Alright what does /a/ think of Devilman?
Even though it's dated in some ways, the manga's great. I'm not super knowledgeable about the history of manga, but I've always felt that it represents something of a turning point. As Devilman graduates from its rough and silly beginnings, so too does the entire medium.
Or something like that.
Berserk isn't even over. It doesn't even have a definitive ending.
Devilman on the other hand is a short story with a clear message.
You're comparing a fable-like story to a long running crime novels.
The story is not dated.
You can retell the same story over and over again because the themes that Devilman present will still be relevant in the centuries to come.
It's like the story of Adam and Eve.
Long running series are more often meant to entertain readers over a long period of time than to give a moral lesson about the human condition.
That's why their stories aren't comparable.
Also, Kentarou Miura never said he was influenced specifically by Devilman. He only said he liked the works of Go Nagai, and Devilman isn't even his most famous series.
Here's the Devilman Japanese web novel online. It has an interesting site layout. Worth a visit.
Devilman is a fun classic. Just got into it recently and actually like it a lot more than Berserk.
The last volume felt a bit rushed, but I rather that than the drawn-out shit we have today.
He wanted Akira to be fused with a demon (Amon) so he could become a Devilman and be strong enough to survive the demon apocalypse. Why?
Anyway, about OP's question:
I really loved the manga and the OVAs, but on the other hand, I think the Amon manga went to shit after the first volume.
Unrelated fact: Until I got into the franchise, I would have never imaged just how goddamn popular Sirene is with Japanese fanbase, seriously.
Satan is a hermaphrodite being, and, while he experienced life as a human as Ryo, he fell in love with Akira and unconsciously pulled some strings to make sure he survived.
Seriously, how can you not know this?
She didn't. Satan fell in love with Akira under her amnesiac disguise as Ryo Asuka, who fell for wimpy Akira in those two years they spent together (unlike Miki who just liked him when he was demonic and hotter). Because of this, Amon, the demon supposed to wear him as a suit dies and he takes his power (in the realities Satan/Ryo doesn't exist, Akira DIES and is Amon who is wearing his skin). Love makes one does stupid things.
Of course, Ryo pretends he wants to manipulate and use Akira because can't spit out he's in love with him with misleads Akira into rage and hurt of betrayal which led to the final battle "of love and hate" between them. One too proud to seek him, another too angry to speak.
They made up in the sequel.
It's not gay when Satan can shift into full woman when she wants: technically Satan is feminine and dainty in contrast to her twin, Michael, who is buff and masculine. Gender ambiguity holds true with Akira, in the AU Violence Jack, one of his splits is a woman. Go Nagai loves this.
Sirene also is resurrected in the sequel, Devilman Lady, along with all the demon. She's taken over the body of a chick who was in love with Jun, the Devilman Lady/Satan.
I know little cuddleball, I've even read Devilman Quantum Leap.
it made me took the habit to pass as true the Hitler girlfriend story. a great way to troll WW2fags
>Sirene and Kaim
Otp of a lifetime. one day Nagai will deliver the shipment of love.
Hitler did nothing wrong. I admit I wanted the time travel adventures to last more. They were fun.
Maybe someday Sirene will move on from the shadow of Amon. ;_;
She's a demon, her smell will be different than common animals.
Since I saw Silen the first time when I was a kid, I started to have a strange attraction to bird claws.
I used to molest my uncle's blackbird for hours touching its tiny feet. I tried with chickens, but its not the same, they have dull nails
It sounds like you have found your birdfu
Shin Devilman. Intersequel which involves Ryo and Akira time travel adventures. Meeting Hitler and Jeanne D'Arc and Akira being oblivious Ryo's onto him.
Read Neo Devilman chapter 5. Which explains how Ryo and Akira met and Akira's last thoughts before he croaks
which matter in Devilman Lady.
the sequel, which is full of demon rape, but wadding through that and the initial impression you'll find out it's not an AU genderswap but the sequel. Devilman Lady is Satan.
Devilman Lady start was weak but got stronger
once Akira ghost appears and shit gets DevilmanIf you want a sorta happier conclusion to the story, I would suggest you to read what this anon says: >>110880787
That's of the official main continuity. Alternate one official is Violence Jack, but it wasn't fully translated.
If you like darker and edgier AU, there's Amon. If you like Miki, there's a manga Devilman G that is the Miki show (she's pretty sidelined in general in the main continuity). There are other spin offs, but I only recommend you Nagai's stuff.
thanks it'll worth to read then
>That's of the official main continuity. Alternate one official is Violence Jack, but it wasn't fully translated.
Except there's no alternate continuity, Violence Jack fits between Devilman and Devilman Lady, then Shin Violence Jack happens after everything.
Anyone have that Devilman G's page of Miki slashing Ryo's knock-off?
That mangaka really loves his waifu
I still haven't got over what happened to his love interest in the third movie, and I knew it was coming.
>in the third movie
Anon, the third OVA isn't even adapting the original source material, you're missing out. Read the manga.
>There is no year 0
Says who? You don't start at one.
>And 2001 is not the 20th century,
Let me rephrase. Anime airing in the year 2000 to the year 2000 and 364 days is not 21st century anime. Therefore, hypothetically would anime airing in the year 0 to the year 0 and 364 days not be 1st century anime?
tfw we'll never have a loyal anime in the original style
Everyone in the world
>You don't start at one.
Yes you do. If you were in year 0, that means no time has passed. The first year starts with the first day.
That's why the 1700s is known as the 18th century, etc. Damn you're retarded. You can't even into basic logic that is the basis of the human calendar system.
You can't say that it's year 1 until one year has passed in the calendar system. Therefore, until one year has passed it would only be counted in days, with zero years having passed so far. Prove me wrong without saying "hurr everyone else agrees with ME" and provide an actual citation or tell me where my logic is wrong.
Devilman is my favorite manga, hands down. I also really enjoyed all of the OVAs, even Amon (though I could have done without the beamspam fights).
Berserk is great, Devilman is still better. Like >>110871708 said, Devilman benefits from its short length and just how concise everything is.
>You can't say that it's year 1 until one year has passed in the calendar system
Wrong. You're in the first year as soon as time discernible time starts. The first year ends after 365 days.
That's literally how the calendar system works. It makes perfect sense and is used around the world by humanity. You are a just a retard and can't understand it. I mean seriously, it's already done. It's the official calendar system. You are literally wrong. I'm sorry.
When did the copyright change from Dynamic Productions to Dynamic Planning? It's like that on the Devilman Nuro thing too.
You were only pretending to be retarded, right.
>You're in the first year as soon as time discernible time starts
Yeah, the first year is from year 0 to year 0 364 days, while the second year is year 1 to year 1 364 days and so on. It works exactly like, as you said, "1700s is known as the 18th century, etc." just on a smaller scale.
Wow, you're an idiot.
>the first year is from year 0 to year 0
The 1st year is 0. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
>while the second year is year 1
The 2nd year is 1. You're a genius.
>It works exactly like, as you said, "1700s is known as the 18th century, etc." just on a smaller scale.
No, it doesn't work. By you logic, Year 9 would be the end of a decade and year 10 would be the start of the a new decade.
In the real world (aka non retards) the first 365 days is the first year and the 10th year would be a decade, meaning the next decade would start on year 11 and end on 20.
>By you logic, Year 9 would be the end of a decade and year 10 would be the start of the a new decade.
Correct. To not confuse you anymore, I'll write it like this. From 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 is the first year of the calendar. After, it turns to 1 Jan 0001 to denote that one full year has passed, and is now the start of the second year. Following, the tenth year would end on 31 Dec 0009, with makes 1 Jan 0010 the eleventh year and the start of a new decade.
Are you able to control how obnoxious you are or is that just in your nature?
Man, you're a retard. This is why our calendar system wasn't created by fools like you.
>From 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 is the first year of the calendar
That doesn't make any sense. Year 0 would be before the start of time because 0 is the representation of a absence of something. Once time starts, you are in the midst of the first year. After 365 days, that first year ends and the second year begins.
You are seriously stupid. I'm really surprised that you can't grasp the concept, given that you're factually wrong.
what the hell is this
why Devilman is a magnet for these people
that fucking smirk
Old people do this also. sooner or later Nagai threads will be about how once air wasn't polluted and heatlh issues
I need sauce on this hot infernal wiener
>Year 0 would be before the start of time because 0 is the representation of a absence of something.
No and yes. Year 0 is not "before the start of time". Yes, 0 is a representation of an absence of something, that "something" being the full number of years which have passed.
>Once time starts, you are in the midst of the first year. After 365 days, that first year ends and the second year begins.
Yes, that's what I said. You don't count the first year as being completed (i.e. 0001) until the full year has passed, which means until then it will be denoted as 0000.
It's kind of a sad that you probably think you're being intelligent or insightful.
>Yes, 0 is a representation of an absence of something, that "something" being the full number of years which have passed.
No, you are in the first year. It's not a absence of years. By your logic, the number of the year wouldn't change unless the year was over (year 2 wouldn't start until the beginning of year 3).
>You don't count the first year as being completed (i.e. 0001) until the full year has passed, which means until then it will be denoted as 0000.
No, it's the first year. A year isn't just a year once it's done. A year represents the stretch of time between 1 day and 365 days.
There's so many logical fallacies in your statements. You're not very good at this whole logic thing.
>No, you are in the first year. It's not a absence of years
Yes, you're in the first year. However, that year is not denoted as having passed (i.e. written as 0001) until the period from 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 has passed. There is an absence of full years which have passed until, obviously, a full year has passed, which is why it's written as 0000.
>A year isn't just a year once it's done.
It is only counted as one once it is has fully passed.
>However, that year is not denoted as having passed (i.e. written as 0001) until the period from 1 Jan 0000 to 31 Dec 0000 has passed.
No. You keep saying the same things, but they're just as wrong as they were 10 posts ago.
Here's your exact logical fallacy:
>a year doesn't happen until it ends
This is wrong. A year starts as the first day/second/attosecond/whatever.
No, it doesn't, if you actually read Lady and Violence Jack they don't fit at all.
Shit is on Satan's doing in Violence Jack, which CONTRADICTS Lady, because it's Michael's doing who took over after Devilman ending.
Shin Violence Jack has zero to do with Lady ending too and all to do with Violence Jack ending. They are separated continuities. Dog Miki is a character for instance who features in Violence Jack.
I wish people would shut up about Violence Jack and finally realize that it's a story that includes ALL of Nagai's character up until that point as a kind of all-star crossover world. It has nothing to do with Mazinger Z, Devilman, Harenchi Gakuen, etc etc.
>I wish people would shut up about Violence Jack
So it you just glossed over the fucking ending? Sex Slave Ryo becomes Satan, Violence Jack gets his memories as Akira Fudoh back and they start fighting right then and there over Slum King’s corpse.
>>a year doesn't happen until it ends
I didn't say that. Use exact quotes when you rebut.
>A year starts as the first day/second/attosecond/whatever.
Correct. However, it is not counted as complete until it completes. You have not refuted this at all. You keep ignoring all the points I make and you rephrase and warp all points I've made to fit your argument. You're childish and couldn't help but through direct insults and passive aggressive remarks in nearly every one of your posts. You kept saying "retard" yet you could have shut both of us up by just posting a credible citation that the calendar did not start on 1 Jan 0000, yet you did not. Is it not you who is the actual retard? Anyway, since you're being uncooperative and distasteful I'll just stop arguing with you.
Sorry for shitting up the thread, but it's over now.
People haven't read the manga or Lady, it's got nothing to do with each other and overlooks the arrival of the angel army at the end of devilman because as you said, it's just a wacky crossover and not a devilman sequel proper.
Still one of my favorite manga.
>People discrediting Violence Jack as Devilman’s sequel.
Might be a case of lacking English scans, cause goddamn I’ve never seen so much misinformation contained within a Devilman thread.
Because it's a crossover. Every Nagai character is there. Satan happens to be there too and gets the spotlight with Akira because they are Nagai's favorite.
Did you gloss over the fact it blatantly ignores God took over in the end of Devilman? Lady addressed Satan went back to Hell to cry as self exile. There's no connection to Violence Jack.
It's meant to be a crossover self-contained alternative reality for all Nagai's works.
I read the shit in Japanese. It is not a sequel to Devilman. It's a crossover all of all Nagai's characters in a post-apocalyptic world.
>b-b-b-b-but I looked at the last pages of the raws and Jack turns into Devilman
It's a fucking crossover, you retard.
Violence Jack originally ran for 48 Volumes, all the crossovers happened in the early / mid chapters, all the conections to Devilman got dropped in the late volumes, there was no silly things like Mazinger Z appearing and getting is ass kicked near the end, it was the legit Devilman sequel, same with Shin Violence Jack, one of the last works Nagai himself had drawn, devoid of any crossovers, still full of Devilman conections.
It's a crossover. Shin Violence Jack is a sequel to VIOLENCE JACK, so it takes after that end.
There's no connection with Devilman Lady or anything Go Nagai wrote with the name DEVILMAN on cover, except taking the original cast and put them in some situation for Violence Jack. That's why it's called Violence Jack and not Violence Devilman.
It's not Devilman.
>b-b-b-b-but I looked at the last pages of the raws and Jack turns into Devilman
No, I got the Italian licensed print where it's detailed word by word on how Violence Jack's world came to be, from Satan Ryo's anguish over killing Akira, to him creating the Slum King, to becoming a Sex Slave in penance, to finding out Akira reincarnated, to becoming Satan again and resuming their fight yet again.
>all the crossovers happened in the early / mid chapters
No, it's all the way through.
>all the conections to Devilman got dropped in the late volumes
No, they started from the first volume like all of the other crossovers.
>there was no silly things like Mazinger Z appearing
Mazinger Z was represented by Jim Mazinger.
>same with Shin Violence Jack, one of the last works Nagai himself had drawn, devoid of any crossovers
No, Shin Violence Jack continued the tradition of crossover. And Nagai hasn't stopped making manga, what the fuck are you smoking.
Not only. Nagai isn't new to U-turns into series plot because he gets bored or series doesn't sell enough, see Lady when Akira ghost appears. probably he planned Jack as something separate, but one things leds to another and he ended up packing it togheter with the Devilman family. until now, the only things that are still separated from Devilman are Shutendoji and Mao Dante. and still, there are some strange convergencies. most probably, he just pulls the Devilman card out when he doesn't know anymore what to do, simply because fans will like it anyway for being part of the continuity. or not. well you got it.
Those crossovers happened, you know: >>110895347
It was because of this. Violence Jack was Nagai wanking about Devilman being the best of his works and not a proper continuation, he didn't intent it to be. He wanted to make clear they were subordinate to this.
That's why every Devilman thing he wrote after the ending has zero connection with Violence Jack.
>Not only. Nagai isn't new to U-turns into series plot because he gets bored or series doesn't sell enough, see Lady when Akira ghost appears. probably he planned Jack as something separate
Not at all. Lady connected smoothly with his one shot in Neo Devilman where he explained years before Lady release their meeting and Akira's thoughts when he dies addressed STRAIGHTFORWARD in Lady. You know what's not addressed?
Nothing in Violence Jack. Akira mentions Devilman end. Angels took over as we saw they did at the end of Devilman.
Mao Dante of Lady has nothing to do with Mao Dante with Mao Dante, different guy, and the body of zenon. It's NOT a sequel of Mao Dante because of this.
The canon stories are the ones written by Go Nagai. Devilman in the Dark is a volume that compiles chapter 5 of the first Neo Devilman volume and chapter 3 the second Neo Devilman volume.
I have not read ghost, but I heard is short story of Akira's adventures in Hell looking for muh satan and watching the new world before he stumbles upon Jun.
It's an AU like Devilman Lady OVA is an AU of Devilman Lady manga. It's self contained in a different universe.
Now, the direct sequel to Devilman manga IS in fact Devilman Lady. Violence Jack fags getting the blown the fuck out.
Devilman ghost was re-written and compiled in Devilman Lady, actually. It was a magazine special chapters, those that included Akira in the world (which were incorporated to how he explains shit to Jun) and his adventures to protect Jun as a ghost.
That's Devilman Ghost, it was assembled in Devilman Lady in the end.
Yes, it's the story of Akemi (the devilman killed by Devilman Liger), she's found by Akira in Hell. This seemly takes place before the last battle against Michael or Akira's full rebirth, he's half spiritual.
It's like an intersequel to Lady like Shinn Devilman is to Devilman.
Bing is excellent at translating lewd, with minimal quirks and decent grammar conversion.
Everything it does clearly wrong is easily learn-able, such as translating ? as boobs.
Nagai didn't even bother to finish Shin Violence Jack, either age caught up to him or he simply doesn't care and is chilling counting all the money his multiverse series brought to him.
No, if we're talking of Devilman Akira. But in Devilman Lady, Akira is the spawn of Satan, so he can impregnate her I guess. Because his body is an angel, despite his appearance.
>Hermaphrodite Akira when
I think that Satan prefers to be the "woman".
In Violence Jack, one of his 1/3 splits is a woman, though.
I guess is manlier than Satan.
My friend calls Satan "Asuka" and it is the gayest shit
Ryo hasn't fallen in love with him yet, though. He ironically friendzoned himself when he inserted in Akira's life.
What could possibly give you this impression?
Devilman is the only Japanese nerd product I would call a masterpiece. I still find it amusing that it was mostly made up on the fly.
Can't really comment on the sequels and adaptations because I haven't seen/read them, I learned my lesson with Diebuster and Rebuild. If you really love something and that something gets a sequel/remake much later on, don't bother. They're always terrible and lessen your enjoyment of the original work.
It feels wrong
It feels like something one of those tumblr fujoshits would say since they appear to only like Satan in the form of Ryo Asuka and also have this persistence that it wants to be the masculine one in a relationship with Akira
This should not bother me as much as it should that they cannot see Satan as a willing cumdumpster
>expecting anything from Gainax at any point in time
>not reading Lady
You got what you deserve
I favor his/her Satan form, both genders. But I lean on Satan being feminine to Akira in general: as always. Even Ryo had more eyelashes and was prettier than the girls of the manga.
>not reading how Akira and Ryo met Hitler
Well look, I'm of the same mind about derivative works, but there are exceptions where they have their merits as stand alone products, example : Diebuster is not a piece of history like Gunbuster but is still a great series, and for the hard work of the staff, not because it have a "gunbuster2" label on the box. Same about Nagai stuff, with the difference that everyting is pretty equal, and ultimately nothing goes back changing the sense of previous iterations.
also, it doesn't take itself very seriously. its all good fun and games
I like to imagine Ryo/Satan as a really pushy/horny girl
She's clingy and demanding but lets Akira top. That's how basically went with the Jun/Akira sex scene.
My feather is deeeeead!
I hate Clamp but what does /a/ think of their Devilman doujin?
Not a landwhale but I like to think in Satan as a male. It add more conflict, it goes against God's will (read the bible) and Akira met Satan as a male and he seems to think on him as one. Satan can be anything that s/he wants anyway
Evangelion cannot ever have a home in Devilman threads because for the longest time, Devilman threads were solely about Devilman's influence on the multimedia melting pot that is Eva. They were simply Eva thread spawns
And I don't think Nagai and Anno really get along so much as Anno literally worships the ground Uncle Go walks on while Nagai is sorta weirded out by his devotion, according to that one interview
Satan acts as a man before the series, as the king of the demons, the patriarchal figure all the demons fear and respect, the big guy for you. There isn't anything really feminine about it except Satan's appearance
And then she meets Akira and goes doki doki and sacrifices her strongest dude to make sure he lives and dotes on him. His reborn body in Lady has Satan as both his mother and his father, but Akira only has a strong attachment to the female half who birthed him and also fell in love with him in hell. I think that was intentional
Satan is hermaphrodite. So technically is both.
But if you compare Satan with Michael (who is meant to be a twin/other half but different), Satan is womanly while Michael is manly.
While Amon isn't canon, Satan had wanted to be a man first 'casting his wings' once the story was over.
But when this scene happened, Satan had a vision of Akira and his body convulsed and shifted into full female afterwards.
Let's not bring up the 'male' half of Satan in Lady was a shapeshifting transwoman. Satan obviously leaned on male before falling for Akira then leaned on female. Ryo's entire design changed from >>110898522 into super feminine guy with eyelashes.
I agree with this.
I consider the original Devilman, by itself, an absolute masterpiece of a manga. As expected, Nagai does the same. It's his self-admitted masterpiece. And he's not talking about Devilman Lady or Violence Jack or Maoh Dante. He's talking about the 1972 Devilman serialization that made him a legend in the manga world.
The rest of the Devilman saga is absolutely great, don't get me wrong. But the story of the original Devilman manga, just from start to finish is a masterpiece. I've read all of the other works translated, but I always consider Devilman (excluding Shin Devilman) to be its own "true" canon.
That's why the landwhales make me so upset. It's like they didn't read anything and just went 'kek classic BL this is great'. Ridiculous
I blame Clamp and the fujoshis still drawing BL fanart on pixiv
>Satan has a dick so no babies but can change form so whatever.
Satan has both genitalia. Do you know what hermaphrodites are?
Also demons in Devilman can grow dicks and vaginas. Akira can change as he wants.
To be fair, when Devilman was released, there weren't many options for fujoshis. The BL fandom was still on diapers and Keiko Takemiya's editor couldn't understand why a woman would like to read about 2 guys fucking each other.
Most fanart in pixiv is Satan/Akira rather than Ryo/Akira, though.
Fujos seem to see Satan/Ryo as one entity rather than a division between gay/not-gay. It's common for a Devilman log to have AkiraxRyo and AkiraxSatan at the same time. Nip females love to draw tits, or at least pixiv females
Satan's tits hev always been big. The Amon guy, just draws weird nipples.
Well, they are the samefag. I don't care as long I get my Satan/Devilman art. I love the contrast of angel and demon.
That fucking scene Ryo and Akira were about to kiss while transforming and Miki interrupted them was so rage-inducing. I liked Miki in Devilman but Amon Miki pissed me off because she was just a cockblock plot device.
How do you guys feel about DC comics ripping off Devilman Lady?
Now now, most porn I've seen is hetero. Weirdly enough.
Shinn Devilman. Intersequel of Devilman.
Neo Devilman chapter 5 (volume 1). Explains backstory, bridge between Devilman and Lady.
Devilman Lady. Sequel to Devilman.
Neo Devilman chapter 3 (volume 2 - Untranslated), set before the last chapters. Intersequel to Lady.
Other works: >>110895841
Devilman After Dark is a compilation with those two chapters of Neo devilman by Go Nagai. Ghost Devilman got published and collected in Lady (it's the advntures of Akira as ghost).
It's a silly gag parody for the most part but has a serious short story at the end. I don't think there's a scanlation for that one, but I can at least say the doujin itself is impressive. Hardcover, leather, relief-printed parts on cover and back cover, different paper weight and texture depending on what's printed on it. CLAMP really likes Devilman.
Thanks for the help faggot
Thank you, should i avoid the anime? I recall one where Akira and his father are in some ice cave and 3 demons fighting over who gets Akira's body, is it relevant to the manga in any way?
As expected of the best shoujo Devilman knockoff creators
Well they're only competing with Angel Sanctuary but still
Anime is an entirely different continuity. As the official chart indicates, follows its own flow and isn't so apocalyptic?
I love it. OVA are very touching and very old school. Amon: The Apocalypse of Devilman was my fave. I felt the rage when they cut of that girls head. loved the devilmanXsatan homo stuff. in some ways it was better than elfen lied
My personal favorite Devilman knockoff is probably Last Man by the same guy of Golden Boy, Tatsuya Egawa. I never encountered such quantities of cringeworthy scenes, lewd and vorpal irony again
I didn't take too many as most of it is scanned and my palms get sweaty when handling artbooks.
You guys are plebs. The best parts of Angel Sanctuary is that mentally ill dying narcissist Rosiel and his lover-son thing Katan. Lucifer and his demon goons were the worst, they trolled too much to be pitied
Like leather, of course.
Or do you prefer, "like Asuka's sweet boypussy and Akira's demonic seed"?
Alexiel/Rosiel story was one of the saddest ones I've read. "You... love me?" Fuck.
...Sweet summer child.
die, go to hell, obsess over Satan's crying face and look for Satan while the world restarts, then unknowingly lose his v card to Satan's new vessel after falling for her, and he'll be brought back to life, after haunting as DEVILMAN GHOST to protect said woman, then said woman would give birth to him and return to be Satan.
And then they go to fight Michael to kick him off their planet.
Belial was still better. Rosiel was second best with his sister and son.
I liked Belial because she/he/it (respecting the preference ciscum) because was clearly fucked up but wouldn't angst so much. It was refreshing in that manga.
Belial became a privilege checker just to see if Lucifer would love xir no matter what it looked like. That's ridiculous. It's just a more competent Zenon who knows that their love will never be acknowledged
Harlem Bomber's story was anime-original and we all know Hell's Wind and Evil Town were lame picks. Why couldn't we have gotten the entire Saotome Mondo arc as two OVAs? Would've served as a nice prequel to Shin Mazinger.
Fuck, if you want Mazinger there's even the batshit insane Iron Castle mazinger volume of Jack.
I'm confused, I never read any of the mangas nor watched the OVAs
So Devilman has Spinoffs with alternate timelines and shit?
Which mangas are part of the main timeline then and in which order?
And yet another excellent Devilman thread on /a/. recently we have them pretty frequently, I'm really positively impressed by ourselves.
The easiest and fastest way to get in is to read the original series. after that follow this guy >>110902494
Original is the only one worth reading in my opinion, shin devilman as a joke. The two ova's are amazing but the amon ova is horrible, it's too dragonball z and is hardly like the manga. The movie is also amazingly bad, as well as the english dub.
Devilman Lady, the sequel, it's fully translated. The only thing of the official main manga continuity untranslated is a short story with a Devilman Lady side character.
Sirene's lover died. She is just projecting her issues on Devilman.
Actually, it's fitting Miki and Sirene lose because both of them are just after Amon. Satan was the only one who loved Akira. I say this as someone who loves Sirene.
Angels in Angel Sanctuary are born genderless and their gender is defined when they grow. Belial was becoming a woman and thought the idea of having a gender repulsive, because she/he saw itself as neither, so stopped the process.
It's a Go Nagai work. Series specific Canon doesn't mean shit to him. There's only one canon that he cares about, and that's the canon of all his works, intermingled.
So you'll have cameos (well they're not just cameos since they occupy important places in the stories), literally everywhere, where the same characters would appear in two totally unrelated mangas of his, over and over again.
The people who direct the adaptations based on his stuff like know about this, so they'll literally fill their adaptations with his characters.
In Shin Mazinger, you have characters from Violence Jack, same designs, same names, but different roles.
In Shin Cutie Honey, you have Devilman appearing in it.
Watch the CB Character Go Nagai World OVAs by Umanosuke Iida (Hellsing) and you'll understand. All his characters inhabit the same universe.
He actually wrote an official timeline. >>110895841
Separating TV and Manga and which ones are the official or main continuities with a bold line and the derivative works (spin offs, side universes).
You'll notice he doesn't consider Violence Jack as part of it.
Same universe and versions of the characters =/= same continuity. They inhabit their own versions.
But he's been clear which ones are the main Devilman manga universe and that doesn't include crossovers or Go Nagai World Ovas (he even places them in another "dimension" to speak). Think about Marvel and DC with several universes, including cartoons and movies, but there's always a MAIN one. It's the same as Nagai. He's using that model.
Oh, he can write a timeline all he wants, but don't be surprised if he later writes a manga that contradicts his own.
He's not as hard on continuity, that's why there are so many continuities in the first place.
>And yet another excellent Devilman thread on /a/. recently we have them pretty frequently, I'm really positively impressed by ourselves.
>mfw people say /a/ can't have discussions about old anime
I just don't get it
That's false. He does care to keep his main story intact. That's why Neo Devilman shots written by him (republished in Devilman in the Dark) have connection and bridges with Devilman and Devilman Lady exclusively. That's why Shinn Devilman fleshed out Akira and Ryo relationship so Ryo's love for Akira wasn't out nowhere. Devilman Ghost also was incorporated in Devilman Lady.
He does fuck around with his characters, but his main story is kept apart from that and follows a consistent line. He just doesn't mind to create au versions, authorize gag crossovers or wild spin offs, because it doesn't affect his main story.
He hasn't contradicted anything in the Devilman timeline: he wrapped up and even retconned what contradicted shit when he published the tankos (like he did since the first devilman: the first chapter who features Satan didn't exist in the magazine version because Satan was added later when he decided to make Akira and Ryo survive. You'll notice his artstyle isn't like the first chapters there). The difference between Devilman and Mazinger is that he cares about Devilman and he's resentful of Mazinger.
Same as the western comics, you're still avoiding the issue: his main continuity of Devilman is kept intact. And he doesn't consider Violence Jack as part of it. He has shunned it from consideration.
Oh sure he cared, when he pulled out Violence Jack.
>He just doesn't mind to create au versions, authorize gag crossovers or wild spin offs, because it doesn't affect his main story.
And exactly what I'm talking about.
If you allow so many AUs in the first place, then there's telling that you actually don't care that much about continuity as some other authors.
>he's resentful of Mazinger.
Bullshit. Just because he feels Devilman should have been more popular doesn't mean he resents Mazinger.
There are only too few of us to shitpost.
>his main continuity of Devilman is kept intact.
I said it's possible for him to contradict himself.
I didn't say he did it.
He doesn't use Marvel/DC comics for that model. He uses Tezuka's own star system.
Do you see Violence Jack in his official Devilman chart? No, me neither. Even Amon is there.
Violence Jack isn't meant to be taken as serious, it's a self indulgent crossover that people bought. It's Violence Jack. You should just accept it and move on.
AUs =! main continuity. Learn a bit more about how multiverse works. The MAIN world is Devilman (some intersequels, and one shots) and Devilman Lady. The rest are just sidestuff for fun and cash. This isn't modified.
Ditto how in Marvel, the world 616 is the main continuity, even if you have what ifs, Ultimate, cartoons, etc.
Oh, RIP. I should read Lady soon.
My point is that Violence Jack ruins any of his continuity claims.
If he cared that much, he wouldn't have pulled out Violence Jack in the first place.
The timeline is there for those who are serious about continuity. No one else really cares.
I don't deny that he may have some more thoughts about continuity reserved for Devilman, since it's his favourite work, but in general, he doesn't care that much.
Anon, he doesn't consider Violence Jack part of Devilman at all. It's just him fucking around. He's not going to take Violence Jack in consideration when he writes I don't know Devilman BEAR, an intersequel where Akira turns into a bear (to give a silly example).
That's why there's not a single Violence Jack reference in all the things Devilman he did after Devilman. Not even one.
It exists in another universe.
Anyone who isn't part demon or demon/god or supernatural isn't around by the end of Lady. But at least her fate was merciful, she was put out misery and found peace. Akira got closure.
Nagai cares enough to keep it separate of Devilman when he makes no nod at it in the stories he writes about Devilman. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it's just not part of Devilman proper. If Nagai, as you claim, didn't care, he would have shoehorned elements of Violence jack and he didn't.
The fact that he created VJ in the first place proves that he doesn't give much of a shit. He wouldn't have involved Devilman in VJ in the first place.
Just look at Mazinger's continuity for an idea.
I think you're making some pretty big claims, have you read interviews where Nagai expresses this? I have some short writings of his on Violence Jack I can't read as I canot into moon, but if someone here can, I'd be happy to scan them.
He created VJ because he could and is a massive crossover he keeps separated from his main work. What's your issue?
I don't care about Mazinger continuity, stop parroting it. You can still love Violence Jack, just don't think it's a real sequel.
The difference is that Go Nagai does care about Devilman continuity. You have him retcon and adding chapters in tankos to keep it neatly ordered.
You should stop trying to push it.
>You have him retcon and adding chapters in tankos to keep it neatly ordered.
You mean to ruin it. Those additions to the original Devilman are fucking trash. His art "fixes" look completely out of place surrounded by the older art, not to mention rather than fixing it, he's ruining the entire composition and taking away from the hypnotizing style he had back then.
Chart was published in an anniversary fanbook, iirc. Probably before Devilman G was published, or it would have been included.
Where? Also what is "True Devilman"? Is it the novelization of the manga the OVA was based on?
>Those additions to the original Devilman are fucking trash.
He added shit SINCE he published the original. The first chapter of volume 1 was added much later when the manga was ongoing. That's why his art is similar to the later volumes unlike the cartoonesque art of the first chapters.
I'm not him.
Here are the kanas for Violence Jack.
That ova was metal as fuck.
>Dick/vagina demon getting melted by acid tits
>Turns out he's liquid or some shit and turns into a frog to kill the acid tits chick
>Guy on the bus gets mad and stabs the driver because he thinks he's a demon (or he's just using that as a lame excuse to kill)
>People going apeshit and killing each other
>That little boy and girl getting ripped apart by demon hunters
>Amon, what else can I say?
>That mental fight for control in Akira's head
There needs to be more brutal shit like that, and have it be surreal and full of testosterone.
>tfw people think the Devilman OVAs were brutal
I just saw it as a regular Japanese cartoon.
Edgy didn't even come to mind while watching it.
That's just how retarded the new gen of anime fans are.
Yes, mentions elements appear there, but aren't included in the official Devilman chart. They are self contained franchises. You should consider their appearance in Violence Jack as relevant as Ryo's appearance in Jun.
The rape of Nanking.
As well as any other human events where inserting dirty things in other people's orifices is involved.
Devilman and Violence Jack look too stylish to be brutal. It doesn't gross me out.
>I just saw it as a regular Japanese cartoon.
>That's just how retarded the new gen of anime fans are.
Well that's pretty stupid. I guess you only know a very, very small portion of "old" anime.
Go Nagai published this chart with Devilman Lady artbook along with a lengthy interview that I haven't bothered to translate yet and more monster girl porn. Then it was recycled for the official anniversary guide and other works.
Grimorie, as someone else noted, is missing because it hasn't begun its serialization.
But the real question is
Does Crazy Uncle Go still got it? Or is he all washed up? Do you think he has any interest in adding anything to his favorite series before he croaks?
>If Nagai cared that much, he wouldn't need to draw up this timeline in the first place.
by this i meant, it wouldn't be that confusing in the first place.
Because the timeline would already be clear. The fact that he's even updating his Devilman manga with new art proves my point even more.
He cared enough to make it. I don't think he thought about it until he finished ordering his ideas after he republished old work and tied it up with Devilman Lady ending. He left Violence Jack out precisely because it doesn't fit his final world building for Devilman.
Don't expect any continuation to the story, as far as he is concerned, in that artbook interview, he finished it with the victory of Akira and Satan and now is up to us to imagine how their world would be like.
Violence Jack still exists and is ongoing, but he's treating it as something separated now, with borrowed elements and characters. Kind of like how he used Mao Dante in Devilman.
The "brutality" is too stylish looking to be grossed out.
Real brutality is gross, but even the scenes of rape in Violence Jack looked awesome, especially with the meta/rock ost in the background.
>Looks it up
>Child gets raped, killed etc,
>the usual brutal stuff
Well there, you get my point.
Pretty sure that's what the nips did when they arrived in Nanking China.
Whenever it's fiction, the brutality is shot or drawn in such a way that while it may appear "brutal'', there's an element of stylishness (dark lighting, fake red blood etc) that makes people not look away, but instead want to watch more of it.
I didn't tell you anything, people began arguing because someone was trying to claim Violence Jack happens between Devilman and Devilman Lady and Shinn VJ after Devilman Lady. That's why the genealogy was posed.