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I started Madoka pretty late in the game.
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I started Madoka pretty late in the game.
Can someone tell me what death spiders are?
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>>112854941
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>>112854941
just watch your head op
all wil be clear soon
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>>112854984
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I just finished this for the first time today.
It made me feel a bit light-headed.
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>>112854941
Homura's vag00.
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sayaka a cute
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>>112856441
Go away, Kyouko.
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>>112856441
>edgy whore
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>>112856546
Homura is the edgy whore Madoka never loved.
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>>112856546
>>112856598
Damn haters ruining another thread.
All megukas a best.
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welp that's get started. Sayaka a shit. And will always a shit.
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I really didn't see the whole Homura thing coming.
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>>112854941
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>>112856738
Sayaka and Kyouko's necks are too fat in that picture.
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>>112856944
Are the spiders some sort of anti-Lesbian weapon so Hitomi can preserve her Heterosexual hierarchy?
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>>112857104
Sure, sounds reasonable.
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>>112857104
>implying Hitomi needs a weapon to defend herself from lesbians
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>>112856738
Based Mami - only girl who doesn't look weird as fuck in that image.
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>>112857154
The fists can only go so far. The Lesbomagnetic forces in the Madoka universe increase as Homura becomes more powerful.

Think about it - it makes sense.
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>>112857155
mami thread ?
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>>112857155
Mami may look the least weird, but still does. Though Homura's angle fucked her up, Madokami looks just fine.

>>112857259
Stop hijacking threads.
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>>112857259
Let's roll!
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>>112857296
uh, ok. I'm sorry.
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>>112857296
I'll admit that it's only Homura's angle makes her look odd, but what is at all wrong with how Mami looks? Madokami looks normal, but it doesn't resemble her as much as it should.
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>>112857323
k
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>>112857457
>that image
What the sweet fuck?!
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>>112857539
It's just Candeloro.
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So, all girls thread?
All girls thread.
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>>112857758
Mmmm, I like where this one is going.
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>>112857939
ok
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>>112857945
Do not start this.
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>>112857939
Don't taint this thread!
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>>112857397
I don't know, I may be so used to the megucas wide art style that any other looks odd one way or another to me. Needless to say, odd doesn't equal to bad.

>>112857539
Candeloro, from the PSP game. Mami's witch

>>112857939
Yes.
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>>112858037
Sorry, sorry - back to purity.
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Do not falter!
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>>112858075
Goddamn, I am still mad they made and will still make Mami's tits so absurdingly big after Rebellion.
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spides of death
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What makes Mami so Mami?
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There is a Mami thread in /c/ that needs friends too, why not go there to image dump like this?
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Best grills.
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>>112858239
They were so perfectly sized before. Above average for her age, but not unusually big.
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>>112854941
Better stop watching it now op. Next you will think other shit shows are good and start degrading the board.
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>>112858075
>>112858082
>tfw you will never take a portrait of all the megucas
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>>112858300
Tea, Cake, and Loneliness.

Oh, and lots of guns!
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>>112858300
cause of her mamis
>>112858317
I didin't know /c/ have mami threads
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>>112858372
What could have been...
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>>112858257
What's going on in that image?
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>>112858325
sorry but no.
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>>112858519
I want to make Mami smile!
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>>112858560
All girls are best girls.
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>>112858566
Madoka should wear her hair up more often.
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>>112858402
You can learn to draw them too, faggot. If you don't, then you don't want it enough.

>>112858434
/c/ has every kind of meguca threads. I mean, come on.

>>112858434
>>112858417
Responses like this make me fear for the future of Mamifags in general.

>>112858559
Solar eclipse
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>>112858607
Is there a reason you have to try and ruin every thread?
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>>112858673
Because cancer.
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>>112858607
Pls no bully.
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>>112858611
ok.
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sum, smug mami
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>>112858557
That spoiler in >>112858672 was for you.
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>>112858607
Don't you think enough is enough? We get it, you'll never stop having shit taste and people telling you will not change that.
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>>112858707
yeah, you wouldn't want her to lose her head.
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>>112858781
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>>112858672
>Responses like this make me fear for the future of Mamifags in general.
But it was joke.

Pic related is what truly makes Mami Mami.
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>>112858784
Ha, brilliant! Thanks!
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>>112858781
Can you stop with the Mami shitposting? It's like you're trying to win something that doesn't exist.
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>>112858853
Mami is too much of a Lady to go commando.
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>>112858962
It's just an image dump anon.
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>>112858836
>little shit thinks that being smug will save her from being bullied as well
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>>112858300
The way she keeps her head on her shoulders.
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>>112858999
Oh of course forgot about the dump shit.
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>>112858950
>Mami all alone.
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>>112859044
Mami a ugly whore.
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>>112859096
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can we talk about rebellion
I just watched it a few days ago and I'm not sure how to feel about it
the fan service kind of bothered me (3 minute transformation scene, the fucking cake song) and the pacing didn't feel right, and the fight scene between homu and mami was kind of boring

what happened?
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>>112859127
How? I find that picture to be more adorable than any other thing.
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>>112859002
In the right context, that scene is hilarious.
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some lewds
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>>112859161
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>>112859161
No! For once a Meguca thread will not turn into a Rebellion shitfest. The Homu-haters can smell such threads a mile away and they always ruin everything.
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>>112859220
I love that image. I have it on a mug.
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>>112859265
homu is my favorite girl though and I think what she did in rebellion was right
pls
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>>112859266
It is pretty great, some of ume's best work.
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>>112859161
The cake song, transformations and all that jazz was to create an atmosphere of awkwardness, to make the viewer feel or know that something was wrong without telling him what it was.

About that Mami vs Homura fight, come the fuck on, it was great.
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>>112859265
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>>112859161

First 2/3rd of the movie had some interesting ideas, but kinda failed at both the pacing and the exposition.

Last 1/3rd was a bad idea that also suffered from pretty bad exposition.

Now we just have to wait for an eventual 4th movie or 2nd season
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>>112859096
Why is Mami so beautiful?
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>>112859348
Don't encourage him! We're having a lovely, pure Meguca thread for once.
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>>112859348
That's such a shitty fight. It looks like a poor man's Equilibrium.
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>>112859422
More an image dump thread.
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>>112859348
Yeah I get that they wanted us to be so confused after the series but
>30
>fucking
>minutes
>before
>any
>action
and the fight scene sucked, watch the fight scene with sayaka and kyouko or something, it had emotion and it was interesting

sure homura and mami looked good but until the end it was just
>SHE CAN PREDICT ALL MY MOVES AND OUR SHOTS WILL JUST BARELY MISS/COLLIDE WITH EACH OTHER
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>>112859439
Drunk Megucas. Man, if they stumbled upon a Witch on the way home it would be hilarious.
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Where is that Mami/Charlotte picture? You know which one.
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>>112859476
Eh, those can be lovely and pure too.
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>>112859493
>Mysterious white liquid
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>>112859481
>complaining about a goat action scene in a flawless movie.
I guess there's no pleasing some people.
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I genuinely liked Rebellion but it's nowhere near the refined aspects of the series. Pacing is off, writing wasn't as good, directing wasn't as tight. Art sure was pretty though, whilst the OST was still good but not quite series good.

As a huge fan of the series, it disappointed me, but could've been worse.
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though it was figma
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>>112859654
>I guess there's no pleasing some people.
If there was, /a/ wouldn't exist.
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Who is best Meguca and why is it Sayaka*
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>>112859697
>figma
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>>112859481
What the heck do you expect? There is a huge difference between a fight were both of the opponents are melee and one of two gun users. Besides, Sayaka and Kyouko wanted to kill each other (even if they wouldn't be able to) whereas Mami and Homura fought without truly wanting it.

>>112859654
>flawless movie
Now you are taking it too far.

>>112859664
The art obviously surpassed the series in practically every aspect, that is what budget is for. But other than that, I agree.
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>>112859664
Those Megucas in your image look like feminine teenage boys.
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>>112859746
Go away Kevin.
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>>112859654
That fight was shit m8. Have you ever watched a good fight scene in your life?
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Okay, that's all from me for the moment.
That's not even a dent in my all-fag folder. But I need to go shit post in another thread.
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>>112859815
Nooooo...
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>>112859814
I happen to be an expert on fight scenes and that fight scene I would r8 an 8/8.
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>>112859412
>We haven't learned that Shaft will fuck shit up.
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>>112859766
>t-the fight wasn't shit guys it was g-great
>gets told why he's wrong
>WHO CARES WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!!!

as expected of a mami fan
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>>112859871
L-l-lewd!
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>>112857323
Yeah let's get the head rolling!
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>>112859880
More like H8/10
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Madoka healing Homura's loneliness with love is the only reason to want another movie.
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>>112859930
I know, r8
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why can't i find the dubbed madoka movies? i know rebellion isn't dubbed yet but the others are.

inb4
>watching dubs
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>>112860042
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>>112860128
>watching dubs
but why
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>>112859919
>"gets told why he's wrong"
>t-they are too good and can predict each other movements therefore it's shit
>I-I want a fight where the opponents say epic speeches to each other, no matter who they are, their fighting style or the way they usually behave

P-please.
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>>112860180
sorry, you're right
I get in these weirds moods where I shitpost for no reason
don't h8 me pls
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>>112860130
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>>112859348
>atmosphere of awkwardness
And it worked. I felt like something was off, just like what Homura was feeling. Did it way better than Eva 3.0. BUT that being said, the Mami vs. Homura fight wasn't as emotionally engaging as it could've been. It was still amazingly choreographed. I wouldn't say it's as bad as the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight in RoTS.
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What is dumb limit ?
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...seriously tho, m8s, the fuck are death spiders?
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>>112860326
What is wrong with the Anakin vs Obi-wan fight other than it's too long?
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>>112860368
You are.
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Why is Mami such a chubby semen-dæmon?
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>>112860409
It's overly choreographed. There's no tension whatsoever. The point was that Anakin loses, that's it. The fact that the rest of the movie is garbage anyway.
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>>112860405
We may never know.

>>112860368
Usually 250.
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>>112860590
She isn't, though.
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>>112860590
probably cake and tea
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>>112860660
Is it from some joke fansub or what?
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>>112860590
>semen-dæmon
sudo /etc/init.d/semen stop
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>>112860739
Nah, she usually has her tea black.

like she has her cock
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>>112860590
Why do you lie, anon?
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Will it be 2011 ever again?
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>>112860826
Too many doujins, anon.
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>>112860826
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>>112860870
>rabbit

You know what they're known for.
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>>112860826
mami's cock isn't black anon
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>>112860946
Mami is called "Mami" for a reason and purpose. She can't be futa.
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>>112860879
>best episode
>not 7 or 9
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>>112860941
...for being former old men?
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>>112860941
Being cute, fluffy, and tasty?
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>>112860941
Good thing Mami isn't a rabbit then.
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>>112861007
You realise the problem of pointing that out to people who've only just seen episode 3, right?
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>>112861063
Meh, they taste a bit like chicken, (also white meat). But nah, it's near constant fucking.
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>>112861091
Wasn't that thread for episode 10?
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>>112861091
What does episode 3 have to do with anything? That's the episode 10 thread.

I worked that out from the date because I know too much arbitrary information
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>>112861195
I dunno, I can't remember what happened episode 10.
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>>112861178
That is one gorgeous thigh...
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Kyaa!!
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>>112861243
>I worked that out from the date because I know too much arbitrary information

Son, you knew it because of autism.
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>>112860879
Homura really deserves a life in Madoka's arms. Even the devil stuff is okay because it's a step towards making that possible.
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>>112861261
Homura time travel episode
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>>112861261
Fucking honestly?
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>>112861318
>all that symbolism pointing to a "missing half" at the end of the movie
>a step towards

No.
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>>112861360
Yeah. I do not know about you, but I had shit to do in the many months between watching Puella Magi Madoka Magica and the present moment.
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Qb best girl, I love the qb.
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>>112861483
It's not nice to lie, anon.
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>>112861483
I haven't seen the series since almost a whole year now, yet I remember the motherfucking episode 10.
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>>112861569
Fuck you Holmes, I learned how to change video file types. I read half of Candide. I had a white Russian.
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>>112861454
>Madoka reaches out to Homura
>this happens
>ending where they can be together as equals in love

Only possible with Rebellion. Madoka gets what Madoka wants and Madoka wants Homura.
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>>112861631
Well, that's very nice for you. You keep that close to you, that's a special memory.
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>>112861700
So? Lots of things are possible now, it doesn't mean any of them will happen. You are assuming a lot of things when the whole mood of the show pointed towards the opposite. If you want doujins, go read them, but I am talking about the movie, what was shown to us and happened.
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>>112861896
But here's thing: you can interpetate what we were shown in different ways.
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>>112861712
It's just a matter of paying attention, anon, especially when it's the most important chapter of a series you are watching.
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>>112861960
Well, here's the thing. It may be the most important chapter, but the series itself, in the grand scheme of things, is not that important.

Or at least, wasn't as important as all the other shit I was trying to memorise at the time.
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Reading archive brings back some memories
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>>112861930
>interpetate
Here's the real thing: can interpret and interpret correctly are two different things.
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>>112861896
If you honestly think Madoka wouldn't love Homura back given the chance you misinterpreted the whole series. If nothing changes from Rebellion's ending then everyone is happy and Homura can be happy knowing she made a happy world for Madoka.

So if there's a problem, Madoka fixes it and gets with Homura, if there isn't, it's a happy ending. Madoka would probably demand Homura's attention anyway because she always does.
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are there any do it for her pics for homura/madoka?
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>>112862037
Except that's rank horseshit.

Interpretation is based upon subjective observation. No one can have the "right" interpretation as no one can have the "right" observation.

Fuck there are some branches of literary criticism where Kurt Vonnegut could come back from the dead, explain to you what Slaughthouse 5 was about and you could tell him he was completely wrong, and give your own interpretation, and it'd be just as valid.
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>>112862179
>just as valid

Providing you argue the point sufficiently.
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>>112862037
How do you define a correct interpretation? In the case of mathematical truths there's a whole formal theory about that, in the case of statements about the world there are a bunch of theories of truth, such as correspondence theory, but in the case of interpretations of fictive works, how does that work?
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>>112861930
You must be a real fool to if you don't get the blatant symbolism of this bullshit.
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>>112862179
My interpretation for Rebellion is that Homura just really wanted some Skittles. And that's why she did all the crazy things, because only the real Madoka knew where to buy the flavor of Skittles she wanted.

Go fuck yourself.
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>>112862230
By not being brain dead.
It's really not that hard.
The only requirement is that you are not brain dead, that's it.
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>>112862271
>not yet

Are you seriously underestimating Madoka's hope/Madoka's love/Homura's love/the power of fate?
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>>112862108
Then, your stupid yuri faggotry weights more than what was actually shown and implied in the show, uh? No surprises here.
If they never continue it, then things stay as they are. No amount of fanfiction can change it. Anything else is some subjective bullshit assumed by your ass.
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>>112862316
Well, I hold that interpretations of fictions are severely undetermined by what's actually shown, even more than facts underdetermine theories, and even that there's no point in trying to get closer to an absolutely "correct" interpretation. That is, I hold that an interpretation is correct when it is both useful to people (like James uses the concept of usefulness to talk about truth) and coherent with the original material. Interpretations are severely underdetermined because to interpret fictions we need a bunch of implicit assumptions that easily varies accross cultures, time, and even within a single mind over very short periods of time.
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>>112862271
You're like a four year old flinging the boardgame across the room. Are you a real enough fool to actually think what you're saying or do you know you're beaten and you're just backpedaling?
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>>112862516
See >>112862276

You have no argument other than your mommy raised you to think you're a special snowflake that can never be wrong.
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>>112862518
What backpedaling? By shoving evidence in the face of autistic yurifags who are unable to get symbolism I am doing nothing but reinforcing my point.
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>>112862276
Okay, you are entitled to your interpretation.

But I would point out that your argument is poorly made. Not only do we have no idea whether skittles exists in the madoka universe, we also have no idea whether Homura even likes them to begin with, there were no clear interpretations as to this fact.
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>>112862516
Oh, and your retarded interpretations are no coherent, you just think they are because as I just said, you're retarded.
Everyone wants to think they're thinking logically and correct.
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>>112862512
Or perhaps Homura didn't damn herself to an eternity of suffering but rather intends to make her world better and is accepting loneliness as her punishment. There's enough evidence for thinking this in the series. There's also enough evidence to indicate Madoka will always be close to Homura no matter what. The original point was that Rebellion's ending separated them forever which is just a grim interpretation that places no faith in either Madoka or Homura.
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>>112862614
And so the uncultured buffoon is again rendered in a state of sheer rage, his already limited vocabulary and intelligence unable to convey whatever halfbaked point he had. It is fun to use such very simple logic and philosophy in this way.

Stay mad, son.
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>>112862746
>The original point was that Rebellion's ending separated them forever which is just a grim interpretation that places no faith in either Madoka or Homura

I am sorry you didn't get your lovey dovey ending, anon, but it's not like Urobuchi is known for that.
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>>112862671
But how do you know it is not YOU who is retarded? How can you be sure in his retardation, when in fact you only think that because you are retarded?
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>>112862624
>implying Homura didn't remake the universe with Skittles
Friendly reminder that your "argument" is bullshit.
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>>112862909
Because I'm not stupid enough to think I can never be wrong.
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>>112863040
No, I'm flat out saying it. Where have you gotten this interpretation from? Why, exactly, do you think the story is centred around skittles in this way?
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>>112863093
Unless you're stupid enough to think you're think you're not stupid enough to be wrong in this instant.
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>>112862825
You didn't give a single reason why it's as you say, while I just presented some evidence in the form of a scene in the actual ending of the movie that points towards my interpretation being correct.

But I see that people like yourself don't mind reaching new levels of autism as to deny facts. Sasuga, yurifag, and stick you your fanfictions.
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>>112863178
I don't have a clue what you're on about son, I just pointed out you can't have a "correct" interpretation.
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>>112863129
She even puts them in her mouth and eats them. Sure looks like Skittles play a major role in this story.
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>>112863282
And why do you think those are skittles? Why are they in the soul gem? Where are the little white "S"'s?
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>>112863173
>>112863257
I think the guy talking about skittles has more than proven you're an idiot. Interpretations can be wrong, just like you are now.
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>>112862875
>Even the devil stuff is okay because it's a step towards making that possible.
>>112861454

Without the rebellion there was never a chance for them to be happy together. Now there is. It's the fact that that chance even exists that's important. Urobuchi also stressed the ideas that hope and love are the strongest, so there's no reason not to be optimistic at the ending in some way or another.
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>>112863330
The multiple colors and circles are clearly symbolic for Skittles, it's just 2deep4u.
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>>112863348
But they can't be "wrong". That implies they can be "right".

You cannot have a "right" or "correct" interpretation, it's a oxymoron.

The most you can have is a convincing interpretation, but you're never going to have an interpretation that convinces everyone.

This means the skittles guy has, in fact, proven me right. If he feels Madoka is about skittles, that's his prerogative. He has look at the evidence, and he has reached that conclusion. I'm not convinced by that interpretation, but it's based upon his observation, which I am in no place to question.
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>>112863348
He's not wrong, I just THINK he is.

But, that's based upon subjective observation, so, I cannot claim in all honesty that he IS wrong.
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>>112863562
Would you look at that?
Tropical Skittles have the same color scheme as their soul gems.
You can hardly write this off as a coincidence, anon.

Clearly Madoka was the only personal in the universe who knew where to buy Tropical Skittles, and that's why Homura wanted to save Madoka so bad.
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>>112863727
Ah, but what about the green skittles? What's her face isn't a Magical girl.

Furthermore, how can Homura be so devastated by not having tropical skittles when tropical skittles are shit?
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>>112863392
Sure, except for all the symbolism in the very end of the show pointing towards the opposite. But it probably was a mistake, right? It's not like the whole show is heavely based in symbolism and implications or anything.

Saying stuff like "it now can happen is what is important" is no different than saying that every timeline is canon because "it could have happened".
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>>112863830
Green is mixed in with Homura's tainted soul gem, step up nerd.
>tropical skittles are shit
You have canon shit taste.
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>>112863881
Here's the thing.

That's just, like, your opinion, man.
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>>112863881
>>112864016
What the fuck even skittles are?
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>>112863848
You mean the symbolism that even though Homura feels lonely she's okay with it because Madoka is safe and happy, her friends got their happiness granted, Kyubey is fucked and she's finally fulfilled her promise? Sure, she's alone burdened with intense love, but the ending is not macabre as you make it seem. Especially with everyone's smiling faces right before and Madoka and Homura running off hand in hand in the ED.
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>>112864016
Have you realized you're retarded yet? I really hope you have.
"Can twist semantics and make facetious arguments" != "subjectively correct"

You are wrong. It's as simple as that.
"I think I'm right" is not proof that you are.
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>>112864097
Little sweets made up of of sugar with a sugar shell and chemical colouring/flavouring.

The original flavours aspre delicious, the sour and tropical flavours are shit.
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>>112864151
What burden does Homura have? It feels like that ending was just there to make it feel sad in a way or as an excuse to a sequel if they ever wanted one.
She was happy with betraying her friend and her wish if that meant she would stay safe, the other girls had their memories brainwashed or outrightly rewritten but are totally happy and, while shit seems unstable, it doesn't seem to be a menace in any way for the time being.
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>>112864097
They're usually good with iced tea
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>>112864173
But here's the thing. In my interpretation, it's not semantics or facetious and it is correct. I'm not saying I am right, you are wrong, I'm merely putting an argument for my being right forward.

You however, aooear to be sure that you are objectively correct. To which I ask, according to which object?

I feel we've gotten off topic so I'll sum it up.

Different people interpret works of art in different ways. To one person a slash of red across a canvas says books about the creator's feelings, to another it's no more than a slash of red paint.

I can't agree that one can interpret art in a "correct" way because the truth would ultimately lie with the artist, which means I would have to accept all that avant garde bullshit.

So no, one cannot have a "correct" interpretation, anymore than one can have a "correct" taste in food. One can merely have a interpretation that is convincing to other people, to the degree that they accept that interpretation in place of their own.
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>>112864097
What kind of backwater country do you live in that doesn't have Skittles?
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>>112864622
The whitest
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>>112864672
Now, since you are a subject that means it a country that THINKS it's the whitest in the world.

I guess Argentina.
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>>112864597
You don't want to admit interpretations can be wrong because that would mean admitting everything you've learned in life and the very bases on which you think is completely wrong.
My example about Skittles is clearly wrong, and you know it. That alone is proof things can be incorrect.

Your problem is you think the the world revolves around you, and that your opinion actually means something. As evident by your rampant use personal pronouns. This means you are incapable of thinking objectively and that refuse to adhere to the correct mindset. You don't want to be wrong, so you've conditioned yourself into thinking you never are as long as your own thoughts support yourself. Which is the very definition of circular logic.
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>>112859412
I agree with the pacing thing, but the last leg was great
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>>112864476
Homura's burden is that she intentionally threw away her dreams for herself for Madoka. She didn't betray her wish and nobody is brainwashed, but she's not going to apologize for what she did either. She knows it's bad and is alright with it and the consequences of not being able to partake in the happiness of her world because everything is better than it was before. The point is that things most likely will not stay this way forever, and even if they do it's still a happy ending overall. If they don't, then odds are heavily in favor of Madoka reconciling with her and helping her create a better ending where they can both get what they want, a life with each other.
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>>112864948
I would disagree, I think you've made a fundamental (and incorrect) assumption in my viewpoint. You think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that I say no interpretation can be wrong because I do not wish to be wrong.

However, I would argue that it is more a case that I say no interpretation can be right based upon the assumption that I am wrong.

But that's my interpretation. The truth of the matter could be either. Or both ( so often we judge ourselves harshly and then get incredibly indignant when others do the same).

I, personally, think your example with skittles is wrong.

I, personally, do not think there is a God (in the Judeo-Christian sense) but numerous other people think there is. Who am I to say they are wrong? Why am I in a position to pass judgement on what is and isn't real when that judgement relies on subjective observation?

> incapable of thinking objectively

I would argue that nearly everyone is incapable to thinking objectively, as it would require us to abandon all of existence, which is perseived through a subject, ourselves. (I say nearly everyone, because I am unsure as to the abilities of "Buddhas", be they Buddhists or not, to think objectively).

You cannot have a " wrong" opinion, or a "right" one, merely an opinion that is either badly argued or well argued. This is as true for myself as it is for everyone else, when it comes to opinions.
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>>112865658
You are so retarded it hurts. Please go back to whatever shit forum you came from.
Again, your personal pronouns just prove you are not smart. You are just wanna be smart.
My Skittles example is not wrong because you think so, it's wrong because we know Homura's motivation is clearly not fucking candy.
Events have set meanings, and events have a set number of answers.
"Madoka brushes her teeth" can only mean one thing. Just because one person thinks "Madoka is brushing her teeth to distract the ninja from the fact she as a semi-automatic machine gun hidden in her shirt" does not mean Madoka actually has a semi-automatic machine gun hidden in her shirt while she's brushing her teeth.

This is the same type of example as my Skittles one. You are working under the assumption everything has an infinite number answers. And if you don't understand how stupid that sounds then you are truly unable to be helped.
Honestly, your post is so stupid, I think you're trolling right now. More like I wish you were trolling, but still.
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>>112865628
>nobody is brainwashed
What.
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>>112866066
I am very much aware that there are many people far smarter than I am. I refer to myself this way to stress, this is MY interpretation; what I think and believe.

>You are working under the assumption everything has an infinite number answers. And if you don't understand how stupid that sounds then you are truly unable to be helped.

If I was I was not aware of it. Please, would you be so kind as to humour me and explain just why it is stupid to think so.

The way I see it, something can be interpretated in any such way someone would want to. Madoka may brush her teeth, but is that all that's happening? Can it be a metaphor? If so, of what?

Just look at Evangelion, for instance, I know I am.

The way I see it, art can be interpretated in any way one wants to, as I've said. I will not agree with all those interpretations, especially if people just start taking the piss, but I do not believe my opinion is infallible, so if I have out forward my argument the best I can, and you do not agree I will not push it.

But, anyway, please explain just why I am wrong, you've been avoiding doing so most of this discussion. And, also, if there ARE objectively "right" and "wrong" interpretations of art, who decides which is which?
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>>112866551
Universe rewrite =/= brainwashing.
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>>112866586
It is objectively wrong that Madoka is not brushing her teeth to distract ninjas and it is objectively wrong that Homura's main motivation in the story is Skittles.

If Madoka Madoka brushing her teeth was an allegory, not metaphor, then something else would be indicative of that. And that would be another condition set in the equation of judging what the scene meant. If there is no information leading as such it can't be "subjectively correct" just because someone had the idea. Because there is always someone, somewhere who will have an idea. And you are saying that all those someones are correct because it's their opinion. That's why you are saying there are infinite number of correct answers.
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>>112866586
>>112866862
Oh, and to be honest. I didn't even read your argument. All I say you say was "any interpretation can be right" and started from there.
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>>112866862
There is always someone, somewhere, arguing against you.

As long as you remember it, you are not correct.
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>>112867001
You know how faulty that statement is, right?
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>Rebellion's ending
>optimistic
I want whatever you guys are smoking.
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>>112866862
>And you are saying that all those someones are correct because it's their opinion.

Not quite. I do not believe, for a second, that everyone's opinions are equally valid, merely that the measure of an argument can only be how well it is presented.

I've enjoyed a lot of just downright odd culture in my time, I guess I've simply learned to avoid setting too much stock in what I think's happening, because trying to find meaning in The Prisoner, for example, is an excersise in futility.

Basically, two people can watch the same movie, and come away with two very different views of what it meant, and as long as it is as open to interpretation as Rebellion was, one cannot say one view is objectively "true".

I wish I'd have brought how open things are to interpretation sooner.
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>>112867204
>Homura wins
>everyone is happy forever
>Homura loses
>Madoka and her buddies fix whatever went wrong and fix Homura as well
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>>112867483
>Homura loses
>Madoka and her buddies fix whatever went wrong and fix Homura as well
Please tell me you don't actually believe this.
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>>112867353
>I do not believe, for a second, that everyone's opinions are equally valid
>>112866586
>The way I see it, art can be [interpenetrated] in any way one wants to, as I've said
>>112865658
>I, personally, do not think there is a God (in the Judeo-Christian sense) but numerous other people think there is. Who am I to say they are wrong?
Like fuck, you can hardly even spell. You've spelled "interpret" and variations of it wrong so many times it's not even funny.
>Basically, two people can watch the same movie, and come away with two very different views of what it meant
That's cool, and the whole point of this is that one of those two people can be wrong.
I fucking hate that I have to do this.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN SEE SOMETHING ONE WAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT WAY IS CORRECT EVEN IF THE STORY IS VAGUE THERE ARE STILL SET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS POSED.
Please let that sink in so I never have to type with caps lock on again.
>I wish I'd have brought how open things are to interpretation sooner.
This has been your argument along. The fact you just now realized this is what you are trying to say is pitiable at best.
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>>112859796
More people than me like my waifu.
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>>112867928
So true.
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>>112867771
>JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN SEE SOMETHING ONE WAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT WAY IS CORRECT EVEN IF THE STORY IS VAGUE THERE ARE STILL SET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS POSED.

I never said it was correct. I rejected the very notion it could be correct. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?

I won't bother responding to the rest seeing as how meaningless it is.
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>>112863392
Hope is a naive stupid piece of shit that deserved to be caged up for being so trusting and weak.

Fuck hope.
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>>112868040
You mean how your intelligence is so low you can't can't even spell so why should anything else you say carry weight?

And what you fail to understand here is there that there is no "part right" there is only "right" and "wrong". If we are talking about a given set of questions you can be part right. But for each individual question there is a finite answer.

You push the notion that any interpretation at all holds some validity. This is dead wrong.
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>>112867771
Opinions in this way are not decided up into "correct" and "incorrect", merely into degrees of believability/acceptability.

What you must accept however, is that those degrees are specific only to yourself.

If you're finding this too nuanced, please say. It's becoming so late that it's getting early.
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>>112866664
Guess that's why Sayaka knew everything Homura did and then lost all her memories when Homura clapped her hands right?
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Can we talk about genuine Madoka Magica without Rebellion?
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>>112867768
>implying Madoka would fail to save her best friend and most special person
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>>112868211
>Opinions in this way are not decided up into "correct" and "incorrect", merely into degrees of believability/acceptability.
This means the same fucking thing.

Please, again stop being so new and learn to update the page before posting. Now read >>112868194
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>>112868311
No, because Rebellion shits on the original series.

>Madoka ends the series confident, powerful, without regrets and in control of her destiny

Rebellion
>Oh wait, Madoka actually would never want to make her wish, silly audience!
>Oh wait, the incubators are going to imprison Madoka eventually if the status quo is kept
>You can break a god's power by tugging at their sleeves and being in love
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>>112868311
>request to talk about meguca without Rebellion
>use Rebellion art for pic
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>>112868194
But when you are interpreting a piece of art, you are not being asked a question, to which there are set answers.

You observe the art, and based upon yourself it makes you think or feel something.

>You push the notion that any interpretation at all holds some validity.

Again, I have said that nowhere. In fact, it would be more accurate of my beliefs on the matter to say that I hold that all opinions are equally invalid when created by subjective beings.
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>>112868250
Homura was the only person who remembered Madoka. Was that because Madoka brainwashed everyone but Homura? All Homura did was overwrite Sayaka's old memories with ones of this universe.
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>>112868478
>>112868311

Fuck me I forgot the most important one.

>Homura doesn't give a shit about protecting the world; it was all just a lie she created in the midst of powerless despair. The moment she gets a chance it's all back to MUH MADOKA FUK DA WORLD

And before you fuckers start, the original series had a lot to interpret Homura "moving on" and putting her trust in Madoka. The main one being the fact that she was willing to give Junko back Madoka's hair ribbons, plus the final line of "remembering" at the end of the show.
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>>112868414
>This means the same fucking thing.

No it doesn't. Is this really what you've been hung up on all this time?

What is "correct" or "incorrect" will continue to be correct or incorrect regardless of what you think.

But what YOU find to be believable or not is entirely dependent on what YOU think.
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>>112868483
Such irony
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>>112868535
The universe rewrote everyone but Sayaka and possibly Nagisa.

Sayaka was in the same boat that Homura was in when Madoka rewrote the universe. Only Homura actively wiped Sayaka's memories while Madoka let Homura keep them.
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Reminder that Madoka hates Homura and will murder her for what she's done.
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cakey
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>>112868573
I think it could have been plausible if only her decision didn't seem to be based on a conversation she had thirty minutes ago with someone that wasn't in a fair position to make proper judgments.
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>>112868691
That would imply Madoka is not a huge fucking pussy who doesn't give a shit about justice and would let magical girl Hitler into her afterlife without punishment.
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>>112868674
That still isn't brainwashing. Brainwashing would be turning someone into a different person and depriving them of what they were before. Sayaka is still Sayaka with the memories everyone else shares.
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>>112868487
>But when you are interpreting a piece of art, you are not being asked a question, to which there are set answers.
Madoka poses questions to be answered you fucking moron.
You're not being asked whether you like it or not. That's all your "interpretation" is good for.
>Again, I have said that nowhere.
You have, and I pointed out where. You are just far, far too stupid to see. Just like here.
>>112867353
>I wish I'd have brought how open things are to interpretation sooner.
And you not realizing you have been saying this the whole time.
>>112868579
>What is "correct" or "incorrect" will continue to be correct or incorrect regardless of what you think.
Thank you. Now go hang yourself.
>But what YOU find to be believable or not is entirely dependent on what YOU think.
It is also irrelevant to everything.
"does x in movie y mean z" is not a fucking work of art you stupid shit. It's a question being posed. That means it is not open to endless subjectively.
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>>112868760
Gonna need you to explain. What decision and which conversation with who?
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>>112868766
She despises Homura now and will take pleasure in sending her to suffer forever in hell.
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>>112868837
Did you see me call it brain washing? I said she wiped her memories.
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>>112868893
This started because someone implied what Homura did was brainwashing.
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>>112868851
The part where Homura decides to rewrite reality, after listening to a mindwiped Madoka with no context about how she wouldn't want to leave her normal life behind.
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Daily reminder that the Melon was split and all is the Pumpkin's fault.
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>>112868921
Well that's something they have to deal with, I still have a problem with Homura actively wiping Sayaka memories just because it's more convenient for her that way.
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>>112868972
Would you have had a problem if Madoka did it to Homura? It would have spared her a ton of suffering. It's not ethical, but it's not just for convenience's sake or out of spite. Sayaka is happier because of it, that's what Homura wants. Homura could belittle her however she pleased but chose the way that would hurt Sayaka the least.
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>>112868934
Considering Homura is the one to tell Madoka that's she stronger than she says, I have a hard time believing Homura ever really had faith in Madoka.

Rebellion basically confirms that any suspicion that Homura may have accepted Madoka's wish is a fucking lie. She never accepted Madoka's wish and the moment she had the chance to take away Madoka's responsibility she took it.
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>>112868970
It's kabocha, you incultured swine!
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>>112869182
Homura always had faith in Madoka. It's the result of her being forced to essentially die for her wish she hated and beat herself up over. That's why that's the only thing she changed about it.
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>>112869093
>ethics

I guess that's the problem at the end of the day. The movie ends I suppose perfectly, no consequences, no harm to the universe, everyone is happy but to do that Homura has to make 5/6th of the main cast irrelevant.

If this was Plato's cave allegory then all the girls were outside the cave and enlightened and Homura knocks them out with a rock, drags them back into the cave and when they wake up they can't remember outside and have fun watching shadows on the wall while Homura hangs out with them free to go outside but having no intention to ever tell the other 5 about life outside the cave.
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>>112868850
>Madoka poses questions to be answered you fucking moron.

Son, not every question has a "right" answer. Sometimes you just have to find an answer that's alright with you.

>You have, and I pointed out where. You are just far, far too stupid to see. Just like here.

No, that's just what you THINK I've been saying. Now, unlike art, there IS a right answer to this, and I gave it here: >>112868579

>"does x in movie y mean z" is not a fucking work of art you stupid shit. It's a question being posed. That means it is not open to endless subjectively.

Some people would disagree. As I've said, in literature criticism you can actually disagree with the author on what his book meant. Because it's YOUR opinion. If you're unhappy with that, fine, just don't let emotion stop you from accepting a perfectly valid argument.

So, in conclusion, "does x in movie/book/painting/album y mean z?"

The answer is; maybe.

If you watch the movie, and can find evidence that you feel backs up your argument to a degree that you are convinced then it can be. As far as you are concerned, it means whatever you care to imagine it means. It's based upon your perception of the film within your personal, subjective universe. Others can try to shift your perspective, but ultimately it's up to you whether you are convinced by this alternate viewpoint.

But, at the same time, you must accept that your personal, subjective universe is not the same as the objective universe.

I'm going to sleep now, I'm fairly sure the sun's rising, but I hope I've provided a stimulating experience, and please know I didn't mean to upset you (much).
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>>112869646
Except in Homura's world the cave encompasses everything and the only outside is an apocalyptic event that is worse than what currently stands.

Also, this is a series where girls kill each other, beg their best friends to kill them, and do other horrible shit to survive. Ethics don't mean jack shit, especially when the person doing the unethical thing is the one that bears the consequences while everyone else is better off.
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>>112869681
>Son, not every question has a "right" answer
Yes, it does. As far as question posed by the series.
>No, that's just what you THINK I've been saying
Already explained why that's wrong.
>Some people would disagree
And once a-fucking-gain, just because people disagree does not mean they are right to disagree.
> valid argument
It's not an argument you stupid fuck.
"What I think" != "valid argument"
It's equals what you think, nothing more or less.
>The answer is; maybe
No, the answer is "Yes or no"
>and can find evidence that you feel backs up your argument to a degree that you are convinced then it can be
It's like you forgot my whole fucking Skittles point.
>It's based upon your perception of the film within your personal, subjective universe. Others can try to shift your perspective, but ultimately it's up to you whether you are convinced by this alternate viewpoint.
This is all worthless. It means nothing.

You have to accept there are right and wrong answers.
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>>112870081
>Except in Homura's world the cave encompasses everything

Everything not related to magical girls, though you make a good point. Unfortunately that makes me hate Madoka even more because she's a fucking optimistic cunt. "Magical girls spread hope" give me a fucking break they're just child soldiers.

Fuck her, I hate Madoka. I guess Rebellion is the best ending now. Any sequel with Madoka becoming a goddess again would be a step down from perfection since magical girl life is objectively shit.

Piece of shit cunt, making me feel hope.
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>>112870481
Don't you ever get tired of shitposting, we all know you have shit taste already!
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>>112870651
>shit taste
>HomuxSaya

Please tell me you posted that ironically?
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>>112870651
Fuck off.
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>>112870651
>>>/u/1590530
Is this the part where you pretend you're not blatantly shitposting?
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>>112870481
>>112870651
Ahaa
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>>112870651
I actually like this pairing, so it's pretty depressing whenever people shitpost with it.
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>>112870651
Is there a reason you haven't killed yourself yet?
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>>112870651

>>112868628
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