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>people give CR money
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>>111582586
>people gave UTW money
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>>111582586
Are they different episodes?
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>>111584697
Same episode.
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>>111582586
Mostly normalfags who think giving money to CR supports the industry rather than buying products which actually support the industry in a real way.
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And yet CR's subs are more accurate that most fansubbing groups
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>>111584988
>staying purposely ignorant about copyright law in order to feel less guilty about stealing from japan.
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>>111584988
This

I used to work with a normalfag, and when she found out I pirated instead of paying for CR she became visable upset and accused me of killing the industry
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>>111582586
Their translations are full of mistakes, everybody knows it.
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>>111585045
I buy japanese videogames and figures and sometimes other LE shit. What the fuck are you even posting about faggot?
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I'm a normalfag and I'm pirating everything. Pirating is the way to keep big corporations away from power. They already have too much.
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>>111585111
>buying figures
what a fucking waste of money
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>>111585252
My cock, your ass
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>>111585252
>what a fucking waste of money
Stop being jelly and poor. Go get some expendable income faggot.
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>>111584988
but a significant portion of CR sub fees go to the anime producers
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>>111585341
"significant"
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>>111585341
There are still better ways to support the industry and Cr never released figures for what they give back to the studios. For all we know it could be a buck a CR sub.
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>>111585377
>"significant"
you caught me!
I had this arguement with some friends of mine who were being smug cunts "I don't pirate anymore, I like to support the shows I like."
He left his CR account logged in on my laptop, I went through his history, and I can safely say, that I'm glad he's "supporting" those shows.
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>>111585111
Most of the revenue from figures goes to the manufacturer and not the anime developer
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them, spend your money on whatever you want, but they support the industry about as much as CR
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>>111585096
They make roughly the same number of as the top-tier of fansubbing groups

And they don't take a week to get it done
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>>111585709
I think it is safe to assume buying a figure or two would put more cash in studios pockets than a years worth of CR membership.
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>>111585709
But at least you know how much is going to whom.
Also, figs aren't the only thing. Not him but I've bought figs, imported manga, video games, blu-rays, posters, etc.
There's also no reason to pay for CR, it's sub-par, supporting studios or not, I don't care for sub-par products, especially if it's going to be the only service available. Also, they're shady as fuck about how much tehy actually support anyone.

The Japanese government is starting something where you can watch episodes "for a few hundred yen" each, and honestly fuck that noise. I love anime but I'm not going to get nickle and dimed for my hobby.
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>>111585794
And you think that's somehow acceptable for a professional service?
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>>111585835
>Also, they're shady as fuck about how much tehy actually support anyone.

I still remember when the CEO did a AMA and got blown the fuck out by diaz
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>>111585893
mfw
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>>111585878
Yeah, I do

I don't even use crunchyroll, I don't mind waiting for fansubs. But It's $6 a month for subbing on-par with the best fansubs and they do it in hours, seems fine to me.
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>>111585911
It was hilarious he responded with the "if you know so much why don't you help sub anime" attitude then only half answered 3 or 4 of the 7ish questions he asked.
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>>111585878
I don't, which is why I don't give them my money.

>>111585893
The CEO also said that they make just as much money from a non-subscriber from ad revenue
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>>111585969
>they don't translate op/ed
>don't type set
>surplus of errors in comparison to other groups

No thank you.
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>>111585969
>on-par with free subs
If I'm paying them 600% more than fansubs they shouldn't be "on-par" with people who do it for fun. And I don't know where you're getting this "waiting a week" thing, it's not true at all.
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>ITT: idiots parrot things without having the numbers to anything
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>>111585969
Only reasons I ever use HorribleSubs is if other groups take too long, no other group has that significant of a quality upgrade, and http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-436082/horriblesubs-crunchyroll-ripping/

It's $6.95/month by the way.
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>>111586120
>surplus of errors in comparison to other groups

Check out any fansubbing reviews, like the stuff done by 8thSin

They have a pretty similar number of errors
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Fansubbing is dead anyway, Daiz became a shill and begged CR for a job in that Reddit thread (which he probably got).
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>buying something you could get for free
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>>111585252
At least it goes somewhere.

Giving CR money is tantamount to flushing it down a drain.

>Renting anime and manga
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I'm not giving money to a company that varies so wildly in quality.

Some HS shows are decent but sometimes they're absolute dogshit like Hakiyuu.

And even when CR is "good", they're only decent by fansubbing standards, which is awful considering they're "professionals."
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>>111585969
It's not on-par, it's markedly worse

This is fucking inexcusable. If I'm paying money for a service, this bullshit shouldn't pop up. Their subs should be top of the fucking line if they want me to pay money for them, instead of this bullshit.
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>>111585969
I bet you think eating at McDonalds is acceptable.
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Why am I supposed to support the industry? The money goes to the production committee. Am I supposed to give a shit about advertising executives and mobsters? The creative types who I'd like to support make peanuts and are worked to death. Fuck the industry
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I will Post This in Every CR thread
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>>111589627
The best part is there are shill translators who genuinely believe that CR translators are top of the line and can compete with real professional translators.

If that were the fucking case, they could just teach English in Asia and be set for life. A fucking English teacher in a top tier high school in Beijing makes more than Obama and gets his own personal chauffeur and big ass house free. Even if you don't aim that high surely there's plenty of jobs available that pay more than CR at least three fold.
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This is what you're getting with unfiltered CR releases.
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>>111589847
It's because CR subbers are a bunch of NEETs working for peanuts.
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>>111589891
Rurumo is way worse.
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>>111586248
Reading through this is hilarious
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>>111585893
I actually feel kind of bad for that, considering I'm getting a job there and all.
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>>111589891
I take that's with madvr?

>>111589774
5. is a problem that's actually getting rampant. If I watch subs (CR/Funi/etc.), it's only because they are faster than good quality raws. Especially CR's performance has been disastrous lately considering they are working from script.
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>>111586306
>8thSin
RIP
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>>111590073
>BCTUk
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>>111590077
How is madVR relevant?
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>>111590073
>I actually feel kind of bad
Yeah, right.
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>>111590077
>Streaming site
>madVR
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>>111590204
MadVR has a great debanding algorithm that actually is noticeable.
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>>111585412
>a buck a CR sub
You mean a buck per show licensed.
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>>111590073
Daiz don't be a lying faggot.
Why are you working there? Were you just a real NEET addicted to interlacing porn?
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>>111590261
>A buck per show licensed per ENTIRE watched episode
Le funding the industry face
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>>111590073
>I'm getting a job there and all
Oh boy, the drama's going to be glorious. Please don't disappoint us.
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>>111590057
It's giving me brain cancer.
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>>111590373
>>111590286
Not his trip
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>>111590373
>>111590286
That's not Daiz
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>>111590073
Why?

What are you gonna be doing there?

What will this mean for your fansubs?

Please excuse me if you've answered these before -- I've been away for a while. I couldn't find anything on it, though.
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>>111590444
read the thread newfag
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>>111590430
>>111590441
I just realized.
I need to make more of a habit of reading the trip twice.
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>>111590373
>>111590286
>Being retarded
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>>111590430
Damn, you're right. I was careless and only give a quick glance.

Now I'm disappointed
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>>111590444
ah shit, it's not daiz.
Never mind, you lying faggot.
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>>111590256
My toaster melts whenever I run MadVR, and I'm too stupid to into de-interlacing algorithms with Jinx and 3 taps vs 4, so I just switched back to vanilla CCCP
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>>111590252
>Horriblesubs
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>>111590463
So I was careless and didn't pay attention. Like you never made any mistakes ever.It's human error, big deal.
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Wouldn't everyone benefit if HS didn't exist?
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>>111590521
/a/nons are faultless
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>>111590550
No? Several shows would have no release then.
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>>111590577
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>>111590502
>This is what you're getting with unfiltered CR releases.
>unfiltered
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>>111590577
Well it certainly was a nice touch. You should have used this trip when the real daiz is actually posting. Much more effective that way since people will be even less likely to check every post's trip specifically.
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>>111589774
Did they ever answer any of those questions?
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>>111590720
Of course not.
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>>111590575
Why? If a show needs to be subbed some group would come around to it.
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>>111585341
>producer
No, they go to the publisher. None of the money goes to the animators directly whatsoever.
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>>111590741
Really? What about all the times that has never happened?

You severely overestimate fansubbers
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Why do we need to have this thread everyday?
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>>111590822
Every day until futsuu starts translating Haikyuu again, presumably.
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>>111590741
Now that gg is dead I don't see any of the big established groups going back for missed shows
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>>111590741
>TesaBu
>Mountain Lesbians
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>>111585215
no it isn`t.
>>111585341
when significant isnt fractional, less than 50 average bd sales, you can say this.
>>111585709
this is nearly true, its slightly better than cr.
>>111585794
1. no, they make a lot more
2. you had no idea what youre talking about
>>111589847
your ideas are a little off about english teaching.
to support the industry, buy the official media, such as discs manga drama cds singles osts etc.
its not hard to figure out.
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>>111585051
These people are the worst, they think they're saving anime and treat you like a criminal. They forget than anime are a thing in europe/america because of fansubbing and piracy.
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>>111589774
>5.
True justice Diaz. Tell them shit like that shouldn't happen.
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>>111589774
why is Daiz everywhere?
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>>111591027
Because we have already sold our souls to him
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>>111591027
He is where it matters.
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>>111590981
They didn't "forget", they're stupid casuals who don't know anything at all about the or what CR originally was
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>>111585341
No they don't you idiot, they go to the TV channels, the actual studios never see a cent.
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>>111590656
Thanks. I've been trying to brute force his trip for around about 2 days or so. I'm determined to do get it.
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>>111585969
>$6 a month

CR might do a bad job but at least they are not stealing your money.

In France we have wakanim, it's 2 euro per episode ! 2 EURO !!! And of course they don't translate OP/ED and made a lot of mistake like CR. Seriously fuck them.
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>>111585969
Why wait 30 minutes for HS when you can pay 6$ for a stream, genius.
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>>111591229
Because time is free and doesn't support cancer.

Plus, you can't pause a stream and shitpost on /a/.
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>>111583052
So what? 50$ is a small sum. Considering how satisfied I was with their release of Rebellion, I should have given even more but ohh well.
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>>111591259
I was being sarcastic.

>>111591286
With that money you can almost buy the actual BD which already has subs.
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>>111589774
This is why I like Daiz.
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>>111590720
>>111590739

They did, the responses just got "downvoted to oblivion".

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/cj12bdq?context=3

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/cj138o9?context=3

Re. the second link, they're supposed to answer 3, 4, 5 respectively but reddit's shitty markup messed it up.

If anyone's interested I'll match up the non-answers to the questions in Paint or something.
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>>111586242
This
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>>111591518
>With that money you can almost buy the actual BD which already has subs.
I did both, I simply prefer UTW over BD. Either way, I want to support the few sub groups I like because I believe that there I can actually make a small difference while I bought the BD more for collecting purposes.
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>>111591598
Their responses didn't actually 'answer' anything concrete though.
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>>111591624
If you want to support the industry, buy blu-rays. Your 7 bucks does fucking nothing
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>>111591772
The 7 doesn't "do nothing"; it's just not the most efficient/smart use of the 7 bucks.
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>>111591772

It's rather clear that a fraction of $7 is more than nothing. If people think they are supporting the industry by paying for CR, why interfere with their process? What's it to a pirate? Yes, buying BD will support the industry significant'y more, but why complain with what people are doing with their money
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>>111591843
Even handing 7 dollars to the animators would do nothing
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>>111590987
IT'S THE PIRATES FAULT.
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>>111591598
>1: Lel y don't u just do it :)
>2: no we won't fix our shit, we want to pump out more shit for fresh cash
>3: We don’t always translate the shows on our site; sometimes we steal from fansubs and they just never release a v2 or v3
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>>111591904
Not the guy you're responding to, but I just personally loathe CR. The history of the company and the people involved is enough reason to avoid giving them money.
Also, the fact that fansubs produce higher quality work for free is embarassing to the ostensible "professionals".
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>>111591904
Because it runs the risk of western fans thinking CR is the best way to support and that is bad since it disregards more efficient ways to actually help. Less money that could have gone back to Japan where the actual production and financing decisions are made etc, that sort of thing.
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>>111591953
BAA
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>>111591843
It does do nothing, the money goes to the TV channels, do you think they'd ask studios to make more stuff because they are getting 70k tops per month from a random website in the west? Of course not, they never did that to begin with and you giving them that little of your money won't change shit
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>>111592000
Like, what the fuck, is he serious?
"Lol you come do better" was he part of Hadena?
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>>111592047

Not every fan can afford to constantly by BD for each show they view in order to have superior support. CR provides a relatively cheaper outlet to support the industry, even if it is at a fraction of the cost.
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>>111592413
All I want is for CR subscribers to get off their fucking high horse. I don't care what you do, but don't pretend that you're some pariah of generosity because you're dropping less than 10 bucks. Your contribution is so fucking miniscule it's not even funny, so don't pretend that your contribution is any higher than that of someone who pirates everything.
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>>111592413
It doesn't support the industry, though. Crunchyroll only pays a flat licensing fee back to Japan. Your individual payment only goes into the pockets of the CR CEO.
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>>111592641
>don't pretend that your contribution is any higher than that of someone who pirates everything.
They are not pretending. Someone who gives the anime industry a single cent de facto contributes more to it than a pirate.

I completely agree with the miniscule part. If you haven't spent at least fifty thousand yen, your contribution is pretty much negligible. That doesn't mean that you should not spend any money at all, even small contributions add up and a million people paying only 10$ each still means 10 million $.
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>>111592784
CR isn't the anime industry though, nerd.
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>>111592784
I pirate all my anime and I support the industry way more than the average CR user. I buy lots of anime related merchandise.
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>>111592641

This argument of 'don't support because it's hardly anything' is analogous with the argument of only voting for Republican or Democrat or not at all because otherwise your vote will amount to nothing. Some is more than none, indubitably. Any argument otherwise is lack of basic intelligence.

>>111592875

You're implying that the average CR user doesn't buy anime merchandise, something I'm sure you're claiming to justify your actions.
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>>111592413
See >>111592875
Buying merchandise does support the industry a lot more, but not all fans can afford it
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>>111593031
>implying the average CR user buys merchandise
>average CR user
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>>111593067
My bad, >>111592875 see >>111592413
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>>111592872
Thank you captain obvious.
>>111592875
Obviously by pirate I meant someone who does not spend any money at all on it. Otherwise what I said would be wrong.
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>>111593031

>You're implying that the average CR user doesn't buy anime merchandise

And you're saying they do?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funi DBZ DVDs don't count nerd. 90% of CR sub base is fucking retard normie weebs that think a Kyoani is some sort of bread roll they buy in Japantown.
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>>111593245

I'm not claiming I even know who the average CR user is. I'm simply suggesting the anon replied to doesn't know either.

I will say on a personal account I know at least one person who pays for CR and still buys merch. Of the few people I'm aware of who do pay for CR, I've never asked them if they buy merch because I don't care that much to ask.
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>>111593425

A logical conclusion to reach is that the more intelligent someone is, the greater likelihood that they will realize that CR is shit and decide to support the industry in another way.
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Why is the Haikyuu translation so bad when all the other shows aren't at that level of terribleness? I just want to watch cute boys play volleyball and be moe.
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>>111593616

Then download Commie.

>b-but /a/ told me to always post ">commie" whenever someone mentions commie! they're bad because /a/ told me so, it's true, I swear!
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>>111593692
Commie is like 8 episodes behind you mongoloid.
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>>111593794

Whoops. Sorry, didn't know. I put it on hold to marathon at the end, I did the same with Space Dandy and Commie has yet to release episode 13 four months later. I'm still waiting, I should have gone with HS months ago but I'm too stubborn. And herkz told me they would be releasing it soon. Yeah right. Goddammit.
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>>111593859
Commie is dead.
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>>111593031
>>111592784
You don't get it, you could be paying $100 a month and there could be 10,000 of you, it doesn't matter, the studios already got paid and all that money is going to the TV channels who have a partnership with CR, they don't about what you like, nothing, nothing is going to change because you gave CR a million dollars, aside from the boss getting a nice vacation.
If you want to support the industry take the money you spend on CR and buy a BD a year or buy a fucking doll.
Jesus christ this "CR helps anime" mentality is disgusting.
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>>111585028
They literally get given the episode and the script days before it airs and there are still mistakes often.
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>CR shills on /a/
>You're supporting the industry, really!
Buy a fucking ad you pieces of shit, there's a reason that moot has made it so easy to do so.
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>Having flash installed
>Actively harming the industry by supporting CR
>Not getting accurate subtitles because of over-localization and flat out mistranslations
Why do people like this even post on /a/? Using CR at all should be a banable offense.
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i really hate these threads

you should all consider sudoku
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>>111594772
>i really hate these threads
>you should all consider sudoku
Look upon this creature and weep, for the CR Shill cannot even utilize capitalization and punctuation.
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>>111594772
Don't you mean seppuku, nerd?
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>>111594833
ahahaha my sides. "shill" ahahaha ebin

Kill yourself, faggot.
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>>111594958
>Shitposting this hard
That's nice damage control, but no one is going to buy from you because of /b/ tier retorts.
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>>111594772
>>111594833
>>111594958
>>111595023

That was mean, I aplogize. I just don't like seeing CR threads full of the same old shit first thing in the morning. Especcially since last time I saw it, it was on the last pages with only one reply. I do hope you're just shitposting though, because your replies are fucking retarded.
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Maybe you could start out by giving us a history of Crunchyroll.

Crunchyroll started in the middle of 2006. Three other founders and I were friends. We met at UC Berkeley. We’re all electronic engineering and computer science majors. Back then anime was really picking up everywhere--in the dorms, on campus, people were watching it. We got really into animation.
After we left college in 2004 we all went our separate ways, some of us going to grad school, others working in industry, mostly on consumer facing Websites. Eventually we all met back again and we decided to work on anime as a nights and weekends passion project. We still had work during the day and we were sinking quite a bit of our own money in and maxing out credit cards because the bandwidth bill was so high. It eventually got to a point around the middle of 2007 when all we could do was keep the site up. There were so many things to do.
We voluntarily quit our jobs. It was really a very scary moment because we didn’t know how things were going to turn out, but we had a lot of faith that because we were servicing a lot of passionate fans and were building a site that fans can enjoy, it would turn out for the best.
After that we started talking to venture capitalists. They became very interested because there were so many passionate fans on the site--they were not just into watching content, but also community and the full social networking experience. We received funding from Venrock (that’s the venture arm of the Rockefeller family), in December of 2007. From then on we’ve been very aggressively licensing content, and taking down unlicensed content.
We’ve set up an office in Japan. We actually have a subsidiary now in Japan talking to all the license holders and licensing all the content that we can get our hands on. That’s pretty much where we are now.
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>>111595643

You mentioned Venrock, and a month or two ago we did a story about Gonzo also being an investor. Are those the only two investors?

Venrock is the only institutional investor. We have a number of other strategic investors including Gonzo.
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>>111595677

What was the original monetization strategy?

I don’t think it’s changed. There haven’t been too many external factors that affected our business plan. What we’ve always looked for are ways to monetize online digitally. Once we monetize we look to revenue share with licensors. That way they can tap into this audience that they’ve never been able to monetize before. The three ways we’re doing that now are:

With ad supported free streaming. That way people can watch content for free but we can serve an ad and we revenue share that with the publishers.
The subscription plan which we’re launching January 8. This includes the hit shows that we’ve licensed such as Naruto Shippuden, Gintama, Skip Beat, Shugo Chara. People can, if they pay a few dollars a month they can watch one hour after it airs in Japan. It’s never been done before. It’s a very exciting time.
We also offer other options such as DTO and also we’re starting to explore virtual merchandising.

We offer a lot of different options for publishers to monetize their content.
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Seems paying Crunchyroll does support the industry.
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>>111595643
>>111595677
>>111595710
Why are you posting this? The shit thread was about to die.
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>>111595744
Where the fuck are you getting that from? Other than CR shills saying you support it buy giving them more money there is nothing that says that anywhere. Even the Japanese artists who posted on /a/ have said they only use it to gauge numbers.
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>>111594872
Fucking commit mahjong

So many people pay for CR because normalfag nests like leddit ban people for talking about fansubs
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>>111595749
People claiming CR does nothing for the industry are dead wrong. It's how the industry is setup with merchandising, streaming, broadcasting and distribution rights. CR is just a piece of the total pie. You want to help the industry, piracy doesn't no matter what you want to believe. Simple as that.

Now fuck off /a/ and stop killing my animoo!
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>>111596018
>Implying the western market effects what the Japs do in the least

Please, keep telling yourself that you make a difference
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>>111595829
Just how media is licensed around the world not just Japan.
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>>111596018
CR is not a piece of the total pie at all, if you aren't importing you are actively hurting the industry no matter which middleman you give your money to to make yourself feel better. CR pays a flat rate and nothing more so do pirates, you see at least one pirate pays for BDs. The only difference is how much the flat rate is and whether you are giving your money to a middleman or to someone who actually reviews the subs before sending them out. If you want to support the industry import, otherwise stop whining about pirates since buying from CR is no better.
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>>111595937
>ban people for talking about fansubs
They really do that ?
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>>111596175
Yes, they really do that, it's stated like, seven times in their rules that you can't even fucking mention torrenting
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>>111596084
It's not what affects Japanese animation, it's about how the animation industry get's paid.

CR pays for the rights or shares it's revenue depending how they've licensed it. In what way does paying the industry not help the industry?
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>>111596175
It's illegal woooooo piracy kills children in Japan everyday, way to go, Hitler.
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>>111596271
Because the Japanese otaku are the only thing the industry cares about, everything else is just an after thought
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>>111596271
Because TV channels, who are who CR pays, aren't part of the industry in a major way since they do a one time deal and that's it and that value doesn't change because a million people use CR.
CR pays the TV channel X and after that point it's profit for CR.
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>>111596175
Reddit, like CR, is a traded company now anon, that means everything has to be above board since their stockholders would be mad if they hosted copyrighted content or talked about ways to subvert laws like DRM cracking.

>>111596271
They don't share the revenue, they drop series that actually demand to do that. Why do you think they don't have YnS this season? They pay one flat rate, if a hundred BDs got imported you would already outclass that single sum for almost all anime. The only one you're supporting by paying CR is CR's executives and investors, if you want to support the industry you have to import, otherwise you're no better than the pirates you love to complain about.
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>>111596157
Yes but when you import you just paid the publisher and not the studios. It amounts to the same thing though in a different way.
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>>111596396
The publishers have a direct deal with the studio, X goes to one side Y to the other, not thr case with CR.
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>>111596396
Publisher is actually obliged to pay a percentage of revenue to the studio for domestic sales, the flat rate they get from CR does not have to be distributed so evenly, not to mention that they get a percentage from the BD sales as opposed to a one time sum of money.
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>>111596376
But they are because the studios get paid by distributing rights to their products. The producers pay for these and make money in turn. The more money the producer can make the more money flows to the studios.
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>>111595829
Hey you know even a miniscule contribution is still a contribution, which is more than worthless fucking pirates bring to the table. And the fact of the matter is that a contribution is being made (in the form of licensing fees) it might not make you happy that more of your seven bucks isn't being funneled directly to the artists but that's just the realities of any industry where you get content from a third (or fourth or fifth...) party vendor. CR wouldn't pay licensing fees if they didn't turn a profit off their subscribing members.

Thus subbing > CR renews contracts > industry is supported to some degree
compare:
piracy > you're a worthless waste of oxygen even if you do buy figs to jerk off on (lol gj supporting fig manufatures)
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>>111596233
>>111596381
>>111596283
Oh wow, I never browse reddit because I find the upvote thing retarded but I can see why /a/ hate it so much now.
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ITT people who bitch at others to "support the industry" while pirating all their anime and never buying anything
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>>111596673
>never buying anything
Cool assumption, shill.
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>>111596381
CR's existence still assists in providing revenue to the industry. Since the industry has negotiated some deal with CR it must be beneficial to them.

Just because you don't think it's fair doesn't mean it's not fair.

If CR was blatantly stealing, as a company worth in excess of 100 million they would be an easy target for lawsuits from copyright infringement.
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>>111596531
>>111596601
No matter what industry you apply that to it's still a fallacy. Music, games, anime, TV, the entire concept that "if the person who bought the rights makes it popular they'll buy more of the same and support the artist" has and always will be untrue.

No amount of money going to CR will support the industry in even the smallest amount in turn, if you are not buying from a first party publisher you are harming the industry, no matter what. If you don't import and buy figs you are only paying money to make yourself feel good and none of it is going to make one iota of difference to the studio in Japan. A pirate who buys one BD does more for the industry than a hundred million CR subscribers ever could, since the pirate actually sent back $30 of the $300 BD to the studio where the CR subscribers sent back $0 of their subscription.
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Whoever makes the AOTY will receive fifteen American dollars from me sent through the mail.
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>>111596731
Unless you are importing BDs at 90~ American dollars per 2 episodes whatever it is you are buying is nearly worthless insofar as supporting the industry with margins that are the same as or at best *marginally* better then the ones 'the artist' will get for a CR sub.
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>>111596762

It's not, the only reason they sell to CR is because otherwise it's a lost sale most of the time. If they actually got 1% of domestic sales in imports they would stop altogether selling to CR since it would be infinitely beneficial to them.
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>>111596786
>sent back 0$ of their subscription
Patently untrue, how can you expect anyone to debate with you when you throw out blatant falsehoods like that? If the Japanese animation industry got literally 0 dollars from CR, CR wouldn't exist because of all the lawsuits
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>>111596871
>Unless you are importing BDs at 90~ American dollars per 2 episodes
I do that if I really love the show.
And being able to act smug towards CRfags is a really nice bonus.
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>>111597010

If CR did not support the industry, why would the industry still give business to CR?
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>>111597010
CR pays a flat rate, none of your subscription goes to the industry. You're misreading my argument, if you support CR you are only supporting CR beyond the one miniscule flat rate they pay, $0 of your subscription goes back, no percent, beyond the flat rate they get nothing. It doesn't matter if one person, or if 6 trillion people subscribe to CR the same low rate goes back to the studio, if you don't import you are only supporting CR and no amount of the fallacy that "it will make them buy more like what I like" will change that.
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>>111596786
But he didn't, the pirate who bought the BD paid the publisher who owns the rights to distribute the BDs. Just like the music industry.

If the deal to stream is far worse than purchasing BDs, then the industry needs to ask itself the question of whether it's business practices are sound.

In the end, stealing is stealing and a subscriber on CR is paying for everything it watches, not just when it feels like it.

But go ahead and continue to delude yourself into thinking you are doing more harm than good.
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So the ideal situation for the studios is that CR gets the minimal amount of subscribers to afford the licences, while maximum amount of people buy blu-rays/merchandise?
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>>111596662

Reddit is useful as a link aggregator for certain materials. It's also very good for Q&A sessions because the most relevant questions are usually near the top. It's also sometimes good as a source of information. For example, /r/buildapc is a much better place to check out when first building a computer than posting "build me a computer pls gentoomen" on /g/. Same deal with some other subreddits as well. Although /r/LearnJapanese is shit compared to DJT, so that most certainly does not always hold true.

But the problem is when people go beyond using it for these purposes, and start using it as a community. You cannot have a decent community with upvotes and threaded comments that work like reddit's does. At least with a regular forum replies are sorted by time, regardless of whether there's a like button or not. It simply isn't possible to have any sense of culture when the format of your site actively prohibits discussion.
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>>111597137
Because they don't care shit other than domestic sales.

Seriously, if you want to support the industry then use your money to import BDs and/or merchandises.
Giving your money through CR will only benefit CR.
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>>111597244
You entirely glossed over how they are only letting CR distribute because otherwise it's an entirely lost market. The BDs have to pay a percent back to the studio, CR does not, the only one deluding themselves here is you because you somehow believe that money you give to CR has any effect on the industry compared to a single BD purchase.
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>>111597244

>In the end, stealing is stealing

Piracy is piracy, and it's justified when it's a superior product. No self-respecting person would pay for something that is inferior to a free alternative. Get out moralfag, we don't need CR shills shitting up the board.
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>>111597250
The ideal situation is CR doesn't exist and normies buys BDs directly.
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>>111597164
What happened to your "a little is better than nothing" argument huh? Abandoning it when it is convienent for you?
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>>111597405
Too bad the fucking normies are too autistic to realize the "legit" subs don't matter for shit
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>>111597418
This is an anonymous board anon.
You might be arguing with a lot more posters than you think.
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>>111597244
>pirates buying BD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA
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>>111597326
You fail to understand how licensing works.

Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care. Theft is theft, no matter how you want to justify it.
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>>111597475
Everyone knows there is only me and that one guy who disagrees with me
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>>111597478
>what is a pirate
I bet you think you are a pirate because you torrent musics and movies.
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>>111597496
>piracy is theft
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>>111597496
>Theft is theft, no matter how you want to justify it.

2003 called, they want their argument back.
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>>111597418
A little is better than nothing, and a lot is better than a little. If you import you are giving back a lot, if you don't you are giving back virtually nothing or nothing. Buying from CR is never justified, if you buy from them you are worse than anyone who imports. It's stealing compared to actually buying a BD, and after all, stealing is stealing.
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>>111596601

While piracy doesn't directly support the industry, it's essentially free advertisement towards people who aren't willing to pay for the content in any scenario. Part of this group does end up supporting the industry by buying merchandise.
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>>111597496

Supporting CR causes CR to continue to exist, which is a cancer upon western anime culture. Pirates do more for anime than CR subscribers even if they never buy a single BD.
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>>111597405
Yes because if CR disappeared people would just stop watching airing anime and wait a year to buy BD for $200 each.

Or they would pirate for free.
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>>111597379
It's not justified. It's only justified in your head because you don't want to pay and actually support the industry. What a fucktard who defends the industry while undermining it at the same time.
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>>111597496
>Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care
I have a full set of all 3 season of shana.
Don't assume everyone just watch and forgets like you.
Some people here are willing to throw money at something they truly care.
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>>111597496
>Stop pirating
Why? It's not like I would want to buy it twice, and the pirate product has subs unlike the import.
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>>111597496
Yes, because paying 10 cents per episodes when it actually costs $30 is much better.

>BUT I'M SUPPORTING THE INDUSTRY AND YOU'RE NOT HURRRR

Fuck off.

It has been stated multiple times already, the people who made the show aren't seeing a cent of what you're paying if you want to support them fucking take your money and buy a BD at the end of the year for your favorite show and pirate everything else, CR doesn't pay the producers, they pay who ever owns the rights, which where already bought way before CR even knew what was happening, CR has no influence over the anime industry. Get that through your fucking empty skull.
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The worst part about CR is the video quality.

Absolutely inexcusable.
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>>111597592
Those pirates downloading fansubs that are probably ripped from CR or another subber that does?
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>>111597405
CR should exist, ideally Japanese animation would have streaming, broadcast and distribution rights in all countries. Globalization would be far better for the industry as a whole.
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>>111597496
>Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care.
Scenario 1:
Pirate -> Find things I like -> Import them from Japan

Scenario 2:
Don't pirate -> Don't know if I'll like anything -> Buy nothing
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>>111597693

Yes, because they aren't supporting CR by doing so, so they're doing a favor to the industry. I don't know how streamfags like you ever thought you had a right to be on /a/.
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>>111597693
You know, fansubs were a thing before CR happened, if you are able to get a free script and then you're able to fix it up a bit later why should you bother doing an original translation? Fansubbers couldn't care less if CR died.
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>>111597709
Because no one ever bought anything before pirating existed. The entire international economy suddenly sprang into existence as soon as pirating started
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>>111585969
>on par with the best fansubs
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>>111597704
Getting anime on actual TV channels over CR would be much better, that, that would help the industry.
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>>111597778

Yeah, with anime. VHS fansubs and shit. Why don't you just get out, CR shill?
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>>111597704
Ideally there wouldn't be streaming at all for anything and Adobe products would stop existing altogether. Ideally you could buy a DRM free download from the Japanese producer and put a groups fansubs on it.

>>111597778
You do know that the first global economy was based on piracy right? Buying goods from the east and replicating them created demand for the real goods from the east.
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>>111597745
I dont stream anything or pay CR but whatever helps you sleep at night cocksucker>>111597475
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>>111597562
Yes while making a copy of something is indeed the modern definition of piracy in this case, it's still stealing because the people who created the work are not being compensated. In the end the effect is you stole money from them by making a copy of their work and not paying them for it.

I know you understand the concept whether you chose to accept it or not.
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>>111597778
That's actually true for a lot of things, yes.
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>>111597826
>with no subs
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>>111597866

>you stole money from them

You're literally lying.
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>>111597866
>it's still stealing because the people who created the work are not being compensated
This argument again.
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>>111597890
>with no subs
What? Are you saying actual TV channels would just broadcast anime without subs? If anything the Japanese themselves could make subs, I don't see your point.
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>>111597866
>implying everyone who pirates would have paid for the product if piracy did not exist

2004 called, they want their argument back.
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>>111597866
>You stole money from them
>They still have the item
>They can still use the item
>They can still sell the item
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>>111597866
Literally pantsu on head retarded.
You're not "stealing", if you listen to a song in the street that you didn't buy you aren't stealing it, no one lost money because of that, you'd not buy a BD of a show if you never saw, you just wouldn't, if anything it's actually good to pirate because if you like a show you can actually buy it and not want to kill yourself afterwards.
And in the case with CR you're actually not paying the producers anything since they were already paid so you're also stealing, there.
Why are you even on here anyway?
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>>111597572
You only 'give' to the publisher who owns the rights for the BD distribution and steal everything else.

That sounds totally fair, if it were you and you put a couple hundred grand into an animation which 99% of the world downloaded and watched for free you'd like it right?
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>>111586162
In fact, it's A LOT more than 600%. It's infinite % more.
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Why do we still have people on /a/ who defend CR in any way in 2014? We have had this same thread over and over and over again. There's no point. CR shills and moralfags do not comprehend logic.
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>>111597919
In other words a Jap version of CR? Oh the irony
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>>111597661
Right and the other 100 titles you didn't pay for say thanks.

You guys are really fucked up to think you help at all.
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>>111598021
I guess it's 10 cent for how much it costs you to download the show, math checks out, if you live in freedom.
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>>111597919
Because the anime companies totally make subs
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>>111597679
Yes CR pays whomever owns the rights. Just like the BD sales, TV broadcast or movie rights holders.

You pay the rights holders who paid the studios.
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>>111598066

>Right and the other 100 titles you didn't pay for say thanks.

How the fuck is this fucking relevant? One BD box supports the industry more than a lifetime CR subscription.

Why do you people even come to /a/? Why do you think your idiotic morals will be accepted here?
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>>111598066
Yes, you gave $1 to each producer of every show you watched and in the end it's not even close to those 3 BDs.
Good on you dude, good on you.
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>>111598091
It doesn't cost that.
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>>111597598
What happens when CR disappears:
1. Fansubbing won't die.
2. Less normies watches anime -> less newfriends on /a/
3. People who actually want to support the industry actually buy the BDs rather than feeling satisfied from 'subscribing'
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Where does the money come from that CR pays to the studios?

Also, is there a reputable source that details CR's business model and how the studious are paidor am I left to trust the claims of the anons on this board?
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>>111597709
Scenario 3:
CR Subscription -> Find things I like -> Buy the BDs from Japan

Now the industry wins, and those you like win twice.
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>>111598122
>Just like the BD sales
No you idiot, BD sales affect the studio directly. Jesus fucking christ.
The studio sells the show/buys airtime from the TV channel, that TV channel then talks to CR and gets money from CR so CR can stream it, the money from CR goes all to the channel because the channel already paid/got paid for the show, CR ALWAYS comes after and never even comes in consideration in the math about how much the show costs, so yeah, irrelevant.
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>People actually feeling morally superior for pirating
Can't you retards just admit that you're thieves who want stuff for free?
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>>111598192
In the recent AMA it is stated that CR pays a fraction to its 'content partner' whoever that is.
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>>111597709
ahahahahah
How about something a little more realistic anon?
>Scenario 1: Pirate -> Find things I like -> Enjoy them, then forget about them as I move on to the next thing
>Scenario 2: Don't pirate (also don't watch advertisements or consumer reviews) -> Don't know if I'll like anything -> Buy nothing

You seriously think anyone on /a/ has payed for even 1% of the anime they've watched (since a CR sub isn't paying, only buying BDs for 90 bucks plus shipping is)? How many shows come out per season? Like 10-20? 80 shows a year, lowballing it - and this is /a/ where all the autists pride themselves on their encyclopedic knowledge of every show that gets released. Their ability to recognize any show that aired in recent memory based on a single screenshot of any distinctive character, background, or art style. You think those people are shelling out thousands of dollars a month to keep up with 'board culture'? Because I sure as fuck don't.

So pay, or don't but don't act righteous because that one time you really liked a show so you shelled out for it so you could have one or two physical copies alongside the terabytes of pirated anime on your drives.
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>>111598239
That's true, I want free stuff, do I feel superior for it? No. Is it a fact that piracy helps in one way or another? Yes.
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>>111598192
CR is hush hush about their business from what I remember, and I think they've been called out on it before
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>>111597897
Net effect is the same hence why the world over there has been a big push to stop people from sharing digital copies of media.
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>>111598239
I torrent my anime, wont deny it but at the same time i could just as easily wait 1 day and watvh it on hulu.
If i could afford to buy it, i would.
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>>111598239
>Can't you retards just admit that you're thieves who want stuff for free?
I will pay for something that I like, that is by buying the BDs.

And yes, paying subscription to CR will only fattens CR's wallet and their 'content partners'.
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>>111598274
That's nice and all but it doesn't make what he said wrong, people actually import stuff from Japan, shocker, I know, you don't do it, I don't either, but there are people who do and guess what they probably pirated it.
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>>111598274

>but don't act righteous because that one time you really liked a show so you shelled out for it

But they have already done more than a CR normalshit every would just through that.
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>>111597920
Nope, but in a perfect world for the rights holders you would have paid or they'd be compensated in some form.

Like a subscription to CR for instance...
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>>111598259
>CR shills
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>>111598285

I find that hard to believe since there are those here stating who's getting paid and how much.
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>>111598192
>>111598249
>'content partner'
Aka not the studios.
But CR will tell you otherwise because that makes people feel better.
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>>111597942
But they didn't make anything from piracy and widespread distribution illegally of their works. And why by the BD when I can just download it for free and have in a few hours?

How does that help the industry? Your arguments are completely baseless or without merit.
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>>111598527
>But they didn't make anything from piracy and widespread distribution illegally of their works.
Advertisement.
Even if one person buy a single BD thanks to piracy that's already helping.
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>>111598527

>But they didn't make anything from piracy and widespread distribution illegally of their works.

And Trader Joe's didn't make anything from that cheese I didn't buy yesterday. By your logic, because I didn't buy it, I stole it.

>moralfags
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>>111598274
>What are buyfag threads?

>Because I sure as fuck don't.
Then why are you yelling at me?
I for one am buying the things I like at least once a year. And that's way more than a yearly subscription at CR.

> and this is /a/ where all the autists pride themselves on their encyclopedic knowledge of every show that gets released. Their ability to recognize any show that aired in recent memory based on a single screenshot of any distinctive character, background, or art style
Oh you're a cross-boarder. Please don't imply that you are a part of /a/.
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>>111598012
The 'song you heard on the street' was paid for by radio rights or from a person (supposedly) that paid for the media.

You also don't have a copy of the song you heard on the street.

In the case with CR, they PAY the producers either through ad revenue or through a percentage of the subscription fees generated from those who watch the media in question.

Hence making a digital copy is in fact stealing as no one was paid for it. Even broadcast rights are paid by region so unless you live in Japan in the area where the media was licensed for distribution you are in fact stealing from the animation producers in question.

You don't have to believe what I'm writing but you know it's true.
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>>111598209
>CR Subscription -> Find things I like -> Buy the BDs from Japan
>no yama no susume 2

NOPE
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>>111598755
>In the case with CR, they PAY the producers either through ad revenue or through a percentage of the subscription fees generated from those who watch the media in question.
>producers
Citation needed.
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>>111598755

>Hence making a digital copy is in fact stealing

No, in fact, it is not. You're making up definitions to justify your idiotic morals.
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>>111598209
Why would I gave my money to CR when I can get for free and with a significantly better quality?
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>>111598027
I think you just want to justify piracy for whatever purpose I'm not sure.

Basically your argument is piracy is ok. If I buy a BD now and then I'm supporting the industry. The truth is you're part of the cancer and you'll say whatever to troll or lie to yourself.
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>>111598209
>already paying for subscription
>pay for BDs
Don't fool yourself Anon, CR is filled with people who think they already do enough by subscribing, that's why they do it, otherwise they'd go to other free website to stream their shit, I'll give you that maybe a few people do but that number is much much smaller than the number of people who pirate and buy thngs.
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>>111598916
>I think you just want to justify piracy for whatever purpose I'm not sure.
Great assumption there new friend.
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>>111598372
So he's too good to be the target of advertising campaigns or to look up user reviews, for someone on his level the fairest way is to steal the entire work and after consuming it decide if maybe it's worthy of his money?

What he said is wrong because there are already mechanisms in place that fill the role he claims piracy fills and, surprise, they don't involve taking whatever you want and after taking it deciding if you want to pay for it.
>>111598395
I do both, I have like 5tb of external harddrives a CR sub, and maybe a dozen imported BDs, because eleven sense of an appropriate price is offensive to my American sensiblities. My point being that CR sub doesn't hurt the industry if you live in the real world and face the realities of economics, and if you really feel like going above and beyond you can import BDs but everyone here steals so much and so often they have no authority on what is 'good' for the industry.
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>>111598627
Except it didn't because if everyone had a CR subscription the studios would make more money. Plus that 1 person buying a BD.
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>>111598858
>they PAY the producers either through ad revenue
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>>111598653
But you didn't get the cheese did you.

Stop being stupid.
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>>111598527
Think of it like this.
I downloaded Symphogear for free.
Then I like it, and decide to buy the manga and some CDs (not even talking about the BD+DVD which some anons buy).
They get money.

Compare to:
I don't download Symphogear.
End of story.
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>>111599018
THE STUDIOS DON'T GET ANY MONEY FROM YOUR CR SUBSCRIPTION.
NONE.
0.
NOTHING.
GET IT?

Fuck this thread, makes me sad I have to share this board with people like you.
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>>111599018
>Except it didn't because if everyone had a CR subscription the studios would make more money
You mean CR will.
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>>111599080

Yes, and this is why digital goods are incomparable to material ones, because I cannot make a perfect copy of the cheese. It's also why normalshits are fucking retarded for calling piracy "stealing" when it literally, objectively, is not.
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>>111598858

see >>111595710
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If they had downloads, proper subs and proper video quality, i'd be ready to pay even 40€ a month.
Too bad they have none of those
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>>111598966
Oh come on, barely anyone who pirates actually buys anything.
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>>111599114
Youre free to leave at any time then mate.
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>>111599083
Also what a coincidence. Was Symphogear on Crunchy?
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>>111599037
Yeah where's the fucking source to your baseless assumption?
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>>111599181

>lying
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>>111598998
>So he's too good to be the target of advertising campaigns or to look up user reviews
>advertising campaigns
Anon, are you okay? You know what these are for, right?
>user reviews
Oh boy, I'll make sure to check MAL from now on before I decide to buy anything, I'm sure they'll know the answer.
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>>111599181
There a general in this board that says otherwise.

>>111599193
Where's yours?
We already know how CR works, none of the money goes to the producers, only to the people who bought the rights.
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>>111599207
Are you joking or are you seriously this delusional?
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>>111599114
They do you are wrong. Why would the animation producers even allow it otherwise? CR would have their asses in court over copyright infringement.

Do you not pay attention to any of this copyright shit? Fuck, it's been in the news for years!
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>>111599163
You're a fucking retard that can even read.
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>>111599269
>We already know how CR works, none of the money goes to the producers, only to the people who bought the rights.
Am I arguing with me?

Wait a minute are you this anon >>111598755 ?
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>>111599137
They both would. Not many businesses are in business not to make money.
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>>111599317
They fucking don't, CR doesn't pay the studios, therefore CR doesn't support the studios, end of story. CR buys the rights in 2nd hand.
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>>111599317
>What is right holders?
If you're too dumb for the topic, then don't argue please.
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>>111598916

>Basically your argument is piracy is ok. If I buy a BD now and then I'm supporting the industry.

No, my argument is that the pirated product (fansubs) is far superior than that of the shit service CR provides, and even if every dollar of your CR subscription went to studios then you should still pirate because the pirated product is a superior product. You should never, ever give money to something that is inferior to something else available. It supports the idea that that inferior product is okay, and they don't need to change. PROOF: CR STILL BEING DOGSHIT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS

If more people pirated, CR would lose revenue, and be forced to change their business practices to make a product as good or better than fansubbers. You can bet your ass if CR were superior in every way to fansubs I would pay for it, regardless of whether it supported the industry or not (which it fucking doesn't anyway).

Thus, pirates do a much better service to the industry than CR subscribers, because CR subscribers encourage shitty business practices while pirates do not.
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>>111599374
Then tell me why I should give my money to CR when I can support my favorite shows directly?
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>>111599371
>Am I arguing with me?
Maybe. Keep up me.
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>>111599138
Justify how you want, but piracy is stealing and stealing is theft when it comes to media.
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>>111585794
- Crunchyroll translators gets access to the episode scripts so they know what is actually being said in each episode.
-This script they get over a week before the episodes air in japan or go live on CR.
-They consistently fail to surpass the translation quality offered by so called speed-subs, despite being a professional service.

They're shit.
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>>111599471
Don't reply.
Ignore.
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>>111599411
And who sells the rights?

Are you seriously this stupid?
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>>111599532
>The truth is bait if I don't like it.
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>>111599471

>piracy is stealing

It's not. You're lying. Do you see how this works? It's like saying "windows are doors". It's a lie. Windows are certainly comparable to doors but only a fucking retard would say they're the same thing, because they are not. Quite objectively, LITERALLY, you are wrong. There is no sidestepping around this. There is no "justification" going on here. It is the very definition of the words you are defying here. You are objectively wrong in every quantifiable manner and even if you keep repeating "justify all you want" a million times that will not make you any less wrong, because you are 100% completely and utterly wrong.
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Why are there still anons who support CR?

The guy here >>111598189 is true.
I'm not even talking about quality, but I can say for sure that if you support CR you are not an /a/non. You guys are worse than streamers or VLC fags. At least their shit taste doesn't affect the board that much.
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>>111599602
You don't get it do you?
The studios have nothing to do with CR.
>oh yeah guys, we wants a few more thousands because we know there's this streaming website in the west that might want to stream this
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>>111599450
>Pirates actually believe they're doing more than paying customers
This is reddit-level delusion
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>>111599450
I don't necessarily disagreee with the fansubs being superior products. I disagree when you justify piracy at the expense of revenue for the studios.
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>>111599466
Because you don't support all your shows, just a tiny fraction if any.
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>>111599471
It really isn't, the product was never aimed at you anyway, people actually have to make subs so you can actually watch it, that tells you how much "stealing" you're doing.
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>>111599699
>Supporting fansubs is now reddit-tier
Apparently, reddit doesn't even support fansubs.
By process of elemination, I can deduce that you are from /v/ and most likely a steamfag.
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>>111599503
Most speedsubs are shit and I prefer CR subs. Without understanding the nuances of the Japanese language I can't go much deeper than what I read and the few words or expressions I've learned over the years.
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>>111599755
Ah yes, give 10 cents to every show or $100 to a show I actually care about and want to see more off, tough choice indeed.
>this is what CR subs believe
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>>111599755
Thats why I said favorite retard.
Why would I pay money to something that I don't like?
Do you even realize that anime is a very niche market?
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>>111599633
No, but you're being stupid if you don't get it.
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>>111599813
Are you ok?
I recommend you read what you're quoting.
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>>111599450
One of the sad things about this is now "fansubs" groups are just ripping CR and sometimes sugar coat it.
No one hardly fansubs.
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>>111599693
Basically that's how it works
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I just want to donate money directly to studios I like without large portions being taken by sub/merch/etc companies. Can I do that?
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>>111599910
Because there's no point, if you can get a script for free you should do it, "fansubs" at least bother to TS and QC and karaoke and all that shit that CR doesn't.
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>>111599910
Yeah thanks to CR killing fansubs.
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>>111582586
>241 - 19
One team must really suck
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>>111599939
>Basically that's how it works
If that helps you sleep at night, yeah, CR actually has Japan in their hands, I bet if you ask CR enough we'll get a S2 of Maou-sama.
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>>111599848
Except you probably end up giving a dollar to the show you care about and fuck the others even though you watch them anyway.
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>>111600015
>Except you probably end up giving a dollar to the show you care about
Nigga what?
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>>111599699

>CR shills actually believe refuting absolutely nothing and posting "This is reddit-level delusion" is an argument

>>111599706

I don't give a fucking shit about the studios. They don't give a fucking shit about me either, their audience is the Japanese. I care about the product I receive, and so should everyone else, unless they're some stupid fucking moralfag who doesn't belong on /a/. Anyone who PAYS MONEY for an INFERIOR PRODUCT should KILL THEMSELVES as SOON AS POSSIBLE because doing so SUPPORTS THE PRODUCTION OF INFERIOR PRODUCTS. Anyone who does not support the production of inferior products is already doing more for the improvement of said products than those who willingly eat shit because "b-but the industry!"
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>>111600015
>Buy a fucking BD.
>A dollar.
Are you fucking retarded?
Do you know how much a BD is cost?
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>>111600009
>implying worthless leeches like you pay anything
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>>111599952
Become their investor.
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>>111599820
Speeds subs are CR rips.
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>>111600080
>I want a season 2 MM!
>I should pay every show I watch uniformly, that'll get my message across to those dense nips.
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>>111600105
>recurring to ad hominem
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>>111599964
But then shows that aren't on CR hardly get subbed.
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>>111600080

What about them? They did not deem the English-speaking audience important enough to give them a superior product to what high school seniors and med school students can shit out in their spare time. Why should they receive money from a demographic that they ignore completely to the point of giving them crap products?
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>>111600204
There are still original translations being made today.
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>>111600158
>Season 2 never
;_;
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>>111600071
And there you have it.

You don't give a shit because you are just a filthy stealing pirate scum bag.
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CR is a bad company to support, Japanese studios and publishers need to ditch middlemen and directly provide it (they won't though because they give the tiniest care about foreign market). The faster CR dies (sadly it may not happen for some time or ever as far as we know) the better. I'm pretty sure if anons that care had the resources and power to provide content to foreign markets and they'd do it right. But really this thread should die
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>>111600085
How much do you think the studios get from that purchase?
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>>111600268

>resorting to ad hominem because you ran out of arguments

Well, not a /v/ "meme" per se but right in-line with what I was thinking.
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>>111600268
He doesn't give a shit because the creators don't give a shit.
>here have this present
>oh boy what is it
>it's shit
>oh, here, let me pay you for that
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>>111600235
It's a struggle
>YnS 2
>Symphogear G
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>>111600247
>Author ded ;_;
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>>111600290
The fags that like anime yet don't support the industry and condone piracy as a means to an end should die.
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>>111600349

Yosuga no Sora S2? Where?
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>>111600318
Oh ok, so you believe buying a BD gives the studio a whole dollar.
I'm guessing you're just pretending but holy shit.
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>>111600113
How do?
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>>111600318
Lets see
>The cut off lines are ~3000BDs

I'd say I helped 1 more disc to prevent the show I like to become a failure.
That's around 0.033% for you CR shills.
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>>111600349
>Symphogear
Commie dropped it for good and no one will translate S3 ;_;
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>>111600351
>tfw you killed him because you're not subbed to CR
Feels bad mang.

>>111600416
Send them a tweet, maybe?
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>>111600348
But he watches it doesn't he? Total shit watched week after week and cries when there isn't season 2.
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>>111600071
Congrats, you're the most autisitc person in this thread
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>>111600393

see

>>111599450

Piracy helps the industry more than CR subs.
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>>111600464
>Total shit watched week after week and cries when there isn't season 2.
Nice assumption.
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>>111600351
It was a sad day.
Not as sad as Yamaguchi dying.
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>>111600405
Why would the studio get anything? Wouldn't it go to the distributors and publishers?

Studios generally sit at the bottom of the table, so they get almost nothing compared to everybody else anyway.

The best way of supporting a studio that you like is to send them money directly.
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>>111600405
Maybe 2, per disk usually but don't have access to the numbers. Music industry is like that so I'm drawing a parallel. The producers make the most money, the artists the smallest.
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>>111600507
Do you have any numbers or references to support that?
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>>111600559
Are you stupid?
The publishers would have to assume how much it would sell for something like that to happen (this is assuming you're talking about a one time payment, if you aren't, god have mercy on your soul), instead they have a X/Y deal, the studios always get something.

>>111600560
That's why they're all starving in the streets, uh?
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>>111600604

Simple logic. CR is shit, fansubs are superior. Supporting CR supports shit. People who do not support CR do not support shit. If everyone who supported CR stopped supporting CR, CR would either die and have a superior replacement crop up, or change its practices so that it was not so shit. People who support CR only perpetuate the garbage CR produces, while those who pirate encourage its improvement by (not) voting with their wallets and keeping them closed.
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>>111600658
>he publishers would have to assume how much it would sell
But it doesn't work that way a lot of the time. Merchandising or source material sales often play the biggest part, not disc sales. It isn't uncommon for a studio to get contracted to produce an anime, but not recieve a share of any profits.
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>>111600559
>Why would the studio get anything? Wouldn't it go to the distributors and publishers?
>studio makes something
>hey guys want this
>sure man, we'll sell it
>oh nice, what will I get?
>you? dude, you just gave this to us
>o-oh, ok, guess I worked for nothing then, cool
>yeah yeah, my pleasure
I can see it already.
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>It isn't uncommon for a studio to get contracted to produce an anime, but not recieve a share of any profits.
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>>111600402
Yama no Susume, brother.
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>>111600447
Fuck Commie.
Zoid has our backs, kinda. I hope some anon can get on top of that.
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>>111600658
I had read that the average animator makes very little. Like $3 a frame and typically lives on under $1500/mo.

So ya, pretty close to starving artists from my understanding.
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I guess we should all start waiting 3 years after an anime stops airing then we're safe to watch it, since we can't buy it then it's ok.
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>>111600749
Your logic is flawed.
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>>111600819
Look at the anime that Madhouse produces these days (for NTV). Like NGNL, or HxH, or Chihayafuru. Madhouse isn't on the production comittee for any of them.
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>>111601090

No it isn't, you're lying. Instead of lying, post proof of how my logic is flawed. Refute things instead of just making shitty worthless garbage posts like you've been doing.
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>>111601012
Irrelevant, we're not talking about how much they're getting paid, we're talking about if they get paid or not, they won't get a raise because a series sold well, they'll be able to make another season, be able to keep their jobs.
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>>111601118
It's the other way around, you spute nothing but garbage.
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>>111582586
Even weirder, as compensation they pay for licensing rights partially with Cap'n Crunch. It's hard to believe, but they have actually managed to create a system that lets them export mass amounts of Cap'n Crunch to the Anime industry in Japan.
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>>111601194
Why wouldn't they get more? Works here do when things are good.
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>>111585341
The slice of your CR sub that goes to any show you like is a few dollars at best over the course of a season unless you literally watched only 1 show. Even then it would amount to the profit from a single Japanese BD, of which a series usually has 6-8.
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>>111601335
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, irrelevant either way, they still get to keep their jobs, do a bad job and you lose it wether you want or not.
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>>111601284

You still have yet to refute my argument. All you said was "Your logic is flawed." And you were lying. Care to post proof as to how my logic is flawed? The answer is no, you won't. I'd love to see you try anyway, but you won't, because my logic isn't flawed and you know it, but you'll never admit it or post anything proving me wrong. Instead you'll just post worthless stuff like "burn in hell pirate" and "your logic is flawed" with no explanation. God knows how explaining yourself became taboo on /a/.
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>>111601380
Better then not paying anything if you want to support the industry.
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>>111601335
Because the money goes to the studio's bank account. Animators aren't freelancers.
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>>111601429

see

>>111599450

Piracy helps the industry more than CR subs.
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>>111601418
I'd bother if you were interested in posting with an actual argument instead of trolling and acting like a moron.
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>>111601447
>Animators aren't freelancers.
What? Most of them are.
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>>111585051
I know right? Look at how badly I'm killing the industry with pirating. (Only a small fraction of the total)
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>>111601429
>but a significant portion of CR sub fees go to the anime producers
The whole thread is about how this is NOT true.
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>>111601418
>God knows how explaining yourself became taboo on /a/.
Please don't group us with these intolerable CR supporters.
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>>111600507
>This is what thieves actually believe
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Paying for digital media will never make sense to me.
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>>111601506
Your taste is disgusting.
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>>111601464
But you have no actual evidence to refute it. Hence a troll post.
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>>111597818
They're not allowed to say Oishinbo? Or was there some kind of dirty joke there?
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>>111601494
The money will still go to the studio's bank account.
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>>111585341
>but a significant portion of CR sub fees go to the anime producers
>>111600764
>It isn't uncommon for a studio to get contracted to produce an anime, but not recieve a share of any profits.

>tfw CR helps producers more than buying actual BDs
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>>111601485

List of worst canned responses from a truly beaten person:

1. "you're a troll"
2. lying saying "you don't have an argument" and not explaining how
3. "burn in hell pirate"
4. "your logic is flawed" with no explanation why
5. greentext with no explanation

>>111601587

Simple logic. CR is shit, fansubs are superior. Supporting CR supports shit. People who do not support CR do not support shit. If everyone who supported CR stopped supporting CR, CR would either die and have a superior replacement crop up, or change its practices so that it was not so shit. People who support CR only perpetuate the garbage CR produces, while those who pirate encourage its improvement by (not) voting with their wallets and keeping them closed.
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>>111601485
Wow, you are pathetic.
Way to prove the other guy's right.
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>>111601506
Assuming that's even your collection; what's the ratio of purchased vs pirated or titles you do not pay for?
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>>111599602
The studios work for higher-ups like aniplex.
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>>111601709
It doesn't matter, it's already more than your average person and it's actually supporting the industry.
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>>111601527
Thread is about how a portion does go if you chose to pay for it.

The rest are just filthy pirates
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>>111601709

What in the fucking fuck is your point? How is that relevant?
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>>111598122
You can't possibly be this retarded. You gave $2 to the publisher with your CR subscription. Buying the import BDs gives them ultra-conservatively over $100.

Yep. You're saving the industry with your $2.
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>>111601660
You can't beat anyone when you have nothing to support your argument except what goes on inside your delusional little brain.
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>>111601766
>Thread is about how a portion does go if you chose to pay for it.
The thread is actually about how subbing to CR doesn't affect the industry at all but make normal/moralfags feel better about themselves.
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>>111601709
Are you literally retarded? Even buying a couple of mangos is much more helpful than the minuscule amount that CR pays to the content creators. Get off your high horse faggot, your CR subscription only makes the jews at CR rich, nothing more.
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What if I torrent and stream shows

Literally who cares how you watch your animemes
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>>111601767
Pretty relevant, considering the amount of people dribbling on about how it's the just thing to do.
Even though their 5$ spent doesn't compete with the 500 gazillion lost pirating money.
>pirating is bad, you should help the studio
>but I've watched and ready way more than I've paid for
It is relevant, retard.
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>>111601693
Your post is pathetic, imagine the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
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Why are thieves so defensive about their thievery?
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>>111601881
>500 gazillion lost pirating money
I bet you believe this MAG shit going on right now.
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>>111600204
Yozakura quartet was AOTY and only one (new) group barely subbed it.
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>>111599317
Studio != Publisher. Foreign residuals are highly highly unlikely to show up in the pocket of the studio in any way.
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>>111601855

See, now you're lying again. Once again you have nothing to refute my argument. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I predicted before you would not refute my argument, and you've yet to even try. Why is it? Why have you not even TRIED to prove me wrong? All you do is shitty ad hominem nonsense.

Your next response will be "your argument is too stupid to bother to try refuting!"

>>111601881

>5$ spent

Literally lying. That collection costs more than $5. Why would you lie like this? You know better than that.

>500 gazillion lost pirating money.

Literally lying. Piracy is not theft, if it were then pirating an anime episode repeatedly would make the studios lose more ant more money, which unless you're a fucking idiot is clearly wrong. If you claim that piracy is theft and directly causes money loss, you are lying. Why does it seem like so many anti-piracy advocates are liars?
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>>111601881
Piracy is never as harmful as you shills or publisher jews say, in any media. You can never prove that the pirate would have bought the original copy (chinese cartoons, games, movies, whatever) if the ripped content did not exist on the internet, thus there is no loss to the company whatsoever.
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>>111601937
That's because, unless the show is stupid popular, fansubbers aren't retarded, no reason to have everyone subbing the same show, that'll only add to the problem, there was someone who was going to sub it but then someone else picked it up and they left it.
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>>111601755
>>111601767
Actually it does matter if you were the studio or producer

>>111601836
Because from the $100 not much actually goes to the people who created the work. Plus millions of people will stream on CR vs thousands buying BDs. Hence why there are 3000 run cutoffs.
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>>111601865
That's what you made it anyway.

>>111601870
Oh and way to be a racist bastard too, looks good on you moron.
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>>111602059
>Hence why there are 3000 run cutoffs.
You thinking those 3000 are 3000 because CR exists? Holy shit the delusion, anime's cutoff point was always that, CR did fucking nothing.
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>>111602059
>Plus millions of people will stream on CR
Sure, CR shill. Fuck off.
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>>111602120
>way to be a racist bastard too

Seriously just ignore this guy.
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>>111601906
My theory is they don;t want to regard themselves as thieves.
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>>111602058
Learn to speak English. Also, if you weren't so new, you'd understand that my point was that CR missed out on subbing a great show, and if I didn't pirate it, I wouldn't get to watch it.
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>>111602044
It is
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>>111602120
>Oh and way to be a racist bastard too, looks good on you moron.
So you are from leddit. Fuck off back to where you came from faggot.
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>>111601429
Is it really? You think you have some moral high ground that allows you to be a faggot to everyone watching fansubs just because you give $2 to a publisher? That's like, 1-50th of real support. Good job, sure saving the industry you dipshit.

Meanwhile the other guy bought the BD set or imported the original manga/LN, bought a figure or three from the show, etc.

You're like one of those people that donated $5 to save the starving children via a TV ad, of which 50 cents went to the kid, and think you're amazing as you stuff your fat face every night. How's that Kony 2012 going?
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>>111602120

>Oh and way to be a racist bastard too

List of things CR supporters are:

1. Retarded
2. Illogical
3. Moralfags
4. Crossboarders

Anything else come to mind? These seem like the primary ones.
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>>111602178
CR may not have had the rights to stream the show. Hard to say why, but I happen to love that show myself.
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>y-you're all a bunch of pirates killing the industry

Meanwhile, on a very distant, /a/
>>111567522
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>>111602163
Yeah, most of these are bait. I refuse to believe people can be this retarded.
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>>111602232

#Krony2012

If we bring back Krony surely he will drive away all of these CR scum.
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>>111602250
That's my point, they never picked it up so there was no legal way to watch it.
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>>111602232
Sure but who says I don't do that yet pay for all the shows I watch on top?

You have no argument yet argue for the sake of argument. Think that's the very definition of a troll.
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>>111602264
>Implying that more than a minuscule fraction of /a/ actually buys anything
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>>111602324
And what does that have to do with how many people sub it? One is more than enough.
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I stream and pirate my shows.
Why do you are about how other people are watching their anime? It seems that most people are so against streaming, it puts them on par with the faggots on CR forums that are against pirating
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>>111602351
/a/ stills supports the industry more than the entirety of CR, so I guess pirates are better.
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>>111602366

How is one more than enough? You can't have less than zero groups doing it, and even one person on their own would comprise one group, so your definition of "enough" is exactly zero groups?
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>>111602366
Nothing? I'm just saying it barely got done.
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>>111602342
>Sure but who says I don't do that yet pay for all the shows I watch on top?
You don't, otherwise you'd not sub to CR.
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>>111602411
I doubt that
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>>111602351

LWA2 has about $200k-250k more than it would have without /a/, and maybe even more since /a/'s early efforts brought the kickstarter immeditely into the public eye. Not to mention the fact that the Watamote anime would never have even been produced without /a/.
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>>111602538
I don't, CR doesn't give anything to the producers so /a/ wins by default.
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>>111602411
Because literally no one subscribed to CR ever buys anything else, right?
You're a complete retard.
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>>111602505
Are you retarded? He was saying one literally cannot be "more" than enough.
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>>111601709
How many titles do people in Japan watch on TV and not pay for? How many go to a cafe or bookstore and read for free without paying?

One copy of a manga that hundreds of people read at a cafe gives the publisher almost nothing.

On the weekend I went to Book Off while in Japan and literally in front of every single shelf space there was someone standing reading whole volumes of manga without paying for them. Shoulder-to-shoulder -- I couldn't even see what titles were on the shelf because of it.
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>>111602577
>implying CRfags buy more shit than buyfags
S-sure.
Fucking summer I swear.
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>>111602461
CR gives the new shows now, BDs come out well after the fact. CR allows me to watch whenever I want on whatever device I want. BDs are more of a planned event. I also find the subs of CR to be fine, though I frequently prefer some of the background the fansubbers provide. Sometimes fansubs are good, othertimes not. I don't understand Japanese well enough to comment on the quality of the subs.
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>>111602577
The people who sub to cr don't count as CR you mongoloid
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>>111602566
Your wrong again and make argument without merit.
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>>111602666
That's not why people sub to CR, you can get all that shit for free elsewhere, people sub because they think they're supporting the industry and feel happy with that.
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>>111602666
Get the fuck out of here, you're pathetic and obviously belong on reddit.
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Hehe.
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>>111602724
>Your
you're*
Please don't discuss things you don't know nothing about.
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>>111602642
Please provide evidence that
>/a/ stills supports the industry more than the entirety of CR
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>>111602724
How am I supposed to respect your argument if you can't even construct a sentence?
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>>111602059
The $100 is after the cut. The gross price would be over $400.

CR has something like 100k subs, and almost anywhere outside of North America is blocked. Millions of people my ass. And those freebies are pennies instead of dollars.
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>>111602630
The media on TV is payed for by the broadcast right holder and the revenue comes from commercials.

You can read but you don't own the book. If you want to own it you're going to either buy it or pirate it. Only one supports the industry.
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>>111602801

>>111567522
Your turn.
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>>111600290
>Japanese studios and publishers need to ditch middlemen and directly provide it (they won't though because they give the tiniest care about foreign market).

Wasn't Daisuki meant to be this?
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>>111602786
Nein!
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>>111602801
We buy shit and CR doesn't give money to the studios, they give it (if anything) to their business partners. Any money they did give out gets diluted as fuck since people can watch more than one show per season. It's like saying paying Comcast is supporting the TV industry.
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>>111602917
Yes, but Aniplex still provides subtitles to CR so, pointless.
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Wow, people actually believe that anything other than a minuscule portion of/a/ regularly buys anime related products.

Face it faggots, the MAJORITY of people download anime, watch it, and never buy anything related. Are these people giving more to the industry than CR subscribers? No they are giving nothing. Even the two cents that CR subscribers give is better than that.

Also, a lot of you are assuming that CR subscribers don't buy anything. Well, fuck, if we're assuming that everyone who pirates imports, than why can't we assume that every person that is subscribed to CR imports a figurine?
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>>111602844
Do you know why it's blocked outside north america? Has to do with different kinds of distribution rights in different zones. It's how licensing for media works. If it's unfair to the animation companies then they should negotiate better settlements or find another distribution partner.
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>>111603000

>than why can't we assume that every person that is subscribed to CR imports a figurine?

Because idiotic CR normalfags don't know how to import things.
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>>111603000
This has already been discussed you nigger, scroll up.
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>>111603000
>Well, fuck, if we're assuming that everyone who pirates imports, than why can't we assume that every person that is subscribed to CR imports a figurine?

See >>111602740


>Are these people giving more to the industry than CR subscribers? No they are giving nothing.
True, they both give nothing.
>Even the two cents that CR subscribers give is better than that.
Nope, about as meaningless.
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>>111602912
You've provided evidence that there are people on /a/ who buy stuff.
You haven't provided evidence that no one on CR buys anything, or that /a/ buys more than CR.
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>>111602855
>Japanese TV revenue comes from selling commercials
>I am literally this retarded

Japanese TV sells the timeslot in its entirety. Sunrise or Aniplex or whoever buys the 30min slot and THEY air the anime and every CM. This is why every CM is always related artists or merchandise during a show.

Actual viewership doesn't affect their revenue at all unless you were enough of a pleb to buy that deck of Weibb Schwartz cards just because you saw it in a CM.
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>>111603152
>You haven't provided evidence that no one on CR buys anything
That's for you to do, show me that people on CR buys.
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>>111602949
Well when you subscribe to cable you are in effect supporting those shows since different providers have to pay for the license to display the media. Comcast for instance pays a portion of your subscription of HBO to HBO. HBO takes that money and finances new shows.
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>>111603039

>If it's unfair to the animation companies then they should negotiate better settlements or find another distribution partner.

They don't fucking give a shit. At ALL. They make their stuff for the Japanese audience, then CR comes along and says "hey, we will give you $10k (or whatever) to stream this in the US translated." It's free money because they don't see the west as a market, just as a gimmick little bit of bonus money that's completely irrelevant.
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>>111603152
Yep. People on CR buy US licensed titles years after the original publish date. Those tiny residuals that go back to the publisher are great comfort to the manga author that was cancelled 12 months ago, as those sales don't factor into any direct metric that keeps them serialized.
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>>111603260
That's not how it works, these TV channels don't own the studios.
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>>111603189
Well since you know all about broadcast rights and distribution, why are you arguing the fact that piracy supports the animation industry?

So yes, you literally are that retarded.
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>>111603402
This is bait, don't bother.
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>>111603360
No, but the cable companies pay them regardless when you pay the cable company for the subscription.
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>>111599138
I don't know if you are just mad/autistic because the word "steal" used with digital content doesn't coincide with your definition of stealing or you are trying to delude yourself that piracy isn't bad. If your only problem is the therm he is using, then I can sort of agree.

Stealing is bad. Piracy is bad too. Now I am generally speaking about digital goods, not exactly about anime. You can have some "but" with shows that are not licensed in your country and the only way you could obtain it would be import it from Japan without subs. In this case basically nobody gives a shit about you, so it's "sort of" ok. It still is kind of shady, but it's somehow acceptable (because nobody gives a shit).

But when you watch something that is someone selling (physical media, streaming, whatever) in your country and had to buy license for it, then you are obviously not paying money to somebody you should. Now we could also argue about supporting the industry... and more shit. But basically, you shouldn't be able to enjoy things for free that are not supposed to be free.

Catch that I haven't used the word "steal". But I think that in broad sense and used within a context it's ok to use it.

(I am not supporting CR and I haven't even tried to imply it here.)
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>>111603482
Yes and you think them getting a few thousands from CR is going to make them ask the studios to make a new season of whatever?
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>>111603247
You're the one who's making a claim, retard. I'm just asking you to prove it.
You claim that
>/a/ stills supports the industry more than the entirety of CR, so I guess pirates are better.
Prove your own assertion.
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>>111603541
Companies will create things that make them money. Look at all the gold shows, or pawn shows or fit ix shows there are.
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>>111603548
CR does not give any money to the producers, that's a fact.
/a/ does, also a fact.
People on CR sub so they don't have to buy anything.
People on /a/ don't sub, that's a reason for them to actually buy something to support what they like, unlike CR people who think they're already supporting.
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>>111603647
See >>111603541
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>>111603548

You can't prove a negative. People who sub to CR don't buy shit. Proof: all these pictures of people from CR not buying things.

If you want to prove something you have to prove a positive.
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>>111585341
>/a/utists getting BTFO by this post

just admit that you hate CR because it's popular with normies
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>>111603754
Also bait, ignore.
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>>111585893
Anon. Elaborate. Please.
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>>111603679
stating it's a fact doesn't in fact make it a fact.

A percentage of the money CR receives goes to the industry. That's an actual fact.

http://otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/
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>>111603538

>Piracy is bad too.

>it's bad because I say so!

>But basically, you shouldn't be able to enjoy things for free that are not supposed to be free.

Why?
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>>111603841
A tiny, irrelevant percentage in comparison to actual support via buying media, the original work, or merch.
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>>111603841

>That's an actual fact.

>Gao couldn’t reveal to me how much of your Crunchyroll payment goes back to anime publishers because of nondisclosure agreements.
>what the CR CEO says is fact because I trust him :^)

>stating it's a fact doesn't in fact make it a fact.

The irony.
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>>111603959
You are incorrect, but read the article and perhaps research digital rights.
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>>111603841
Just because CR tells you it "goes to the industry" doesn't make it true.
>But he did say that publishers are “ecstatic” about the revenue they receive
Probably bullshit but it doesn't matter, do you see producers there? Yeah, I don't either.
CR thinks the whole Japanese TV is part of the industry which is bullshit because it actually doesn't affect anime at all until CR becomes big enough to become an influence and since that hasn't happened and will never happened yeah, 0 for the anime industry.
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>>111602949
>they give it (if anything) to their business partners
Those business partners are the one funding anime studios. They're the ones who provide the funding to fund many studios. They're the ones who make up the committees that end up giving capital up in the hopes that they'll make money for the anime made by the studios under their wing. They serve as the umbrella arm for many animation studios.

So how is not giving money to those business partners not worth it? Publishers determine the pay that studios get. Even figures and other merchandise are business partners. Studios don't actually get all the money from those other business either.

Even if you say CR sucks, it's the only real thing that most poor people in the world (and yes, most people in the world are poor) can afford to help the industry. Most people pirate not because they want to, but because they can't spend money on something they can't eat or use to fuel up their car with.
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>>111603841
>the CEO says something it must be true

The CEO of the company I work for regularly forges regulatory documents and bribes the FDA.
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>>111604005
That's the way it works, other than I have actual evidence and you have ?

Keep reading the article, then continue to troll away
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>>111604037
I'm done now. We've already delineated multiple times in the thread what CR revenue amounts to. It's exponentially less and statistically irrelevant in comparison.
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>>111603959
>>111604005
>>111604066
>>111604093
>>111604101

And now we all get to wear our tinfoil hats!!
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>>111603959
>>111604005
>>111604066
>>111604093
>>111604101
ahahahaha, the straw grasping is strong.
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>>111604174
Yes but without anything to back it up except conjecture.
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>>111604093
See >>111603541
You're not helping the industry, well you're, just not the anime one.
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>>111604066
They're ecstatic because it's free money. They get to triple dip now via selling not only the DVD licensing rights, but the streaming rights as well. And to a market they were making almost no money from because they're too ass backwards to make their own inroads. And the faggots in the market aren't willing to do their research to see what actually supports what they like and buy it.

"But if it's not in English, why would I buy it?"
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>>111604269
Like knowing forging of documents by the CEO by some random employee in sector G. Fuck ya!
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>>111604218
>>111604269
>samefag

If you honestly believe that a CEO's job isn't to sugarcoat everything about a company to the public while making sure the skeletons in his closet are never found you're moronic.
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>>111604128
Maybe YOU should read the article.
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>>111604373
I did, perhaps you should re-read it this time for comprehension
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>>111604293
>linked old article delineates exactly how revenue is broken down. amounts to dollars or less per series.
>old ANN article delineates revenue breakdowns for physical media
>CR is a tiny fraction in comparison

Yep. Total conjecture.
As usual, they just ignore what blocks up their shitty argument or claim its made up.
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>>111604313
>few thousands
As opposed to what? ZERO dollars a month?
The last recorded number of people registered and paid with CR was 70,000 around 3 years ago. I don't know how much the registration is, but let's say it's 5 bucks a month. That's 350,000 dollars a month. CR says they make the same amount of money that a subscription costs with their ads for non-paying members.

Now we factor in the probably a larger number of people so let's go with the lower level estimate of at least 2x more people watch free CR with ads, that's another 700,000 dollars.

That would be 1.5 million dollars that Crunchyroll can potentially make in a MONTH in revenue.

What if they have more registered and paying viewers now? What if they have more than 5x the free ad watching normals?

That's a whole lot of money. A whole lot more money than a few figure buying anons on /a/ can ever amount to.
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>>111604539
Maybe YOU should re-read it.
I already replied to you you idiot, scroll up
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>>111604609
Oh wait, messed that up. It would be 1.05 million dollars a month.
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>>111604609
Out of Crunchyroll’s 10,000,000 monthly visitors, only 200,000 or so actually pay for the service. That means more than 90 percent never give Crunchyroll any money. That’s not a problem for Gao or the anime industry, however. The ads free members see make up the difference, so publishers earn just as much as they would with subscribers.
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>>111604638
And what did I miss?
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>>111604609
They don't pay these TV channels monthly, they pay it once and it's theirs, and no, these shows don't sell for millions, most of them have little over a million budget, make the math, maybe they sell it for 5% tops, that's 50k, imagine how much CR makes all for itself.
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>>111603841
>So if you’re watching Kill La Kill 75 percent of the time and Golden Time the other 25 percent, that means Kill La Kill’s publisher gets 75 percent of your money. On Crunchyroll, the more anime you watch, the more publishers you support.

This is fucking hilarious. The amount of infrastructure it would take to actually implement a system like this is well beyond what CR is working with.

And it's not like they studios get royalties. It's a flat fee. Do they actually think anyone believes this tripe?
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>>111604756
>>111604066
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>all these numbers getting pulled out of asses

citations fucking please
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>>111604688
>10,000,000 monthly visitors, only 200,000
Oh, so that makes sense.
Let me recalculate now:
If CR still is worth 5 bucks a month for anime, that's:
5 x 200,000 = 1 million
5 x 10 million = 50 million

Hmm... that sounds weird. So let me guess, the ads don't actually give CR 5 bucks a month per view, rather, they only make up as a total, the same amount of money that the subscribers do?

So monthly, Crunchyroll has a revenue stream of 2 million dollars a month?
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>>111603913
I am not sure if you are serious or trolling.

Because you are not paying money for entertainment that is not free. That something can be easily copied, doesn't mean it's free for use.

The show was made to make profit. And you have seen it for free and haven't monetary compensated anyone participating in the whole selling process in any way. (Even if something airs on your local TV, it probably airs with advertisements which monetary compensate the TV station for buying license rights to air the show you are watching.)

Also... generally speaking, how can you say that piracy isn't bad? You are enjoying something that you haven't paid for and yet you should have. Or do you think that things that are not physical (like a bag of potatoes, TV, car, whatever) have no value? I really can't see where you are coming from. It's not really bad "because I say so".
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>>111604776
Infrastructure? You use other peoples infrastructure until its profitable to build your own. Like mega upload didn't build anything yet had what 18 petabytes of information. Just becomes a bandwidth and storage bill really. Paid for by your subscriber base and ad revenue.
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>>111604093
>most people in the world are poor
Yeah, and CR only works for America so the world is irrelevant.
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>>111604951
What he means is that there's no way for CR to take these numbers and be like "ok, guy 1 just watched 5 seconds of your show, here's 1 cent, guy 2 watched 5 hours, here's a dollar" etc, it doesn't even work that way anyway.
>leave anime on loop forever making it so everything goes to that one and the others get 1 cent each
Yeah, ok CR.
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>>111604757
>They don't pay these TV channels monthly, they pay it once and it's theirs,
No, they don't. That's why Crunchyroll ends up removing titles from their viewing list. They have to make up more space for their budget.
>and no, these shows don't sell for millions, most of them have little over a million budget, make the math, maybe they sell it for 5% tops, that's 50k, imagine how much CR makes all for itself.
Shinji revealed the profit sharing scheme CR has when it was asked from him before. I think ANN released a link about it.

The profit is divided up every month.

Aside from the licensing paid for digital rights up front, money is divided in this manner:

50 percent is shared equally for all parties involved that had their anime showed on CR for the month.
The remaining 50 percent is based on minute view count. The more you watch an anime, the more it gets paid, the less you watch it, the less it gets.

However, since most people watch Naruto, this means the Naruto or One Piece fanbase is actually subsidizing the lesser known titles with the 50 percent equal sharing.

At least that's what shinji said in the forum post.
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>>111604951
I was talking from a software point of view. Even enterprise-level solutions like Salesforce can't provide you with functionality like that.
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>>111605066
Even if you do that, you're one man. That prevents people from abusing that function. Also, 50 percent of the profits are equally shared as >>111605081 shows


Do they even have a loop forever function?
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>>111604868
>So monthly, Crunchyroll has a revenue stream of 2 million dollars a month?
That makes more sense than lol51million.
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>>111605081
>No, they don't.
Stopped reading, honestly don't even care.
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>>111604868
CR was purchased for a $100 million a few years ago.

Subscription is $6.95USD a month x 200000 = 1.39 Million + ad revenue for the other 9800000 'free' users or views (probably views).

Probably amounts to a few hundred thousand in ad revenue anyway per month.

So if CR is a $100 million it should have revenues around 30 to 50 million per year.
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>>111604609
And how much MORE money would that amount to if those people were actually directly supporting instead of lipservice? A whole heck of a lot more.

And the monthly visitors they list aren't unique IPs.
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>>111605278
>b-but muh INSIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE
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>>111605278
Oh damn, you're right. Chernin did buy Crunchyroll for 100 million dollars.
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Where do I sign up for a job with CR where I get paid to defend them on 4chan all day? Sounds like the easiest job ever. Just ignore any arguments made against CR and use as many logical fallacies as possible.
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>>111605278
It was bought for the existing platform, not for current revenue reasons. The firm that bought them is going to be expanding into live-action soon. THAT is why they bought them.
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>>111605294
but not everyone that pays for CR would directly support the industry anyway

i don't know why it's so hard for anons to understand that CR does in fact help the industry, no matter how "little" it is and how much they think they're supporting in comparison
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>>111605294
They wouldn't be able to afford the products in the first place. There's a reason why kickstarter can provide hundreds of thousands of dollars for people in one go.

Because a bunch of people donating small amounts of money that they can AFFORD can build up to that huge amount.

Most of CR users obviously are too poor to afford anime at ridiculous costs of 70 dollars a BD or 120 dollars a dakimakura.
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>>111605356
Daily reminder that if you have a CR subscription, you support jews.
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>>111605419
I'd like that job too.
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>>111605429
Problem is the anon's who think buying a BD now and then are helping while pirating the rest.
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>>111605419
>>111605495
now you're just complaining about nonexistent shills

good job i guess
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>>111605439
>Most of CR users obviously are too poor to afford anime at ridiculous costs
That's why you save up and then buy your favorite show of the year in hope it matters so it gets another season.
>b-but saving up
CR shills also can't into money management, who knew.
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>>111605495
Would ya really? It'd be trolls all day and all night. I'd rather watch anime myself.
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>>111605552
You're helping, you're not supporting the shit shows, that's helping.
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>>111605605
To be fair, Americans in general suck at saving money.
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>>111605554
It's like I'm really on /v/
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