Has anime ever done good hard science fiction?
The Starship Troop OAV was the best rendition of Robert Heinlein's book I've seen. Makes the live action movie look like a unfaithful pile of dog crap by comparison.
>Science Fiction is arguable the most successful and well received genre for anime.
"Hard" sci-fi implies a rigorous adherence to only doing things that we know are physically possible.
Hard sci-fi can mean one of two things:
>focussing on physics, biology and chemistry as opposed to the humanities/
>drawing on real technologies and science with no or minimal handwaving or sillytech
I'm convinced the movie is meant to undermine the book. The books message is all about militarism and service to the nation. I don't think Verhoeven ever had any intention of porting its message across faithfully. Instead he did a wacky Vietnam allegory.
Armored Trooper Votoms on the surface seems very believable in it's tech, arguably even the way Scopedogs are presented seems to make even mecha believable.
However, I'm only so far in, and I just know there's probably going to be some kind of psychic shit going on later though, I think I've heard something like that.
If it was like that, then we'd have no extra-solar SF
Hard science fiction implies an attention to technical details, fictional but plausible or rooted in reality
For example, Cowboy Bebop is pretty plausible (warp gates have been used in other hard sci-fi), but the tech is never really explained and it's less sci-fi and more "crime stories on different planerts", so that would be soft sci-fi
Apparently SyFy is going to do a tv show adaptation of this, but it'd be far better as an animated series. There's no way you can correctly portray the weird proportions of the OPA colonists in live action
Hardness of scifi does not depend solely on explanations.
>then we'd have no extra-solar SF
Yes, we do. It is just not be very hard.
I think you are both right. The hard scifi is rooted in science we know and tries to make proper explanations for the leaps in technology it comes up with.
nah people misunderstand the book
heinlein wrote a lot of short fiction for bright teenagers where he'd be like "here's what sounds like a good idea, explain to yourselves why it's bad", starship troopers was doing that for roman-lite fascism
like, the longest piece of dialogue in the book is literally two and a half pages of a teacher telling the main character "this is great everything's fantastic you fucking retard i can't believe you're so stupid that you don't get it" and then the main character just goes "oh cool thanks for explaining it to me" and sits down like a chump
that whole scene was designed to piss off high school age kids and make them think really hard about why the teacher might be wrong
I think the weirdest thing about this post is that SAO is actually by far the most plausible, and could actually happen within the next ~50 years. Early VR is already here in the form of the Oculus Rift. Having a neural interface and control over the five senses is the next step.
GiTS and Patlabor are probably the closest that I can think of, although both (of course) have their issues. GiTS' particular brand of transhumanism relies a little too heavily on Cartesian dualism being literal truth, while Patlabor never explains how its titular robots are able to support their own weight or move.
Moretsu is far from a hard sci-fi show, but the sci-fi it does do is pretty detailed and fantastic.
Anon, you dense motherfucker. He was not pretending to be retarded. That would have been to bring up one stupid anime and defend it like a stupid fanboy.
Instead he brought up a series of anime that didn't fit the criteria, to give you the opportunity to figure out "hey, something is wrong with the list! Oh, wait, that's supposed to be a joke!".
Unfortunately you failed to do that.
Hard sci-fi is basically science fiction that is plausible given what we presently understand about the physical universe.
It is not a binary system, it is a scale. Some things are harder or softer than other things.
The most important facet of Hard science fiction is internal consistency. 40k for example, fails at this dramatically, while 2001 A Space Odyssey excels at it.
Hard science fiction does not necessarily have to be 1:1 with reality. Many hard sci-fi novels feature, for example, a 'plot device' of some sort that makes everything else in the novel possible. This is typically a faster than light drive, or some form of faster than light communication, but varies.
If the creative work is internally consistent and closely follows the laws of physics while exploring future concepts, you can probably classify it as hard science fiction.
>VR may be possible
The Rift /is/ VR, with the right software to go with it. All it lacks is full sensory immersion, which isn't required for VR.
Agreed though that it isn't explained well at all, and the whole 'microwave your brain' thing wouldn't happen. Any device with that much power would never get approval for public betas - forget actually making it to stores. It's even shown that that lower-power units not capable of cooking brains are perfectly capable of the same VR experience, so it doesn't even make sense within the show's world.
Planetes is the obvious one, it's been mentioned above. Moonlight Mile is the second one that comes to mind. I guess you could call Space Brothers hard scifi too. Time of Eve is as close to anything from Asimov getting an anime. That kind of fits.
"Science fiction" does not exist.
Science involves real things that are real.
Fiction is inherently a story or idea that is nonexistence, hence fictional.
You cannot combine real and fake. It doesn't exist.
>muh spess oprah
Is Crest/Banner of the Stars hard science fiction?
>Eden of the East
Holy FUCK I tried my best to repress any memories of that crock of shit and you had to bring it back up
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Retarded, how? That's basically how a neural interface should function for VR. It's basically a dream simulator.
>microwave your brain
The original Nervgear was made expressly for that purpose.
>Any device with that much power would never get approval for public betas
Look at the real world. Every day there's a story of some bloke burning his face from using a smartphone while charging.
Not anime, but Two Faces of Tomorrow. It's an adaptation of a novel though
I liked it in the beginning, but for me it's too much action-fuel.
There's constantly something going wrong. Sure, otherwise the MC wouldn't get to be a hero, but in the end you'll just yell: "Why go to space at all if every spacecraft explodes within 2 days?
No they haven't. It's still wild speculation, just one recent experiment made it marginally easier to make shit up about.
It's nowhere close to hard sci-fi, but I was really impressed with the sci-fi elements of the Gankutsuou setting. It managed to be stylish as fuck while elegantly maintaining the basic principles of the original story.
Beam weapons are plausible, just impractical. I forget the fucking name of it, but there's that one setting where beam weapons are treated as situational secondary weapon and visible so their operators know where they're firing. They're mostly used for killing civilians who aren't in protected buildings.
Something like that wouldn't be too far fetched.
There's a special, Minipato, that discusses the mechanics of labors and they admit that the design aesthetics came before function. Their bodies besides the joints are made of fiberglass, aluminum, or carbon fiber, was one made up factoid from it.
>I forget the fucking name of it, but there's that one setting where beam weapons are treated as situational secondary weapon and visible so their operators know where they're firing. They're mostly used for killing civilians who aren't in protected buildings.
Reminds me of Dune, where beam weapons are archaic inefficient technology because of their enormous power requirements for a low damage output and the pseudoatomic shield annihilation reaction. If a beam hits an active shield, everything blows up, so it's a mutual annihilation effect. Consequently, beams are only used in suicide attacks and for killing people with no shields, and fighting between soldiers (who are all shielded) has regressed to hand-to-hand swordfighting due to shields being permeable by slow-moving objects.
So what's the space odyssey of anime?
There's just no science to support it yet, it's all speculation. Every story saying that test proved it was possible was written by people that didn't understand it, no actual scientists hold that position.
This. Terraforming Mars is a stupendous waste of time. Ganymede, on the other hand, might be a decent prospect, provided we have the tech to terraform anything to begin with. Given that we can't figure out how to fucking feed half our own planet, I don't see that being in the cards in the next five generations.
What? No. I don't remember any quantum computers in Accel World either. Kirito surviving at the end of Aincrad was because of IS, not a quantum computing thing. It's easy to see if you think of full immersion VR as a dream simulator.
It's not like robots supporting their own weight is somehow impossible.
You do realize dinosaurs massing over 40 tons existed in reality, right? They didn't sink into the center of the planet like /k/ would have you believe.
That just reminds me how one of my favorite things in science fiction is the plot finding an excuse to include melee fights. Dune and LotGH do it great.
>pretty detailed and fantastic.
i want more down to earth realism, not SUPER AMAZING ENERGY SOURCE! HUGE SHIPS WITH PERFECTLY FUNCTIONING SEWAGE SYSTEMS!
I want lain in space.
>Given that we can't figure out how to fucking feed half our own planet
That's not a tech problem, but a feature of capitalism.
We have the food, but they don't have the money to buy it.
People that think Heinlein a fascist for reading Starship Troopers must feel he's a godless gommie after reading Stranger in a Strange Land. Right?
Literally one of the stupidest opinions on the planet. And an enduring one at that. >>113541952
They're too large. The power armor is stated to be like a "towering man" not a fucking giant.
You are now aware Gundam had space stations anchored in Lagrangian points 5 years before Neuromancer did it. If someone else came up with that idea I'm not aware. But I'm sure someone else did.
I was more referring to the climates of certain locations being incompatible with farming. Africa could feed itself if there wasn't a giant desert sitting on its face. China's in a similar boat: lot of semi-worthless to worthless landmass in its borders. Trying to graft Earthlike food productivity on an alien surface when we can't even reclaim land lost to our own deserts is an absurd prospect.
Joke is, I actually did read the book, and I thought it was interesting but I found the entire human-vampire plot completely fucking retarded.
Reminds me of all those kids who proudly claim themselves as self-diagnosed socio/psychopaths. As though it's somehow a good thing and not actually a serious mental handicap with identifiable problems in the formation of structures within the brain.
When a guy can go from normal functioning human being to psychopath because he had a railroad spike driven through his head, you might want to give pause to the idiotic idea promoted in media that psychopathy is a trait of geniuses. It isn't, and multiple studies suggest a correlation between psychopathy and low IQ's.
The actual mental illness of geniuses is Schizophrenia.
I don't even know what point you were trying to make but you fuck it up hard.
>Ganymede, on the other hand, might be a decent prospect
For, like, mining water or something. I vaguely recall NASA saying that Mars' gravity was about the lowest amount of gravity that a human could conceive a child in safely and without any crazy defects. There was an article about possible manned missions to Mars and speculation about what would happen if a couple had a baby in a 0 gravity environment.
You know that came out like 40 years after Gundam right?
Ganymede has gravity. It also has a magnetosphere and an atmosphere. It also might have continents beneath its ice layer. Ganymede > Mars in every way that matters except for distance.
Africa could feed itself if the people living there weren't half retarded and weren't drowned in surplus free food from western nations that their own agricultural industry can't compete against.
>drowned in surplus free food
>half the continent is starving
Nobody but warlords and government officials are drowning in food in Africa. The point is that if we don't give enough of a shit to eradicate wasted landmass on the planet we're standing on, nobody is going to give a shit about altering landmass on a different planet.
>There is a degree of flexibility in how far from "real science" a story can stray before it leaves the realm of hard SF. Some authors scrupulously avoid such technology as faster-than-light travel, while others accept such notions (sometimes referred to as "enabling devices", since they allow the story to take place) but focus on realistically depicting the worlds that such a technology might make possible. In this view, a story's scientific "hardness" is less a matter of the absolute accuracy of the science content than of the rigor and consistency with which the various ideas and possibilities are worked out.
Good hard sf writers dont' use FTL. Lazy ones do, but that makes them less hard. I'm not against FTL in scifi, just dont' delude yourself thinking it's hard.
No shit pickle dick, it's a scale, and FTL is on the soft side of it.
Stop making science fiction lewd!
Non-retarded libertarianism basically axes all the economic wankery that ancaps try to stuff into the ideology.
anarcho-capitalism is the reason that people think libertarians want to completely eliminate the government and give literally everything to corporations and the rich. In truth it's basically just: Don't be fucking dicks - the ideology. The basic principles are that everyone has certain natural rights, and we should refrain from infringing on those rights wherever possible; economics isn't even a thing Libertarianism touches.
I'm not good with the terminology. Is this hard sci-fi?
i totally agree with you bro
Even though it's soaked to the bone in religious allegory, Evangelion is, at its heart, science fiction. Even down to how life was started on earth, ultimately it was high level science.
Africa wont be able to feed itself until it builds a decent transportation infrastructure. No industry in that corner of the world can thrive until they build some railroads and decent highways.
It's because of the magnetic field surrounding Ganymede. Mars doesn't have one, which is why it doesn't have an atmosphere. That shit gets blasted away whenever the sun looks at it wrong.
Read your own quote.
>In this view, a story's scientific "hardness" is less a matter of the absolute accuracy of the science content than of the rigor and consistency with which the various ideas and possibilities are worked out.
It's just proof of intelligent design.
>Africa wont be able to feed itself until it builds a decent transportation infrastructure.
Africa won't be able to build a decent infrastructure until the west stops supporting a state of constant war in Africa.
Ganymede is protected by Jupiter's massive magnetic field.
Mars has no magnetic field.
Mars' atmosphere has been stripped away over hundreds of millions of years by its interaction with solar radiation/wind
If we want to terraform mars and have it last longer than a couple hundred million years, we need to also create a planetary sized magnetic field for it.
This might actually be possible with a giant satellite producing a magnetic field of some kind in the Martian L1 point.
Dune is a good example of sci-fi with some unrealistic elements (shields, the Spacing Guild, the spice's transhuman shit) that remains consistent to its internal rules and is better off because of it. It also helps that it has some genuinely innovative and well-implemented concepts, like FTL travel that isn't taken for granted as the product of scientific advance.
Learn to read. That sentence has nothing to do with what you're saying. It means that the scale is based on the rigor and consistency of ideas, not actual adherence to known physics.
>Allowing one of the largest and most resource-laden continents on the planet to stabilize and develop
Go ahead and shit over all your ancestors' work at establishing Western hegemony in the first place, Sven.
then you missed the part where the vampire thing is
a complete red herring used by the AI and it was supposed to be kind of stupid
and uh i think you missed a big part of the story, dude. it was about self-awareness and social behavior and their relation to evolution. vampires are solo predators so it didn't have a use for self-awareness and in losing it also shed deterministic thinking, but it kept its social graces as a reflexive camouflage. the whole point of them was as the middle point of a spectrum formed by the crew, as badly damaged people as they were, and
the alien, a sapient, non-self-aware, non-social species that was incapable of understanding either of those.
>hard science fiction
What do you mean exactly?
Crest/Banner of the Stars are sci-fi/space opera, but I wouldn't really consider them to be "hard" sci-fi
there hasn't been one show that beats CotS/BotS since they were released 10 years ago. This is a fact.
Maybe it's just me, but honestly my favorite part of science fiction is the description of the technology itself and how it works and what the doohickies and the rechenbockers do.
I could read a 2,000 page novel 1,500 of that were only descriptions and technologyporn.
Now I kinda want an anime about cute space mechanics fixing up mechas and describing their internal workings.
lack of plate tectonics is a far bigger issue since it prevents outgassing and thus replenishing of the atmosphere.
earth also lost its primary atmosphere (huge amounts of hydrogen and helium) to space. the losses due to kinetic effects (water being dissociated in the upper atmosphere and hydrogen escaping) are small enough thanks to the magnetic field that outgassing of lava and hydrothermal vents can compensate it.
Once the sun heats up (in a billion years) due to aging and earth loses its water the plates won't be "greased" anymore, lock up and tectonic movement will stop, thus also stop the atmosphere from being replenished. At that point it'll slowly get stripped away. Much slower than mars though.
50-60km altitude has earth-normal temperature and pressure. You're above the sulfuric acid clouds, sit in a band of air that circles the planet in roughly an earth-day, and you have nearly the same amount of gravity as on earth.
It's literally the most habitable place in our solar system after earth itself.
>lashing Jupiter's magnetic field to Mars via satellite
I'd fund it, but it still requires technology we don't even have in our sights yet. I stand by the premise that a body already having a magnetosphere in place is, on the short term, a better prospect than one that doesn't have one at all.
Venus' upper atmosphere is very nearly the same as earth's and functions as a lifting gas. You'd have to live in balloon cities but that isn't a big deal when you're talking planetary colonization. Hypothetically you could float/drop a city down from orbit and start living in it immediately.
> based on the rigor and consistency of ideas, not actual adherence to known physics
So, include ftl and disregard all known physics but just to make it's consistent in the story and you somehow still want to pretend it's hard scifi. Cool. Go for it.
You'd have to create a structure that stands tall enough to stay above the acid clouds - and is resistant to acid. Actually, that might be cheaper than trying to terraform an entire planet.
More or less, the main premise has to do with the wait calculation, so it very much feels like a sci-fi story you'd find from the 60s or 70s.
Surprised They Were 11 hasn't been mentioned. It stays pretty hard, for a sufficiently advanced interstellar community of cadets in training.
Human technology can't keep humans in deep space safely. Anyone who tries to reach the moon will suffer long-term illness and premature death. The most humans will achieve on Mars is the possibility of sending a small group of researchers on a one-way suicide mission to study Mars before succumbing to a lack of resources and illness.
We probably won't even get the chance before the garbage belt in space makes space travel impossible.
So your idea is just to orbit the planet? We can do that now, right here. Nothing at all to do with terraforming Venus, which even if it were possible under current tech would be an undertaking so massive it would make Mars's problems look like chump change in comparison. Plus, Venus has zero rotation, shit would be some boring-ass weather even if it wasn't 700+ K.
Step it up, senpai.
it's still pretty retarded because it's an ideology that relies on having a group of capable, independent, non-asshole people that just love freedom and independence a whole heckuva lot and have good enough land and weapons to not have to compromise
>That shit is so corrosive that a scrubbing your skin with a metal brush would be a healthier choice.
We have like three dozen different materials that are immune to sulfuric acid corrosion. Some of them, like Teflon, can be coated to just about anything.
Reminder: We live on a planet with an extremely corrosive gas called Oxygen.
Sure. Create an entirely new universe with its own set of extensive, exhaustive and consistent physical laws.
Conclusion: you guessed it, stop making up your own definition of terms older than you.
I'm suprised that you're the only one so far to bring up GiTS. The movie in particular was pretty hard as far as sci-fi goes.
Is it actually possible to take the planet jupiter and turn it into a giant black hole bomb?
Or you just create aerostat colonies like Bespin from star wars.
Our oxygen/nitrogen mix atmosphere is a lifting gas on venus, and hydrogen/helium are better lifting gases on venus than they are on earth.
Remember: Bouyancy functions in relation to air pressure.
The surface of venus is crazy, but you don't need to live down there. Probably we'd end up mining the shit out of it, floating the ore to the upper atmospher with balloons, and then possibly skyhooking it into space.
As long as it not violates the laws of physics it's not impossible
Inefficient? Uneconomical? Beyond current engineering capability of humankind? Maybe.
You could "easily" collect kuiper belt objects, i.e. lumps of frozen gas, lob them towards mars and smash them onto the poles. That gives you impact heat melting some of the ice, carbon dioxide to get the greenhouse effect going etc.
Takes a while to pull it off and is quite messy, but it should be feasible, assuming you have some decent fusion reactors to operate vehicles on the outer rim of the solar system.
Actually, dragons are completely plausible. Ideas of fire-breathing can be accounted to human error in describing their abilities and the existence of dinosaurs lends credence to large-scale reptiles.
Dragons are objectively harder Scifi than FTL. Flying animals really exist, large reptiles really exist, and despite that no form of physical FTL exists. Just put two and two together.
We've sent probes to Venus. The conditions there are so harsh that the little machine only has enough time to snap some photos and send them back before being obliterated.
a black hole has the exact same gravitational pull as the mass it was formed from
turn jupiter into a black hole and boy howdy it's exactly like fucking jupiter
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No, because Hard Science Fiction is never good.
It's just bullshit. But it lacks the awesome imagination to be good bullshit. And it lacks the real science to be factual.
Hard SF is for complete faggots. Always has been. It's a genre for the fucking autists to be inept over.
The term libertarian was coined by french anarchist communists. The stupid ancaps have as much right to the term as the retarded libertarians that stole the term from actual anarchists.
THE HARDEST OF HARDEST sci fi (or no anime after 2005)
>cyberpunk super wizard class hacker tier
Ghost in the shell (movies,sac etc)
S E Lain
Cyber City Oedo 808
>Honorable mention from the moe era
Psycho-Pass (although the basic permise is a rip of off the Minnority Report)
> SUPER REALISTIC HARD ROBOT SCIENCE PEWPEW LAZERS
N G Evangelion
Armored Trooper Votoms
Rujin Z (Geriatric Mecha bed!)
Gun Parade March
>We are in space now captain
Martian succesor Nadesico
Knights of Cidonia (before it turned into a harem anime in space)
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
S P Harloc
Just on top of my head
Average lifespan was 2 hours. The temperature is too brutal for anything we've built to survive, and even projected estimates using modern tech only give about a 50-day lifespan and that's being liberal. Venus is problem built on problem built on catch-22 with a side of more problems and a daily special on catch-22s.
except jupiters frictional forces causes a termination in acceleration, wheras a black hole has only the negligble friction of a vacuum up to the event horizon. after the event horizon you would no longer able to get off the hole since escape velocity at the point is C, so beyond is beyond C, which is impossible. it's interesting because what happened past that point as it approaches the center? does matter simply become gauge bosons?
>Ba'al-sama instantly becomes fujo bait
Some dreams are better left unfulfilled, Anon.
sulfuric acid is far far worse than oxygen. It's an oxidizer and a proton donor. It also doesn't form passivisation layers.
Not to mention that there are many organic substances which are stable in a molecular oxygen atmosphere. Sulfuric acid on the other hand attacks most of them.
the point was mostly about a gravitational dynamics of the solar sytem perspective. a black hole in jupiter's orbit is no more dangerous than a gas giant in jupiter's orbit.
>a black hole has the exact same gravitational pull as the mass it was formed from
Unless its rotating. Either way the whole conversation is pointless since you can't collapse the mass of jupiter into a singularity.
>because space travel is dying.
There's just no reason to do it. It's not like you're gonna set up a successful mining operation on another planet anytime soon, so space exploration is gonna be largely about doing experiments in space. Well you don't have to go all the way to the moon or another planet to do that.
It's for the best.
>Shinji Betamax was an ordinary highschool student until he suddenly got abducted by aliens.
>One of the symbiotic aliens fighting against the evil goa'uld is injured and has to give up her human body and take Shinji as host
>She now lives in his body and stores her former host in his closet
>How will Shinji manage his school life, the talkative symbiot in his head controlling him half of the time and an alien revolution?
>- Starting this Fall on Tokyo MX, Studio Madhouse.
>HUGE SHIPS WITH PERFECTLY FUNCTIONING SEWAGE SYSTEMS
Their ships aren't really that big, maybe except for the Golden Ghost Ship, but that thing was a generational colony ship with cold sleep units on it.
b-but 2D thrust vectoring
swept forward wings
sentient AI pilot assistants
Son do you even realism? (bellow an example of a hard scifi mecha series)
Also one of the most basic rules of a good scifi series; most of the times seinen never ever shonen...
Robots don't just happen to become sentient without anybody noticing though. Of course you could assume a big conspiracy going on, which it sortof is hinting at. But still, it's stretching it considering the necessary technology.
Of course you will,in a Microsoft/EA published space simulator after paying for the release exclusive DLC of course.
Though, anything can fly if you throw it hard enough.
If we had Macross-tier engines for our jets, if the air force wanted their jets to be giant bricks, they'll still fly via pure thrust.
Not that our current fighters are aerodynamically stable.
Beam weapons would be too hot so you would have to get heatsinks to not make your ship melt.
But seriously why use humans for fighting. They need a warmed so to Survive and on the background of cold space you light up like a Christmas tree when they use heat scans. Robots using volleys of rockets that cover all possible movement routes would work better.
>1. humans discover "something"
>2. "something" sets in motion a chain of events that leads to some evil aliens far stronger than the humans to come to power
>3. humans adapt and slowly tech up, save earth repeatedly and slowly deal strategically decisive damage to the aliens
>4. goto 1
>1. as above
>2. as above
>3. humans try to save earth, almost do so, at a horrible price, barely dealing a blow to the aliens
>4. the next wave being practically inevitable and humankind left with almost no defenses
>6. one unspeakably immoral, horrifying and inhuman last-ditch plan with nevertheless low chances of success is hinted at
>5. the end
The disgruntled scientist that wrote their original code was responsible for turning them sentient and a lot of people did notice and were actively trying to prevent it, did you miss all of that somehow?
Don't be dumb, this is set in the future.
It is totally possible the problems of variable-sweep wings could be overcome with new materials and more accurate and powerful computer assistance. Which is pretty much what yukikaze is about.
I can already imagine an entire episode of one of the big System Lords talking about utilitarianism.
No, I didn't miss it. But you don't just build a robot with so much processing capacity that it is enough for one disgruntled scientist to easily run code:eve on it without anyone realizing that in advance.
It's like accidentally building a supercomputer into your smartphone.
hmm, it's more like people didn't realize / were deterred from thinking of robots as having a full range of human thoughts and emotions.
The fact there is such a cultural backlash against 'android lovers' suggests that there are indeed people who sympathize with robots.
If slavers can dehumanize humans, dehumanizing robots isn't too far fetched.
Is there any manga similar to pic related?
I just want something with lots of beautiful science fiction art and that feeling of helplessness from fighting an enemy that seems unconquerable.
>would have to get heatsinks to not make your ship melt.
Even without them, you'll still need heatsinks, because things can't cool themselves down fast enough because no atmosphere.
>why use humans for fighting
Because they introduce an unpredictable element to the battle. Where robots would require a changing coding or something to achieve that, a human can just "I don't feel like it, maybe I'll do this instead".
>start falling out of the sky because all the mechanics drank themselves to death
Not when you automate the maintenance.
That was pretty much what the FAF main computer in Yukikaze is trying to do in the books. Automating everything.
Shit, what was all that other similar stuff I was watching that I thought was also anime? Was it all real?
I wouldn't go that far, the kind of programming to get robots to the level of pre-sentient competence shown doesn't seem that far off from what it could take to support rudimentary sentience. That was kind of the point. Your smartphone is a supercomputer by outdated standards.
The stargate ratchet was done quite well though. The villain gallery came to power through different ways.
The replicators were fighting the asgard for a long time already. Then humans helped out. Then humans made it worse by discovering reese and thus setting the whole nanoreplicator/replicarter chain into motion. All that happend across multiple seasons while they were also fighting other threats.
And even defeated enemies often came back as lesser threats, licking their wounds and such.
And then there was ba'al that glorious bastard, actually learning from the humans and playing the same game.
The basic principle may seem repetetive, but they managed to execute it quite well with variations.
On the futility of interstelar war Armored Trooper Votoms if you can handle the 80's aesthetics. But it is realy hard to replicate such a masterpiece in any other medium (dreading for the time they actualy get around in making a shity holywood movie staring keanu reaves or smthing) directed by M. Bay.
Well, good thing Rei isn't part of Earth's forces, eh?
This. There's a great critical essay on the film somewhere on the net that talks about how much Verhoeven hated the book (as well as noting how moronic all the military parts were for someone who had actually served).
The overall relationship between humans and Goa'uld over the course of the show was one of my favorite parts of it. At the start of it all the Goa'uld hadn't changed for thousands of years and started to think they were really untouchable gods and didn't take humans seriously. By the time they started to realize the humans on Earth were a threat, they couldn't easily crush them anymore and started to get dragged into more and more convoluted chains of events that just made them weaker and weaker.
Ba'al being the only one to realize fighting fire with fire was the best way to handle humans and sacrificing his own pride when it meant achieving a victory was the peak of that whole war.
Planes are always referred to as female.
one day i had a thought; if you made a an AI, and raised in a virtual 4-spatial-dimensional world, it'd have no idea it was weird and assume 4d is the natural workings of the universe.
You could do the same for a human in a VR machine, of course, but it'd much more difficult
Stranger is a fucking aggravating read. The only reason I really even cared enough to get through it was because it was the book that kept the inventor of the water bed from getting a patent.
>Warner Bros. is moving ahead on Tom Cruise‘s sci-fi actioner “Yukikaze,” bringing on “Wrath of the Titans” scribe Dan Mazeau to adapt.
This movie is going to be softer than a flopy dick
>You could do the same for a human in a VR machine,
I doubt it. He's still human and only capable of perceiving 3 dimensions. Also beings that can't perceive 4 dimensions would never be able to create an accurate 4D world for him to explore. Ultimately he'd only know 4 dimensions as what us meager humans think 4 dimensions might be like.
>They didn't sink into the center of the planet like /k/ would have you believe.
You do realize there is no real "center" of the planet?
>doesn't seem that far off from what it could take to support rudimentary sentience
It is. 90% of daily life is very very routine and can be automated.
Shopping, driving cars, making food, all the house chores, agriculture. It's all the same shit with minor variations.
Only corner cases that need improvising are an issue. Note that I say corner cases, not edge cases.
>Go shopping, buy coffee (standard procedure)
>Preferred brand is currently not available
>Orange low water mark [we still have some]: Drop item from list, will try again next time
>Red low water mark [we are out of coffee]: Query watson/google equivalent for adequate substitute brand
>Unhandled error [shop has no coffee at all]: Notify owner, proceed to next task in the meantime
This is what you would consider reasonably intelligent behavior as far as shopping is concerned, and yet it's relatively simple rules and has nothing to do with intelligence.
Of course you need a shitton of those rulesets and some autonomous learning systems too (like google cars have them to learn new streets and such), but those are also very primitive compared to a conscious entity.
They actually have proper alcohol.
The main computer was a cunt and killed a poor guy(whose humiliation and everything was due to the main computer, which led to him getting drunk) to indirectly tell the officers that they didn't need humans.
>Twin Towers wreckage in the background
Oh gee, what will this be an allegory of?
Implying you will be able to comprehend a plot and ideas from any of those books with your tiny underdeveloped brain stained by moeshit Chinese cartoons.
>tfw animu that doesn't have silly tech and powers and is even a little grounded in reality
Its like the holy grail for me, I'm such a stickler for this shit I can never find anything that I like.
4dimensions isn't really that complex that a human can't get used to it. It's only hard to visualize because our eyes can't see 4 dimensions. It's pretty simple actually, the only problem is good IO.
wasn't tom cruise working on top guns 2? He seems to be busy lately
>The project re-teams Cruise with Stoff, Lassally and Hoffs following their work on “Edge of Tomorrow,” another Warner Bros. sci-fi project based on Japanese source material.
SAME TEAM AS EDGE OF TOMORROW, IE BASED AS FUCK
YUKIKAZE WITH 200 MILLION DOLLAR CGI, PROBABLY IN IMAX 3D
TOM CRUISE IS THE HERO WE DESERVE
>needing macross-tier engines to make a brick fly
THE TRIUMPH OF THRUST OVER AERODYNAMICS
Nigger, that is an Eagle.
>If we had Macross-tier engines for our jets, if the air force wanted their jets to be giant bricks, they'll still fly via pure thrust.
Closest thing we had. Maybe ignoring some scramjet prototypes.
Ok, my ignorance aside, the plot summary reads like something /pol/ dreamed up:
>Mandella commands soldiers who speak a language largely unrecognizable to him, whose ethnicity is now nearly uniform and are exclusively homosexual.
Some of the ideas sound interesting, but yeah, nah.
>As much as I enjoyed the hyperion cantos, I still wish he had left it at one book. The story lost its impact after the first and didn't really live up to its potential.
The only mediocre book was the 3rd one because of the structure and lack of good characters, ideas and concepts. It was just a generic adventure.
The last one with Aenea was incredibly powerful thanks to the whole chemistry between MC and Aenea. And the final. I cried like a little bitch reading the final and I still have a trauma because it finished the series perfectly. And it was insanely sad and sorrowful.
Actually two sacrifices by Meina Gladstone and Aenea were incredible and perfectly written by Simmons. It was an unforgettable impact that you can rarely see in any form of art.
Oh and the last book explained a lot about the AI so it was a big plus too. Artificial intelligence in outer space is a good concept and Simmons made it look pretty good unlike some generic Reapers in Mass Effect and its clones.
It's actually really not /pol/ at all.
The author himself is a Vietnam vet, and the novel deals with how soldiers returning from war get alienated by the society they fought to protect.
Give it a try, at least.
Definitely one of the most depressing thoughts. I don't even care about space flight, just the technology to live healthily for around 120 years and use holodecks.
Going by the definition that hard sci-fi is essentially 100% possible in the real world, we just simply haven't gotten there yet, the only anime I can think of is Planetes. Then again, they worked with NASA to fact check, so no surprises there.
Everything with bipedal mechs is compete bullshit if they aren't restricted to space and low gravity, so that eliminates like 90% of all anime sci-fi, warp tech eliminates the rest.
Related, other than the esteemed Steins; Gate, any good and/or not terrible sci-fi VNs?
The more important question is: can Japan into sci-fi?
Yes they have some cyberpunk works.
Yes they have some giant mecha shit.
Yes they have some anti-utopia like Ergo Proxy.
Yes they have some space opera.
But the actual hard sci-fi is kind of nonexistent in Japan. It's Western prerogative.
>The lightblue almost transparent hydrogen flame
>Smaller turbulences pearling down inside the exhaust bells like water
>do you know any hard hard sci-fi VNs then? Steins;Gate is about as 'hard' as I think one could reasonably find
I seriously hope you don't think that S;G is hard sci-fi. With that logic you can probably think that Doctor Who is hard sci-fi as well which is obviously not even remotely true.
>there will never be a Foundation anime
>there will never be a Dune anime
Because it told a political message that the people in both agreed with.
The novel itself sucks. It isn't terribly interesting nor particularly consistent, and while the author says he was in the army, his depiction of how the armed forces work is laughable.
It honestly felt like he wrote it to spite Starship Troopers and nothing more.
Hard scifi is mostly a thing of dead trees.
Western TV or movies don't make all that much of it either
When was the last big successful cyberpunk movie made?
When was the last big space opera (see, not even talking about hard scifi) on TV?
For that matter, when was the last high fantasy show on TV?
Those are all small subsets of vast genre pools. Few are made. Even fewer are good.
Japan produces fewer works than western studios, simply as a matter of numbers and market size. Thus good, hard scifi doesn't come up often as a simple matter of probability, even if you were to completely ignore differences in culture and target audiences.
There's also the Commonwealth Saga (Peter F Hamilton), which is a space opera in the middle ground between hard and soft sci-fi.
There's Foundation, by Isaac Asimov.
The Cycle of Null-A (or non-A, or Ã), by Van Vogt.
neh, i understand your point. I guess I want Dr.Who and similar to be labelled 'science fantasy', so non hard-sci-fi can keep the name of sci-fi and still be distinguished from fantasy.
Nice b8 m8
Seriously, I like the first 3 that I've seen, but they're not hard-sci-fi.
- TIME TRAVEL IS REAL JOHN TITOR SAYS
- AUGMENTED REALITY = PORTALS THROUGH SPACE
- CELL PHONES ARE MAGIC BEEP BOOP MEMORIES GONE
The cycle of null-A has 3 books. World, Players and End.
I read it when I was quite younger than I am now, so maybe the nostalgia goggles are in effect.
Usually people say that End of Null-A is the worst book. Considering the writer wanted to end the cycle at two books and the publisher pushed the third one on the author's deathbed, you might believe them.
>want to complain dense asteroid field
What's wrong with current sea pirates?
Looks pretty hardcore to me.
Really, "Hard" Sci-Fi autists just amuse the fuck out of me. It's basically just people who want to have more elaborate (and false) systems explained, rather than get a good story.
Fucking autists who spend 50 pages explaining "how something works" rather than doing what we do with real life technology.
The car started.
That statement is 3 words. It doesn't explain jack shit about how a car functions or what combustion engines are, or anything-- because that shit is entirely fucking irrelevant to anyone.
Fucking christ. Just these "hard" sci-fi fags are such a bitchmade lot.
Not the anon you're answering to but:
Not scifi. Cowboys/revolutionaries in space.
Not super duper hard either. Gods, prophecies, people coming back from the dead etc. More like your typical fantasy but in a tech setting.
Both of those were good, but I don't think they're scifi.
drafted to vietnam, purple heart recipient, book is still one of the most popular books in the us army (alongside catch 22 lmao)
and saying a good book was written to spite a juvenile lecture written as a book
some real ignorant niggas in this thread
God Tier Scifi
Voices of a Distant Star
Ghost in the Shell (Movie)
Full Metal Panic!
Darker Than Black
Ghost in the Shell (SAC)
Armored Trooper Votoms
Mystery Science 2000 tier Scifi
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
~i'm sure i'm forgetting a bunch but this is off the top of my head.
It is sci-fi and it is hard sci-fi in the majority of scientific moments. "Cowboys in space" has absolutely nothing to do with the scientific part of Firefly, so it's pretty clear that you don't even know what are you talking about.
Congrats with QUALITY post.
There are movies as well.
>he doesn't like worldbuilding
>implying intricate settings and characters working with them can't be part of a good story
Next time take your ADD meds before you try reading a book.
>Not super duper hard either. Gods, prophecies, people coming back from the dead etc. More like your typical fantasy but in a tech setting.
So what, the religious part of Cylon is a classic sci-fi motive about machines finding their own god, soul, etc. There are no miracles or any kind of magic though.
>There are movies as well.
Sure sure, but now compare it to cop shows. they're basically the equivalent to japan's harem romcom anime being the bread and butter.
My point was merely that they're more of a niche thing with a few gems now and then.
Scifi needs a high budget, especially if it's set in space, and good writers. Getting both on the same table is a rare occurrence.
>ucking autists who spend 50 pages explaining "how something works" rather than doing what we do with real life technology.
What in the hell are you talking about? What you describe is exactly what happens in every soft-scifi ever.
There's always some kind of doohicky that gets justified with pseudoscience babble.
The nice thing about hard sci-fi is that you don't have to explain these things, because the core concepts don't violate reality as we know them, so we can focus on the story itself.
Your post literally only makes sense if you replace 'hard' with 'soft'.
>That statement is 3 words. It doesn't explain jack shit about how a car functions or what combustion engines are, or anything-- because that shit is entirely fucking irrelevant to anyone.
And it's also boring as fuck to read. A bit of description and world-building helps in making that not boring as fuck.
It doesn't change the point of my post - there are some hard sci-fi TV/movie adaptations on West and almost 0 of them in Japan.
Gravity is visually stunning but I doubt you can call it sci-fi since it's just a catastrophe in space.
Moon (2009) is perfectly hard sci-fi though.
I didn't watch the first show, but the most recent one had Baltar and 6 (?) as angels of God, "It happened before, it will happen again", and that pilot girl who was Adama's son's tsundere waifu in spite of his married wife: she died in a fighter crash and came back later to "guide humanity towards Earth".
>there are some hard sci-fi TV/movie adaptations on West
>almost 0 of them in Japan.
>some, almost 0
See, those are pretty vague numbers. Vague, smallish percentages over vastly different market sizes.
It's not a very objective measure.
>Maybe besides the lady becoming a bear.
It was explained that she is in a life support suit that looks like a bear. I suppose if you have the spend the rest of your life in one, you might as well have them make it look like something badass.
why not this?
is not SO good, but is atleast good
This is supposed to be her without the bear-suit.
Can't grow crops on desert sand, mostly because sand can't hold water for more than a couple hours before it trickles away.
Basically, if the soil doesn't have the necessary qualities, which rely quite a lot on processes that happened during the ice ages and dead organic material, we can't do jack shit.
we're a long way off direct neural interfacing.
first of all, we have yet to create an interface that doesnt cause nerve damage in some way.
Even if we do find some material that the body wont reject, its still going to be very invasive. To get something we could put on and take off, our best hope is probably installing them in fetuses, matrix style, and having the device interface with that. Good luck getting that to happen.
But lets say you somehow sidestep the ethical issues and figure out a solution for the other two problems...
How do we actually communicate with the brain? Yes you can give the brain unexpected input and it will adapt to try and make sense of it, but we're after a seamless from real to virtual.
So we reverse engineer the brain's communication protocols. And then you realise that its different for every person. Nerves are not just dumb wires, they perform all sorts of calculations on the data they are transmitting. Depending on what a person has experienced, two people with the same genetics may be getting very different input to their brains.
But lets say we get around that too... then assuming computers are fast enough and efficient enough, something like the NervGear would be possible.
But in the next 50 years? Please. Blindness has been an issue since we evolved eyes. We dont have artificial eyes yet. Hearing loss, Neurodegenerative diseases, paralysis. The list goes on. Creating a NervGear means we've already solved those problems. And they are at least a century away.
>Not every joke is a troll.
>Even if someone's only pretending to be retarded it's worth having someone point out what they're saying is retarded
That's what amused reaction faces and witty comments are for. Save the irate rants for when someone actually mentions Sailor Moon as hard sci-fi WITHOUT humorous purpose.
>you were born too early for space flight and space civilization
Blame the fact that absolutely no one is willing to put their fortunes into it funding the beginning of it.
Goddamn it all.
Elon musk is
But United Launch Alliance and boeing itself are trying to shut him down and spread FUD about him online because he's in direct competition with them for NASA and military contracts.
Pretty good anon. Information Age a best. Space age would have all sorts of shit going down but right now we are at the height of convenience for our potential. Something will probably come and fuck it up like it does so often with all societies but I'd rather live at the peak of this naive age than the beginnings of a glorious one.
>while the author says he was in the army
He actually was. And he saw combat.
But yeah Forever War sucks regadless. The message the author conveys is good, nothing bad about it. But the whole the world's "best of the best" just being sheep obeying the draft without any qualms despite knowing that the war was bullshit, and doing nothing but fucking all holes in sight when out of combat thing was retarded. Same with the entire "time travel" thing and the galaxy eventually turning into /pol/'s Worst Nightmare Land. The entire part towards the end about holing up in a cave and putting up a resistance against aliens armed with sticks and stones was both boring and unbelievably bad.
With Starship Troopers you get the feel that it's a believable future world, a story that can happen and characters that can exist. With Forever War it's lie you're reading some sort of bizarre drug induced fantasy someone conjured up after reading ST.
some fun with god
>Patlabor never explains how its titular robots are able to support their own weight or move.
Some labors use superconductors (seen in the movie 1 when the construction labor freezes everything after being shoot) plus >>113543092
>Space civilization will only be considered when Earth will be too fucked up to support Humanity.
>They'll probably be loads of conflicts about who can, cannot and will leave Earth.
>The gap between Old Earth and Space kiddies will be even bigger than between Europe and murica.
>Space kiddies will suck up Earth's last ressources to set up their colonies and never return anything, leaving only hatred between them.
WE COULD UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.