mean for what purpose are they still keeping him alive?
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>>113641523
imagine how strong retarded ghouls are
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>>113643886
>a half breed ghoul with retard manlet blackmode strength
jesus christ it's over
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>>113643884
So that family members can say goodbye and then unplug the machine. Didn't they say that it was impossible for him to survive anyway?
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>>113643107
Kaneki was doomed from the beginning.
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>>113643838
>has a kagune type which doesn't suit him (manager's)
>confrontation with Arima

Do you want him to die again?
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>>113643884
He's one of the last strong humans other than Arima. They're pretty fucked if he doesn't wake up.
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>you will never see the original japanese version of this spread
>you will never see a properly executed english version of this spread
I'm seriously impressed that the chinks went through all that trouble, but it's saddening all the same.
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I have a feel if there is a sequel/continuation, we will get a bastard revival of Kaneki via some implant - kaneki was unusually powerful as said by Kanou plus we know quinque can be sentiel. Or even crazier, a Arima merged with Kaneki (definitely doable). That said, I am fine about Kaneki off for good though, if this whole 143 chapters of TG is merely a giant prologue.
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>>113643824
It can still be premeditated it could imply any number of things.
like
"this PART of the story is over"
or "now while we wonder if kaneki is kill we see other shit for a while, find out he's alive and rescue arc"
or even 3deep5me "end of kaneki tragedy but now he's reborn as ghoul jesus was meant to be and the healing can finally begin."
"kaneki is kill and we get new mc" pls no kill ;_;
all these things are variations on the premise of he planed this entire part of the story
At this point we don't really know
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>>113643938
>The curtain rises on the tragedy
the real ride has yet to even begin
though if there is a continuation, it won't necessarily be longer than this "prologue"
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>>113643824
But chapter 72's title meant something like "part" (part of something) or "half" as in "half a year has passed". It didn't mean halfway, the fucking retarded translators have done a terrible job again.
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>>113643884
They should give him ghoul surgery.
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>>113643924
We've seen the Japanese version of the spread. It's not hard to find. And the chinks were lazy in redrawing the spread. I can see obvious clone stamp strokes.
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>>113643967
No, the translators are the masterminds behind this
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>>113643967
Nah I reread it today. It was in reference to Kaneki telling Ayato that he would half kill him. Which he pretty much did.
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>>113643991
The cleaning was shit, but the typesetting was impressive imo.
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>>113643967
I think you're overthinking the chapter title. As long as it has the word "half" of any variety in it, people would've jumped on it.
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>>113643989
The ghoul surgery is for amon.
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Autismo anon here. I'd argue Ishida planned all of this.
>>113643967
No, Ishida has definitely been meta with chapters/volumes before. I have some examples saved.
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>>113644060
no shit, slowpoke
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What is being half killed again? Having 103 bones broken. Not convinced? There's more.
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How would you feel about a fanservice-filled sequel called Tokyo Pool?
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If Kaneki was the protag who was the deuter?
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>>113644055
How many push-ups would a ghoul Amon be able to do?
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>>113644096


Amon
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88th training session, in the 88th chapter.
>>113644075
Easy there hotshot. Some people aren't convinced.
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>>113644096
Amon. He easily got the most development after him, then Juuzou.
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13, death, and 7, the chariot, meeting in chapter 137
>>113644096
Amon.
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Finally, Arima's oddly specific wording that became a joke.
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>>113644082
>>113644126
>>113644126
Make all that a picture please
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>>113644126
I'd still argue that "7" and "13" aren't obvious enough for what Ishida does. His 12s on Kaneki are blatant, his 2 on Touka, the 15 on Seidou, right in your face. Those are subtle as fuck and could literally be coincidence.
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>>113644146
Do that again with the full images included, please.
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>>113644166
>His 12s on Kaneki are blatant, his 2 on Touka, the 15 on Seidou
Not on mine. What is this?
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>>113643743

I don't know how to feel about this. It doesn't make sense anyway.
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>>113643686
>living
You have read nothing at all, have you?
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>>113644157
I definitely think v14 was intentional. The second "v14" on that page is actually just "14" as well, just in Arima's attack-name style.

Also, that black Narukami case.
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>>113644166
Well, Kaneki was literally full of sevens before.

>>113644188
Kaneki's 12 is the most important of those, so I'll post that next. Seidou's 15 is in the chapter where the investigators are writing their wills - he breaks down and starts crying, and a 15 forms from his tears.

Dunno about Touka's 2 though.
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>Japan's elite actually recruit people who are fucked in the head, act like children, don't comply with rules and injure the normal humans they're supposed to be protecting

Bravo Ishida!
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>>113644166
The 13 (and later 12) on Suzuya is easily the most obvious though, followed by the 1 on Hide.
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>>113644267
>super humans that are spookier than ghouls
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>>113644199
Okay, suspended-animation-but-not-dead characters
if you think he was actually KIA as listed by the CCG YOU need to go back and read some more

>>113644188
Here's the 12, across the forearms. We've linked this to tarot, but I don't feel like going into that now.
Of all the tarot numbers, this 12 and Juuzou's 12 are the most significant, in my opinion.
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>>113644310
>We've linked this to tarot
Any reason for this?
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>>113639649
AMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!11 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!111 He even don't kills weak ghouls, who can't hunt.
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>>113639826

I have a strange question, actually. How, exactly, do half-ghouls show that ghouls and humans can live alongside each other?

They're still predators. They still can't eat human food. All they have is perspective, on how they used to be human. Like, if they were some kind of uber-breed with the strengths of both species and none of the weaknesses, I would see the point.

But as it is, not so much.
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>>113644187
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>>113644267
>>113644304
It's fine as long as they can kill ghoul.
>injure the normal humans they're supposed to be protecting
Their job is only involve killing ghoul. Anything else is just secondary.
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>>113644344
Eto was born from a ghoul and a human, she's living proof that it's possible for them to coexist.
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Why do we NEED to know the answers to all of the raised plot points?
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>>113641044

Type-Centipede.
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>>113644374
Because you don't show things you are not going to explain.
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>>113644374
Because that's what happens in coherent stories with proper endings.
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I may be reading too much into this, but on the color page where it shows Touka, there's a message on her shirt. It says "SEE YOU NEXT"

Next what?
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Someone make a new thread:


NEVER FORGOT 09/18/14
Kaneki Ken - Chapter 143
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>>113644442
WHOA UR RITE
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>>113644442
>I may be reading too much into this

You been just reading right anon.
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>>113644442
Dont fucking tell me this is real
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>>113644442
ENHANCE
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>>113644373

But they still feed off humans. More, she doesn't really have a human perspective, as she was raised as a Ghoul in a place that was basically hell on earth. (If I'm reading this correctly.)

Even if the two species can breed, one still feeds on the other.
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>>113644326
Fine, I'll fucking go into it.

I don't know what manner of wizard found the numbers and made the connection to tarot correspondence, but he did, and posted that here. We've made our own interpretations going off of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man_(Tarot_card)
In tarot, 12 is the Hanged Man, associated with:
Sacrifice — Letting go — Surrendering — Passivity
Suspension — Acceptance — Renunciation — Patience
Notice how his face is drawn in that page - his right side, the one with the human eye, is distorted, looking almost as if it's sloughing off. Here, Kaneki is "letting go" of his humanity and accepting his ghoul, his own personal monster.

But what does it mean to be human? This page right here. Among Kuzen's poetic musings this is probably the least flashy, but it's at the very core of the series. To be human is to care for others, to protect, to cherish life and the rules that act in that respect. You see ghouls like Tsukiyama and Rize sneering at "human" values like being kind.

From this point forth, Kaneki is significantly less human.

He has no more qualms about harming those who would disturb his sanctuary. He will lop off a limb or two. He will break half the bones in your body. He may even torture and kill you. His friends are marginalized too, oddly enough. Rather than being real people that you care about and interact with, they were simply objects to Kaneki. In that same analogy Kaneki used to justify plucking bad beans out, he reduces his friends to nothing more than beans as well, to be kept dark and dry and safe.

What's also interesting is that Juuzou goes through this exact process in reverse.
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>>113644508
I just checked the actual image. It's legit.
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>>113644508

It is, are people really expecting this to get no sequel ?
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>>113644442
Aww shiet
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>>113644442
Wait. What?
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>>113644442
>mfw it's legit
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>>113644508
>>113644509
It's true. If this means anything, I don't know.
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>>113644267

Y'know, militaries around the world also recruit people like that. I'm not saying this in a sneering:

> "Oh, the military is FULL of psychos."

way, but that a little eccentricity is allowed when it comes to getting the job done. Let's say that one of the CCG guys is a cross-dresser, and he insists on mincing around in stiletto-heels and a miniskirt when off-duty. Sure, he's kind of a freak, but he singlehandedly put down thirty Ghouls in one long, awful night of violence.

Or there's that totally chuuni guy who insists on being addressed only by his 'soul-name', 'Yami the Dark' or something equally retarded. He's a flake, but his squad hasn't taken a single loss since he signed on.

The good outweighs the bad, is what I'm saying. When your business is violence, you attract a lot of strange people.
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>>113644344
>Like, if they were some kind of uber-breed with the strengths of both species and none of the weaknesses
Actually, if you merge Eto and Kaneki, you get exactly that. Eto has strength and intelligence that transcends either race, barring the godless abomination that is Arima. Kaneki was able to live peaceably in both worlds. Combine the two and you have the perfect being.

>>113644517
>Even if the two species can breed, one still feeds on the other.
The circumstances behind Eto's birth showed that despite that fundamental difference, humans and ghouls could still reach an understanding. V wants no such message getting across.
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>>113644442

Sequel in october.
Kaneki will revive.
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>>113644207
>black Narukami case.
Slowpoke here, please elaborate?
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>>113644522
I see. That's really cool.
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>>113641409

Kaneki's tragic flaw is that he thinks he's in a different genre from the one he actually is in.
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Fuck yes. New chapter next week per usual.
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>>113640524
Edgy McEdge
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>>113644626

What ?
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>>113644442
Ishida be taking us on a rollercoaster of emotion.
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>>113644367
>Their job is only involve killing ghoul. Anything else is just secondary.
No, their job is to protect humanity.
Anyway, that's like the most overused and retarded trope ever in this sort of situation. Every single time the humans who are fighting against the monsters have to be insane, unlikeable trash. Thankfully not everyone here is that way, but it'd be good to see an actually professional and normal cadre without any shitty loose cannons in it do the job.

>>113644442
We CSI now
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>>113644442
sequel confirmed
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>>113644616
I'd also think the same when more than half the manga is cool battles, SoL moments and borderline chuuni tier shit.
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>>113644584
Also to note is the connection between white hair and inhumanity.
All characters who were portrayed with bone white hair, and not simply blonde, also forgot the significance of life as Kuzen describes.
>Kaneki
I just talked about that above.
>Mado
He was bent on exterminating all ghouls, even if he had to trick himself into thinking they were all just monsters and not people.
>Juuzou
See all the stuff he says about not caring whether others die. Upon regaining his humanity, if the joker oneshot is to be taken as a continuation, his hair becomes black.
>Jason
Self-explanatory.
>Arima
He's a killing machine. Also self explanatory.

In short, all those retards going on about arima sibling/clone theories need to shut the fuck up
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Amon, Kaneki dies, that's sad.
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>>113644674
Just proves Ishida Sui is a troll.
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>>113644126
What 13 and 7?
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>>113644442
is there a way that its been added by the ppl scanning it or translating it or... i dont know. i really want this to mean something but my heart doesnt want to be hurt again ;_;
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>>113644708
What do you mean?
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>>113643107

Basically, he thought he could be a hero. But sometimes, you're not the protagonist of the story, just one of it's many victims.

Like, to Arima, this is all just another day at work. Life isn't wrapped up in a neat package with beginnings, a middle and an ending. Sometimes you walk down a dark alley or catch a bullet, and it's the end.
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>>113643261

It's not like there wasn't ample warning. People say, again and again:

> "Arima is Death. Do not fuck with him."
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>>113644700

Shueisha man, they like to pull shit like that.
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>>113644717
Wait for the actual release and check the raws?

I think it's very possible it's real though. Makes more sense rather than it ending like this.
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>>113644761
God, this all could have been avoided if he just waited in the sewers with Hide, and not come out until Arima was called away to subdue Eto.

What a terrible sequence of unfortunate events.
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What I find strange now, with the info from 143, is the casualty list in 142. Many of the 'Dead' investigators are missing bodies, but CCG still labels them dead. We know they were taken alive by Aogiri Tree, so no point for CCG to hide this as 'Dead' if they also knew. So, missing bodies during war = 'Dead'. BUT Hide is labelled 'missing', the ONLY one labelled missing. So, his circumstances should be different. He is 'missing' but the CCG believe he isn't 'dead'. Why?
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>>113644717
Why would they do that?
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>>113639649
Why all good guys must suffer.
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>>113643561

But Arima has been absurdly deadly since he was a kid. (Like in Tokyo Ghoul: JACK).
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>>113644726
Are the 13 and 7 supposed to be in the image of Kaneki and Arima you posted, or is it just supposed to be from the chapter number?
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>>113644690
White is the color of death in Asian cultures also
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>>113644788
Hide confirmed for new MC
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>>113644788
It's shown in the very same chapter that the CCG has no qualms about falsifying/otherwise tampering with shit, like how they erased Kaneki's existence.

That said, to what end I could not tell you.
Perhaps Aogiri does indeed have Amon, and the CCG found only his arm and drew their conclusions from that and Takizawa's body.

Perhaps the "Aogiri test subject" thing is a red herring and the CCG themselves have him and will experiment on him.
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>>113644788
Kaneki ate Hide, Hide gone.
There wasn't anyone else down there, how should the know?
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>>113644819
The new Kaneki?
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>>113644788
Hide was the leader of the CCG all along
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>>113644788
Aogiri Tree/Kanou probably have all the missing bodies in the lab.
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>>113644802
7 is in the crease in Kaneki's face between his eye and nose. 13 is in Arima's oddly swirly collar.
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>>113644834
Nah, Hide was Eto
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Which is more hateful, the anime adaptation or the ending of the manga?
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>>113644868
Anime. Manga hasn't ended, not officially at least.
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Wait a sec, amon is listed dead, but nobody answer when asked if the body was found.
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>>113644442
Holy shit
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>>113644868
I'd say they're on the same level.
They will both merge together next week and will cause the japanese fans to turn into bloodthirsty animals.
Ishida and Pierrot better run for their lifes.
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>>113644883
Why is everyone asking this stupid shit.
They found his arm and figured he died
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>>113644909
>They found his arm and figured he died

Anon, that doesn't prove he died like, at all.
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>red dragon poster in Hide's room
Hide confirmed for mastermind
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Yfw Tsuky didn't glomped Kaneki.
;-;
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>>113644823
I meant that the other investigators whose bodies they couldn't find (atleast 12) were listed as 'Dead' but only Hide whose body was also missing was listed 'Missing'.
My personal 'hope' depends on this being important.
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>>113644844
Thanks. I'm always bad at spotting things like that
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The suitcase in the end can't be Kaneki. It wouldn't make sense at all.
It took the CCG more than 6 months to turn Yamori's Kagune into a quinque. The stronger the Kagune the longer it takes to produce a quinque.
Turning kaneki into a quinque would take a very long time and since chapter 142 only a few days have passed.
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>>113645008
But but the animu!
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>>113641926
This is way late, but look again. The only centipede that chapter are the kagune "hands" pulling Ixa out of Kaneki's head, and the attack that immediately follows. You can tell those are his Kakuja from where they sprout from his body - along his abdomen, like a centipede's legs.

After that attack, he has calmed down and pulled his mind together somewhat, and goes back to his rinkaku.
Look at those last spreads: Kaneki's final tentacle cannon that was the most effective attack against Arima of all time was formed from his regular rinkaku. protruding from the base of his spine.
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I can't even imagine what will happen in /a/ with the announcement of a sequel.
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>>113645044
Bunch of bitter idiots proudly declaring that they "won't read it after that shitfest that was TG"
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>>113644998
Hide wasn't supposed to go out into battle since he's not an inspector. He most likely snuck off on his own, therefore he's "missing".
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>>113645008

You are onto (i use this word so few times) something anon.
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>>113645023
Fuck the animu!
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>>113645055

Good, a trimming of the fanbase would only do good.
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>>113644949
Yes, because an arm without body after fighting a ghoul doesnt prove that ghoul ate him
please
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>>113645008
It could be a time skip. Look at Toukas hair length.
Time is all over the place in that chapter.
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>>113645098

Ghouls eat the same amount of food humans eat, they would leave at least a carcass.
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>>113645125
Did you read the series at all, anon?
A body would last ghoul a month without eating
The guy at the beggining who couldnt share with Kaneki wouldnt leave anything
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>>113645044
People with just circeljerk about Ishida being a troll.
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>>113645111
There is no fucking time skip. Touka's hair was like this since chapter 80.
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>>113645111
Why would they only inform the boss 6 months after the fight?
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>Why Kaneki is alive

He has insane reg abilities. He probably cut off his arms or some shit, a huge chunk of his body, let it there, for Arima to harvest and fled the scene. Probably helped by Hide, who knows.
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>>113645125

Or their clothing, etc.

And that's the reason why I believe Hide and Amon are alive. But no, they're like "oh, missing investigators, yeah they're all dead." It seems fishy as fuck.
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>>113644442
Has the raw been uploaded yet?
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>>113645195

Not officially. We're reading illegal leaks.
Official release is on Sept. 18
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Maybe the briefcase just contains a part of Kaneki in it.
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>Final chapter uploaded on batoto
>not complete
Who's in charge there? I want to see that 'complete' marker there.
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>>113645301
Maybe Eto and Kaneki will find each other and give each other happiness and resolve things between humans and ghouls.

Maybe I'll find a gf
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>>113645301
Yep. Hence why Kaneki is still alive. He fled. Well, Hide helped him flee. It was their plan all along.
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>>113645310
Where's the verbal, clear confirmation that this is the final chapter?
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>>113645310
I'm not seeing it. Did you upload it? If so, it will take some time for a mod to come and verify and approve it, if you aren't a constant uploader.
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>>113645301
Yeah, just the kagune is in the Brief, i dont think they need the full body to make a quinque
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>>113640215
Pls ;_;
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>>113645318
That's not how I used "maybe". It makes no sense for him to be turned into a weapon 2 minutes after he's been killed, and yet the briefcase can't be disregarded. So it's either a red herring and shows that Arima got a new Quinque, or it just contains a part of Kaneki, maybe taken away because they actually don't want to kill him but want him alive (or at least partly alive)?
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>>113645360
Kaneki doesn't give a fuck. His Kagune can prolly grow back.
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>>113645320
>Kaneki and Hide eloped
Best ending
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I like that Ishida set up a situation where none of the characters seem to know where Kaneki is. Except Hide, because he always knows. Kaneki's triumphant return will make a great twist in the sequel!
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What wounded Kaneki that made him run for the sewers?
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>>113645365
>It makes no sense for him to be turned into a weapon 2 minutes after he's been killed
What's the timeframe? How long does it produce a quinque on average? Wouldn't Arima, the alpha male of all top dogs, get top priority when it comes to creating better quinque?

Also given how Kaneki was swept under the rug, I'd wager they wanted to be done with all that as soon as possible.
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>>113645399
But what about Tsukiyama?
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>>113645399
like doctor house and wilson ;-)
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>>113645419
Koutaro
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>>113645419

Amon tore out a big chunk of his torso.
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>>113645423
>How long does it produce a quinque on average?
Months
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>>113645508
How long has it been between Kaneki's death and tearing down Anteiku?
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>>113645541
Have you even fucking read the manga?
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Who will be the new MC if kaneki is really dead?

I want Arima.
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>>113645423
It took more than 6 months to turn Yamori into a quinque.
How long would it take to turn Kaneki into a quinque? 1-2 years?
Kaneki can't be the suitcase next to Arima. Only a few days passed between the events of chapter 142 and 143.
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>>113645008
they made Hinamis mother into a quinque pretty fast.
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>>113645361
Faith!

;_;

>>113645451
>>113645465
Cheers.
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>>113645553
Interesting tier:
Arima
Hide

Adorable tier
Tsukiyama
Hinami (they would make a good duo)

I can't believe it's really happening tier :
Eto

I'm kinda disappointed tier :
Touka


Winning tier:
Rize
Kanou
Tatara
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>>113645594
If you think otherwise you're a crazy moron tier
amon
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>>113645582
the cake is a lie
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>>113645580
Hinami's mother was weak as fuck and Mado literally just stuffed her kagune into the suitcase. She wasn't a kakuja and no half ghoul either. Her Kagune isn't even close to the power level of Yamori or Kaneki.
Mado fought with the pure Kagune of ghouls while Arima and many other investigators fought with quinque blades, guns, lances, spears etc.
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I can't believe a few weeks ago, we we're all discussing how Kaneki would be rescued.

Damn.
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Is that Arima and Kaneki?
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OH SHIT
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>>113645722
y
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Why didn't they use tanks when they attacked the Aogiri base in Ward 11. Or helicopters even.
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>>113645734
Manager new Keneki confirmed!
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So how did Arima know Kaneki's name?

>>113645776
They're not a military organisation.
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>>113645722
It's Arima and Narukami
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>>113644827
>Kaneki ate Hide, Hide gone.
I have an issue with this.
Why was Hide down there in the first place? Hide has no combat ability and ghouls are known for brutally murdering humans. He wouldn't be down there alone and conveniently only met with Kaneki and none of the other escaping ghouls
That Hide was a hallucination.
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>>113645791
The CCG was building up a case for Kaneki Ken, as a human who was made into a ghoul.

Arima had that background information, and deduced who Kaneki was in that chapter. Remember that look of sorrow earlier.
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>>113640475
Tragedy means the mc has to suffer, not die, a mc that dies isnt a tragedy. Read some shakespeare.
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>>113645810
>Why was Hide down there in the first place?
he was looking for kaneki
>unlikely he only met kaneki
he had the battle plans. He knew where ghouls were likely to appear and where they were likely to go
>he was a halllucination
never mind you're just dumb
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>>113645810
hardly
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>>113645837
fuckdamnit
read the fucking thread
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>>113645837
shakespeare invented tragedy
look at the american guys, look and laugh
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>>113645837
>a mc that dies isnt a tragedy. Read some shakespeare
you fucking retard
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>Tokyo Ghoul sequel
>Hinami and gang spend months searching for Kaneki
>finds out he's been cloned in a secret government project
>Kaneki reemerges with Hide, who is missing an arm and a leg he sacrificed for Kaneki
>"Kept you waiting, huh?"
>Metal Ghoul Solid: Corpse Eater
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>>113645946
wells, rules of nature is certainly in tune with all this
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>>113645782
Imagine a owl centipede.
Shits gonna be cash
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>>113645722
What if by returning to Anteiku it means Arima returning using the Kencase to fuck shit up and finish the job?
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>everything is more or less all right
>suddenly Arima appears and kills everybody
Brilliant writing.
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>>113646025
no
things were getting worse and worse
kaneki and people like you never noticed until it was too late
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>>113644560
>>113644442
I don't see it.
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>>113646100
Enhance, anon
bkdbvid thus
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>>113646100
If you can find the U, you'll eventually see the YOU and the SEE
I have trouble with the NEXT though
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>>113646121
Sorry, typed captcha in text, am idiot
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>Thinking this was a tragedy
Not really, no. Not in the Classical sense of the term at the very least.
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thread is still fresh, but
>>113639044
>>113639044
>>113639044
there's another thread up already, so no need to make a new thread
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>>113646152
fucking read the fuckshit goddamn pisscunt thread

if you disagree refute those posts

don't just say it ain't so without providing any reasoning
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>>113646152
Why not? Hero with a fatal flaw that leads to his downfall. It fits, I thnk
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>>113646185
I've read them. This was not a classical tragedy. Absolutely not. Did you see any gods smiting down humans? I sure did not.
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>>113646204
A classical tragedy has much more to it. First of all, the Hero has to be someone of noble descent or of Godly origins. That's one strike. THen it has to be a battle against Fate. A battle that can't be won. Gods laughing at Humans and all that kind of thing.

This was no classical tragedy, and for what it matters, no tragedy.
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>>113646152
so part 1 is a comedy and part 2 is going to be an actual tragedy?
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>>113646205
So, as a prerequisite, every tragedy in the history of ever must have "gods smiting down humans"? Are you fucking serious?

If so, what was chapter 139, then? Kaneki was too full of vanity and pride, so Arima struck him down.
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>>113646205
>>113646243
please just shut the fuck up about whether or not it was a goddamn tragedy, classical or not, and go back to /lit/, thanks.
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>>113646243
Where the fuck is any of this coming from? I looked at definitions of Greek, Roman, and Renaissance tragedies, and none of the have anything near what you described as a prerequisite for being defined as a tragedy.
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