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Alright what does /a/ think of Devilman?
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It was fucking dumb.
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The manga was alright, but you got to remember it came out in the fucking 70's. It was ahead of it's time in some ways
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdYe5Jx1p98
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I really enjoyed it's animation. Still looks great even today.
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>>110870905
dat ending
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>>110870905
Ended up inspiring shit WAAAAAY better than it was.
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Satan was best girl
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10/10 ign
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>>110870905
I like the mango and the first two OVAs.
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>>110871268
Evangelion sucks.
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>>110871520
Berserk doesn't.
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Even though it's dated in some ways, the manga's great. I'm not super knowledgeable about the history of manga, but I've always felt that it represents something of a turning point. As Devilman graduates from its rough and silly beginnings, so too does the entire medium.
Or something like that.
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The OVA was pretty fun although the first one was genuinely good the others were kind of corny.
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>>110871591
that last volume must have been pretty fucking shocking to read in the 70's
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>>110871550
Berserk isn't even over. It doesn't even have a definitive ending.

Devilman on the other hand is a short story with a clear message.

You're comparing a fable-like story to a long running crime novels.
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>>110870905
Enjoy your cp.
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>>110871708
>Berserk
>long running crime novels

u wot
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>>110871708
doesn't change the fact that it was inspired by devilman. You're thinking too much into it... Calm down.
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>>110871708
Yet I can still say that The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant are better than Jack and the Beanstalk.
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>>110871591
The story is not dated.

You can retell the same story over and over again because the themes that Devilman present will still be relevant in the centuries to come.

It's like the story of Adam and Eve.
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GOAT manga next to Dragon Ball
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>>110871866
Long running series are more often meant to entertain readers over a long period of time than to give a moral lesson about the human condition.

That's why their stories aren't comparable.

Also, Kentarou Miura never said he was influenced specifically by Devilman. He only said he liked the works of Go Nagai, and Devilman isn't even his most famous series.
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Silene/Sirene is best grill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzXBcLK4MR0
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>>110870905
Loved the manga ending
desperate for violence jack translations
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>>110872186
Yeah, I really like all the Cutey Honey influence in Berserk.
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When is moot going to get rid of them email field and replace it with a sage button?
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>>110872265
Nagai did more than just Cutie Honey and Devilman. He worked actually a lot on other fantasy and sci fi manga.
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Pretty sure Devilman Lady inspired Berserk more than Devilman, what with all that weird demon rape.
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Here's the Devilman Japanese web novel online. It has an interesting site layout. Worth a visit.

http://devilman.nuro.jp/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39e5uQsby0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ZjX2PB0d4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqWrF_6-ibI
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Devilman is a fun classic. Just got into it recently and actually like it a lot more than Berserk.

The last volume felt a bit rushed, but I rather that than the drawn-out shit we have today.
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>>110871326
You are not wrong.
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>>110873455
too bad he ended as dog people
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So why did Satan need Devilman?
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>>110874834
He wanted Akira to be fused with a demon (Amon) so he could become a Devilman and be strong enough to survive the demon apocalypse. Why?
Love.

Anyway, about OP's question:
I really loved the manga and the OVAs, but on the other hand, I think the Amon manga went to shit after the first volume.

Unrelated fact: Until I got into the franchise, I would have never imaged just how goddamn popular Sirene is with Japanese fanbase, seriously.
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>>110876199
>Love

what
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>>110876257
Satan is a hermaphrodite being, and, while he experienced life as a human as Ryo, he fell in love with Akira and unconsciously pulled some strings to make sure he survived.
Seriously, how can you not know this?
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>>110876257
Did you not read the manga?
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>>110876376
>>110876630
gay
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>>110876699
No shit?
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>>110873543
>Violence Jack

No, he ended as two chicks but then became one and kicked Michael's ass with her husbando.
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>>110870905
Yokoi-chan?
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>>110874834

She didn't. Satan fell in love with Akira under her amnesiac disguise as Ryo Asuka, who fell for wimpy Akira in those two years they spent together (unlike Miki who just liked him when he was demonic and hotter). Because of this, Amon, the demon supposed to wear him as a suit dies and he takes his power (in the realities Satan/Ryo doesn't exist, Akira DIES and is Amon who is wearing his skin). Love makes one does stupid things.

Of course, Ryo pretends he wants to manipulate and use Akira because can't spit out he's in love with him with misleads Akira into rage and hurt of betrayal which led to the final battle "of love and hate" between them. One too proud to seek him, another too angry to speak.

They made up in the sequel.
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>>110870905
>[email protected]
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>>110876630
Reminder that the middle head is the Devilbeast who obsesses over Jun and Ran (even kisses Jun) so he's actually jealous as fuck about losing the Satano wl.
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>>110878251
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay~
well we got Silen so its ok.
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>>110878378

It's not gay when Satan can shift into full woman when she wants: technically Satan is feminine and dainty in contrast to her twin, Michael, who is buff and masculine. Gender ambiguity holds true with Akira, in the AU Violence Jack, one of his splits is a woman. Go Nagai loves this.

Sirene also is resurrected in the sequel, Devilman Lady, along with all the demon. She's taken over the body of a chick who was in love with Jun, the Devilman Lady/Satan.
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>>110878378
You can't stop true love.

Sirene and Kaim are brought back to life at the end of Lady. Felt good. Unironically, their vessels are people who suffered unrequited love.
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>>110878545
I know little cuddleball, I've even read Devilman Quantum Leap.
it made me took the habit to pass as true the Hitler girlfriend story. a great way to troll WW2fags
>>110878674
>Sirene and Kaim
Otp of a lifetime. one day Nagai will deliver the shipment of love.
I'm sure.
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Hey Adolf! Adolf Hitler!
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>>110878790
My sides were pulverized
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>>110878759
Hitler did nothing wrong. I admit I wanted the time travel adventures to last more. They were fun.

Maybe someday Sirene will move on from the shadow of Amon. ;_;
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>>110878790
>>110878827

How did /pol/ react?
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>>110878909
No, I do it irl. people with decent internet capabilities would pierce through my lies in an instant
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>>110879055
>cranium wing muscles
this means her ears smell like armpits?
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>>110879259

She's a demon, her smell will be different than common animals.
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>>110879477
Since I saw Silen the first time when I was a kid, I started to have a strange attraction to bird claws.
I used to molest my uncle's blackbird for hours touching its tiny feet. I tried with chickens, but its not the same, they have dull nails
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>>110879607
It sounds like you have found your birdfu
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I finished the original story.
Are the other versions worth to read? Also is Devilman Lady any good?
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>>110880644
Shin Devilman. Intersequel which involves Ryo and Akira time travel adventures. Meeting Hitler and Jeanne D'Arc and Akira being oblivious Ryo's onto him.
Read Neo Devilman chapter 5. Which explains how Ryo and Akira met and Akira's last thoughts before he croaks which matter in Devilman Lady.
Devilman Lady the sequel, which is full of demon rape, but wadding through that and the initial impression you'll find out it's not an AU genderswap but the sequel.

Devilman Lady is Satan.
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>>110880644
Devilman Lady start was weak but got stronger once Akira ghost appears and shit gets Devilman If you want a sorta happier conclusion to the story, I would suggest you to read what this anon says: >>110880787

That's of the official main continuity. Alternate one official is Violence Jack, but it wasn't fully translated.

If you like darker and edgier AU, there's Amon. If you like Miki, there's a manga Devilman G that is the Miki show (she's pretty sidelined in general in the main continuity). There are other spin offs, but I only recommend you Nagai's stuff.
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>>110880787
>>110880997
thanks it'll worth to read then
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>>110881406

Adolf ;_;
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>>110881406

My pleasure.
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>>110870905
Its what got me into anime+manga
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>you will never fuck a dickgirl demon creator god
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overrated edgy shit.
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>>110882539
overrated edgy post
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>>110880997
>That's of the official main continuity. Alternate one official is Violence Jack, but it wasn't fully translated.
Except there's no alternate continuity, Violence Jack fits between Devilman and Devilman Lady, then Shin Violence Jack happens after everything.
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>>110882539
>trying this hard
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>>110870905
is that shadow the hedgehog
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dat rape scene in violence jack
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>>110883208
Anyone have that Devilman G's page of Miki slashing Ryo's knock-off?
That mangaka really loves his waifu
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It's on the chart so it must be good.
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>>110889635
Which one?
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>>110889860
Well it is Devilman.
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>>110883208
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>>110890503
I lost my shit.
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>>110889860
Whoever made that chart is a colossal retard.

The year 2000 is part of the 20th century. That's why it's called the 20th century. Holy fucking shit.
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>>110891199
Very intelligent criticism. However, you'll notice that every anime listed is in the 20th century, and those in 1999 stretch into 2000. So perhaps you are the retarded one.
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>>110891348
And anime started in 2000 would still be part of the 20th century.

Thanks for contributing nothing, idiot.
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>>110891396
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I still haven't got over what happened to his love interest in the third movie, and I knew it was coming.
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>>110891396
Since you say the year 2000-2001 is the 20th century, is the year from 0000-0001 considered the zeroth century?
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>>110891913
There is no year 0, dumbass. And 2001 is not the 20th century, but an anime that starts in 2000 is a 20th century anime.
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>>110891860
>in the third movie
Anon, the third OVA isn't even adapting the original source material, you're missing out. Read the manga.
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>>110892034
The fuck is an OVA? Here in freedomland we call them TV movies.
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>>110892001
>There is no year 0
Says who? You don't start at one.
>And 2001 is not the 20th century,
Let me rephrase. Anime airing in the year 2000 to the year 2000 and 364 days is not 21st century anime. Therefore, hypothetically would anime airing in the year 0 to the year 0 and 364 days not be 1st century anime?
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>>110892156
OVAs are not TV movies, newfriend.
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>>110872841
tfw we'll never have a loyal anime in the original style
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>>110892169
>Says who?
Everyone in the world
>You don't start at one.
Yes you do. If you were in year 0, that means no time has passed. The first year starts with the first day.

That's why the 1700s is known as the 18th century, etc. Damn you're retarded. You can't even into basic logic that is the basis of the human calendar system.
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>>110892156
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation
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>>110892156
>The fuck is an OVA?
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>>110892274
You can't say that it's year 1 until one year has passed in the calendar system. Therefore, until one year has passed it would only be counted in days, with zero years having passed so far. Prove me wrong without saying "hurr everyone else agrees with ME" and provide an actual citation or tell me where my logic is wrong.
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Devilman is my favorite manga, hands down. I also really enjoyed all of the OVAs, even Amon (though I could have done without the beamspam fights).

>>110871550
Berserk is great, Devilman is still better. Like >>110871708 said, Devilman benefits from its short length and just how concise everything is.
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>>110892513
>You can't say that it's year 1 until one year has passed in the calendar system
Wrong. You're in the first year as soon as time discernible time starts. The first year ends after 365 days.

That's literally how the calendar system works. It makes perfect sense and is used around the world by humanity. You are a just a retard and can't understand it. I mean seriously, it's already done. It's the official calendar system. You are literally wrong. I'm sorry.
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>>110892266
When did the copyright change from Dynamic Productions to Dynamic Planning? It's like that on the Devilman Nuro thing too.

>>110892335
You were only pretending to be retarded, right.
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>>110892636
>Dynamic Productions to Dynamic Planning
Dynamic Productions and Planning have always coexisted. They're two different departments.
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>>110892696
Never seen the second before, thanks for clearing that up.
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>>110892696
They're like the right and left pockets on Nagai's pants, if you get what I mean
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>>110892630
>You're in the first year as soon as time discernible time starts
Yeah, the first year is from year 0 to year 0 364 days, while the second year is year 1 to year 1 364 days and so on. It works exactly like, as you said, "1700s is known as the 18th century, etc." just on a smaller scale.
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>>110892866
HOLY CUNT THIS CALENDAR CRAP MUST STOP
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>>110892929
What the hell did he smoke, Psychogenie's armpit hair?
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>>110892866
Wow, you're an idiot.

>the first year is from year 0 to year 0
The 1st year is 0. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
>while the second year is year 1
The 2nd year is 1. You're a genius.

>It works exactly like, as you said, "1700s is known as the 18th century, etc." just on a smaller scale.

No, it doesn't work. By you logic, Year 9 would be the end of a decade and year 10 would be the start of the a new decade.

In the real world (aka non retards) the first 365 days is the first year and the 10th year would be a decade, meaning the next decade would start on year 11 and end on 20.
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>>110893036
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This went from discussing Devilman to discussing years.
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>>110893323
Autism will do that to you.
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>>110893171
>By you logic, Year 9 would be the end of a decade and year 10 would be the start of the a new decade.
Correct. To not confuse you anymore, I'll write it like this. From 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 is the first year of the calendar. After, it turns to 1 Jan 0001 to denote that one full year has passed, and is now the start of the second year. Following, the tenth year would end on 31 Dec 0009, with makes 1 Jan 0010 the eleventh year and the start of a new decade.
Are you able to control how obnoxious you are or is that just in your nature?
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>>110893323
They travel through time in Shin Devilman so it's relevant.
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>>110893521
Man, you're a retard. This is why our calendar system wasn't created by fools like you.

>From 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 is the first year of the calendar
That doesn't make any sense. Year 0 would be before the start of time because 0 is the representation of a absence of something. Once time starts, you are in the midst of the first year. After 365 days, that first year ends and the second year begins.

You are seriously stupid. I'm really surprised that you can't grasp the concept, given that you're factually wrong.
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So does the manga end like the OVA with him killed by the bird-woman or not?
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what the hell is this
http://nickinamerica.deviantart.com/art/Wrath-of-The-Devilman-First-Page-464110258
why Devilman is a magnet for these people
>>110893299
>Akira, I...
that fucking smirk
>>110893323
>>110893426
Old people do this also. sooner or later Nagai threads will be about how once air wasn't polluted and heatlh issues
>>110871326
I need sauce on this hot infernal wiener
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>>110893717
Nope. not at all.
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>>110893673
>Year 0 would be before the start of time because 0 is the representation of a absence of something.
No and yes. Year 0 is not "before the start of time". Yes, 0 is a representation of an absence of something, that "something" being the full number of years which have passed.
>Once time starts, you are in the midst of the first year. After 365 days, that first year ends and the second year begins.
Yes, that's what I said. You don't count the first year as being completed (i.e. 0001) until the full year has passed, which means until then it will be denoted as 0000.
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>>110893874
>>110893673
But seriously, are you two fucking stupid or what? go cybering in the meteorological IRC channel please, no one fucking cares
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>>110893874
It's kind of a sad that you probably think you're being intelligent or insightful.

>Yes, 0 is a representation of an absence of something, that "something" being the full number of years which have passed.
No, you are in the first year. It's not a absence of years. By your logic, the number of the year wouldn't change unless the year was over (year 2 wouldn't start until the beginning of year 3).

>You don't count the first year as being completed (i.e. 0001) until the full year has passed, which means until then it will be denoted as 0000.
No, it's the first year. A year isn't just a year once it's done. A year represents the stretch of time between 1 day and 365 days.

There's so many logical fallacies in your statements. You're not very good at this whole logic thing.
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Shitty rushed ending.
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>>110893717
You can't even imagine.
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>>110894128
You mean "shitty rushed endings" since that scene has been redrawn at least once every spinoff and sequel
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>>110893717
He wasn't killed in the OVA.
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>>110894098
>No, you are in the first year. It's not a absence of years
Yes, you're in the first year. However, that year is not denoted as having passed (i.e. written as 0001) until the period from 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 has passed. There is an absence of full years which have passed until, obviously, a full year has passed, which is why it's written as 0000.
>A year isn't just a year once it's done.
It is only counted as one once it is has fully passed.
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>>110894406
>However, that year is not denoted as having passed (i.e. written as 0001) until the period from 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 has passed.

No. You keep saying the same things, but they're just as wrong as they were 10 posts ago.

Here's your exact logical fallacy:
>a year doesn't happen until it ends
This is wrong. A year starts as the first day/second/attosecond/whatever.
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>>110884427
No, it doesn't, if you actually read Lady and Violence Jack they don't fit at all.

Shit is on Satan's doing in Violence Jack, which CONTRADICTS Lady, because it's Michael's doing who took over after Devilman ending.

Shin Violence Jack has zero to do with Lady ending too and all to do with Violence Jack ending. They are separated continuities. Dog Miki is a character for instance who features in Violence Jack.

>>110893761
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=43935173
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>>110893717

Akira isn't killed in the OVA. In the manga, he fights Satan and is killed then he's brought back to life by Satan in Lady.
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>>110894821
I wish people would shut up about Violence Jack and finally realize that it's a story that includes ALL of Nagai's character up until that point as a kind of all-star crossover world. It has nothing to do with Mazinger Z, Devilman, Harenchi Gakuen, etc etc.
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CARENDU FAGS GO HOMU
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>>110894935
>I wish people would shut up about Violence Jack
So it you just glossed over the fucking ending? Sex Slave Ryo becomes Satan, Violence Jack gets his memories as Akira Fudoh back and they start fighting right then and there over Slum King’s corpse.
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>>110894592
>>a year doesn't happen until it ends
I didn't say that. Use exact quotes when you rebut.
>A year starts as the first day/second/attosecond/whatever.
Correct. However, it is not counted as complete until it completes. You have not refuted this at all. You keep ignoring all the points I make and you rephrase and warp all points I've made to fit your argument. You're childish and couldn't help but through direct insults and passive aggressive remarks in nearly every one of your posts. You kept saying "retard" yet you could have shut both of us up by just posting a credible citation that the calendar did not start on 1 Jan 0000, yet you did not. Is it not you who is the actual retard? Anyway, since you're being uncooperative and distasteful I'll just stop arguing with you.

Sorry for shitting up the thread, but it's over now.
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>>110894935
People haven't read the manga or Lady, it's got nothing to do with each other and overlooks the arrival of the angel army at the end of devilman because as you said, it's just a wacky crossover and not a devilman sequel proper.

Still one of my favorite manga.
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>>110894821
Thanks mate
>>110895114
I misread it as "and they start fucking right then and there over Slum King’s corpse"
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>People discrediting Violence Jack as Devilman’s sequel.
Might be a case of lacking English scans, cause goddamn I’ve never seen so much misinformation contained within a Devilman thread.
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>>110895114

Because it's a crossover. Every Nagai character is there. Satan happens to be there too and gets the spotlight with Akira because they are Nagai's favorite.

Did you gloss over the fact it blatantly ignores God took over in the end of Devilman? Lady addressed Satan went back to Hell to cry as self exile. There's no connection to Violence Jack.

It's meant to be a crossover self-contained alternative reality for all Nagai's works.
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>>110895217
It's not a sequel, it was the product of Nagai's butthurt because he was mad Mazinger was more popular than Devilman.
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>>110895217
I read the shit in Japanese. It is not a sequel to Devilman. It's a crossover all of all Nagai's characters in a post-apocalyptic world.

>b-b-b-b-but I looked at the last pages of the raws and Jack turns into Devilman
It's a fucking crossover, you retard.
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>>110895295
Violence Jack originally ran for 48 Volumes, all the crossovers happened in the early / mid chapters, all the conections to Devilman got dropped in the late volumes, there was no silly things like Mazinger Z appearing and getting is ass kicked near the end, it was the legit Devilman sequel, same with Shin Violence Jack, one of the last works Nagai himself had drawn, devoid of any crossovers, still full of Devilman conections.
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>>110892156
Shit like this makes me leave /a/ and actually watch some anime.
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>>110895508

It's a crossover. Shin Violence Jack is a sequel to VIOLENCE JACK, so it takes after that end.

There's no connection with Devilman Lady or anything Go Nagai wrote with the name DEVILMAN on cover, except taking the original cast and put them in some situation for Violence Jack. That's why it's called Violence Jack and not Violence Devilman.

It's not Devilman.
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>>110895366
>b-b-b-b-but I looked at the last pages of the raws and Jack turns into Devilman
No, I got the Italian licensed print where it's detailed word by word on how Violence Jack's world came to be, from Satan Ryo's anguish over killing Akira, to him creating the Slum King, to becoming a Sex Slave in penance, to finding out Akira reincarnated, to becoming Satan again and resuming their fight yet again.
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>>110895508
>all the crossovers happened in the early / mid chapters
No, it's all the way through.
>all the conections to Devilman got dropped in the late volumes
No, they started from the first volume like all of the other crossovers.
>there was no silly things like Mazinger Z appearing
Mazinger Z was represented by Jim Mazinger.
>same with Shin Violence Jack, one of the last works Nagai himself had drawn, devoid of any crossovers
No, Shin Violence Jack continued the tradition of crossover. And Nagai hasn't stopped making manga, what the fuck are you smoking.
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>>110895347
Not only. Nagai isn't new to U-turns into series plot because he gets bored or series doesn't sell enough, see Lady when Akira ghost appears. probably he planned Jack as something separate, but one things leds to another and he ended up packing it togheter with the Devilman family. until now, the only things that are still separated from Devilman are Shutendoji and Mao Dante. and still, there are some strange convergencies. most probably, he just pulls the Devilman card out when he doesn't know anymore what to do, simply because fans will like it anyway for being part of the continuity. or not. well you got it.
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>>110895508

Those crossovers happened, you know: >>110895347

It was because of this. Violence Jack was Nagai wanking about Devilman being the best of his works and not a proper continuation, he didn't intent it to be. He wanted to make clear they were subordinate to this.

That's why every Devilman thing he wrote after the ending has zero connection with Violence Jack.
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>>110895617
It's a crossover. All of the is completely unrelated to the Devilman saga. It completely contradicts Devilman's direct sequel Devilman Lady.
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>>110895617
>trusting italian translators
Il peggio errore che puoi fare
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Threadly reminder that the best explanation of Nagaiverse is in the chibi Devilman ova.
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>>110895652
>Not only. Nagai isn't new to U-turns into series plot because he gets bored or series doesn't sell enough, see Lady when Akira ghost appears. probably he planned Jack as something separate

Not at all. Lady connected smoothly with his one shot in Neo Devilman where he explained years before Lady release their meeting and Akira's thoughts when he dies addressed STRAIGHTFORWARD in Lady. You know what's not addressed?

Nothing in Violence Jack. Akira mentions Devilman end. Angels took over as we saw they did at the end of Devilman.

Mao Dante of Lady has nothing to do with Mao Dante with Mao Dante, different guy, and the body of zenon. It's NOT a sequel of Mao Dante because of this.
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>>110895841
>Maho Dante
lol typos
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>>110895617

If Akira could reincarnate so easily, she wouldn't have done that plan in Devilman Lady. So where are the angels who arrive in Devilman end?

Explain that.
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>>110895841
Thank you. You'll notice there's no VIOLENCE JACK.

It's all DEVILMAN. And the official line is the one marked STRONGLY.
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>>110895841

Devilman in the Dark is about one of the beastmen right?
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>>110895841
Actually, I have never heard of at least one third of those.
>true devilman
>new devilman
>toushin
>devilman ghost
the fuck
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>>110896377
>>new devilman
Shin Devilman
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>>110896377

The canon stories are the ones written by Go Nagai. Devilman in the Dark is a volume that compiles chapter 5 of the first Neo Devilman volume and chapter 3 the second Neo Devilman volume.

I have not read ghost, but I heard is short story of Akira's adventures in Hell looking for muh satan and watching the new world before he stumbles upon Jun.
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>>110895841

Devilman Anime is a confirmed continuity, I guess Amon/Miki love story needed a good end too. Then in the manga, both are fucked over for Satan and Akira lovefest.
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>>110896608

It's an AU like Devilman Lady OVA is an AU of Devilman Lady manga. It's self contained in a different universe.

Now, the direct sequel to Devilman manga IS in fact Devilman Lady. Violence Jack fags getting the blown the fuck out.
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>>110896454
>>110896496
Thanks for the clarification.
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dat last big rape scene in evil town


such fluid animation....
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>>110896496

Devilman ghost was re-written and compiled in Devilman Lady, actually. It was a magazine special chapters, those that included Akira in the world (which were incorporated to how he explains shit to Jun) and his adventures to protect Jun as a ghost.

That's Devilman Ghost, it was assembled in Devilman Lady in the end.
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>>110896792
Ah the OVAs, to this day I can't put my finger why the hell Manga UK commited such a brash mistake in naming Harem Bomber as Harlem Bomber, that's Bing Translator level.
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>>110897158
Bing Translator is actually pretty decent, I prefer it when doing machine translations.
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>>110896193

Yes, it's the story of Akemi (the devilman killed by Devilman Liger), she's found by Akira in Hell. This seemly takes place before the last battle against Michael or Akira's full rebirth, he's half spiritual.

It's like an intersequel to Lady like Shinn Devilman is to Devilman.
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>>110897216
"Thanks for the cum!"

That's how Bing interpret "Thanks for the good work!"
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>>110897294
It fits
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>there'll never be a manga about Satan's and Akira's qt daughter or dashing son adventures

Why Nagai?
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>>110897294
Bing is excellent at translating lewd, with minimal quirks and decent grammar conversion.

Everything it does clearly wrong is easily learn-able, such as translating ? as boobs.
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>>110897350

Can Satan get pregnant? I thought Akira said darkness couldn't mix with light (that's why Ran and Jun weren't giving birth to babies after they were raped by demons).
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>>110897350
Nagai didn't even bother to finish Shin Violence Jack, either age caught up to him or he simply doesn't care and is chilling counting all the money his multiverse series brought to him.
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>>110897423

No, if we're talking of Devilman Akira. But in Devilman Lady, Akira is the spawn of Satan, so he can impregnate her I guess. Because his body is an angel, despite his appearance.

>Hermaphrodite Akira when
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>>110897503
>>Hermaphrodite Akira
No thank you
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Is there a greater love story?
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>>110897560

>doesn't like Jackie.

Shit taste. Imagine female Akira riding Ryo.
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>>110897680
>female
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>>110897680
>>110897503

I think that Satan prefers to be the "woman".
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>>110897680
It can't work, Akira is the quintessential manly protagonist
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>>110897771

The beauty of this couple is that you can make them hetero, gay, lesbo or in between. And it works.
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>>110897844

In Violence Jack, one of his 1/3 splits is a woman, though.

I guess is manlier than Satan.
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Kids watching tv anime sold they souls to future sexual confusion without even knowing.
if my dad knew about the manga he wouldn't have watched Devilman with me
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So what the hell did an ancient being like Satan see in Akira? Not even he could comprehend she/he care about him so much.
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>>110897989
Pretty asian eyelashes?
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>>110892552
I found the middle volumes of Devilman to be kind of weak IMO. Still a solid series though
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>>110897989

He's cute.
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>>110898077
You mean the monster of the week parts?
they have pretty good ideas behind too.
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>>110897989

He's the MC.

Also Zenon Pls Go
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>>110898136

That sounded like they were checking him out.
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>This entire sequence.
I was not ready for it.
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>>110898241
It sounded like he was setting Akira up. Ryo's presence in one area turns everyone gay.
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>>110897972

Ryo's not a character in the TV show, so it's ok.
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>>110898241
>everyone is gay in the school
Why I'm not surprised
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So Ryo went gay for Akira huh?
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>>110898313
He was supposed to be but was scrapped for some reason
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>>110897796
My friend calls Satan "Asuka" and it is the gayest shit
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>>110898298

Ryo hasn't fallen in love with him yet, though. He ironically friendzoned himself when he inserted in Akira's life.
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>>110898340

What could possibly give you this impression?
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>>110898371

Jun and Lan work too. "Lucy" would be appropriate.
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Devilman is the only Japanese nerd product I would call a masterpiece. I still find it amusing that it was mostly made up on the fly.

Can't really comment on the sequels and adaptations because I haven't seen/read them, I learned my lesson with Diebuster and Rebuild. If you really love something and that something gets a sequel/remake much later on, don't bother. They're always terrible and lessen your enjoyment of the original work.
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>>110898522
In this case they make it even more gay, see >>110898441
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>>110898493
It feels wrong
It feels like something one of those tumblr fujoshits would say since they appear to only like Satan in the form of Ryo Asuka and also have this persistence that it wants to be the masculine one in a relationship with Akira
This should not bother me as much as it should that they cannot see Satan as a willing cumdumpster
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>>110898522
>expecting anything from Gainax at any point in time
>not reading Lady
You got what you deserve
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>>110898646
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>>110898623

I favor his/her Satan form, both genders. But I lean on Satan being feminine to Akira in general: as always. Even Ryo had more eyelashes and was prettier than the girls of the manga.
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>>110898623
>not reading how Akira and Ryo met Hitler
>2014
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>>110898522
Well look, I'm of the same mind about derivative works, but there are exceptions where they have their merits as stand alone products, example : Diebuster is not a piece of history like Gunbuster but is still a great series, and for the hard work of the staff, not because it have a "gunbuster2" label on the box. Same about Nagai stuff, with the difference that everyting is pretty equal, and ultimately nothing goes back changing the sense of previous iterations.
also, it doesn't take itself very seriously. its all good fun and games
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>>110898241
Shit you're right.The other guy is even winking.
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>>110898840
Misfire >>110898522
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Why won't anyone translate Sirene-chan? 4 pages.
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>>110898731
>>110898646
>Crazy psycho lesbian
lel. but fuck Urobushit. deep in the ass. with a chainsaw. stuffed with C4
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>>110898623

Satan is the hottest form. Futa a best. It might be too my angel fetish.
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>>110898938
Diebuster would've been fine if it had nothing to do with Gunbuster.
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>>110899045

>This fandom
>translations

;_;
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>>110899198
I never saw any problem, they just reference it vaguely.
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>>110899198
Giving the buster machines a magical element was a bad idea
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>>110899157
Ran is best form
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>>110899157
>angel fetish
How heretical.
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>>110898646
>>110898731
Worst Devilman's rip-off ever
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>>110899383
that's Evangelion.
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My father died!
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>>110898749
I like to imagine Ryo/Satan as a really pushy/horny girl
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>>110899372
It's not heretical to want to fuck the Devil, anon.

>>110899327
I prefer short-hair+wing head. It's just fluffier.
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>>110899469

She's clingy and demanding but lets Akira top. That's how basically went with the Jun/Akira sex scene.
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>>110899430
My feather is deeeeead!
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>>110899157
Mah nigga
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>>110899427
Why can't we all get along?
Just like Nagai and Anno do
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>>110899469
>Dat jelly Miki
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I hate Clamp but what does /a/ think of their Devilman doujin?
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>>110898623
Not a landwhale but I like to think in Satan as a male. It add more conflict, it goes against God's will (read the bible) and Akira met Satan as a male and he seems to think on him as one. Satan can be anything that s/he wants anyway
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>>110899652
Evangelion cannot ever have a home in Devilman threads because for the longest time, Devilman threads were solely about Devilman's influence on the multimedia melting pot that is Eva. They were simply Eva thread spawns

And I don't think Nagai and Anno really get along so much as Anno literally worships the ground Uncle Go walks on while Nagai is sorta weirded out by his devotion, according to that one interview
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I heard it was meh, but I'd still like Devilman G to be translated since it makes a few continuity jokes.
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>>110897453
He's still making manga constantly. His newest serialization Gekiman! Z-hen just started in Champion RED. He's never stopped making manga.
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>>110899822
Satan acts as a man before the series, as the king of the demons, the patriarchal figure all the demons fear and respect, the big guy for you. There isn't anything really feminine about it except Satan's appearance

And then she meets Akira and goes doki doki and sacrifices her strongest dude to make sure he lives and dotes on him. His reborn body in Lady has Satan as both his mother and his father, but Akira only has a strong attachment to the female half who birthed him and also fell in love with him in hell. I think that was intentional
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>>110899822

Satan is hermaphrodite. So technically is both.

But if you compare Satan with Michael (who is meant to be a twin/other half but different), Satan is womanly while Michael is manly.
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>>110899469
>>110899718
Miki wouldn't have a chance against Ryoko. In fact, the only reason Akira and Ryo weren't fucking like rabbits on Devilman was Akira's internalized homophobia
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>>110900229

While Amon isn't canon, Satan had wanted to be a man first 'casting his wings' once the story was over.

But when this scene happened, Satan had a vision of Akira and his body convulsed and shifted into full female afterwards.

Let's not bring up the 'male' half of Satan in Lady was a shapeshifting transwoman. Satan obviously leaned on male before falling for Akira then leaned on female. Ryo's entire design changed from >>110898522 into super feminine guy with eyelashes.
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>>110898522
I agree with this.

I consider the original Devilman, by itself, an absolute masterpiece of a manga. As expected, Nagai does the same. It's his self-admitted masterpiece. And he's not talking about Devilman Lady or Violence Jack or Maoh Dante. He's talking about the 1972 Devilman serialization that made him a legend in the manga world.

The rest of the Devilman saga is absolutely great, don't get me wrong. But the story of the original Devilman manga, just from start to finish is a masterpiece. I've read all of the other works translated, but I always consider Devilman (excluding Shin Devilman) to be its own "true" canon.
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>>110900229

Satan is 2/3 female, 1/3 male. See the splits: male half was also pseudo woman.
Akira's 2/3 male, 1/3 female. See Violence jack, one of his 1/3 is a woman.
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>>110900446
That's why the landwhales make me so upset. It's like they didn't read anything and just went 'kek classic BL this is great'. Ridiculous
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>>110900685
>See Violence jack
Anon, we told you about this shit.

Anyway, Akira is physically a man. Satan has a dick so no babies but can change form so whatever.
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>>110900708
I blame Clamp and the fujoshis still drawing BL fanart on pixiv
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>>110900922

CLAMP made Satan female, though.
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>>110900778
>Satan has a dick so no babies but can change form so whatever.

Satan has both genitalia. Do you know what hermaphrodites are?

Also demons in Devilman can grow dicks and vaginas. Akira can change as he wants.
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>>110900778

Satan has a vagina and a dick. Both are functional, like her/his uterus.
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>>110900922
To be fair, when Devilman was released, there weren't many options for fujoshis. The BL fandom was still on diapers and Keiko Takemiya's editor couldn't understand why a woman would like to read about 2 guys fucking each other.
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>>110900922

Most fanart in pixiv is Satan/Akira rather than Ryo/Akira, though.
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>>110900708
That looks painful.

Why are Satan's tits so big?
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>>110901337
Fujos seem to see Satan/Ryo as one entity rather than a division between gay/not-gay. It's common for a Devilman log to have AkiraxRyo and AkiraxSatan at the same time. Nip females love to draw tits, or at least pixiv females
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Because the Amon guy draws weird
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>>110900708

Why is Zenon such a yandere?
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>>110901520
Artist is titty behemoth cultist.
see scene where Amon eats the ginormous tits of Silene mom
>>110901735
weird but good
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>>110901735
>>110901520
Satan's tits hev always been big. The Amon guy, just draws weird nipples.

>>110901671
Well, they are the samefag. I don't care as long I get my Satan/Devilman art. I love the contrast of angel and demon.
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>>110901790
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>>110901671
Eyes, tits and dicks are the most fun things to draw. can you blame them?
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>>110900708

That fucking scene Ryo and Akira were about to kiss while transforming and Miki interrupted them was so rage-inducing. I liked Miki in Devilman but Amon Miki pissed me off because she was just a cockblock plot device.
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>>110901853
I'm sure that one day in the remote future, after the end of the civilization like we know it, this page will inspire someone that will create a religion based on it
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How do you guys feel about DC comics ripping off Devilman Lady?
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>>110901671

Now now, most porn I've seen is hetero. Weirdly enough.
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>>110902029
Sorry but I stopped giving fucks about cape comics years ago.
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>>110902029
Wings on heads aren't exactly unique to Devilman and I doubt ol Johns took the time to read one of those Japanese porno books
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>>110900229

Satan interpretation changed too, from Lord of Demons to Sophia, the Serpent of Light. Sophia is the feminine manifestation of God, if you didn't know Gnostic.
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I'm about to start reading Devilman, in what order should i read?
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>>110902292
Try with the chapter numbered "1" of the chronologically oldest series and follow from there. it should be a good introduction
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>>110902292

Devilman.
Shinn Devilman. Intersequel of Devilman.
Neo Devilman chapter 5 (volume 1). Explains backstory, bridge between Devilman and Lady.
Devilman Lady. Sequel to Devilman.
Neo Devilman chapter 3 (volume 2 - Untranslated), set before the last chapters. Intersequel to Lady.

Other works: >>110895841

Devilman After Dark is a compilation with those two chapters of Neo devilman by Go Nagai. Ghost Devilman got published and collected in Lady (it's the advntures of Akira as ghost).
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>>110870905

Evangelion before Evangelion existed.
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>>110899758

It's a silly gag parody for the most part but has a serious short story at the end. I don't think there's a scanlation for that one, but I can at least say the doujin itself is impressive. Hardcover, leather, relief-printed parts on cover and back cover, different paper weight and texture depending on what's printed on it. CLAMP really likes Devilman.
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>>110902564
...more pics?!
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>>110902476
Thanks for the help faggot

>>110902494
Thank you, should i avoid the anime? I recall one where Akira and his father are in some ice cave and 3 demons fighting over who gets Akira's body, is it relevant to the manga in any way?
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>>110902671
Its the tv anime, its not relevant to the continuity.
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>>110902564
As expected of the best shoujo Devilman knockoff creators

Well they're only competing with Angel Sanctuary but still
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>>110902671

Anime is an entirely different continuity. As the official chart indicates, follows its own flow and isn't so apocalyptic?
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>>110902871

Angel Sanctuary is the best. Belial is my waifu.
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>>110870905
I love it. OVA are very touching and very old school. Amon: The Apocalypse of Devilman was my fave. I felt the rage when they cut of that girls head. loved the devilmanXsatan homo stuff. in some ways it was better than elfen lied
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>>110903014
>>110902871
My personal favorite Devilman knockoff is probably Last Man by the same guy of Golden Boy, Tatsuya Egawa. I never encountered such quantities of cringeworthy scenes, lewd and vorpal irony again
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>>110903240

Angel Sanctuary has the best Ryo clone (Kira).
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>>110903287
SetsunaxKira is muh OTP
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>>110902657
I didn't take too many as most of it is scanned and my palms get sweaty when handling artbooks.
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>>110903355
AlexielxLucifer/Kira was better. Because Setsuna's personality was more offputting.
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>>110903449
Tell me what it smells like
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>>110903355
>>110903466
You guys are plebs. The best parts of Angel Sanctuary is that mentally ill dying narcissist Rosiel and his lover-son thing Katan. Lucifer and his demon goons were the worst, they trolled too much to be pitied
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>>110871262

>Akira torn in half.
Akira is gonna be alright and kick Satan's ass next pannel, right..... right?
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>>110870905
It's good,but Demonbane is better.
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>>110903539
Like leather, of course.

Or do you prefer, "like Asuka's sweet boypussy and Akira's demonic seed"?
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>>110903748
Yes~
sorry now I need to use the restrooms...
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>>110903727
you must be joking , you bookfucker
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>>110903674

Alexiel/Rosiel story was one of the saddest ones I've read. "You... love me?" Fuck.

>>110903697

...Sweet summer child.
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>>110876199
>Why?
>Love.

So Satan is pretty much Homura.
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>>110903697
that's the last panel
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>>110903697

Akira will die, go to hell, obsess over Satan's crying face and look for Satan while the world restarts, then unknowingly lose his v card to Satan's new vessel after falling for her, and he'll be brought back to life, after haunting as DEVILMAN GHOST to protect said woman, then said woman would give birth to him and return to be Satan.

And then they go to fight Michael to kick him off their planet.
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>>110904084
>>110904031
>Sweet summer child.
from his wording it is clear that its a rhetorical question
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>>110903674

Belial was still better. Rosiel was second best with his sister and son.

I liked Belial because she/he/it (respecting the preference ciscum) because was clearly fucked up but wouldn't angst so much. It was refreshing in that manga.
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>>110876199
>how goddamn popular Sirene is with Japanese fanbase
She is? all I see around is Satan and Lady.
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>>110904625

The three of them are. In the 70s, it was Miki. Times have changed and the era of homely childhood friends finished.
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>>110904072
The other way around, stupid.
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>>110904532
Belial became a privilege checker just to see if Lucifer would love xir no matter what it looked like. That's ridiculous. It's just a more competent Zenon who knows that their love will never be acknowledged
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>>110904706
Yeah, this is the age of birdies single mothers.
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>>110905066
no its still the age of bitchy unreasonable girls
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>>110895652

>MOTHER FUCKING SHUTENDOJI

I knew I had seen those sideburn before.
Hell, with Go Nagai doing the artwork, even girls look hotter with sideburns.
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>>110895888

when I read that I imagined a loli version of Akira Fudo doing a super cute, yet demonic mahou shoujo transformation in a dark, frilly demonic dress.

OP by ClariS.
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>>110870905
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>>110905373
Shutendoji was a full power mindfuck.
>>110905522
please don't give ideas to sensei
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Violence Jack anime when?
Devilman manga-based anime when?
And most importantly, Violence Jack translations WHEN?
I know HnG did v4 recently
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>>110906193
>Violence Jack anime when?
ova is all you will ever have.
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I have never gotten into manga over my many years watching anime but if I did I would want to read Devilman having watched all the anime.
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>>110906412
Harlem Bomber's story was anime-original and we all know Hell's Wind and Evil Town were lame picks. Why couldn't we have gotten the entire Saotome Mondo arc as two OVAs? Would've served as a nice prequel to Shin Mazinger.
Fuck, if you want Mazinger there's even the batshit insane Iron Castle mazinger volume of Jack.
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>>110905693

I only watched the Shutendouji ovas and loved all the carnage and how Miyuki (Miki?) ended up naked on every ova.

Is the manga better?
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I'm confused, I never read any of the mangas nor watched the OVAs
So Devilman has Spinoffs with alternate timelines and shit?
Which mangas are part of the main timeline then and in which order?
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>>110906412
The OVAs are torture porn while the actual manga is 2deep4u and feels. It's chickenshit the west's only exposition to Jack are the OVAs
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And yet another excellent Devilman thread on /a/. recently we have them pretty frequently, I'm really positively impressed by ourselves.
>>110906967
The easiest and fastest way to get in is to read the original series. after that follow this guy >>110902494
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>>110906967
Original is the only one worth reading in my opinion, shin devilman as a joke. The two ova's are amazing but the amon ova is horrible, it's too dragonball z and is hardly like the manga. The movie is also amazingly bad, as well as the english dub.
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>>110870905
Wasn't that a guy from DB?
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>>110904220
What was this, devilman lady or the untranslated one?
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>>110898646
>>110898731

I haven't seen much of the Devilman anime.
Is this a parody of the intro?
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>>110905017

Belial was always a privilege checker.
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Is this the first edgy manga?
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Why must Sirene suffer like this?
Getting NTR'd.
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>>110911929
Gekiga is way older.
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>>110871326
He was also the best boy.
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>>110911810
Yes but didn't she mutilate her hooha or something
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>>110911740

Devilman Lady, the sequel, it's fully translated. The only thing of the official main manga continuity untranslated is a short story with a Devilman Lady side character.
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>>110911972

Sirene's lover died. She is just projecting her issues on Devilman.

Actually, it's fitting Miki and Sirene lose because both of them are just after Amon. Satan was the only one who loved Akira. I say this as someone who loves Sirene.
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>>110912552
Okay now please explain me:
-what's a priviliege checker
-what's a hooha and why someone should mutilate it
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>>110913610
Fair enough.
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>>110913610
How the hell do you even type with those elephant hands Kaim?
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>>110913610
>Satan was the only one who loved Akira
If the demons didn't awake, would Akira ended as a permavirgin?
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>>110914467
Sure. Miki would have ended up married to Dosuroku
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ARE WA DARE DA
DARE DA
DARE DA
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>>110914127

Kaim would have typed in third person.

>>110914467

Yes. He was too beta.
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>>110913913

Angels in Angel Sanctuary are born genderless and their gender is defined when they grow. Belial was becoming a woman and thought the idea of having a gender repulsive, because she/he saw itself as neither, so stopped the process.
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>>110915111
...I'm even more confused than before.
well I'm off. sweet dreams Satan worshipping homos
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>>110915376

Godspeed anon.
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Shit. That thread is still up?
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>>110914467
There was some chick on Neo Devilman that liked Akira before the merge but she was even more beta than Akira and didn't say shit.
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>>110892636
Dynamic Planning takes care of Anime
Dynamic Pro takes care of Manga

This is how I always understood it.
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>>110916765
Mana Kirishima?
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>>110916905
Dat Asuka.
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>>110906967
It's a Go Nagai work. Series specific Canon doesn't mean shit to him. There's only one canon that he cares about, and that's the canon of all his works, intermingled.

So you'll have cameos (well they're not just cameos since they occupy important places in the stories), literally everywhere, where the same characters would appear in two totally unrelated mangas of his, over and over again.

The people who direct the adaptations based on his stuff like know about this, so they'll literally fill their adaptations with his characters.

In Shin Mazinger, you have characters from Violence Jack, same designs, same names, but different roles.

In Shin Cutie Honey, you have Devilman appearing in it.

Watch the CB Character Go Nagai World OVAs by Umanosuke Iida (Hellsing) and you'll understand. All his characters inhabit the same universe.
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>>110918026

He actually wrote an official timeline. >>110895841

Separating TV and Manga and which ones are the official or main continuities with a bold line and the derivative works (spin offs, side universes).

You'll notice he doesn't consider Violence Jack as part of it.
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>>110917871
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>>110918026

Same universe and versions of the characters =/= same continuity. They inhabit their own versions.

But he's been clear which ones are the main Devilman manga universe and that doesn't include crossovers or Go Nagai World Ovas (he even places them in another "dimension" to speak). Think about Marvel and DC with several universes, including cartoons and movies, but there's always a MAIN one. It's the same as Nagai. He's using that model.
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>>110918236
Oh, he can write a timeline all he wants, but don't be surprised if he later writes a manga that contradicts his own.

He's not as hard on continuity, that's why there are so many continuities in the first place.
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>>110908700
>And yet another excellent Devilman thread on /a/. recently we have them pretty frequently, I'm really positively impressed by ourselves.
>mfw people say /a/ can't have discussions about old anime

I just don't get it
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>>110918403
Continuity doesn't mean a lot in the works of Go Nagai.

Just look at the mess that's Mazinger.
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>>110918026
That's false. He does care to keep his main story intact. That's why Neo Devilman shots written by him (republished in Devilman in the Dark) have connection and bridges with Devilman and Devilman Lady exclusively. That's why Shinn Devilman fleshed out Akira and Ryo relationship so Ryo's love for Akira wasn't out nowhere. Devilman Ghost also was incorporated in Devilman Lady.

He does fuck around with his characters, but his main story is kept apart from that and follows a consistent line. He just doesn't mind to create au versions, authorize gag crossovers or wild spin offs, because it doesn't affect his main story.
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>>110918497

He hasn't contradicted anything in the Devilman timeline: he wrapped up and even retconned what contradicted shit when he published the tankos (like he did since the first devilman: the first chapter who features Satan didn't exist in the magazine version because Satan was added later when he decided to make Akira and Ryo survive. You'll notice his artstyle isn't like the first chapters there). The difference between Devilman and Mazinger is that he cares about Devilman and he's resentful of Mazinger.
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>>110918618

Same as the western comics, you're still avoiding the issue: his main continuity of Devilman is kept intact. And he doesn't consider Violence Jack as part of it. He has shunned it from consideration.
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>>110918629
Oh sure he cared, when he pulled out Violence Jack.

>He just doesn't mind to create au versions, authorize gag crossovers or wild spin offs, because it doesn't affect his main story.
And exactly what I'm talking about.
If you allow so many AUs in the first place, then there's telling that you actually don't care that much about continuity as some other authors.

>>110918721
>he's resentful of Mazinger.
Bullshit. Just because he feels Devilman should have been more popular doesn't mean he resents Mazinger.
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>>110918609

There are only too few of us to shitpost.
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>>110918831
>his main continuity of Devilman is kept intact.
I said it's possible for him to contradict himself.

I didn't say he did it.

He doesn't use Marvel/DC comics for that model. He uses Tezuka's own star system.
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>>110918844

Do you see Violence Jack in his official Devilman chart? No, me neither. Even Amon is there.

Violence Jack isn't meant to be taken as serious, it's a self indulgent crossover that people bought. It's Violence Jack. You should just accept it and move on.

AUs =! main continuity. Learn a bit more about how multiverse works. The MAIN world is Devilman (some intersequels, and one shots) and Devilman Lady. The rest are just sidestuff for fun and cash. This isn't modified.

Ditto how in Marvel, the world 616 is the main continuity, even if you have what ifs, Ultimate, cartoons, etc.
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>>110918967

That's about the same. Tezuka himself used western comics and Disney as inspiration.
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>>110918919
Akira should have picked that loli. Better than that slut Miki and without the existential and emotional baggage that Satan-chan carries.
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>>110919115

Loli is RIP. She even dies again in Lady, or rather is ascended to some pleasant afterlife.
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Parasyte did it better.
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>>110919166
Oh, RIP. I should read Lady soon.
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>>110919059
My point is that Violence Jack ruins any of his continuity claims.

If he cared that much, he wouldn't have pulled out Violence Jack in the first place.

The timeline is there for those who are serious about continuity. No one else really cares.

I don't deny that he may have some more thoughts about continuity reserved for Devilman, since it's his favourite work, but in general, he doesn't care that much.
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>>110919185
Parasyte is garbage.
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>>110871520
Shit taste.
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>>110919295

Anon, he doesn't consider Violence Jack part of Devilman at all. It's just him fucking around. He's not going to take Violence Jack in consideration when he writes I don't know Devilman BEAR, an intersequel where Akira turns into a bear (to give a silly example).

That's why there's not a single Violence Jack reference in all the things Devilman he did after Devilman. Not even one.

It exists in another universe.
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>>110919335
It's still better than Devilman.
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>>110919256

Anyone who isn't part demon or demon/god or supernatural isn't around by the end of Lady. But at least her fate was merciful, she was put out misery and found peace. Akira got closure.
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>>110919355
Eva is shit. Get over it edgy teenager.
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>>110919295

Nagai cares enough to keep it separate of Devilman when he makes no nod at it in the stories he writes about Devilman. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it's just not part of Devilman proper. If Nagai, as you claim, didn't care, he would have shoehorned elements of Violence jack and he didn't.
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>>110919413
Parasyte is shonen garbage.
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>>110919413
Nah m8.
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>>110919644
It's seinen.

>>110919755
I respectfully disagree.
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>>110919395
>>110919597
The fact that he created VJ in the first place proves that he doesn't give much of a shit. He wouldn't have involved Devilman in VJ in the first place.

Just look at Mazinger's continuity for an idea.
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>>110919395
I think you're making some pretty big claims, have you read interviews where Nagai expresses this? I have some short writings of his on Violence Jack I can't read as I canot into moon, but if someone here can, I'd be happy to scan them.
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>>110919807

He created VJ because he could and is a massive crossover he keeps separated from his main work. What's your issue?

I don't care about Mazinger continuity, stop parroting it. You can still love Violence Jack, just don't think it's a real sequel.
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>>110919803
Correction: Manchildren.

Seinen only means 70s shounen.
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>>110919897
Yes, I have read them. Violence Jack is Violence Jack (one of my favorite Nagai manga, by the way). But it's not Devilman, despite recycling some characters.
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>>110919909
>I don't care about Mazinger continuity
Go Nagai doesn't either.

You get my point now?

Anyone approaching the works of Go Nagai with canon mindset will get fucked over hard.
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>>110919914
What the fuck are you talking about?
It was published in a seinen magazine. Therefor it is seinen.
Don't tell me you think shonen and seinen are genres.
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>>110919897
Official published chart by him. No Violence Jack spotted >>110895841
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>>110919980
The difference is that Go Nagai does care about Devilman continuity. You have him retcon and adding chapters in tankos to keep it neatly ordered.

You should stop trying to push it.
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>>110920081
I never denied that he cares a little more about Devilman.

The fact that he confused people for ages with VJ is proof that Go Nagai doesn't give much of a damn in general.
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>>110919966
Could you post a link to them? I'd like to read them.

>>110920026
Anyone know where was this published?
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>>110876699
It's actually gay and straight at the same time
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>>110920026
>No Violence Jack spotted
I actually spotted Violence Jack and Tetsu no Shoujo Jun on that page.
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>>110920000
In other words, it was published in a magazine for manchildren.

I get it.

Seinen is the new shounen, and it's still shit.
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Does anyone think Eva is actually good?

That shit taste.

At least Devilman doesn't have meaningless symbolism and all pretense of deepness.
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>>110920081
>You have him retcon and adding chapters in tankos to keep it neatly ordered.

You mean to ruin it. Those additions to the original Devilman are fucking trash. His art "fixes" look completely out of place surrounded by the older art, not to mention rather than fixing it, he's ruining the entire composition and taking away from the hypnotizing style he had back then.
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>>110889794
>No scanlations ever
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>>110920222
Chart was published in an anniversary fanbook, iirc. Probably before Devilman G was published, or it would have been included.

>>110920337
Where? Also what is "True Devilman"? Is it the novelization of the manga the OVA was based on?
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>>110920547
The black part, in small white kanji.
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>>110920547
*official fan guidebook. I think there was one for Mazinger too in its anniversary.
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>>110920573
>Violence Jack
>kanji

Please. Unless you can circle it and tell me, you're toast.
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>>110920438
I like both, but it's my shit taste.
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>>110920451
>Those additions to the original Devilman are fucking trash.

He added shit SINCE he published the original. The first chapter of volume 1 was added much later when the manga was ongoing. That's why his art is similar to the later volumes unlike the cartoonesque art of the first chapters.
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>>110920653
I'm not him.

Here are the kanas for Violence Jack.
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>>110920387
I don't see what this has to do with manchildren at all.
I think you're trying a bit too hard.
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>>110920547
>Is it the novelization of the manga the OVA was based on?

It is. Check out the author: Yasutaka Nagai.
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>>110920653
My bad, I should've used "moon".
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>>110905593
That ova was metal as fuck.
>Dick/vagina demon getting melted by acid tits
>Turns out he's liquid or some shit and turns into a frog to kill the acid tits chick
>Guy on the bus gets mad and stabs the driver because he thinks he's a demon (or he's just using that as a lame excuse to kill)
>People going apeshit and killing each other
>That little boy and girl getting ripped apart by demon hunters
>Amon, what else can I say?
>That mental fight for control in Akira's head

There needs to be more brutal shit like that, and have it be surreal and full of testosterone.
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>>110920711

That's what the other anon say. That the characters are crossover but aren't part of the proper Devilman universe.
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>>110920588
>official fan guidebook
Then all claims of Nagai caring about continuity is out of the window.
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>>110920821
Forgot thread music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRshPCM9lhk
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>>110920821
>tfw people think the Devilman OVAs were brutal
I just saw it as a regular Japanese cartoon.

Edgy didn't even come to mind while watching it.

That's just how retarded the new gen of anime fans are.
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>>110920711

Yes, mentions elements appear there, but aren't included in the official Devilman chart. They are self contained franchises. You should consider their appearance in Violence Jack as relevant as Ryo's appearance in Jun.
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>>110920916
What would you consider brutal? I'd like to see it.
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>Devilman Grimorie still isn't translated
I have the horrible feeling its shit, but I want it so bad
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>>110920858

Baby's first official guidebook?

>still Salty Violence Jack isn't part of Devilman
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>>110920967
The rape of Nanking.
Unit 731.
The Holocaust.

As well as any other human events where inserting dirty things in other people's orifices is involved.

Devilman and Violence Jack look too stylish to be brutal. It doesn't gross me out.
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>>110920916
>I just saw it as a regular Japanese cartoon.
>That's just how retarded the new gen of anime fans are.
Well that's pretty stupid. I guess you only know a very, very small portion of "old" anime.
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>>110920858
>>110920547

Go Nagai published this chart with Devilman Lady artbook along with a lengthy interview that I haven't bothered to translate yet and more monster girl porn. Then it was recycled for the official anniversary guide and other works.

Grimorie, as someone else noted, is missing because it hasn't begun its serialization.
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>>110921022
He didn't say official guidebook, but fanbook.

If it's a fanbook, then it means nothing.
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>>110921121
Anime can never be considered brutal. They're drawings. The blood can be blue as well and it wouldn't make a difference.
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>>110920868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNtLQYOQeA
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>>110921154
Official Fan guidebook are guidebooks *for fans*, are you new?
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But the real question is

Does Crazy Uncle Go still got it? Or is he all washed up? Do you think he has any interest in adding anything to his favorite series before he croaks?
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>>110921275
They are meant for the fans who care about continuity.
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>>110921154
Please read. >>110921153
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>>110921108
I'm talking anime, nigga.
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>>110921364
Again, it's for people who give a damn about continuity.

If Nagai cared that much, he wouldn't need to draw up this timeline in the first place.

It's like the Zelda timeline.
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>>110921387
See >>110921203
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>>110921203
There can be brutality in fiction, come on. You're disregarding several mediums and their ability to evoke feelings from people by saying that.
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>>110921401
>If Nagai cared that much, he wouldn't need to draw up this timeline in the first place.
by this i meant, it wouldn't be that confusing in the first place.

Because the timeline would already be clear. The fact that he's even updating his Devilman manga with new art proves my point even more.
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>>110921401

He cared enough to make it. I don't think he thought about it until he finished ordering his ideas after he republished old work and tied it up with Devilman Lady ending. He left Violence Jack out precisely because it doesn't fit his final world building for Devilman.

Don't expect any continuation to the story, as far as he is concerned, in that artbook interview, he finished it with the victory of Akira and Satan and now is up to us to imagine how their world would be like.

Violence Jack still exists and is ongoing, but he's treating it as something separated now, with borrowed elements and characters. Kind of like how he used Mao Dante in Devilman.
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>>110921440
The "brutality" is too stylish looking to be grossed out.

Real brutality is gross, but even the scenes of rape in Violence Jack looked awesome, especially with the meta/rock ost in the background.
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>>110921583
Fine you want brutal? Go watch Daisy's Destruction.
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>>110921401

If guys are asking about "how do I read devilman" then you should at least suggest them following a continuity for their sake. What's your problem?
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>>110921627
>Looks it up
>Child gets raped, killed etc,
>the usual brutal stuff
Well there, you get my point.

Pretty sure that's what the nips did when they arrived in Nanking China.

Whenever it's fiction, the brutality is shot or drawn in such a way that while it may appear "brutal'', there's an element of stylishness (dark lighting, fake red blood etc) that makes people not look away, but instead want to watch more of it.
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>>110921583
>>110921627
Brutality doesn't have to rely on explicitness. The whole sequence at Miki's house is quite surreal, but still quite brutal, as is Akira's reaction afterwards.
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I didn't tell you anything, people began arguing because someone was trying to claim Violence Jack happens between Devilman and Devilman Lady and Shinn VJ after Devilman Lady. That's why the genealogy was posed.
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