Japan to Crack Down on Anime and Manga Piracy
They can't do shit, we're on another continent and the amount of effort necessary to actually get the sites taken down would be massive. Definitely not worth the effort considering it doesn't harm the industry
Yes. you will see threads about this for the next day or two. Everyone will then forget about it.
Then someone will make a thread about it one month late and everyone will call him a faggot.
This is the most likely outcome.
Whoops, those are channels anon.
I could really give a shit about which bot I use. I tend to use five or six at a time if I'm download a single show simply because I haven't figured out a way to do batch downloads yet.
>potential money they're losing.
Not quite, any "fan" that wanted to "support" the industry already has a CR account or already use legal western mediums, serious supporters already buys the BDs, figs, etc. Directly from Japan. So most of the paying market has already been capitalized.
And publisher are also forgetting that fansubs subs server as free marketing that usually cost a lot of money for the company.
Speaking of supporting the industry, does buying manga published in the US help in any significant way?
I've probably spent over $500 in the past four months buying manga which is probably the only way I'll ever really be able to support the industry.
Nope, Only a fraction of the revenue of the sales goes to the mangaka, another fraction goes to the right holder. However it does help if you want more localized crap.
You might also want to consider importing the manga from japan, it can be quite cheap actually.
It helps support the US publication of more manga. If you like the idea of the general public being able to walk into a bookstore and buy a volume of Knights of Sidonia, then keep at it.
Pfffft, the most watched subs here are CR rips anyway. Nothing to worry about
Why even give them icons if you can't see them?
I wouldn't even mind buying anime if it was cheaper and available via digital distribution. As it is, piracy is the vastly superior choice for those of us who aren't millionaires and/or don't have vacant shelves lining the walls.
I buy Nip music in a heartbeat, but not anime. Why? DRM and pricing. Sure, Japanese CDs are stupidly priced, but a good album will last you for the rest of your life. How often do you rewatch something even if it's your favourite series?
Also fuck DRM.
would a steam + anime producer partnership be viable I wonder
you buy a show just like a game and then get access to downloading or streaming of every episode which goes into your anime library
no DRM shit, you just have a bunch of folders in your steam directory where the .mkvs or whatever format. Steam comes with a video player that doesnt lick balls, just ripping off MPC with a good codec pack would be fine, though you can use any player you want. It wouldn't prevent piracy, but it would be a quick and easy way to pay for anime if you wanted to.
No, because the industry cannot into proper quality typesetting and translations. There's a reason why we shit on CR and HS all the time. However, if they somehow managed a partnership with the big fansub sites (Daiz-sama please), I think this would be a good system. Hell, I'd pay for the AOTS, everything else would be pirated of course.
That's not actually true. You can't just pop in a BD and play it back without buying some shitty software.
I'm not really familiar with the ripping process, but I have tried making a few DVD ISOs with a simple dd command only to have it fail because of the DRM on the disc. I know there are ways around it (duh), but that doesn't mean it's suddenly a DRM-free disc.
I see a major problem with the lack of privacy on platforms like Steam. If it were just a sales platform it would be okay but I dislike how they force the community features upon their users. Not to mention that they're probably as intrusive as facebook when it comes to gathering data on their users.
I hope US and Japan get their shit together in releasing anime titles. I am sick and tired of all this shit talk of support the industry crap.
And on off topic, they need get better with dubbing and create new talent. Eliminate all the bullshit with nepotism and union shit that moslty hurting future talents including money issues
if you read steams license agreement they don't record all that much, none of it is personally identifiable and a lot of it is optional
as for community features, you're welcome to set your profile to completely private, so that no one can view what you've bought or whatever.
I only suggest steam because it seems as though every anime dork has a steam profile, so simply adding onto something that everyone already has is much easier than getting customers to install new software
>As a result, this week the Japanese government will act in order to preserve what it sees as one of its greatest cultural exports.
But only a fraction of it is exported
>to legal copies of the 250 affected works at a flat price of a few hundred yen.
It's fucking nothing.
>would a steam + anime producer partnership be viable I wonder
That depends. if both all parties involved assume they can make enough of a profit they might do it. However they still need to consider the share of the market CR already has and if enough userbases, CR and steam, overlaps and if they would be willing to spent more and their anime.
>no DRM shit
Not going to happen, steam in itselft is DRM incarnated.
>because the industry cannot into proper quality typesetting and translations.
Irrelevant, people are still willing to pay. CR proves this.
>There's a reason why we shit on CR and HS all the time.
This is even more irrelevant for business wise.
Now you are being a complete retard, because what we need is another fucking idiot deciding what he thinks is good for us instead of what the consumer actually want.
>physical media copy ...does not have DRM on it
Yeah, nah, you're a moron. There's not a single CD, DVD or BD that doesn't have DRM on it. They're literally built into the standard at this point.
Where your confusion kicks in is that it's laughably easy to bypass/break the DRM they use, making them "effectively" DRM free, if not in actuality.
There's an important difference there.
Bypassing DRM is technically illegal in most 1st world countries now, although nobody really gives a fuck because it is absolutely impossible for the powers that be to enforce said asinine, outdated, industry-purchased laws.
tl;dr you're wrong, but it doesn't really matter
Does anyone not realize how likely it is Batoto will go down? They take down shit all the time who's to say it won't be killed completely by the time this is over?
Or do you guys not mind using DDS and FMD on shitty sites like fox, kiss, panda, etc?
>There's not a single CD, DVD or BD that doesn't have DRM on it.
Incorrect, the redbook audio standard for CDs is DRM-free. The vast majority of audio CDs (like 99.9%) are on that standard. There was a very brief period were Sony released a few hundred CDs with DRM in it, but it turned out that the software used to rip them literally installed a rootkit on your computer. That scandal blew up in their face and nobody has ever tried something like that again.
>none of it is personally identifiable and a lot of it is optional
It becomes relevant where it's combined with other data. Valve is an American company after all, so government agencies can demand them to hand out the data they have on their customers. Accumulation of data is always a security risk.
>as for community features, you're welcome to set your profile to completely private, so that no one can view what you've bought or whatever.
I can still view what games people have been playing, even if their profiles are private.
Also, Valve is being quite mischievous when it comes to baiting people into giving them information, e.g. by handing out bonuses and things like that. These aren't really good business practices.
b-but people on /v/ always said they will buy the game after they pirate and try it if its good
su-surely the people who buy anime would do the same right?
>e.g. by handing out bonuses and things like that.
A fucking badge.
The only people who care about that shit are gigantic faggots that need to feel like their alive by stroking their e-penis on superfluous bullshit like that.
For a while a large percentage of pop and rock CD releases had on-disc DRM. Sometimes it was encoded within the track itself, other times it was full-retard shit like Sony's rootkit.
Yes, things are better now, but then again who the hell buys music on CD anymore?
Still doesn't change the fact that 99% of mass-market DVDs and BDs have DRM on them.
Because they take down shit when asked and censor their site in attempts to please the faggots who keep trying to make them a target?
Well I guess we're back to water mark sites.
>For a while a large percentage of pop and rock CD releases had on-disc DRM.
No, it was never a large percentage. I think you mean a large percentage of mainstream stuff on major labels. And even then, that was a really short period.
>then again who the hell buys music on CD anymore?
I do. There's no other reasonable way for me to support bands halfway across the world. (No, I'm not going to buy a fucking T-shirt for every band I like. That's ridiculous.)
You're wrong officer. I'm not stealing the meat, I'm pirating it.
It doesn't even ask for information though. Really it just wants you to foster a sense of community by joining in and partaking of it. Hell you get a fucking point by playing a game and another for changing your avatar. There's only 1 option for personal information and that's the facebook link which anyone would link to an alt-account if they even felt like it since it's optional.
how will this affect series that aren't legally licensed overseas? Like Pretty Cure or Sunred?
And those with REALLY horrible dubs (and even heavy edits) only with no subs
is it just gonna say NOOO FUCK YOU PIRACY IS ICKY POO POO YOU ONLY GET SHADOW REALM
or show I just ignore this?
I wouldn't buy anime because the subs always fucking suck.
Even crs shit is barely passable and that's literally all the do.
Why would I buy shit when I can not only get it for free, but I can also get a better product?
>It doesn't even ask for information though. Really it just wants you to foster a sense of community by joining in and partaking of it.
You really think Valve does this because they want to create a sense of community and they're not interested in your gaming and browsing habits for marketing reasons? You must be really naive then.
Bandcamp is the only digital download site worth using. I personally prefer having the physical copy, but buying from bandcamp is reasonable. Also, it is common for bands to offer the physical disk on their bandcamp page which I'll happily pay for.
Amazon downloads are garbage and I have no idea why you even thought to bring that up.
In my case though, I will end up just buying the CD anyway. For example, I took a shot in the dark at 3nd and bought some of their stuff off of the bandcamp page. I ended up loving it so much that I decided I wanted the albums on the physical copy.
And obviously, not every band has a bandcamp.
I can't just go fly halfway across the world to see a show from a band I like.
Also, not every band is on a major label. Many of them are independent so they would see a significant amount of cash going to them.
You will buy our shitty knock-off translation done by a student studying Japanese in his second year and you will like it, you filthy disgusting goyim.
This is how most companies actually think, by the way.
Related or not, Crazy's Manga is shutting down. It's been here since 2007.
>>111223517 check foolz. We have one. So maybe some other anon can take over hosting Crazy's Manga also?
You haven't seen all the piracy threads on /g/ that start with some greentext that says something along the lines of "it's okay for me to steal this meat, I wasn't going to pay for it anyway" with that picture?
When the fuck is Japan going to stop being completely fucktarded about a seriously untapped market and:
Supply services owned by Japanese companies
Offers (good) translations at a reasonable price
While digital only, is DRM free
I would be happy to pay for more chinese cartoons and comics but I don't want to pay an American middle man for it, just fuck that noise.
Japans can be so technophobic and inept at times it's absolutely baffling.
those morons DO know that the reasons people pirate anime are
1. The official dub is horrible quality
2. The videos are of horrible quality (like that offical sub of Futari Wa Precure floating around everywhere like on Funi and Crunchyroll, it looks fucking awful
2. It's too expensive
3. There's numerious amounts of heavy editng to dumb it down because "think of the childeren a bloo bloo bloo"
4. Legal copies are either out of print or rare to find
There are far better methods of doing that than some badge of which ties together shit you do in a normal session. That data would be completely inconclusive as it's the normal routine of a user.
Attention to the forums is what they'd want which is how they knew Greenlight was a failure a few months into its lifetime.
Im aware of madokami, I just dont think its a good long term solution considering how content is uploaded. Also the secret club mentality only works for shit like sadpanda where there are still surface alternatives to reading and downloading. Manga is important to everyone, unless someone steps up and makes something retards can effectively grasp shits going to turn into sour milk Im calling it now.
Artists have this mindset too. They actually think copyright protects them. Just look at doujins that are parodies of popular commercial works. Even though they violate copyright, they will have a warning that copying the doujin is against the law.
>at a reasonable price
Never. Because prices aren't "reasonable" even in Japan.
The prices stems from a business model no longer relevant in most industries, and even though attempts have been made to lower the prices, that only resulted in a loss of revenue for everyone involved.
As much as I do prefer physical material making that your only policy just won't work.
These industries would see some major bolstering if they just fucking embraced the digital age.
>Never. Because prices aren't "reasonable" even in Japan.
I know, I've imported music and video games before, it's not cheap.
Piracy is always going to be a problem but I don't think enough is being done to develop hassle-free, user friendly distribution methods where everyone can benefit.
It's all these fucking men in suits, isn't it?
1. They are aware it's bad. They don't care. In their opinion you don't have a choice (or at least, shouldn't) so you will buy the title and deal with the shitty dub.
2. Again, they don't care. You will buy their product and like it, or you won't buy it and you won't have it. They're certainly not gonna let you have it for free.
3. Actually this is one that's kinda silly, anime prices in Japan are way higher than they are in the US. Dunno about other countries.
4. Gotta be able to reach as much of the market as possible! How else could we poor poor business execs buy another yacht?
5. But what if we plan to do a reprint? That could be a lost sale! Nope, you will either not have it or pay through the nose to someone who owns a "legal" copy (even though those are usually well-made counterfeits.)
The only thing I care about are manga, and I buy those when I got the money.
Never saw an anime where I was thinking that I had to have it. For all I care japan can shoot themselves in the foot with their dumb copyright bullshit for anime.
It's not just about the badge. They can harvest all kinds of data from their users. The badge merely motivates the user to do things, but the badge isn't the only device. People are baited with free games during sales if they fill their wishlists. They have cloudspace automatically activated and don't allow users to manually clear it. They collect data on browsing habits, various statistics on the gaming habits of people and so on.
This is all a rather unhealthy development and I certainly hope the EU will tame Valve in that regard, just like they did with google recently.
>don't export 99% of their shit
>they get mad when a bunch of white guys translate it and give it out for free on the internet
they literally lose next to nothing since the market practically doesn't exist outside of
stupid fucking chinks
One thing I never really got. Is how I could be in Japan and actually record all my anime. And that is perfectly legal.
But as soon as I do it through a computer, it's a crime worth millions in fines.
Well of course you're shitposting when you add anime community to your quote when I only said community.
And to begin with Batoto was part of the manga community, not anime. Nothing you said made any sense it's just a bunch of sperging.
They support the local distribution industry but they barely matter to Japan.
Also, nobody gives a shit.
If you want to be commended for your efforts you should go to some shitty forum. On /a/ we don't care.
The only reason is because there's no distributors who want to distribute their BD/DVDs to their country.
And sadly, even if we(in my country) can find some BDs/DVDs on amazon (or ebay?) it's ridiculously expensive that you'd be give the fuck up and just download it from torrent.
If only Japan wants to promote their Anime to the distributors, things like picture related won't really matter for Japan.
>Now I suppose it's much easier to import, but fuck mang.
I honestly wonder if the Japanese have any idea how much westerners are paying to purchase media.
The only thing reasonably priced in Japan is generally printed shit, it's ridiculous.
See, now you move on to the heart of the matter.
They've already gone on record saying that sales are their little experiments on consumerism and consumer habits. I don't agree with it and tend to curb my spending.
Cloudspace can be deleted but it's a pain in the ass. You can find a tutorial on Google.
Every site and browser you use collects data on you and while I have an issue with it I know there's nothing I can do.
I was only making the point that lots of people would probably pay for digital releases of his. So the people who would give a shit are all those picking up manga as well. I have no opinion of Urasawa himself.
I would if it were possible. Sadly, matter cannot be transmitted through the internet yet.
Since this is pirating we're talking about, it would be a clone loli, right? So no crime has been committed (at least not that anyone would know about)
I'm fairly cynical that Japan realizes the potential of foreign markets that aren't China or Korea. A head executive at Squaresoft was legitimately surprised that Bravely Default was a hit in the U.S. because they thought traditional JRPG's were too unpopular. They get way to caught up in the "East/West" divide.
I've only visited for like a week and was blown away by how expensive everything was. Is printed material like manga or novels cheaper in comparison to everything else?
>They've already gone on record saying that sales are their little experiments on consumerism and consumer habits.
The point remains that they're making money (maximising profit) using their customer's data. This is what Facebook does and it should not be tolerated.
>Cloudspace can be deleted but it's a pain in the ass. You can find a tutorial on Google.
I shouldn't have to look it up on google. They should ask me whether I wanted to use it, telling me exactly what they're going to do with the data stored and whether I agree with it and they should allow me to look into the data stored at any point and delete it at any given point. It's my data after all.
>Every site and browser you use collects data on you and while I have an issue with it I know there's nothing I can do.
You can minimise it by using browser plugins and collecting of data has been getting flak lately. Valve on the other hand is always portrayed as the customer's friend, which they aren't.
You can now contact google to have websites infringing upon your privacy removed from their index. Companies storing data left and right and fucking with their customer's privacy is something that isn't going to fly for that much longer - at least when it comes to European customers.
I think it is.
Kids and adults having entire library's of manga
Here you would have to break the bank just to get to get your favorites.
Some people here payed hundreds for a single figure, for something in japan you would get for maybe 15 bucks
About 600-700 yen for any manga or light novel, keeping in mind that the format for manga in Japan is usually larger than localized manga and always comes with slipcovers too.
Meanwhile albums are anywhere between 3000-3800 yen, games about 7000-8000 yen and a single volume of anime about 4800-7000 yen.
I don't fucking know, man.
>Meanwhile albums are anywhere between 3000-3800 yen
Nah, it's a little more variable than that. More like 2000-4000 yen. If it's a bigger label, it'll cost much more than if it is an independent release.
>Well, those prices don't sound too bad
>Check conversation rates.
That's astounding for manga volumes. In the US each manga volume costs anywhere from 7.95 to 15.00 (for less pages overall)
Yeah, that sure worked well for Hollywood.
Also totally counterproductive. I'm sure I can speak for others when I say if it wasn't for piracy I'd have never gotten into anime and never spent a cent on it or related materials.
>I'm sure I can speak for others when I say if it wasn't for piracy I'd have never gotten into anime and never spent a cent on it or related materials.
You never bought local license ones? How many years have you watched anime?
As I said, printed media in Japan is generally pretty cheap.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's partly why events like Comiket can exist in the first place, it must be relatively inexpensive to get your shit printed too.
So I'm curious: Has there ever been a huge effort from Japanese companies to address or even acknowledge the popularity of their content outside of their country?
It's always seemed like they've just never paid much attention to it and let their distribution companies handle it for the meager profits they obtain from it.
I would lose interest in watching anime if it was implemented severely. Being a poor fag, I could never afford buying the dvd/bd. Their lose if I get a job to support a day habit in the future after my lost of interest.
Too bad Japan, its never going to happen.
They are aware there is some level of popularity in the West, but they don't think it enough to get seriously involved in the market. Which is why companies like Funimation can continue to exist.
(Not that anon)
Besides TV airings for some things, there's never been a single anime or manga licensed in my country, so I've never bought anything.
I did, at some point, acquire VHS tapes for certain series from
Spain, and a lot of stuff is licensed there nowadays, but I honestly don't feel any sort of drive to "support" a non-local licensing company (which is why I've never gotten anything from CPM, Geneon, Sentai (Fuck FUNi) or the like), not to mention the absurdly high rates for shipping. I recall that the old ADV Gasaraki set would have been almost double the price due to the fees alone (The exchange rates from U$D to my local currency are partly to blame).
I mean, I do love it when companies keep my country in mind: When battle of Gods premiered on Cinemas, I was there despite more-pricey-than-usual ticket, and when Legend of Sanctuary premiers on cinemas later this year (I heard this from the dub director himself) you can be damn sure I'll be there.
But otherwise? No, I don't care.
Besides, I'm terrible when it comes to re watching stuff, even things I like, so paying money for something I'll most likely never touch again or at least not any time soon is not exactly an attractive prospect.
Idiots, they can do a hell of a lot of damage this time as they have the backing of the government. Until now it's been solo companies and a few lawyers going around sending C&Ds. The manga crackdown of 2010 only had the backing of shueisha, now every studio and company is joining hands with the government.
Whatever is coming will make the disaster of 2010 from which we never recovered from and the fall of megaupload to seem like a walk in the park in comparison.
the manga thing is a bit complicated as you can bet the localizer charge extra for license fee and translation.
western comic cost around the same, although we have colored but less colors.
Maybe this will teach the scanlation scene a good lesson and make them switch to torrents, since megaupload's death was not enough.
Even if nyaa was targeted and somehow killed the torrents and magnet links are still there, and it would be trivial to replace it.
If TPB is still here after all these years, even after arrests have even been made, I don't think governments can really do anything about torrents. There's always a country to host in that doesn't give a shit about it.
>When battle of Gods premiered on Cinemas,
I pirated the shit out of that and regret watching it, since it was a huge ad for upcoming DB crap, what ripoff, I should have been paid for watching it.
>mfw Japan has literally turned the taxpayer funded police into corporate lapdogs to enforce criminalized copyright infringement and it still won't ever stop
>all this anti-piracy rhetoric only makes me want to pirate more and buy less out of spite
I went to see BoG expecting some humor, action and overall having a good time.
And I did.
When people complain about how disappointing they found the movie, I honestly scratch my head thinking what they were expecting out of DB.
Considering that the vast majority of them are on another continent in a market that the anime industry doesn't give a fuck about, at least 99% of those downloaders wouldn't even have access to whatever it is they're downloading.
Without the interest that fansubs had created, nobody would have even known about anime outside of a small few that get butchered for local markets elsewhere. Nobody caring about anime = Crunchyroll getting no shekels to legitimately provide content in the first place.
Hey, it's not that bad anymore.
I'll always chuckle when I hear someone saying that a city had 200 violent deaths during the year and that's considered high, when there used to be months when we had 5 times that in a capital city and everyone just shrugged their shoulders.
Still no anime or manga, though.
I'm not a hoarder. I only maintain series that I liked enough to rewatch/reread every 6 months without ever getting tired of it. Of those, I hardly have 10GB of it. Anything else it's just cheap thrills, meant to be consumed swiftly and discarded just as fast.
Don't bring this nigger here. This fucker was the worst enemy of file sharers and completely 180 when it was the public opinion was getting to his ass. Also
Missed the point. Once artists can no longer profit, the only viable jobs will be trades and other jobs that require the person.
>he's a nice college professor, I think i'll pirate him
>this archetype is wonderful, i will pirate him to renovate my house
>he's a good electrician/plumber/auto mechanic, I will pirate him
>she's an excellent accountant, I will pirate her
>this chef is amazing, I'll just pirate his food
Not possible. Vs
>this game/movie/album/painting/anime/tv show/book etc is great, so i'll pirate it
Artists never really did. The bigger comic book writers and artists and character creators, with the sole exception of Stan Leetard, barely made a dime out of their creations, while DC and Marvel were profiting big time. Plus, most artists, now and always, never could score big or never cared enough to try it, so they continued with regular jobs, doing their art as an hobby.
So /a/, how do I go about creating an Archive? I mostly just download modern released, and delete once they get old, keeping only the select few I really like. But I want to start archiving them, getting all the anime possible, sorting them by year and all.
Where do I begin? How should I organize them, and how big of an external hard drive should I get?
>I mean do you really think the majority of painters actually sell enough of their art to pay their mortgage, food, etc.?
This is why we need welfare, folks. Not more corporates.
>Well then piracy has won. Congrats, one can no longer live off of their talent because of entitled Americans like you.
The majority of artists never fully lived off their work. That's the way it's been for fucking centuries. 95% of them worked day jobs, lived in their mum's basement or were shut away in a madhouse where they had plenty of free time. The remaining tiny minority did alright off of sales and patronage, but that's not particularly relevant when discussing the state of artists as a whole. Anyway, a minority of super-popular artists will remain able to survive off their art. Celebrity culture is entrenched enough that the top tiny popular percent will always do okay.
For example, consider painters, especially from about 1850 to 1930. Those fucks' paintings didn't even become valuable in the slightest until years after they were dead. What were they doing while they were alive? Not making any fucking money from their art. It's always been that way, piracy's not going to destroy some sacred self-sufficient "artist" subculture.
I never advocated for corporations. I'm quite wary of welfare though.
What do you mean? Work 8 hours a day and use your free time to paint or something. I work all the time, but I still find plenty of time to shitpost on 4chan.
Skill-based professions will eventually be replaced entirely by automated systems, but that's irrelevant. People don't initially pirate because they like the content, but because there's a problem with the distribution channels that are (or aren't) available to them. High price, DRM, localization, whatever it may be. CR is a poor distributor because they use awful encoding, poor translations, and don't give a lot of freedom to viewers in how they can stream their content. Publishers and distributors that react appropriately to piracy and don't calculate everything as "lost sales" have the potential to thrive, e.g. >>111228529.
You're a really poor troll, by the way.
If anyone actually read the article, this shit is targeted at Chinks bootlegging their shit more than westerners
They really don't give a shit about us
China is a lot larger of a market for their goods than we are
Just look at how many visual novels get translated into Chinese while we get nothing
The way I go about it is I think "would I be devastated or at least significantly put out if, for some reason, I was never able to watch this again if I didn't stash it away somewhere?". Shows that make that cut get a spot in the raid array.
In an ideal world, someone creates a product, and if that product is good, people pay for it. The people who create the best product or poses the most wanted skills make the most money. Too bad pirates had to ruin this wonderful system of capitalism.
Art in general is. You spend so much time actually just getting to fucking startline that, when you actually do and it's finally the time to actually have some fun, you already grew tired of it. Talking from experience here.
No, just time. If you're able to dick away your life shitposting every evening after finishing your shitty 9-5 soul-killing job, you're damn well able to pick up a paintbrush or a pen
if we weren't all useless sacks of shit
Which ultimately means there is something wrong with the way they distribute. It doesn't necessarily have to be the quality of the content they distribute, be it encoding or translation. Price, access, quality? They still force you to watch episodes through their shitty Flash player. It's different for every user and I'm sure there are other reasons.
People need to get on board with the way things are now. You don't sell a product anymore, you sell the rights to third parties who will stream it on the end user's TV for a cheap sub fee. This is the future of all media. People will pay this small fee because it's practically nothing, and it's more convenient for them than torrenting. No waiting.
You aren't everybody. Some people enjoy painting and do so as a hobby. Just walk into any fucking local art shop and you can see this. Just because you got sick of it doesn't mean that everyone else did. Jesus.
Maybe art, or that specific form of art, just isn't for you. The point is there are obviously people out there who enjoy it enough for its own sake to spend their free time on it. That's been true for about as long as art has existed.
>lalalalalala my fingers are in my ears lalalalala can't hear you lalalala
Get a clue kiddo. The other day I was in NYC driving around aimlessly. I went by Little Italy and I saw this pizza place. I went in, said "how much for a large pepperoni?" Dude said $20. Sweet, I waited, got my pizza, handed him the money. BOOM. Smooth, clean, mutually beneficial transaction. He made my pizza, and he got PAID for it. This is how the world should work. But thieves like you ruin everything.
I never said everyone was like me. I was telling what my experiences were, because people seem to have this perception that art it's easy, at least where I come from.
Of course, it doesn't necessarily need any publishers or anything. If you can financially support the artists directly, then it's fine. But it doesn't happen most of the time, and nobody tries doing that. Instead, publishers act similarly to Soviet art committees and dictate whatever it is should be done by the artists. Or else it's debt time.
Fair enough, but don't conflate not easy with not enjoyable. The original point was that people are perfectly capable of working a fulltime job and still having time to produce art, which is demonstrably true.
Conceptually speaking, artistic product/objects are not the same with economic product. Economical value is accidental to artistic products. Of course it can, but it is treated as an economic product.
>lalalalalala my fingers are in my ears lalalalala can't hear you lalalala
>Copying media is the same as physically stealing something
If I can't buy that pizza, I won't steal it, but if I can somehow get an exact copy without taking away that man's and making it impossible for him to sell it to those who'd actually pay for it, then why not?
Also, the way you write bother me greatly, for some reason.
>We need welfare to ensure that painters, DJs, musicians, animators and directors who contribute nothing to society can still push out trite nonsense.
>inb4 paintings have any value besides kindling
It sounds like you need to branch out more. I felt that way a while ago while I was trying to do something that wasn't very enjoyable, even though it was definitely artistic. I moved around and experimented with different things until I hit on a form of art I could genuinely enjoy spending time on. Give it a shot.
>but if I can somehow get an exact copy without taking away that man's
You can already do this, by baking a pizza of your own.
This is basically exactly what piracy is.
What people don't want to acknowledge is that "intellectual property" is literally nothing but the government selling your personal freedoms to the highest bidder.
If I am a retard for believing that people should be paid for their product, then I will gladly be a retard. Only poorfags think otherwise so it's not like your thoughts on this topic matter anyway. Go wait for your next welfare check.
Seriously, I don't want to demean anime I enjoy it very much, but to say the producers of some of these shows see it as an ad for the manga and figures and other merchandise is fairly accurate. You think they'd take any free advertising they could get in that case.
They do get paid by people who don't want to jump through hoops to get a copy of their product. Which is why the best way to counteract piracy is providing a more convenient and value-added service to your potential customers so that they can easily pay for and obtain your product without resorting to piracy. That's the reason Steam is so successful.
But what if you're not the demographic target?
Anime is a great example of this.
I've never watched Princess Knight simply because I don't feel like buying the DVDs, nor from Japan or Nozomi Ent.
So what If someone decides to upload it and I watch it then?
Who's being affected? Who's losing sales?
Not Japan, definitively, and neither Nozimi.
Sorry if I will sound like a dick, but I don't see any point of me doing that. I'm only interested in a very small subset of the art spectrum. Everyone else can enjoy all of it if that's what they want and more power to them if they do, but, personally, I'm not interested. If can't enjoy the small subset I'm interested in, I can't any real reason for to participate in the arts' field.
>implying people don't already to that with 3D printers.
That's the thing though, even the TV stations who are missing ad revenue aren't really because most of the people downloading don't live where the show is broadcast, unless you watch live streams of everything which obviously no sane person does.
It seems tough to justify it being a bad thing
>implying you can walk into a gun store and magically replicate a gun for essentially no cost while leaving the original
I can't wait until I turn 30 and get wizard powers, too.
>"It is OK to steal as long as you never intended to pay in the first place."
There's so much simplification from your post. You're treating as if every economic transaction doesn't have what is usually called 'market' and any distributing agents. You're treating as if economic relationships solely involve producers and consumers (micro-market). This is terribly insufficient. Another one that I mentioned was you didn't count the value of currencies, which would fuck up the transaction evaluation. Dude said 20$, but what if it's a huge amount for a real 'food' product?
We're only talking about microeconomics here. If it's macro then your example gets worse.
>You're treating as if economic relationships solely involve producers and consumers (micro-market).
And that's the way it was. That is the way it should be. My post conveys this point just fine.
Did you watch Outbreak Company from HS? The typesetting was very good and so were the translations. Whoever did that needs to be hired back. Clearly they don't work at CR anymore with what passes as a release these days.
You missed the opportunity to make a good joke
Is creating stupid comparisons that completely miss the point the only way you people can argue about piracy?
No, raping me would greatly hurt both physically and psychologically, but if you could somehow create an exact replica of my asshole, which in no way would actually affect me, then yes, rape it to your heart's content.
>mfw this faggot wants you to pay a royalty every time you sing happy birthday
>punishments of up to 10 years in prison for uploaders, knowingly downloading copyright-infringing material became an offense carrying a potential two years in jail
If this isn't fucked up I don't know what is.
The internet generation everyone. I am glad I will be dead by the time you little fucks start to have influence
>the man worked, and he deserves to be paid
No, work does not automatically equal value. Value is determined by what people are willing to pay. No matter how hard you work, if no one's willing to pay you for it then it's worth jack shit.
Let's have a fair comparison here
If downloading anime is like copying a gun from a gunsmith without giving him any money in return, paying for a service like CR is like renting plastic replicas of the same gun and hoping that the middlemen don't put too much of that money in their pockets before it reaches the original creator.
We can push the metaphor even further :
The gunsmith also refuses to sell his guns with a translated manual in your country, instead he insists on contracting local distributors who will delay the release of his products to add a billion useless gadgets you'll never use or that make the gun unusable. When you buy one of these, a good chunk of your money is used to finance the design of more useless gadgets for guns.
If you want the original thing you have to import it, but unfortunately only 1 out of 100 guns have a multi-language manual included. And that manual is just a post-it.
Meanwhile the people from the country where the guns are made can go to a shooting range and test them for a very small fee before buying them.
Perfect market will never happen unless all people have equal opportunity in every market they meet, which factually never happen too.
The only ones who think like this are the Austrian schools, who are as deluded as the Marxists they criticized. It can't be falsified by any means whatsoever.
>waaah i dont want to work i want everything for free i deserve it
>why are you entitled to everything you want even though you dont want to pay?
>BECAUSE I AM
how exactly are you different from welfare bums
cute girl in space doing cute thing on a holodeck probably.
>Perfect market will never happen unless all people have equal opportunity in every market they meet, which factually never happen too.
Fucking this. The language barrier alone makes the sort of thing the japs want impossible. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REASONABLY WATCH THESE SHOWS.
But I work anon, and I create creative content myself. Still, people who dont plan to buy can watch the shit if they want, I dont care.
People who are to poor to buy it can watch it too, and thats okay.
Honestly the gunsmith can just pirate the components to make the gun and pirate the food they want to eat.
The simple solution is for everyone to become pirates and invest on pirating technology. We can start the golden age of Piracy!
>Cute convicts doing cute convicts things
Finally a use for this image.
Not to mention if you live in a country where no company has ever actually taken up the job of distributing said guns locally, so you have to import them from the country or origin (which you can't use due to the instructions being in a another language) or from some other region when they're actually distributed, but in both cases, importing said gun would cost you just as much as the product itself, due to the exorbitant shipping/handling rates, and the conversion ratings for your home country's currency.
That will never happen, but at the rate we're going, the post you're responding to is a very possible future. Since you guys think that for some reason, you are entitled to everything.
What if the sky suddenly turned green? What if gravity suddenly reversed itself. Best not to ask questions you'll never have answers too. People will always assign value to things, despite the fact that nothing has any intrinsic "value" to it, because it's a hardwired survival trait. The question of how much value something has is probably the most subjective thing you can ask as nothing has the exact same value to any two people. There is nothing inherently wrong with someone who think that nothing has value, the only result of that view is that he will have difficulty living a modern life style.
Again, you people need to stop generalizing so much.
If I want clothes, a house or food, I'm gonna have to buy them, there's no other way.
Stealing is not an option because I'd be TAKING AWAY someone else's stuff.
But digital media?
If I don't plan to ever shell out money for something, I can perfectly make a COPY of that for myself without actually taking anything away from the original creator.
He can still sell it to those who'd be willing to pay for it, and nothing would actually be lost for him, since, as I mentioned earlier, I would have never given any money for it.
Well God can take care of us and stuff and develop a new kind of economic system.
Well I'm happy I'm a leech then because it means I don't have to pay $500 to sing some happy birthday.
>If I don't plan to ever shell out money for something, I can perfectly make a COPY of that for myself without actually taking anything away from the original creator.
You shouldn't have it then. You aren't entitled to something you do not want to pay for. If you can't afford it or don't want to pay, well then you shouldn't have it. It's outside of your means. It's a luxury you cannot afford.
>Stealing is not an option because I'd be TAKING AWAY someone else's stuff.
Well, to be serious, that's not the issue. The issue is the 'potential' customers, because piracy fuck up their market speculations. Something that they may plan to get in the future. Real production is not the issue.
Every time the "stealing from the artists" argument comes up, nobody ever mentions the existing second-hand market for books, art, vidya, whatever.
File sharing is EXACTLY LIKE craigslist, book-off, libraries, etc, except better since the "seller" gets to keep their copy, you get your copy for free, and the cost of actually transferring the bits is amortized across the network. How is that not strictly an improvement?
>That will never happen
Oh, but it does. Unproductive make-work "solutions" happen all the time in lots of poorly planned economies. For example in North Korea, grass is inefficiently cut by hand scissors, and streets are cleaned with hand rags. Pointless make-work that has no real value.
You can make a copy. Why shouldn't you have it if you can copy it?
Also, poorfags can copy whatever the fuck they want, they are poor at least leave them this joy, you piece of shit.
That's silly because there's no way of knowing whether a pirate would be customer at any point. Hell if I couldn't pirate stuff there's a shit ton of stuff I would have never bought because I wouldn't have been exposed to it otherwise.
Which is why more and more these artists and their owner companies are cracking down on the used market. See video games, movies, e-books, basically all digital forms of media.
I think it's more retarded to pay for something when you can get something for free with the same level of quality. It's the question of morals, not intelligence. Economically speaking, a human would always go for as little work as possible, with as much benefits as possible.
If I was in Brazil I would. Black market PCs are all the rage over there.
I'd kill for a 3D printer that could actually read Gerber data or even just cut/pattern a PCB. Affordable ones are many years off.
>Not pay, more like Thanks for downloading our HQ anime! While we prepare your download, just watch our ads!
But what does that do for them? They don't get enriched for that at all.
That is the complete opposite of the truth. Piracy exposes more people to art than ever before, and creates more potential consumers than any advertising campaign ever could. Musicians in particular have thrived because of it. Piracy grows art exponentially by broadening the sphere of influence and general awareness among the population.