Do you think animators hate working on moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit?
Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
>>110535123
>Bahi
>moeshit
Isn't it sad that animators are rarely given this much artistic freedom?
Why is Bones so based?
>>110535123
>BahiJD
>Space Dandy
>moeshit
>fujoshit
>haremshit
>SHAFT
>KyoAni
I don't think I've ever seen this much bait concentrated into one post.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2014-04-16/the-space-dandy/part-ii-bahi-jd
>A bad director would impose limits on us and make us into animation robots in order to preserve the show's consistency
You can hate Bahi all you want but he is right.
Because everyone must hate all the things you hate.
>>110535123
>KyoAni
Why would anyone leave the only studio that doesn't treat its animators like trash?
>>110535834
Only filthy otakus like moeshit and haremshit tho.
>>110535948
I don't think Bones treat their employees like shit either.
>>110535832
Consistency and inconsistency has their proper places. Maybe Bahi should spend more time sending his work before their deadlines instead of twittering all day about work conditions he doesn't even live in.
>>110535948
Because animators are artists.
They need to express themselves artistically but KyoAni doesn't allow that.
>>110536048
isn't it funny that Bahi's unfinished animation looks better than anything in Ping Pong?
Yuasa is just trash and can't manage schedule for shit.
Animating 20 cuts in one week?
No one can do that.
It's not Bahi's fault.
Yukimura Ai joining KyoAni after working at Madhouse for some time.
A rare case of KyoAni accepting other people into their ranks.
>>110536301
More like it's a rare case of people from a better studio to join kyoani.
>>110536365
>Koreahouse
>good
>He had four projects shot down by #KyoAni. #Yamakan
Sounds like a fucking authoritarian company.
>>110536487
Better than KyoAni at least.
>implying kyoani doesn't use koreans
>>110535123
>Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
I'll be interested in Shaft again once they do another original production, do something with madoka that isn't stupid, air kizu, give denpa another season, release PPD on BD, or make another SZS OVA or season to finish up the story.
I've be interested in KyonAni again once they fix it so Free! isn't their most refreshing and interesting show to air in the past 2 years, give another season for any of their earlier shows that desperately deserve it, or try making something interesting that isn't a SoL.
>>110536559
Kyoani doesn't outsource whole episodes to Korea.
>>110535958
Only filthy landwhales like fujoshit tho.
>>110536832
>>110535958
So they're the same.
http://youtu.be/uTOjLZOBHkY
Animators are into anime and enjoy lots of different aspects to it, just like most fans.
>>110536499
Yamakan is pretty terrible.
>>110536748
>so Free! isn't their most refreshing and interesting show to air in the past 2 years
What the fuck? Free is the same shit they've always done but with shallow male characters swapped for the girls and with more female gaze fanservice. It's not ambitious, interesting or refreshing. It's just pandering.
All the animators I know are lazy cunts who just want to play League of Legends all day and weren't any good with math.
>>110536080
b-but
>>110535832
It's kind of a spot of luck that Space Dandy, being the weird kind of bizarre show it is, actually benefits from odd inconsistent animation.
>>110536928
Do you live in America?
I can't wait for Bahi to move to Japan.
>>110536232
>looks better than anything in Ping Pong?
The fuck you on about
Ping Pong looked glorious.
>>110536897
The characters have substance, theres a plot, relationships between characters progress, and the swimming aspect actually holds relevance. All and all its about a 7/10 show, regardless of the boarderline homo swimmers theme.
Sorry bro but Tamako Market was poorly done in all regards, Chunibyo had terrible writing and didn't deserve a second season, KnK didn't suceed what it wanted to be, and Hyouka was just okay.
No.
>>110536897
I think that's his point.
That everything is so bland, a male cast is the most mold-breaking thing they've done recently.
>>110537060
Compare that to Bahi's works.
>>110537060
>>110537136
I did
and honestly I don't think they could improve at all from what they had
>>110537061
Free landwhales are really this delusional.
>>110537105
Is there a source to this?I want to see this and feel bad about it
>>110535123
Animators only get into the industry because they want to draw moe girls. The pay and working conditions at most studios are awful.
>>110535392
This just convinced me to watch this shit.
>>110535832
Bahi will never survive working on an Okiura project.
>>110537200
So what you're telling me is that all the shows in the second paragraph aren't shit?
>>110537291
Watch the dub. Not even joking.
>>110537105
I hear that owner was this guy.
It sure is fun to be have artistic freedom, but considering that today's anime either has realistic-ish stories that demands consistency than freedom or fantasy LN adaptation with low budget, it's hard to get it.
>>110537061
>Hyouka was just okay
>>110537241
And that's what's killing anime.
The industry is now flooded with mediocre animators.
Talented people left the industry to work elsewhere.
>>110536748
>do something with madoka that isn't stupid
Opinion disregarded.
>>110537314
Bahi can animate super realistically if he wants to.
>>110537410
Then why is animation and production quality getting higher and higher? Animators don't write things, anyways. And when they did and do, they made plenty of cute things all on their own.
>>110537525
Like this?
>>110537525
It's not about realism, it's about consistency. Animation work is a team effort and if you agree to work on a project with a specific character design and specific animation direction, you should respect that.
>>110537410
That thread was deleted for a reason.
>>110535123
No, and no.
>>110537554
>Then why is animation and production quality getting higher and higher
It's not.
>>110537721
Can you tell me a time when more television anime series had better animation and production quality.
>>110537752
When all the things I watch is a cherrypicked high-budget OVA shows made before Japan's economic bubble burst.
>>110535123
>moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit
>*shit
So original and witty, you sir have made me chuckle.
>>110537752
Late night TV anime wasn't a thing before Evangelion.
>>110537836
>>110537560
This is awesome.
>>110537396
I honestly thought there was no worse animation blog than Cartoon Brew.
This picture proved me wrong
>>110537839
I never said only late night TV counted.
But OK, how about just in the past two decades or so since Evangelion was released.
>>110537955
Look at the buttons on their shirts. It's also not culturally accurate. It's an early cut by him, but it's really not very good.
>>110537955
Never really liked the cut with the guy jumping in, but the rest of the sequence is cool.
>>110537895
Does reddit even use le any more? Pretty sure 4chan reclaimed it.
>>110537955
>Over-acted bullshit.
How about no?
>>110537955
When taken out of context.
>>110538088
It's called exaggeration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation#Exaggeration
>>110535123
Fans in Japan and in the west don't reward them for technique or creativity,so what can you expect
>7 hand drawn years,incredibly expensive
>Fresh and exciting story that ultilizes the medium to the fullest extent
>Should have been a golden egg that printed money
>Caused madhouse to go bankrupt
Why didn't you buy Redline /a/?
You could've stopped it.
rotoscoping
>>110537554
But all REAL animators only make mature sci-fi and realistic drama and cartoonish fantasy! No cute things ever (cute things are evil), and definitely never any fanservice (artists hate sexual things).
>>110536830
you mean whole shows
>>110538138
I watched it on the Internet for free because I'm awesome.
>>110538138
because it's not a Trava's sequel.
>>110538138
>Fresh and exciting story
No it wasn't. And some well animated productions do sell, and some others don't.
>>110538120
It doesn't make any sense given the context. And I mean really, look at the fucking buttons.
Bahi should learn how to rotoscope properly.
>>110538120
When you dive closer and closer to reality the principle of exaggeration becomes moot.
I'm sure they just want to be employed.
>>110538120
When that one technique is not used in the rest of anime, it looks unnatural. Japanese drama direction hates using big moves.
>>110538138
>Fresh and exciting story
You can't be serious.
There were many good qualities about Redline, but the story was shitty.
>>110538011
The article is written by someone in the industry who has done animation directing and key animation, and isn't just some random blogger.
>>110538120
It clearly is not exaggeration in the sense you think it is. Overacting is not exaggerating, it's plain bad acting. You can emphasize certain things and not have it looked god-awful and awkward. Classic Disney films have exaggerated movements and it doesn't look nearly as corny as that clip. Even the worst of the Disney 2D library has better animation than that.
>All of the animators leaving for BONES
>There TV anime have been pretty bad outside of Noragami and ZnT the past 3-4 years
>>110538242
Neither Bahi or anything in GITS is rotoscoped. But I know you're just joking.
>>110538242
Goddamn, Okiura's animation always gives me the tingling at the back of my head.
It's like the sakuga version of ASMR.
>>110538317
Chaika was good. And they do always strive for good animation regardless of how bad the show is.
>>110537955
This is rotoscope
Why does nobody mention Yozakura Quartet?
Impressive animation that was consistent for most of the episodes, and didn't have any hype or big names attached.
>>110538413
I'm sure it's the type of show OP would call "moeshit".
>>110538413
>didn't have any hype or big names attached
>Ryo-timo, Shingo Yamashita plus a dozen other web gen animators, and Norio Matsumoto solo animating half an episode
No big names alright.
>>110538317
Except Captain Earth their shows are decent now. The animators are top-notch overall, though. Dat Chaika fights.
I-is this the era of Bones again? Can we now have a sequel to Eureka Seven?Haha.
I'm friends with the guy who does a lot of the animation for Superjail and he said it's actually pretty easy and quick, even if you hate it or like it.
Even god-tier animation apparently is done fairly quickly due to modern techniques and equipment making it easy enough to finish the entire animation for an episode within a day or two. I can't imagine animators would hate their work if it goes by so fast.
>>110538487
Chaika's animation ranged from shit to okay at best, and lets not even talk about Soul Eater Not. Space Dandy has been stealing Bones best animators.
>>110538228
It's an indirect sequel,the best kind of sequel.
>>110538500
I just watched KLK documentary.
It took them an entire week to animate just one cut for the OP.
>>110538399
They should get better writers sometimes.
>>110538413
YQ has a lot of big names.
>>110538564
Then they were being incompetent and judging from a lot of the mess ups they did along the way I'm not surprised. Most of that time was probably used experimenting with something or fixing a fuck-up.
>>110535123
Sure, but I think they like getting paid more.
>>110538500
>finish the entire animation for an episode within a day or two
Maybe for a show like Teekyu, sure.
>>110538500
>comparing flash animation to hand drawn
you needed at least one reply to your bullshit. so there you go.
>>110538672
10 weeks hand-drawn
RIP in pieces Emura
>>110538500
Even if it's true, if it's repetitive then it's not much better than your average factory workers' jobs. Mediocrity is the norm there. People can't help desiring more than that. A good director and his studio team would anticipate that, and act.
I think animators hate working in terrible conditions and getting inhumane pay. In this case I don't believe they want to leave KyoAni, but SHAFT? Yes.
>>110538667
>Superjail
>FLASH tweens
Welcome to Wrongville. Population, you.
I'm sure he misheard the information though. There are many part of the animation process that you can accomplish quite easily, but finished animation is not one of them.
>>110538529
It was pretty good for what was probably their lowest priority show at the time.
>>110538702
10 weeks is crazy for anime but it's quite common for Disney film, apparently.
Sometimes the animator can spend a month to just plan out a scene, doing study, thumbnailing and shit.
Or maybe they're just being lazy. I don't know.
Once more for good measure.
>Bahi JD
>>110535123
They don't leave anyone or anything, animators are freelancers and work for different studios all the time.
>>110535392
It's sad that there's ignorant people like you.
>>>110535832
Bahi is just proving more that he is a retard who don't understand nothing about animation production.
Each animator have their own place for work, they are not robots since directors leave work for them, but you can't just disregard the whole thing simply because muh style.
Bahi is a pretentious sandnigger, the worst possible mis ever existed.
>>110538860
Disney animators seem to do a lot of research on the subject they are animating, so taking many weeks sounds normal.
>>110538860
That webm was a movie scene.
>>110538768
Yes. It uses Flash.
Why do people still think the only tool in Flash is tweening? Flash is a great program.
>>110537362
>>110537291
I like the dub a lot but I found it not nearly as good during the more serious moments of the series.
>>110538949
Its brush and pencil tool are shit though.I still use it because I'm too lazy to learn TVPaint.
>>110538949
Flash animation is slang for flash tweening, because the tweening does the animation for you. If they're using flash to draw frame by frame then nobody says "animated with flash".
>>110536748
Can't we leave Madoka alone? It's really good as is.
>>110537105
>animators tell that he like what he's doing
>directors explains how industry works
>they using it as "proof" to muh industry dying shitposting
Every time.
>>110538965
Since when is Dandy ever serious?
>>110538949
Because muh Flash boogeyman.
>>110539122
>Since when is Dandy ever serious?
>Space Dandy - 13
I like the dub better for that one too, because autotuned qt is qt
>>110539077
>Flash animation is slang for flash tweening
Maybe for retards on /a/ it is.
>If they're using flash to draw frame by frame then nobody says "animated with flash".
Then what the fuck do you call it. "Animated with Flash but not really"?
>>110539134
>stock face assets
>>110539134
>flash AND cg
Holy shit it's like this gif encompasses the entirety of animation cancer.
>>110535123
>>110536080
>Source: my ass
BONES should invest in some writers
I'm so fucking tired of this shit and you pretentious faggots.
If you think things are bad why don't you fucking leave? why the fuck do you need to make all this waste of time threads and shitposting on /a/ when you are not going to watch half of the shows because "muh muh industry".
I'm really sick of you.
>>110536048
>about work conditions he doesn't even live in.
He's not allowed to be concerned for his coworkers' lives and the state of the industry he's a part of?
>>110539211
take a break bruh. remember it's 4:20 somewhere
>/v/ using animation as an excuse to hate on moe
As little as /a/ knows about animation, /v/ knows even less.
Talented animators work on whatever arouses their passions. And whatever pays well. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't. Not all animators are some sort of auteur looking to create true art, most are just otaku with a vested interest in anime of all sorts. Remember pic related?
I mean, come on, you'd have to be stupid to think that somehow moe and fanservice is inversely correlated with production quality. Look at War on Geminar. Look at YZQ. Look at K-On. Look at fucking Milky Holmes. Hell, let us not forget one of the greatest animators of all time, who did the iconic god-warrior scene in Nausicaa pretty much solo, and went on to invent a revolutionary breast jiggle. Oh, and Eva.
>>110539110
To be fair, though, a lot of directors in anime are just failed film directors, so they have film-based outlooks. Thankfully, that's becoming less and less the case.
>>110538867
I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
No bully Bahi. He made a deal with the devil and it shows in his face. Bully arasan instead.
>>110538860
Remember that Disney has ridiculous manpower, though
>>110537362
>>110538965
Fuck off, /co/.
>>110538500
And I know a guy from Archer who says the animation is pretty simple.
That doesn't say shit about anime, though. You have to understand that the practices are completely different. Hell, in the west, 2D animation is more akin to puppetry nowadays.
>>110538949
This is true. But again, It's not good to be RELIANT on anything but your hands.
>>110537105
Anyone who likes Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou is all right by me.
>>110535123
Not really. A lot of animators love working on moeshit. They're willing to do it even if they're paid peanuts. A lot of their personal drawings are moeshit and a lot of them love idolshit, too. Why the fuck else would they continue to do it if the pay is so horrible and the competition is cutthroat?
Bahi is a cancer in the anime industry. His stuff is so visually jarring that Jun Arai cuts might be better if that's even possible. At least they're hilariously bad. Either way, they both have a similar effect.
There is not a huge job market for animators. They don't care what they are working on. Do you hate working at Target? Would you rather work a more glamorous retail job? Tough shit.
>>110539256
>Bully arasan instead.
Arasan is GOAT
>>110535832
"Imposing limits in order to preserve the show's consistency" doesn't necessarily make the staffs into robots. It's just a case of wholly bad directing. It is not the case that the show needs animation consistency or not, but it is the case that whether the animation fits into his vision or not. The ability to realize his vision is a sign of good directing, but this is too much to ask nowadays. "Directors" now have barely any visions at all. Quite the contrary, directors necessarily have to be authoritarian and impose limits, in order to capture the vision he wants to the visual art. This is why it's often that, back then, directors such as Ingmar Bergman only hired the same casts over and over again, since it's his "circlejerking team", who could stand his detailed and demanding vision.
>>110538413
Reminder that YQ was animated digitally, probably in RETAS aka Japanese Flash.
>>110539161
>Maybe for retards on /a/ it is.
People use "flash" in place of "software tweening" all the time, even on /co/.
>Then what the fuck do you call it. "Animated with Flash but not really"?
It's just using a software program to compile the drawn frames, whether they're scanned in or using a tablet. It doesn't really matter what program it is, people will say it's handdrawn animation if it's done without tweens, even if the program they used was flash/toonboom/whatever.
I remember some fag tried to pass off Ghibli movies (who use a software program Toonz) as proof of "the wonders of what flash like programs can do" and putting it beside tweened shows like Wakfu, Wonder over Yonder, etc, while completely misunderstanding how they actually use their given programs.
Continued from >>110539324
Reading the interview, it's obvious that he intended to praise Watanabe as an example of good director. However, judging from his statements, obviously he didn't know even the basics of visual art directing, like I mentioned above. Take a look at his words on "go wild and free", while remaining "in balance" (in moderation). It means nothing other than "he's happy under Watanabe('s limits)". Nothing other than that.
I'm disappointed with him. For someone to be given a chance to argue at all would mean that he has enough credibility to speak on the subject. I suspect that he only got the chance on ANN because he's a "successful gaijin", to promote bigger overseas marketing. Literally worse than identity politics.
>>110539235
He doesn't know.
>>110539328
And it looked damn nice for a TV anime.
I wish more studios would understand that consistency matters.
So many shows where they dump half the budget into the first episode, and then have to stretch their budget for the rest of the season.
>>110539328
A lot of YZQ was still animated on pencil and paper, the episodes with the "digital animation" credits were the ones that had extensive usage of software such as Flash or something similar for drawing.
>>110539256
>I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
I don't think anyone really denies that the guy has animation talent.
He's just a huge prick that tries to act older than he is by parroting Watanabe's opinions and who believes in the mythical "golden age of anime" that people from /co/ and /v/ like to go on about.
>>110535123
First, I'd like to know why there are people who not only tolerate, but unironically like and defend Shinbo's bullshit in SHAFT. There's individual style, and then there's Shinboism. Fuck him.
>>110539328
The director uses Flash.
One of the animation directors build his own customized version of Flash according to Bahi.
>>110539256
Also reminds me of the Shaft porn animations.
>>110539235
He's working in Japan right now.
>>110539256
>I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
Ever consider the fact that you might have shit taste? It could be your limitation as a gaijin.
>>110539393
cuz SHinbo is good
he's like the Kubrick of anime
>>110536080
>Kyoani
>Not one of the few studios with control of their assets.
>Not one of the few studios that pays its animators a living wage
>Not one of the few studios that don't have to suck a publisher/producer's cock
Say what you will about their shows, KyoAni is by far the mostFREEof the studios. Hell, gay swimming is entirely a labor of love.
>>110539134
>>110539166
The irony is that despite their invention of the principles, one of Disney cartoons' biggest weaknesses today is their reluctance to go off-model or use exaggerations.
>>110539181
CG references have been used in anime since the late 80s. Come the fuck on.
>>110539204
No shit OP is /v/ermin.
>>110539277
>>110539291
This is very much true. Animation has a ridiculously high turnover rate, over 50% if I remember correctly. That's why they're treated so badly. There's such a big supply of wannabe animators that they drive their own wages down.
Need a union or anything.
>Bahi is a cancer in the anime industry. His stuff is so visually jarring that Jun Arai cuts might be better if that's even possible. At least they're hilariously bad. Either way, they both have a similar effect.
>Using a in-between frame
Pls.
You could say the same about Ohira, Yamashita, Ryosuke Sawa, Niho, and a bazillion net animators. It's not unique to him. Don't just hate on Bahi because he's famous, find actual reasons. I mean, sure, he's overrated, but by no means is he shit. Anymore. He used to be just terrible, but improved a ton.
>>110539308
Otaking pls
>>110539328
Digital assistance =! digital animation.
It's drawn by hand, edited together with a computer and colored and processed as such. It isn't interpolated or anything with CG, like you see in many flash cartoons.
Unless you mean literally it's frames set in motion by a computer. Then, yes.
>>110539489
>the Kubrick of anime
Shut up you
>>110537061
>Hyouka was just okay
>>110539393
Shinbo are barely involved with SHAFT's shows nowadays. If you want to watch Shinbo being Shinbo, watch Cossette.
>>110539489
If you want to bait like that, go back to >>>/tv/.
>>110539496
People hates Bahi because he speaks English.
If /a/ can read Japanese they'd probably hate Kitakubo more.
>>110539277
Pretty much. I don't know why "outsiders" seem to think industry people and animators are casuals like them. They're nerds and otakus and animefags (or like Anno said, "basically autistic"). Really, why wouldn't they be?
>>110539328
I've heard this before. How did they use that program?
>>110539496
Disney's talent is long gone. Japan surpassed them a long time ago.
>>110535123
>Do you think animators hate working on moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit?
Yes.
>Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
Very few talented artists work on anime.
>>110537136
Ping Pong is much better. Bahi'd animation is pretty fucking good but it doesn't have any artistic merit and isn't as interesting as the animation is Ping Pong. Ping Pong is much more visually appealing to me as well.
>>110539576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446gA-tw6pE
>>110539565
What has been Kitakubo been up to lately anyway?
>>110537291
Word of advice, S2 so far is amazing, and probably 10 times better than S1.
I personally liked moments of S1, but I never actually laughed at a lot of the stuff, I was just amused. I kept watching because I enjoyed the premise and it was a fun ride because of Dandys English voice actor, which is why it gets in my top 10.
However, S2 I've actually, legitimately laughed, and kept laughing multiple times. And we're only 2 episodes in.
So if you find season 1 a struggle, push on my friend, you'll probably find the second season a lot more enjoyable. If you find season 1 enjoyable like I did, you'll love season 2. Just as others have said, make sure to watch it dubbed.
>>110539621
*in Ping Pong
>>110539578
As much as I absolutely loathe CG animation, Disney is pretty good at it.
There's talent in Disney, its just that they're forced to waste it on shit.
>>110539635
Didn't he work on that shitty Gonzo show?
>>110539578
Thats fucking hilarious
Kill yourself kid. Japan wishes it could be at Disney level.
>>110539378
Because they have to make an impact to impress people. Lots of shows don't have any budget at all to use in the first place, and stretching out the first episode won't make much of a difference spread out to 12 episodes.
That said, I think this issue is getting better and better, actually. Some shows have had pretty good consistency lately.
>>110539328
What do you mean "animated digitally"? Something can be coloured digitally, and compiled digitally, but if each frame is hand drawn then the animation itself isn't digital.
>>110539496
>You could say the same about Ohira, Yamashita, Ryosuke Sawa, Niho, and a bazillion net animators.
I would say the same about a lot of net animators. They're kinda shit compared to the people who studied traditionally. That's what happens when you spend all your time trying to animate nakamura swordfights and fx and shit that isn't really practical all day. painvsnaruto.wmv
>>110539653
If it's true, then I don't even know why too. Even if they just make an average to decent shows the market would still pick any Disney movies. Why even care that much?
>>110539661
>>110539635
Not Gonzo
>?????? ?????????2014??????????OP
>>110539578
Nah.
There's still plenty of talent at Disney.
>Japan surpassed them a long time ago.
Japan is still trying to into CG.
>>110539433
You mean SHAFT porn, or ACTUAL Shinbou porn?
>>110539410
>>110539328
>>110539378
>>110539382
Again, nothing wrong with flash. Computer tweening is a big issue, but no shit people have been using computer assistance to animate for a decade now. You know how tough it is to edit on film? You know the difficulties of coloring in cels? Yeah, think about that for a moment. Meticulously coloring EVERY FUCKING DETAIL with a camel hair brush on translucent sheets. Especially with shading, oh the fucking shading.
It's very challenging, to say the least.
Again, distinction between digital assistance, and all-digital animation.
>>110539519
>Shinbo are barely involved with SHAFT's shows nowadays. If you want to watch Shinbo being Shinbo, watch Cossette.
Or Soultaker. OrMadoka.
It's a shame Oishi left Shaft, I loved his direction in Bake.
>>110539393
Because he makes the most of what he has, which is usually jack squat. It's in the same vein as Dezaki.
>>110539479
No, I was genuinely surprised too. He's really not a bad animator (anymore).
>>110539578
Disney still gets talent. It just squanders it.
>>110539621
>Any animation
>No artistic merit
Oh anon sing me thine tale from thine arse.
>>110539653
>Implying
I watched the first ten minutes of Frozen. The textures were worse than toy story. Bleh.
>>110539696
They could probably be Disney or higher if they had money. Western animation and studios are usually very well funded. Poor animators in Nippon have to make do with a pittance after their distributors take the bulk of the earnings.
>>110538400
nah man, I've seen the cuts Bahi did and it's not rotoscoped.
>>110539696
Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
>>110539653
I won't deny it. Frozen and Tangled are incredible. But I was referring to 2D animation. I think when Japan invests completely in 3D, they'll be even better.
>>110539700
>That's what happens when you spend all your time trying to animate nakamura swordfights and fx and shit that isn't really practical all day. painvsnaruto.wmv
Have you even considered that they weren't given any chances at all to study traditionally, i.e., as a protege? IIRC only Sunrise consistently do that, even when Tomino often being a dick master figure.
>>110539746
They are well funded because they have the talent to be.
Don't try and pretend Japan is at their level. Their animators had to go through school just like they did.
>>110539700
It's because traditional animators learnt by doing inbetweens for years before they ever actually got good at anything. Now koreans do most of those instead.
>>110539806
Well then why doesn't japan just become korea
>>110539788
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
>
>Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
This is some nice bait
>>110539788
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
Yo man, 101 Dalmatians was the shit.
>>110539735
>Oh anon sing me thine tale from thine arse.
you shouldn't reply if you don't have anything to say
>>110535948
TMS also treats it's animators wonderful too.
>>110539849
It was great. I should have said plateau, not peaked.
>>110539700
Ohira is an associated professor in animation.
I'm pretty sure he must have studied traditionally.
>>110538965
So for 5 minutes total?
>>110539839
Imaishi is a one trick pony.
>>110539839
Can you name some good currently working western animators who are involved in television or film now.
>>110539788
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
>Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
Jesus Christ, go back to fucking Gaia or something. You are starting to sound like a legitimate weaboo.
>>110535123
So this guy is a baka gaijin that somehow got a work in anime industry as an animator? That's pretty interesting.
>>110539788
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
Someone get this hothead outta here
>>110539788
>Imaishi and Yuasa as examples of good animators
>Imaishi a good director
k man...it's time to stop posting...anywhere
>>110538894
You are certainly the most educated one here, anonymous. I trust you more than anyone to tell it to me like it actually is.
>>110539859
Holy shit he's asking that under what criteria you are judging artistic merits and animations from. Without doing that you're basically pulling shit out of your ass you dumb pretentious fuck.
>>110539788
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
This is some great trolling. Sleeping Beauty was great but Disney had a ton of well animated films that came after. Mother fucking Sleeping Beauty came out in 1959 for fucks sake.
You need to tone the weeaboo down.
>>110539735
>>Any animation
>>No artistic merit
If I drew a flipbook's worth of me fucking you in the ass, is that art?
>>110539893
Glen Keane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CG_PoEWCg
>>110539931
I dunno, if its anatomically correct, and smooth.
fucking Bahi is living my dream ;_;
>>110539931
That'd be pretty cool.
I always wanted to try drawing a flipbook, but along with the amount of time and patience, and having no artistic skill whatsoever, I never got around to it.
The americans never mastered 2D animation, Milt Kahl was the only guy at disney who was on the same level as Inoue but now, Inoue already broke Milt's limit.
The japanese mastered 2D animation with Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Iso, Ohira, Okiura.
>>110539913
Even a monkey can draw. What is important are ideas and aesthetics. Anime is really uncreative and lack artistry. It's a product, commodity rather than art.
>shaft
>talent
They go to fucking deen. Still an improvement, I guess.
What a fantastic thread this is. We have /co/cks, weebs, anti-weebs, and retards who have no fucking clue what they're talking about. You faggots should all go kill yourselves.
These few seconds still has more frames of actual drawn animation than most current western shows do for a whole episode.
>The americans never mastered 2D animation
Bullshit, Disney during the latter half of the twentieth century was nigh unbeatbale for animation quality.
>>110539991
>These few seconds still has more frames of actual drawn animation than most current western shows do for a whole episode.
I blame Adventure Time and Stuart Snyder.
>>110539988
I blame Bahi. He's like a miniature Miyazaki in his ability to create shitposts.
>>110539955
I guess that's a good point.
What if it was just stick figures? That's how I imagined it.
>>110539977
Just do it, nerd.
>>110539700
See, I don't get that. They aren't conventional certainly and don't have the same amount of detail but that minimalism also gives them a ton of room to explore other things in almost an expressionist sense. You get a lot more freedom of movement with the simplified character designs, and the choreography is usually top-notch. Honestly, it isn't too much different from what Iso or Nakamura or Tanaka have been doing for years - cutting down on shades and internal linework to give the animation more dynamism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duV_Po5SzvY
The problem isn't with their style. It's with their youth and inexperience. They seem so eager to make a name and to be unique that sometimes they put the verisimilitude and consistency of the show as a second priority. That's the problem, NOT their artstyle. It's the fact they're pretentious. Don't worry, they'll learn in time. Yamashita certainly has toned down quite a bit.
>>110539788
>Implying
Williams.gif
There's no point comparing cock sizes. Both east and west have good talent, east just has more of it, or at least is utilizing more of it, with the dearth of 2D in the west.
>>110539798
No shit, that's why they're called "net animators". They don't come to notoriety through ordinary channels. That said, they're certainly not bad.
>>110539862
Famicom pls go back to /co/
>>110539884
>I've literally only been here since KLK aired
Hahahahahaha
I hate how his name has become a buzzword now.
>>110539910
>>>/tumblr/
Seriously animation threads draw in the worst /co/ fags.
>>110539931
Artistic merit is completely subjective; it's very biased to say what has and doesn't have artistic merit. We live in a post-structuralist world, anon.
And yes, I'd be flattered.Can I be a cute trap?
>>110539988
Agreed.
That said it is still nice to get a few animation threads here and there.
>>110540027
TRANSLATION
ERROR
How many times will it take before you retards get it.
>>110537241
No that 90% fake. Only the smaller studios are like that, most the of major ones pay at least 2000 yen a hour.
>>110539880
I didn't say he wasn't trained traditionally. His work in GITS for example is very good. I don't like his 2deep4u style (like in FLCL) but I can't deny some of the work he's done.
>>110539798
Sure, but that doesn't change anything.
>>110539922
Disney's golden age of innovating and experimentation happened well before their full featured film era.
They've been stagnating for literal decades. Most of their best work is in Silly Symphonies. Cartoons from the 30's. People on 4chan aren't capable of grasping this, of course, because they believe anything with a smooth framerate is the pinnacle of good animation.
Stay wrong, though. The achieved technical perfection of their ideals with Sleeping Beauty, and they've been coasting ever since.
>>110539981
What about Richard Williams?
>>110539950
> who are involved in television or film now.
I meant actually animating for television and film. And actually now.
>>110540078
I agree to some extent.
All their feature films are good though, up until the Nigger and the Nigger.
>>110540059
>>110540078
I want you guys to leave
>>110539735
>>110539913
I'll rephrase- it doesn't have as much artistic merit as the animation in Ping Pong.
Bahi's animation is pretty appealing aesthetically but it doesn't have any intended (or unintended) meaning or purpose, and in Ping Pong it's much more creative and interesting, both aesthetically and not.
>>110540078
You're wrong though.
>The achieved technical perfection of their ideals with Sleeping Beauty
Sleeping Beauty isn't from 30s.
>>110540027
Bahi is a troll.
Seriously.
He shitposted sakuga thread.
He says controversial things on twitter.
He samefagged sakuga videos on youtube.
He's trying to stir shit up on sakugabooru.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's in this thread.
>>110540078
Oh yes and glorious nippon has been innovating since forever amirite?
Please leave and kill yourself.
>>110536951
Well, it did sell a shitload
>>110540059
>How many times will it take before you retards get it.
I know it was. It still creates shitposts. Those week of threads in January were so, so terrible.
I also blame ANN. For everything they do. I hate them so much.
>>110540157
They've been innovating the art of cute girls.
>>110540106
I don't dislike Disney or their work. The Emperor's New Groove is better than most of the anime on my 3x3. It's just a fact that they stagnated and the talent in Japan is greater now than it ever was in the West.
>>110540078
>The achieved technical perfection of their ideals with Sleeping Beauty
Who Framed Roger Rabbit is arguably more technically impressive than Sleeping Beauty. You're also talking out of your ass.
>>110540157
Ghibli (they're more or less Disney's counterpart) has been stagnating for about 10 years, but other than that it has been much more innovative than American mainstream animation.
>>110540157
Name one visionary in the West on the level of either Hiroyuki Imaishi or Masaaki Yuasa. I'll give you forever, because you'll never answer seriously.
>>110538672
Is innocence worth watching? I've seen the first GITS movie and Solid State Society, I loved them very much.
>>110540230
Don Hertzfeldt.
>>110540082
>This scene already look good on 3s
>let's add more frames
>See? It looks better on 2s.
>more frames
>1s is the best. Why stopped at 2s when you can animate on 1s?
Richard Williams' lecture in a nutshell.
>>110539984
>Even a monkey can draw.
A monkey can't draw you goddamn stupid sacks of pretentious bullshit. Cue the 'thousand monkeys type randomly in eternity and have a chance to produce Hamlet' thought-experiment.
>What is important are ideas and aesthetics.
Stop. Beating. Around. The. Bush.
Do tell then so I can ridicule your apparent waste of life.
>Anime is really uncreative and lack artistry. It's a product, commodity rather than art.
HOW the fuck then? You can of course do literary criticism using Frankfurt Schools of thought and methodology (for example Adorno's critique of mass culture), but you MUST establish a REASON as to why you relate this theory to the current social facts, and then you must explain HOW the problem is interlinked to artistic domain AND social domain. For starter, it is a MASS art for a reason. Even Adorno acknowledged that.
>>110540156
>He's trying to stir shit up on sakugabooru.
I love going there. What's he doing?
But yes I can find it very easy to believe he trolls forums.
>>110540157
They're at least keeping their industry alive .
>>110540254
Do you like philosophy quotes being shoved up your ass for two hours?
>>110540214
>rotoscoping
>technically impressive
>>110537752
Between Wuzzles to CyberSix.
>>110540254
Innocence is the definition of pretentious. I wouldn't recommend watching it.
>>110538281
I stand corrected
>>110540230
Sylvain Chomet
>>110540288
Is it that bad story-wise?
>>110539433
Say what?
>>110540139
He never stated that Sleeping Beauty was from the 30's. He was talking about Silly Symphonies when the 30's were mentioned.
>>110540230
>Imaishi
>visionary
Jesus mate, at least name Miyazaki or something. Yes, yes, I know - he's a fucktard and an overrated one, but you can't deny that HE has vision.
Is there any CG movie that looks better than Captain Harlock?
>>110540156
>Any animator
>Caring about /a/
>>110540134
Maybe, but I wouldn't really call that artistic merit.
>>110540167
I fucking hate Zac.
>>110540177
And god bless.
>>110540157
Honestly, more so than the west. Necessity is the mother of invention, and Nips typically have many small studios with small budgets rather than a handful with infinite money. A lot of things in anime, photograph memories or the use of action lines or the cinematic feel shows started to take on past the late 70s - all can be attributed to that. Japanese animators have certainly been more innovative in exploring new things, which is part of why I don't fully understand the hate for net animators.
>>110540230
Do you know only those two names?
Don Bluth.
Again, I still think Japanese have been more innovative, but you're a retard if you think the west has no good animators.
>>110540186
True, but that's because they hit a plateau with quality. They no longer needed to innovate to make things look nice, they can just polish it until it does.
Again, necessity is the mother of invention.
>>110540294
Holy shit. Do you literally not know what rotoscoping means?
>Roger rabbit
>rotoscoping
At least use Heavy metal or something you dumb shit
>>110540271
That's why he went broke, man.
>>110540371
Transformers.
>>110539950
Aw man Keane is the shit. Loved his work in the little mermaid, and everything else of course.
>>110540334
Its very pretty, the soundtrack is nice, but I really can't remember a single thing from the story except for constant quotations and namedropping philosophers.
It has been a couple years since I watched it though.
>>110540315
How about the new material? Arise? Does that hold water?
>>110540376
>tfw they ruined Maka forever
>we will never see original Maka animated again
;_;
>>110535123
>moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit
Fuck off.
>>110538241
>>110538268
Story was fine,it had a plot that justified itself,and did justice to every action movie ever made.The only story problem was the loose end where they never explained the giant fucking blue monster mear the end.
>>110540399
No, I mean for real.
>>110540376
animation (in itself) is a really aesthetic medium, and as such its artistic merit should be judged according to its innovation, creativity and aesthetic appeal.
>>110540284
You do know western animations makes a shit ton more than japanese animation and is very much so still alive.
Wait wait wait
Bahi is a 19 year old austrian kid who started to work in pro animation because he made gud gif animations?
What am I doing with my life?
>>110540420
I haven't watched it, but I've heard that Arise is pretty, "eh." Not exactly good, but not exactly bad either.
Since this thread seems to be about anything now
>America goes to japan to make the Tron cartoon
>Goes to korea to make Avatar and Korra
>goes to japan to make the Pacific Rim cartoon
Whether you think they're shit or not, they do/will have things like plot and action. Why doesn't someone make a western studio to do them instead?
So now that Pixar has gone down the toilet and contracted Sequelitis, where do we turn to for "good" animated movies in the West?
>>110540437
Well excuse me but you fuckers are cancer.
>>110540473
Stop fapping to moe girls and study Loomis, anon.
>>110540455
It's profitable but unvaried. As much as I'm bitching against the "Nippon strong" guy It's true.
>>110540450
Again, true, but you can call it something better. All art, good or bad has value and merit as art. That's not a basis to judge it on. Judge it on how it positively or negatively it impacts the show, or how engaging it is.
>>110540376
I'm simply talking about the best of our era. Japan's best now is better than the West ever was. They're ahead. Why is this so hard to accept? Do you honestly believe Western animation is some untouchable juggernaut that no one will ever surpass because they made the first strides in the medium? No. Japan won. Deal with it.
>if you think the west has no good animators.
I don't think I ever said or implied this. I think you're just a mad little anon who desperately wants a villain to shitpost against.
>>110540156
>He samefagged sakuga videos on youtube.
Which one? The only youtube thing from him I recall is that Hisashi Mori one on the Clannad video.
>>110540496
The french, and the S. Koreans.
There will never be a serious animated film with a proper budget in North America in the foreseeable future.
>>110540525
>All art, good or bad has value and merit as art.
Post-structuralist bullshit.
>>110540496
Mainstream good or hipster good? Because The Triplets of Belleville for example is a 10/10. Maybe European indeh animators are our only hope.
>>110540497
http://archive.foolz.us/a/search/text/moeshit/capcode/mod/
Fuck off.
>>110540525
>but unvaried.
Yes cause we can't categorize every single show that airs each season because its soooo varied.
>These threads
Not even going to CTRL+F, did the retard from /co/ already posted that more fps=better animation just because?
>>110538605
Don't you lose your waaaaay in the cuts, we have to wreeeck this budgeeeet~
>>110540538
Not him, but
>Japan's best now is better than the West ever was. They're ahead.
Can you give me an example?
>Japan won.
Contrary to popul/a/r belief, it ain't about winning. Don't subscribe to /a/'s win-or-lose bullshit.
>>110540573
>>110540593
>French
They don't dish out a whole lot of animated movies these days, though ;_;
>S Koreans
I know a lot of animation work is outsourced to them, but what they do over there isn't that high-quality.
>>110540497
>DBZ reaction pic
>using moeshit seriously
>calls others cancer
Holy shit the irony
>>110540538
No, and I'll agree with you that Nipland is better off now, but to say that
>Name one visionary in the West on the level of either Hiroyuki Imaishi or Masaaki Yuasa.
Is a bit extreme.
Still, if you're talking contemporary. specify next time.
>>110540496
Seth Macfarlene;_;
>>110540591
Let's save this discussion for elsewhere then.
>>110540609
What?
No one said that you have to have "uncategorizable" shit to be varied.
But when shit like Adventure Time gets praised for innovation, you know you're in a shithole.
Kill everyone in this thread
>>110540636
The gooks have potential though.
And they're at least producing 2D animation.
>>110540525
I was talking specifically about animation, regardless of context intentionally. I wasn't comparing Space Dandy to Ping Pong, I was comparing two specific animators.
In its context Yuasa's animation is much better and engaging than Bahi's, but that's an unfair comparison since Bahi is just an animator and not the person who runs the entire thing- he doesn't have as much impact.
>>110540423
If BONES ever remakes SOul Eater I'm sure they will keep the original artstyle, not whatever they were trying to make with NOT anime
>>110540455
>You do know western animations makes a shit ton more than japanese animation and is very much so still alive.
Don't they mostly just ship the storyboards off to korea now? Or maybe you mean the canadian flash tweening guys? It's hardly doing very well as far as I can see.
>>110540496
I guess the other pixars, dreamworks or disney (tangled was so much better than fucking frozen). Not that there's much difference between them. Maybe wait for the next Chomet movie. Other than that maybe some shorts?
>>110540525
Not even trying to be "nippon strong", if there's anyone that would like to see western animation really come to life it'd be me.
>>110540496
Disney animation makes original movies and not sequels. Pixar also has 3 upcoming films that are not sequels. Dream works recently released how to train your dragon 2.
>>110540636
Kaiba is high art, and the finest example on our planet.
>>110540538
>Why is this so hard to accept?
You're not listening to the criticism that was made against you by EVERYONE in this thread. You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west and disregard the shortcomings of the Japanese animation industry. The western animation industry isn't perfect, but neither are the Japs. Yet, you're plugging your ears shut and pretending that the Japs are fucking perfect and that Disney hasn't produced any meaningful material since 1930.
Go back to fucking gaia.
>>110540676
>It's hardly doing very well as far as I can see.
Those canadians make more money with their shows than any anime that airs on television.
>>110540654
I have literal heart palpitations when I hear Seth Macfarlanes name.
Can't stand any of his shows.
Aren't they all ripoffs of The Simpsons anyways.
>>110540473
Hopefully getting a better salary than animators. And he's older now. 23.
>mfw I dropped Space Dandy 2 after seeing his shitstain of a cut in episode 1.
God I fucking hate his work. Fuck you guys who said "he got a lot better." He got worse. I'd rather watch his Apollon cuts over this Arasan-tier shit (sorry Arasan, but seriously stop taking a giant dump in the middle of an otherwise nicely-progressing episode...that shit in Shinsekai Yori was unacceptable).
>>110540681
Are you somehow implying that HTTYD 2 is bad?
>>110540654
Adventure Time is for children but regardless it has great animation aswell.
>>110540720
There's more to an industry's health than how much money the employees make.
>>110540740
Not at all. Its actually good.
I was just stating it just came out.
>>110540654
>Macfarlene
Fuck off
>>110540746
>Adventure Time is for children
Not really.
Everybody at Uni fucking loves Adventure Time.
I mean, why not? It's a fun show.
>>110540591
How is that statement post-structuralist?
>>110540654
Adventure time is great. I just wanted to say that.
>>110540776
considering they constantly release new shows or seasons I would say they are doing well.
Totally Spies is still getting new episodes.
>>110540734
Arasan's SSY ep3 work was cool.
>>110540796
It's for children, man.
MLP is for children too, no matter how many manchildren like it.
>>110540705
>You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west
There's been some names dropped but they're not doing much right now.
Is there a wiki for all of this animation jargon?
>>110540796
Nothing is wrong with liking a show for children. I'm just saying its aimed at children and it airs on cartoon network.
>>110540796
Cartoons nowadays are mostly watched by young-adults and adults themselves
Kids now could care less about cartoons and toys
>>110540814
>Totally Spies is still getting new episodes.
You're kidding.
The second longest running animation in America now is Arthur. Behind the Simpsons of course.
>>110540837
The New Frontier was not for children, anon. That shit was psychologically charged.
>>110540636
In the west a movie like 5cm/s wouldn't have gotten so mainstream-popular, and Eve no Jikan wouldn't have gotten a theatrical release. And that's before I started talking about the obvious obligatory names like Yuasa.
>>110540746
>>110540837
well there's "for children" and then there's "all ages"
>>110539788
>Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
Tex Avery & Bob Clampett will like to have a word with you.
>>110540818
>those fx
>that retarded arasan pose where their arms and legs are spread out like a starfish
>that shading
Basically takes all immersion out of a show. 1/10 would not hire
>>110540882
this phrase doesn't translate well
*and that's before I started talking about the obvious obligatory names like Yuasa.
>>110540860
WHEN WILL THIS HIATUS END
>>110540746
> it has great animation aswell.
Animation is handled overseas in Korea, courtesy of Rough Draft Korea, a sister studio of Rough Draft Studios, Inc.[23][24] Actually animating an episode takes about three to five months.[22][23] During this time, retakes, music scoring, and sound design are completed.[22] Once the animation is finished, it is sent back to America where it is reviewed; during this time, the staff looks for mistakes in the animation, or "things that didn’t animate the way [the staff] intended".[23] These issues are then fixed in Korea and the episode is finished.[23]
>>110540837
Adventure Time is generally for all ages.
MLP, on the other hand was always originally intended for little girls until /co/ unfortunately changed that.
>>110540746
>AT
>Great animation
Pfft.
It's consistent because of flash tweening but there's nothing creative in the camerawork, style, choreography, or anything else, really.
>>110540796
>>110540810
>AT
>Great show
/co/ pls
And uni kids only like it for the hip appeal. And because western animation is so starved for creativity anything with a drop of energy is praised as the second coming of Darkwing Duck.
>>110540818
He's alright when he animates. He doesn't really ever animate, though. Just draws clouds shaped like triangles.
>>110540860
>That gif
>good
The posing is awkward, the choreography is beond stiff, the effects are mediocre and the range of motion is passable at best. Not to mention it fails to do anything remotely interesting with the POV except for that one homage shot to Utena.
Fucking whatever that show is called. Looks like tumblrite crap.
>>110540837
Shounen is for children too but no one cares
as long as you're not autistic about it it's okay to like it
>>110540117
So a /co/ faggot that doesn't know animation from an asshole wants someone who makes intelligent posts to leave, because their feelings are hurt and instead of make a counter they act like a woman because they've got nothing, they're wrong and they should leave.
Typical.
Go back to where you came from, faggot.
>>110540910
>cool fx
>cool poses
>cool shading
Nothing wrong with that, not to mention it was in a self-contained prologue to the episode. Ishihama used Arasan's talents well.
>>110540872
>Arthur
Holy shit this is still getting new episodes? My god
Also Totally Spies season 6 ended last year its up to 150+ episodes now. Season 7 is likely to happen sometime.
>>110540860
>People actually think this is good animation
It's decent. Not good. Not great.
>>110540059
>Famicom pls go back to /co/
But Famicom is not here.
>>110540971
>Holy shit this is still getting new episodes? My god
Yes
But its made in flash now
>>110540860
>>110540971
whoops misclick meant to link >>110540873
>>110540906
Yes. Chuck Jones, too.
Thank you for a legitimate response, and not boring, high framerate, feature Disney crap. Now it's a discussion.
I still don't believe they're on Yuasa's level. The Kaneda school of animation took what Tex pioneered, and passed it down to their students. Japan has carried that torch, while the West completely dropped it and let it die out.
>>110540942
/co/ barely gets anything, they are easily impresed by any kind of fluid movements sinca that's all they can look foward to
Last I heard they like Uncle Grandpa
>>110540974
It's actually pretty awful. The timing is all off and has no impact whatsoever.
Of course, like most western handdrawn shows, I doubt it was done by any western animators at all. It was probably storyboarded poorly by them, and then the koreans did it to the letter.
>>110540993
Famicom pls
>>110540953
You're kinda late, champ
Did it take you all of half-hour to come up with that? I want you and all /co/faggots to leave right now, this thread is a big pile of nonsense
>>110540954
>"cool" and not "fucking retarded-looking"
o-okay man
>>110541019
>they like Uncle Grandpa
>>110541019
>Last I heard they like Uncle Grandpa
hhahaha
no
>>110540082
Richard "forced animation" Williams
>there were a number of these situations...in the script, there might be two or three sentences describing the Thief going up a drain pipe. But what he animated on the screen was five minutes up and down that pipe which would ordinarily be five pages of script.
He's pretty cool
This thread has gone in many strange directions.
Despite it's many issues, I think the japanese industry and animation is doing pretty damn good and will only get better.
>>110540860
/co/ pls
>>110541019
>Last I heard they like Uncle Grandpa
Horrifying.
Complain all you want about the "moeshit" and "haremshit" shows, but at least there's enough shows being pumped out now days that you can't look far to see something interesting.
>>110540942
I never said it was a great show. I said it was a fun show. If you don't like it, then that's fine, but don't start pointing fingers and say that I browse /co/. I left that board years ago.
>And uni kids only like it for the hip appeal
Eh, not really. They like it because its fun.
I think we can all agree
The animation industry is better now than it was 20 years ago
>>110540860
This is fucking horrible. I fucking hate you /a/. I'm gonna watch some korean flash inbetweens.
>>110540954
>cool fx
not really, they're just fucking stupid. what are they even trying to do with these white things? what is it supposed to actually be?
>>110541024
I don't know why /a/ still falls for this kind of thread on one side. It's 100% guaranteed that people like OP would be told hard. Maybe someone like >>110540376 should compile and make copypasta or something.
>>110541123
Yes, absolutely.
>>110541101
>>110540864
http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/28.html
>>110541019
Gee this sounds neat lemme just go check it out -
>generic character designs
>Uninspired animation
>lolsorandumb humor Lepuffinofdemise *raises spork* shit
It's over. Western animation is done for. Wait a sec, what's this?
>Emmy Nominated
>EMMY NOMINATED
>EMMY
Madotsukivomit.jpg
>>110541021
>/r/ing that one image of the great storyboards butchered by poor animation
You know the one.
>anime
Just watch live action. Even Hollywood mainstream films are more creative and emotionally engaging than your harems or SoLs.
>>110541123
Yeah nah. It's worse, and I love me some moeshit.
>>110541073
>>110541123
>doing pretty damn good and will only get better
As long as they keep the CG to inorganic materials, I'll drink to that.
>>110538033
>Look at the buttons on their shirts. It's also not culturally accurate. It's an early cut by him, but it's really not very good.
Look at that jelly nitpicking.
Just face it you failures, Bahi is living the life you wish you lived. Because he is actually working on improving himself.
You niggers sit your asses in an imageboard complaining about superior humans like bahi while you do shitnothing.
I doubt any of you could even draw a single button on a shirt.
>>110540705
>You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west
did you even read the last part of >>110540538 or are you pretending to be retarded
>>110535392
Michael Jackson Monkey King Dandy was awesome.
>>110541106
There is 4 season a year worth of anime with a lot of shows, there's always enough stuff to keep you watching if you are not a picky overanalizyng faggot, so yeah we have it easy
/co/ gets like 4 things a year and that's being optimitic, I try to cut them some slack but most of the time is just "baww anime is just moeshit and I don't even know what that means"
>>110541206
sup Bahi
The guy you're replying to is a faggot nitpicker but you're a faggot too
>>110541206
Why the fuck would anyone want to be Bahi? Why wouldn't you prefer to just kill yourself?
>>110535123
>it works every time
>>110541101
>under 1MB gif
Please, go the way of webm
http://sakuga.yshi.org
They also have a small western tag (although it's mixed in with some korean korra/avatar and some other outsourced stuff).
>>110541188
Oh man. You're a funny one, I'll give you that.
>>110541012
Fucking kill yourself.
I'm done.
Fuck this thread I'm going to sleep.
>>110540860
>>110541101
Bring it, son.
>>110541188
>more creative and emotionally engaging
Sounds like a good commercial jingle for my company's next electronic product. Where do I subscribe?
>>110541318
It's true. Enjoy consuming inferior media. This season is laughable.
>>110541188
>Even Hollywood mainstream films are more creative and emotionally engaging
9/10
>>110541123
>The animation industry is better now than it was 20 years ago.
Tiny Toons, Batman:TAS, Darkwing Duck, Animaniacs & Freakazoid will like to have a word with you.
>>110541012
>Kaneda school of animation
>>110541188
>Even Hollywood mainstream films are more creative and emotionally engaging than your urobotcher copycats
fixed that for you
>>110541188
Made me reply
>>110541305
The fuck is this.
>>110541305
Oh boy. Mods better get rid of this thread before someone gets too angry and decides to hack Moot again.
>>110541188
>this thread
>>110541296
Good. Sleep is necessary to charge your braincells, which you'll need when having a discussion with intellectuals like me. I hope you find a reason to come to /a/ after you return to your home board, /co/.
>>110541371
I think he meant the japanese animation industry.
>>110541188
>posting about how much anime sucks on /a/
wow that's really clever and original i bet no one did this before
>>110541393
RWBY
A webseries made by Rooster Teeth
It's good because it has a consistent general on /co/ every day!
>>110541352
You are right, this season is full of good comedies.
Bahi browses 4chin? I thought he's a nip.
>>110541393
Bahi of MURRICA
>>110541158
Thanks, slowly replacing my gifs here
>>110541288
saved too
>>110541438
He's a sandnigger from Austria.
>>110541352
Sorry, I don't limit myself on seasonal terms. Speaking at films, I am perpetually trapped within 50s-70s films.
>>110541450
This is just an MMD animation.
People like this?
/co/ likes this?
Why?
>>110541187
>Photorealistic Tiger that farts rainbows
WHAT
>>110541438
Nips browse four chan too.Like me
>>110541450
>that weightless animation
>>110541450
what the fuck am I watching and why is it so shit
>>110541158
>>110541101
where is this from, I can't find it clues?
>>110541460
You mean Osteristan.
>>110541515
Hyouka.
>>110541450
Guy should just make a video game or something
>>110541450
Just google any MMD and you get outstaged
>>110541305
>>110541450
RWBY is shit. Fucking kill yourself back to /co/
>>110541500
ni hao
>>110541489
waifus
>>110541542one's being made
>>110541500
I bet you're an expat, you race traitor.
>>110541428
Nope, you can watch anime ironically, but it's junk.
>>110541399
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
How to Train Your Dragon
Edge of Tomorrow
Are all much better than anything this season. Just deal with it.
>>110541489
I fucking swear they ripped the model bases from some Japanese source. I swear to fucking god they did. Dirty gaijin.
>>110541526
Munto.
>>110541500
Teach me moon please.
>>110541450
>we want to be anime so bad but our budget won't let us
>/co/
>>110541563
Don't do that man, it's bad enough that Murrica suddenly wants to make us its disposable frontier guard in the Pacific.
>>110541577
>>110541583
>Japanese LN adaptation
>Hollywood
>This fucking thread
>>110541577
this is fucking disgusting
is this an actual show?
>>110541526
Boku n--I'm in a good mood today, it's Soul Eater
If you are going to tach it keep in mind that around episode 25-30 it deviates from the manga and goes full retard like the first FMA anime because Bones writers
>>110541579
I was born in Cali, so if that counts...
>>110541592
Go learn hiragana first on your own.
>>110541621
It was a good movie too.
>>110541593
>Implying Japanese have higher budgets than real western studios.
top kek
>>110541621
And it's still better than anime LN adaptations.
>>110541631
>Spoonfeeding
You shame precure.
>>110541638
How long will that take?
>>110541657
>Implying Japanese have higher budgets than real western studios.
No, but they sure do make better use of what they have.
>>110541471
>we want to be anime so bad but our talent won't let us
fixt
>>110541583
>How to Train Your Dragon
Last I saw it I thought it's some PC game because there were visible polygons.
>you'll never BajiHD
>>110541583
>Hollywood
>million-dollar budgets
>anime
>few thousand dollar-ish
I wonder why one's better
>>110539831
>why doesnt japan just do the inbetweening
higher expenses for the company
>YFW it will take Japan 10 - 20 years to reach the level of this movie
>>110541237
We are very spoiled. Looking at the west makes me realize how good we have it, how incredibly lucky we are to have so much damn animation.
>>110541423
Tiny Toons & Animaniacs were done by TMS as is also the case with Batman:TAS but Batman:TAS had 3 other Japanese studios as well but were subcontractors rather then co-producers like TMS (the other studios were Spectrum who was just Disney Japan without the Disney name, Studio Junio and Sunrise), Darkwing Duck was done by Disney's ex-Japanese unit (now know as The Answer Studio) when Freakazoid had Animal Ya (also Junio & Tama Pro, but the later had most of it's work done in Korea).
The 90s were wonderful.
>>110541682
47 minutes.
>>110541583
Not really, those are all shit.
>>110541726
>>110541305
>>110541450
>>110541577
>Roosterteeth hanging some bait for weabs
That's embarrassing.
>>110541701
What?
>>110541726
Oh god that fucking CalArts ">" face.
I fucking hate it.
>>110541718
Because they have less money?
>>110541682
A few weeks if you're diligent.
>>110541741
Please no bully
>>110541489
They hate it. But they talk about it.
>>110541500
Buy my favourite anime goddamnit
>>110541626
You know whats worse?There's a RWBY tag on pixiv
I know its a Japanese deviantart but still.
>>110538768
>>110538500
>wrongville
>/co/ faggotry on /a/
Who the fuck talks like this? Tumblretards? Someone please b& this kid.
>>110541726
Who cares. Is she waifu tier? Not sure if want.
>>110541748
This is the best bait image I've ever seen.
BRAVO /a/
R
A
V
O
>>110541765
Will the west ever have their own Evangelion?
>>110541811
They're all doing the face.
This bothers me.
>>110541774
>your favourite anime
I hope it'sKill la Kill, because I'm not buying anything from this season.
>>110541816
something Pacific something
>>110541737
Wait, so what did americans actually animate?
>>110541772
And after that is the hardest part right
>>110541604
arigato gozaymas :-)
>>110541772
You can learn hiragana and katakana in a week.
>>110541816
8-11-1991
Before Eva was ever made.
>>110541859
Excluding the girl on the right I actually like the character design
>>110537105
Love this moeshit propaganda.
>>110541816
Why bother? We already have Bresson and Bergman.
>>110541941
girl on the right is meant to look like a badass female master chief fps character
>>110541880
Even native kids have trouble with some kanji as they're learning them, and their handwriting is getting worse in Japan because everyone's used to typing/tapping on smartphones and computers.
>>110541921
I was just guessing, I have no idea how long it takes for people to really get hiragana down and memorized with all its readings.
>>110541884
>>110541884
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
>>110541971
2hourglass4me
she looks like an amateur lesbian bodybuilder with silicon tits
>>110541859
It was perfect until the cliche misunderstandings part. Everytime you think a movie is going to be completley original and relatively cliche free, they always throw a big one in there to make it just like evety other movie.
>>110541858
Pacific Rim is being animated by japanese
>>110541933
All that did was spawn more talking animal grossout humour.
Well, I guess it's pretty accurate, then.
>>110541515
You don't know the full extent of it's shittiness anon. If webbums had sound you'd cringe so hard your spine would fly out your back and run away.
>>110541941
She's dreamy
>>110541718
But independent films are much better than Hollywood summer blockbusters.
Anime just suck. Otaku don't have any interesting ideas. Shit, even their independent market is full of porn, shitty comedies and parodies.
The only studios I see trying to do unique things in anime and not rehash contasnlty are Bones, MAPPA, IG and Brain Base.
Everyone else has that same familiar art style and some ole projects each season. They don't go out of their comfort zones like the studio mentioned above
>>110542018
This. The voice acting was absolutely horrendous.
>>110541868
Tiny Toons had 3 episodes done in Chicago by a studio called Startoons who went under in 2001, Animaniacs also had a good amount of episodes done by them as well.
>>110541858
Epic
>>110542016
Obviously he meant the movie not the anime they want to make.
>>110541933
John Kricfalusi, you're not baiting anyone tonight.
>>110542027
>Anime just suck
>otaku don't have any interesting ideas
Are you implying that the Otaku you speak of are making the shows? Do you even know what otaku are?
>>110541990
It's Saint SeiyaSame guys worked on it though
>>110542043I hear this a lot. Was it supposed to sound TV/Hollywood level?
>>110542073
I'm almost certain he posts in /d2g/.
>>110542073
He's baiting nerds, DUH.
>>110541985
>>110541921
You could definitely do it in a week if you tried
I studied for maybe two to three hours total this past week and have got most of the Hiragana down.
But that's the tedious part to me, I'm actually eager to get to the kanji.
>>110542086
Is this shit supposed to be good?
Or is it a bad parody?
Am I.supposed to take it seriously and watch it seriously?
>>110542086
I dunno what it was supposed to sound like, but it sounds like they gave some hookers off the street $10 to voice it.
>>110542107
he what?
>>110542086
The cast consists of "Monty's friends"
Well, he doesn't actually have friends, it's really "people who work in the same building as him and couldn't find an excuse"
>>110542142
It's an extremely serious project the creator takes extremely seriously.
>>110542015
I thought it was lame. Very pixar plot with the same emotional cues and timings as all their movies have, so none of the venelope stuff affected me. I also really hated Felix, having him and the girl travel around just to make more dumb gags, and they spent so much damn time on him. And suddenly he likes him at the end even though they spent no time together.
The only part that actually impressed me was when he had that one on one conversation with King Candy. That actually felt like they were digging a little deeper. But then he was just generic villain.
>>110542086
That looks less terrible. Good, even.
But I cringe at the thought that RT made it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU4Xi9-ztVM
This is better than any anime in the last 10 years. How does it feel?
>>110542016
Well, if you want to go deeper in to the past.
Before the grossout humour started full time.
>>110542152
If you're going to post samples of real animation from fucking Kill la Kill, at least use a clip from Episode 5.
>>110541726
>Frozen is 4th most grossing movie in the entire history of japanese cinema
LOL
>>110542220
>source nowhere
>>110542142
>Am I.supposed to take it seriously and watch it seriously?
>>110542086
>3 million YT views for first episode
why is this babby's first 3D animation even popular
>>110542203
>hipster white male trash
How does shit taste like?
>>110542220
>LOL
Fuck off.
>>110542082
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTT SEIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAA
Am I doing it right?
>>110542238
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/05/28/disneys-frozen-joins-the-ranks-of-highest-grossing-films-of-all-time-in-japan/
>>110542243
>anime & manga
>>110541281
>Why the fuck would anyone want to be Bahi? Why wouldn't you prefer to just kill yourself?
Because Bahi is more talented and a better artist than you, not because he was born that way but because he is not a lazy bastard like you who'd rather spend his time being jelly online and insulting people who actually create stuff.
>>110542220
>LOL
Go away
>>110542252
>That terrible tweening
Damn. Fucking french weebs.
>>110542252
Wakfu's animation is very overrated. I get that it's the best "flash: can do, but it still has lots of issues.
>>110542249
Enjoy your haremshit for the lowest common denominator, dirty plebeian.
>>110542203
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f6_1271778057
Fixed.
>>110535832
Digital killed the hand-drawn star.
I'd rather have the peaks and valleys of old cel stuff than the wanton mediocrity of digital.
>>110542281
>Harry Potter 1 is third
What the fuck
>>110542287
But I buy their products.
>>110542243
The history of RWBY is long and complicated and sad. They're desperate to get it recognized as real anime, but the creator freely admits that he only ever watched the action scenes in DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach and skipped the plot scenes, and dropped HxH when it got "too weird"
>/co/ still uses gifs
>Implying I'm going to read all this shit
Posting a sexy animation.
>>110542320
>>110542264
>>110542299
should i say Kek instead
:-DDD
>>110542203
Those first 30 seconds made me incredibly anxious.
>>110542305
Wakfu animation is better than most anything Japan is churning out
>>110541460
>He's a sandnigger from Austria.
He's a sandnigger? I thought he was azn, are there photos of him?
>>110542353
why is google so unhelpful when looking for a source for these
Western cartoons will never have traps.
Not ugly Shezow shit either
>>110542328
So he's like any other typical /v/tard
>>110542353
All that pointless generic spinning
>>110540399
kek.
>>110535392
It's sad that people praise that inconsistent crap.
>>110542389
Its been mentioned in this thread.
Only hint I'm going to give.
>>110542353
Hime a cute. Probably one of the more underrated heroines in anime, dat ZR
I have to wonder though, was all that twirling necessary?
>>110542389
It's Yozakura Quartet Hana no Uta
>>110542389
I got it easily.
>>110542428
>spoonfeeding
Why.
>>110542062
>John K. on an anime board
I'm scared
>>110542362
Digital production tools over normalize animation when compared to traditional analog cel animation.
>>110542413
>>110542428
>was all that twirling necessary?
It looks cool, who cares?
>>110542363
>/co/
>shitposting
We were having such a good time until you showed up.
Take it back, retard.
>>110542389
Take a screenshot and search it.
>>110542428
Fucking spoonfeeders. As much as I want YZQ to get a bigger audience, spoonfeeding retards is dumb.
Fuck off.
>>110542328
>he only ever watched the action scenes
>and skipped the plot scenes
He sounds like a smart person.
>>110542389
>Not knowing Yozakura Quartet
>>110542203
this is pretentious masturbatory over-postmodern shit. I can imagine don hertzfeldt falling in love with his own writing as if he was GRRM in his last Song of Ice and Fire book. the delivery is retarded and annoying too.
how does it feel to be wrong?
>>110542362
He's saying that when hand painted cels are good, they're really fucking good, and when they are bad, they're really fucking bad
whereas digital stuff is much more consistent in quality, but that consistency is of a rather mediocre quality
>>110542413
Someone post that 60fps gif of the guy with the cards.
>>110542461
As in? Drawing on a table isn't going to stop one from utilising Kanada-style animation. Animators are still free to draw in whatever style they like, in fact they can even go crazy with using as many layers as they like unlike cel animation.
>Wakfu
>Motorcity
>Korra
>Avatar
>etc
Either animated in asia or influenced directly from them
What's a recent action cartoon with things like choreography and camera angles and 3D spaces, that wasn't heavily anime, or CG movies?
>>110542461
You're an idiot.
Digital composition honestly changed nothing in regards to posing, cinematography, or, well, motion.
If you're saying it normalized things by reducing the popularity of block shading, then maybe you have a point. Otherwise, digital composition and editing and coloring doesn't change a thing.
All-digital animation does, though.
>>110542452
Because it's three in the morning and this shit thread is finally autosaging and frankly, a spoonfeed would be the lesser evil compared to half the posts ITT.
>>110542463
YZQ will never get a bigger audience. Unless the name spreads.
>>110542510
>pretentious
It's not.
>>110542463
>Take a screenshot and search it.
Doesn't it do that automatically?
>Fucking spoonfeeders. As much as I want YZQ to get a bigger audience, spoonfeeding retards is dumb.
Fuck off.
Yup. While I was looking for another gif to show him in the hopes he'd get results for that one someone beat me to the punch.
>>110542517
Looked up that bahi fellow you guys are hating on, what the fuck is wrong with you?
His skills are superb, like seriously superb.
He is only 21 and already doing jobs for bones.
You niggas wish you was this good
>>110542517
>that gif
>60fps
>>>/v/
>Not knowing Roger "Based" Williams
Fucking idiot.
>>110542452
>>110542463
>being helpful is a bad thing
our culture right?
Damn just tell him to reverse image search on foolz.
>>110542557
>forced animation
>not Artificial Animation
Western animation fans pretty much only care about writing these days. I've seen people say this show has good animation.
>>110542565
Fuck yeah.
>>110542565
GOD
DAMMIT
>>110542543
Never spoonfeed anon.
If they can't find it, then they may have been oxygen deprived as a baby.
>>110542580
Fuck off.
>>110542580
>Spoonfeeding
>Helpful
Why are you even posting? You're clearly new as fuck.
>>110542546
>Wanting to be spoonfed
>>>/r/
Goddamn it don't kids today know how to lurk anymore?
And they say summer's a myth.
>>110542561
Nah, I'd rather work for real artists. Anime industry is too limited.
>>110542565
Oh Christ not again
>>110542510
It's pretty good though. I'm sure he's just exaggerating.
>>110542618
All this helpful contributions to the topic, anon.
Thanks for the great posts.
>>110542353
>>110542450
YZQ was quality animation done right. None of the horribly disjointed cuts because the animators are being retards but still plenty of high quality, dynamic scenes. They had to simplify the character designs a little to pull it off but the end result looked great.
>>110542580
Can we not start this shit again.
>>110542557
>mfw the poor bastard(s) who made that got little-to-no recogniton
>>110542529
>recent
>action
>cartoon
Ahahahahaha
I like Regular Show from recent stuff, am I a bad person /a/?I also heard that Powerpuff Girls was coming back?
>>110542627
Just never been a fan of the
>guys look we're assholes because its how we do it
If it takes you 5 seconds, and he clearly tried, why the fuck not
you responded to him anyway, adding to the clutter
>>110542565
this proves the superiority of webm
>>110542203
It feels like you are trying way too hard?
I bet your beard is only like two inches long.
>>110542627
The reason it said "fuck off" is because of greentext being retarded, I was agreeing with him.
>>110542628
>Nah, I'd rather work for real artists. Anime industry is too limited.
>that jelly
>that sour grapes
Sure
>>110542698
Sadly, yes
>>110537061
I agree with what you said about Free!, except the last sentence, but all the rest of what you said is trash.
>Tamako Market was poorly done in all regards
It was charming, and it's all it tried to be. The prince stuff wasn't even a plot, it was a device to introduce characters and to give closure without romance. It's not a masterpiece nor groundbreaking but it's completely fine.
>Chuunibyou had terrible writing
I bet you think Rikka slipped off the roof on accident.
>KnK didn't succeed what it wanted to be
It's more than clear that they didn't want the show to be super serious all the time, and it wasn't. It didn't live up to what they advertised with the PV, but the CMs had the SoL moments, so they obviously didn't want to make it a typical edgy action show. Also I bet you think it was more about the end of the world than it was about bonds.
>Hyouka was just okay
This is an insult. Hyouka is perfect..
>>110542699
>, and he clearly tried,
No he didn't. We already talked about the source earlier in the thread.
>>110542644
Do you think a western studio could've done it?
>>110542605
The animation is mediocre, but that's not the focus anyway.
It's funnier than any anime comedy I've ever seen though.
>>110542699
No.
its not being an asshole, I just don't like lazy fucks.
>>110542644
I like the way the characters looked, too, though.
>>110542698
I couldn't stand regular show's writing. heard it got better recently though.
The powerpuff girls was basically a false alarm.
>>110542618
>>110542627
You know, I bet this overreaction is exactly what they were hoping for. They probably even knew it was YZQ. Just report them silently
>>110542644
Mah nigga
The faces were a bit eh, but the end result was truly wonderful.
>>110542750
>The animation is mediocre, but that's not the focus anyway.
Good Goy
Continue to be an Adult Swim drone
>>110542565
Once a week for 7 years at least.
>>110542739
>Sadly
What me being a bad person? or about ppg?
If it's the later why? Are they using CGI bullshit like the did with the new Xaolin Showdown?
>>110542763
All the girls in that series were great.
>>110542699
>He clearly tried
No, he just gets spoonfed often and automatically says that he googled it. Any sort of intellect would allow you to figure out the source. Plus I googled it and got it instantly.,
>>110542698
I watched 4 fucking seasons of RS. I liked it in the beginning but it just got worse and worse. The same plot over and over, characters get flanderized, and even worse animation than even the most budget of anime shorts. I mean, how can both products have jack squat budget but the other still has some more interesting stuff, even with just stills?
I hear some stuff happened recently with the relationships but come on now.
Give me all the info about this bahi dude.
The photo of him is fake, he isn't some black dude with a fro, right?
What's his story and why do I only find interviews where he talks with anime smilies, any of you got more infos on him?
You seem to hate him, despite his good work, why is that so?
captcha:
>much jelly
>>110542733
French animated films > TV anime
>>110542823
>those boots
>dat ZR
>dat scarf
My fucking heart
>>110542800
I meant the PPG reboot.
>>110542774
Nah, it's real
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/the-powerpuff-girls-to-return-with-new-series-in-2016-1201221202/
>>110542784
>Continue to be an Adult Swim drone
T-this is literally the only Adult Swim show I like...
>>110542644
It looked great not in spite of, but because of the simplified designs.
>>110542671
Yes he did. Williams is a legend.
Hell, you've probably seen a bastardized version of The Thief and the Cobbler as a kid.It's called Aladdin.
>>110542699
No, if you can't even understand the principles behind why we don't spoonfeed, you're the new one.
Besides, we constantly talked about YZQ earlier. USE YOUR BRAIN. Why would you want a cancerous retard on the board, anyways, one who can't even use fucking google?
>>110542665
Better than letting cancer fester.
>>110542642
I've tried my best contributing earlier, and I believe I still am, but you need to call out newshits when you see them or else they'll feel too welcome.
>>110542848
Margret left for college.
CJ is back and is in a relationship with Mordecai
Also, they're killing off Benson this season
>>110542854
She's such a sweetheart. Actually a great character. Not just your average "genki" girl.
>>110542823
http://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=yozakura_quartet
>>110542903
I've never thought of Hime as a genki, she's more of a cool character that has lots of cute moments
>>110542521
>>110542536
Look everything you say is technically true but in the reality around us digital isn't used to innovate, it's used to cut costs. W vehicle is 3dcg, X background is traced over a wire frame, Y's skin is a gradient with a filter slapped on it, Z's inbetweens for frame 12-120 are automated, etc.
When cel animation was ugly it was hideous, with the requisite time and money it was highly detailed and beautiful. Even in theatrical productions we no longer see the detail of old. It's gone. I'm not asking for a redux of the 80's or 90's. I'm not hear to fetishize grain or a particular mode of shading. I'm not asking for some reactionary movement.
What I do want to see is digital used as a way to push art in ways that simply couldn't be done with a camera and some transparent sheets rather than something used to cut dollars off the bottom line.
>>110542895
>Implying Aladdin was bad
Please
>>110542903
I like Ao and Kotoha better, but they're all pretty much equal in terms of likeability.
>>110542853
>French animated films > TV anime
Then go to /co/.
It's really hillarious how you guys suddenly only like western animation because a gaijin works in anime and is respected by all the talented anime artists.
>>110542895
>The Thief and the Cobbler - 1993
>Aladdin - 1992
>>110542992
No one needs to go to /co/ faggot.
You can like one thing more and still watch the other.
>>110543002
Rusewatching is my favorite 4chan hobby
>>110542750
I'm just talking about the animation. It's really awful. Even just the art itself. And they're just standing in a fucking line. I generally liked most of what I saw (about half the season) but it was kind of painful. I think western fans should ask for more quality these days.
>>110542740
Here's a nice Hyouka video someone made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgwAmEHbZA
>>110542567
Are you okay? It is a gif and it runs at 60 frames per second. I'm pretty sure the information I provided is sufficient seeing as somebody got it right away. You should go back to /v/ because you have the language of an average poster there.
>>110542895
>It looked great not in spite of, but because of the simplified designs.
That's what I was trying to convey but in hindsight it was worded poorly. They made visual changes when adapting from the manga to the benefit of the anime, presumably because they're very conscious of how to work within the medium. It's a very good thing.
>>110543078
I guess I didn't really pay attention to that, but you're right. Hey, at least it's an improvement from where they started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbTlK3perdI
>>110542899
Sure they are, like Brian died too, right
>>110542960
Digital compositing is used creatively often. You probably don't even realize it. Lots of anime produced could simply not be done with cel and no computers, because cel is very limiting.
>>110536301
You do know they're recruiting right now, right? For, like, most ranks.
I don't care about good animation. Content is more important. TV usually fails at this. No matter if it's Western or Eastern.
I have two huge issues with anime:
1) It's very juvenile and shallow. You can't deny it. The majority of shows cater to very unsophisticated audience and teenagers.
2) Most shows are based on the ongoing series. It's foolish to even expect a conclusion.
>>110543078
>192 views
>24 minutes
is the person who made this you?
>>110542961
Not bad, just a twisted version of T&C
>>110542960
>Look everything you say is technically true but in the reality around us digital isn't used to innovate, it's used to cut costs.
This is definitely true. But don't forget cels were mostly used as a time/cost saver too, you know, despite their potential.
>W vehicle is 3dcg,
That's terribly jarring, I agree
>X background is traced over a wire frame,
That's been done since the 80s and 90s, you know.
>Y's skin is a gradient with a filter slapped on it,
Not altogether a bad thing, and I've rarely seen that sort of color depth anyways on a skin texture
>Z's inbetweens for frame 12-120 are automated, etc.
That's VERY, VERY rare for most anime. VERY.
>When cel animation was ugly it was hideous, with the requisite time and money it was highly detailed and beautiful. Even in theatrical productions we no longer see the detail of old. It's gone. I'm not asking for a redux of the 80's or 90's. I'm not hear to fetishize grain or a particular mode of shading. I'm not asking for some reactionary movement.
What I do want to see is digital used as a way to push art in ways that simply couldn't be done with a camera and some transparent sheets rather than something used to cut dollars off the bottom line.
True to some extent, but don't forget there was just as much lazy anime then as today. Cel to digital wasn't a bad thing, just a change, and we shouldn't be lamenting because digital is somehow worse, but because we've lost an equally beautiful style to time and advancement.
>>110543002
I hope you're baiting.
>>110543102
This is why I don't like using "fps" for anime. Because fps and the number of individual images are different. Fps is technical, animation is more artistic.
Put it simply, even if it runs at 60 fps, there are only 24 unique frames in there. Otherwise it's the result of motion blurring or interpolation, 24 frames, or 1s, has always been the standard for animation.
>>110543155
True.
All the people who say "cel animation looks superior to current animation techniques" have only seen the cream of the crop for cel animations.
Most TV shows produced during the seventies, and eighties looked like crap.
>>110543186
This post is like the /a/ equivalent of this.
>>110543186
You're posting on 4chan. Get off that pedestal.
>>110543186
Blah blah blah content is more important.
As shallow as this introduction to sakuga is at least it provides a good resource for dealing with idiots like you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwY9rDugBRw&list=UUBekBtf2uH98zJbezjr-vnw
>>110543201
Pfft.
>>110543201
No, he posted it yesterday I think.
>>110543186
>I don't care about good animation.
This thread is about art and animation.
>>110542903
>She's such a sweetheart.
>under 1 MB gif
Is it just me or does this smell tumblr?
If you're so smart about animation
why don't you make one???
Digital animation will never be this good.
>>110543203
>What I do want to see is digital used as a way to push art in ways that simply couldn't be done with a camera and some transparent sheets
>>110543186
>I don't care about good animation
then you either haven't watched the best or the worst animations in anime.
>It's very juvenile and shallow
how about you look for stuff that fits your preferences and isn't "juvenile and shallow" instead of whining about how much everything sucks?
>Most shows are based on ongoing series.
nope.
elitism and talking out of your ass don't go together, why am I even replying to this shit.
>>110543268
Even the best animation can't elevate a shitty story and characters. And most anime have rather bland cinematography.
>>110543186
If content is more important then read a book. Anime is a visual medium. Depending on what is being presented, the visual element can be even more important that the content.
>>110543330
>And most anime have rather bland cinematography.
This is true. Cherry picking is great in threads like this though.
>>110543235
Reminder.
>>110543283
That's not a tumblr gif, you can google it. It doesn't have dropped frames or a filter, either.
>>110543268
I really like that video series, I'd recommend it to anyone who doesn't know much already.
>>110543312
>nope.
Yes. I watched Ping Pong.
>how about you look for stuff that fits your preferences and isn't "juvenile and shallow"
There aren't many anime like that.
>>110543299nah
>>110543299
Cherrypicking
>>110543295
I have. It's no biggie, but I have. It's short and the movement isn't that of a real baseball player, but I was paying more attention to the movements feeling natural more than professional. It could also use some inbetweens, but heck.
>>110543345
>Anime is a visual medium.
So is film. Animation is important, but it won't save a bad series.
>>110543410
Post any digital that looks this good.
>>110543384
My bad then.
>>110543299
What do you mean, "digital animation", everything's still all hand drawn either way. The only difference between them would be the colouring. And look, even for a high budget OVA, even that uses a panning still (not that I think that makes it worse).
>>110543418
And I knew it has a few inconsistencies. Keep in mind this is the first animation I tried doing.
>>110543203
>24 frames, or 1s, has always been the standard for animation.
Does this still apply to Western animation?
Often times they look really smooth with no noticeable motion blurring. >>110542557 included. I'm having a hard time believing there are only 24 unique frames in something like that.
>>110543141
I might be an idiot, but I thought it was funny. Might even pick up the show now.
How long's it been on?
>>110543396
>3DCG
Fuck off.
>>110543369
Fuck off famicom, I swear to fucking god.
>>110543388
Too bad, go google some if you want to.
>>110543436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwMjauXbDrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eNRZkgDV9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Eigpn-fSE
>>110543418
Is that yours? It's not terrible. You could stand to learn more about biomechanics, because that's a really terrible way of throwing a ball. Even if it's supposed to be a casual side-arm toss (which it looks like), the back leg should lift off a little. Your character is dealing with some rotational momentum that he just absorbs for no reason. Why?
Anyway, keep up the good work. You have a lot of talent.
>>110543330
What if I don't give a shit about story and characters? This is how I enjoyed Disney.
>>110543500
>Tanaka
Bizzare, unnatural movement.
>Kameda
Kanada was great. His copycats can go fuck themselves.
>Inoue
Okay but too boring.
I fell asleep watching his video.
>>110543330
>Even the best animation can't elevate a shitty story and characters.
>Implying
It depends. It's all subjective. It can make a bad story more digestable, though. In the end, it's a balance of the two. Bad animation won't be saved by a good story, and vice versa.
>And most anime have rather bland cinematography.
Most cinema does too. And most TV shows.
But relatively speaking anime is fairly good with that, for animation. It uses more interesting angles than the constant profile long shot American cartoons are in love with.
>>110543367
Of course people are looking for exceptional cases. Just like how Citizen Kane may be good, but it doesn't make any Paulie Shore movie good.
>>110543369
Fanicom pls
>>110543384
It's a good introduction, but they do mess up a few facts, and some of it is pure conjecture.
>>110543345
Even for a book. People forget that diction and narrative style are part of the presentation, not the content. Romeo and Juliet is a piss-poor, generic, rehashed story under the beautiful style.
>>110543455
Yes
60fps is something new. It's almost never the standard for animation. I actually haven't seen a single 60fps hand-animated work.
You'd be surprised what you can get out of 24fps. It's pretty damn smooth already.
60fps is something only pedantic /v/ermin care about.
Wow this thread is full of retards.
>>110543477
I'm not Famicom, I just got that picture from Archive Foolz is all.
>>110543500
Why are the colors in these videos are so ugly?
What happened to the vibrant color palette of the 90s?
>>110543556
>Tanaka
>Bizzare movements
Bizzare CAMERA movements.
Kameda has a cool inkbrush style, I wouldn't say he has many copycats.
>Inoue
>Boring
Shitto Tasuto desu
>>110543424
If you already consider a series bad then nothing will really save it. While typically not in series, many works can be and are carried primarily by their visual elements and animation. Lots of shorts would fall into that category.
But the main point was that consuming a medium for one, potentially minor, aspect of it is a little redundant. You'd be better off spending your time on something where that aspect is a major focus. I don't read novels hoping they have good visuals.
>>110543508
But Disney is good. Disney films can be simple yet beautiful. They try to tell a story and elicit emotions.
Of course we shouldn't compare TV anime with feature films, but still, it's rather sad that out of 40 shows per season there is nothing particularly interesting.
>>110543330
Compared to western cartoons, they don't.
>>110543330
>And most anime have rather bland cinematography
Agree.
Shinbo is probably the only good director in this aspect.
>>110543388
Oh, so you're just retarded and not ignorant.
western animation rarely gets any conclusion because they just drag it on and on, and on that aspect anime is obviously superior (even when it is an adaptation of ongoing manga).
good storytelling isn't always about conclusion, especially on genres like SoL or comedy, by the way. the Wandering Son anime didn't have any final conclusion and its story and characters were still really fucking great
>>110543585
90s weren't all bright and vibrant, son.
And that was more a limitation than anything else. Digital coloring makes it so that you can adjust hues more easily.
>What happened to the vibrant color palette of the 90s?
Oh shut the fuck up if you don't know what your talking about.
There are plenty of colorful shows being produced nowadays that make effective uses of color, and some of the animation sequnces from those videos come from the 90's.
>>110543268
>That Girl Who LTT running scene
That breathing was too much for me and pretty much ruined it. It's pretty good minus the audio though.
>>110543636
>Being new
You're a fucking retard. THAT PICTURE ISN'T EVEN FUCKING SHINBOU
>>110543656
That camera movement was glorious and very creative.
>>110543613
Fantasia being a perfect example.
>>110543641
See Batman:TAS (TMS) & Gargoyles (Disney Animation Japan).
>>110543556
>talking shit about based Inoue
Get some better taste in animation faggot
>>110543637
I don't care about Western TV shows.
>>110543636
Yuasa is pretty good at that too.
>>110543502
Thanks. I know the throw looks very weak and that the form is just wrong, but I was going for smoothness rather than accuracy. I know at the end it looks a little choppy (I was getting tired at that point and started kinda rushing it), and some other flaws like the the knee stepping too high up and the arm jumping back and forth at the end, those kind of flaws have already been pointed out to me. I'm ok with how it turned out, it really was my first try at animating (other than stupid doodles in flipnote years ago), and I think the leg looks pretty smooth. If I were to try again, I would probably like to make the throw a bit more like a professional's, but for now I'm fine with this.
About the rotational momentum, do you mean at the end? Well, the reason is simple: I was too lazy to make one or two frames more, not to mention I felt for my stash of paper. Even being 12 frames, using a whole sheet or letter paper for each frame is kinda wasteful.
Again, thanks.
>>110543682
>Ryo timo: Awakening
>>110543692
Again, fuck off, Famicom
Though I agree.
>>110543703
Yuasa is better at animation than he is at composition
And that Bakefag is a retard.
>>110543564
>It's pretty damn smooth already.
For the records I don't care about 60fps in films and animated films, but if Youtube videos cannot manage to be smooth at 30fps, I don't see how 24fps can come any close to smooth.
>>110543636
Yeah, no.
>>110543613
>out of 40 shows per season there is nothing particularly interesting.
Do you mean nothing interesting or nothing 10/10 mature masterpiece?
>>110543690
>generic camera tracking shot
>"That camera movement was glorious and very creative"
DURRR
>>110543714
>the reason is simple: I was too lazy to make one or two frames more
You'd need more than one or two frames. It's post-throw movement, which would be slow. A recovery phase for the body after the torque applied to actually make the throw. Even if he's just lifting his heel off the ground and dragging the back toe forward. It's still a good deal of subtle movement that the body has to make to feel natural.
I can tell you were lazy, but your major flaw right now is that you're lazy. I don't know what to tell you. Don't be lazy. You could to be great.
>>110543775
What I would give for another season for SAC
>>110543636
Just because all Shaft anime have Shinbo's name on them, it doesn't mean he actually did anything. Just saying. Chief director =! director.
>>110543775
I mean nothing interesting. Spring was pretty good though. Mushishi and Ping Pong both were very enjoyable.
>>110543813
Watanabe is not the director of Space Dandy too but he gets all the credit.
Same shit.
>>110543613
Disney is good because of the animation. The emotion is elicit thanks to the animation. The stories played no part in it; they are predictable and recycled to death. But it doesn't matter because it's an animated work.
>>110543692
Those were dark, not vibrant.
>>110543758
Because fps isn't the sole determinant of video "smoothness". Just because something is recorded at 30fps doesn't mean there are 30 unique images - especially if you're upscaling. One image might be played 3 times, for example, and you convert a 10fps to 30 fps. This is similar to what happens with anime.
>>110543778
It wasn't a generic tracking shot. The camera actually accelerates and outruns her, causing her to slowly lag behind and move out of the frame. Then she accelerates and catches up with it in a burst of speed.
That's a very simple and expressive way to show her determination, isn't it?
>>110543853
>yfw bahi directs an anime
>>110543755
I disagree, the cinematography in Kaiba and in Tatami was outstanding (and really vital to the storytelling in the latter).
>>110543755
What makes you think I'm this Famicom person you speak of?!? I'm not him.
>>110543884
Well, Bahi is pretty much the director of his scene.
WE PAGE 9 NOW
>>110543775
>mature masterpieces
They aren't even on the level of Harry Potter. I like things that are enjoyable, not completely mindless drivel.
>>110543793
>I don't know what to tell you. Don't be lazy. You could to be great.
Thanks, I really appreciate this. I've actually been meaning to make something more complex (look at me, I've only made one 12-frame animation and I want to try compex shit). If I do try to make something, instead of just checking things out like with the ball one, I think I will put more effort into it.
>>110543842
>Mushishi and Ping Pong
Oh, you're THAT guy.
>>110543778
>DURRR
Go back to /b/ with this kind of shit.
>>110543915STANDING
>>110543283
Piss off, I got it from here.
>>110543879
You said.
>90s shows that were not bright and vibrant.
>>110543877
Animation, music, cinematography, voice acting. Animation isn't the only important thing in Disney films.
>>110543927
RIP thread
>>110543927
If you think that all airing anime are unenjoyable mindless drivel, what are you doing on /a/? What are you watching?
>>110543970
>Generic broadway singles
>>110543978
didn't mean to post this as a reply
New thread
>>110544005
>>110544005
>110544005
>>110544005
>>110544005
>110544005
>>110543853
It's pretty much what the position is used for, attaching someone's name to a project. Shaft are probably the worst offenders though.
>>110543927
I doubt you can even understand Harry Potter.
>>110543979
Kek le Kek
>>110543979
>What are you watching?
Currently? Nothing. I watch anime between films when I want to watch something short and simple.
>>110543931
A pitch is actually super complex. Don't get ahead of yourself. You've got the preparatory motions of the pitch down, but the recovery phase is lacking. Just remember the energy required to throw a ball forward has to go somewhere. The pitcher sends his body weight to his front leg, then his back leg lifts swings and kind of hangs for balance before dropping back to the dirt.
Like I said man. Look into biomechanics and keep up the good work. That's your first animation? You really can't teach talent. You're a natural.
>>110544078
So again, what are you doing on /a/? Just to come to shitposting general threads like these?
>>110544129
I watch anime and read manga. Isn't this enough to be on /a/?
>>110543884
Yes, it isn't determinant of the smoothness if you assume the images are not completely unique, but using the term fps in that sense is redundant. It doesn't make any sense to say "30fps" if there are only 10 unique frames in it, because it would be 10fps instead.
>>110544158
Why pick up a hobby you can't enjoy
>>110544158
>I watch anime
No, not enough. You smell like a casual.
And again, what do you even post? There's virtually nothing for you on /a/ if you don't watch the current seasons. How many have you even seen?
Part 2 here >>110544197
>>110544200
It isn't my main hobby and I enjoy some anime.
>>110544219
Someone already posted one you stupid shit. We don't need even one of these threads.
>>110544240
>It isn't my main hobby
It barely even sounds like a side one to you. if you don't care about anime then don't go to /a/.
>and I enjoy some anime.
Like, what, 10? 20?
>>110544261
But this thread is amusing. It's better than all those shitty fetish or best girl threads.
>>110544261
But this topic isn't bumping anymore, time to move on to a new thread.
>>110544085
>You really can't teach talent. You're a natural.
Stop it, you. I'm gonna blush.
Now, though, I think I understand what you mean with the energy thing. It is true that he just stops there at the end. Actually, I wanted to try animate a proper pitch so maybe I'll try that next. I know it might be getting ahead of myself, but I wanna see how well it goes.
Again, thanks. I take your criticism gladly.
>>110544306
Why? Just because any random thread ends doesn't mean you make a new one. This isn't fucking /co/.
>>110535392
>ping pong looks like shit
>/a/ laps it up like retards
>space dandy looks like shit
>WOW SASUGA BONES NO SALES LOL GB2>>>/co/
>>110544353
What a pathetic shitpost. Is greentext ALLCAPS the best you can do?
>>110544261
And then there's this.>>110544058
>>110544261
This thread is better than any thread on /a/ (except >>110544197 and >>110544005)
>>110544353
I just resumed Dandy after Ping Pong and it's noticeably better animated. The only thing Ping Pong has going for it is the artstyle.
>>110544439
It's full of old reposted shit and shit tier trolling. I guess you love lapping that kind of shit up all night long, don't you?
>>110544322
I wish you had a blog or email I could follow. If not, please stay close to /a/.
>>110544558
I don't, sorry. But /a/ is my main board and I'm here for hours a day, so yeah. If I make something more I might post it if I see an animation or OC thread, but I'm not going to make a thread just to post it.
I do, however have a trip. I don't use it when I don't have a reason to (I only use it when I want to keep in touch with someone, and by that I mean I want someone in specific to recognize me), but if you happen to see me and you want to reply and ask how it's going, I have no problem with that.
>>110544707
Cool. Use that trip if you post some new work. I use the archive as much as I do vanilla 4chan.
>>110544790
I can't imagine life without the archive at this point.
>>110544790
Alright, I'll make sure I remember. This thread is going to die any second now, though, and I'm not going to use the trip again until I have a reason to, so I guess this is goodbye. See you around, hopefully.
>>110544790
>>110544875
You two should fuck.
>>110544902
Wanna join?
>>110544931
No.
>>110545029
Not like it matters what we do here anyway, the thread isn't bumping and it's on page 10. It's probably just 3 of us here right now. I took off my trip because then I forget to take it off.
>>110537136
c-can you upload that?please
whats up bitch
>>110545320
Why are his arms and torso like a mile long?