>Trying the exact same troll thread as a week ago.
I'm killing myself because of this, and I don't mean by jumping off a building on fire, beating cho's high score, or even shooting myself. I'm going to cut off two inches of my body every day and send every single part to your place of residence along with a timed nuclear device. You will have 24 hours to resemble me, then once I am back in one piece you must rape each other until your anuses are bleeding.
It's definitely not a placebo, I knew what the sensation was long before I ever heard of ASMR, and the actual term that ASMR is supposed to stand for is the definition of internet pseudoscience. But if you've ever felt like you've fallen into a trance while someone's washing/playing with your hair or stroking your back, it's pretty much that, just induced through audio only. I'm convinced that it has to do with monkey grooming rituals thanks to reading a Michael Crichton book with a human/monkey hybrid in it.
>I knew what the sensation was long before I ever heard of ASMR
It's all in your mind and even the Wikipedia for this phantom sensation acknowledges it's not scientifically proven.
It's not proven because nobody in their right mind would set aside funding for research into "some guys on the internet feel tingly in their backs sometimes", but it's as real as any other physical sensation can be. And I know right now that it's not a placebo because I've been familiar with the effect for over thirteen years now, way before any fags on the internet started talking about it. But you've got your head stuck up your ass about it, so whatever.
>if you've ever felt like you've fallen into a trance while someone's washing/playing with your hair or stroking your back, it's pretty much that, just induced through audio only.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
If you use Nicodouga, I suggest looking for ????, she is godly.
The first is up there as my most listened ASMR file. Either that or Sachi's ear cleaning where she is roleplaying a newly-wed wife.
I never listened to aikakj8.
I knew it was a bad idea to read through the troll thread.
>consistently get placebo effect due to power of suggestion
>thinks it's a thing even though many people don't get affected by this
I bet you believe in psychic surgery or god too.
ASMR, psychic surgery, and voodoo are all the same. Unproven constructs that people choose to believe in rather than replicable concepts with scientific basis.
In other words, bullshit.
Is there a collection of relaxing Japanese asmr, the non-lewd ones?
I have 40gb of worth of lewd, but I regret it because everytime i hear a titfuck or a dicksuck all it does it trigger the asmr. I need something new
>Realistic sex toys
his is one of those things i never knew i would need, but once i try it i aks myself how could i live without it before.
For now on i will listen to these ASMR audios every night before sleeping.
Is like in that time when someone posted a waifu App for android/iPhones that had all those voice acting from your favorite character, even non-popular characters from shitty and terrible shows like Devil survivor 2
/a/ does it again
Except many people experience those tingles without even knowing there is a term behind it? Before I knew ASMR was a thing, I would look up Bob Ross videos and people doing HTML tutorials because the quiet voices/typing gave me weird tingles. I didn't tell anyone about it because even though it wasn't sexual I thought people would take it that way. Then I randomly saw people talking about the sensation and found out about the term ASMR. It's actually kind of nice to know I'm not alone and now I have something specific to search for when I want to feel good/be put to sleep.
>Except many people experience those tingles without even knowing there is a term behind it?
Many people experience "relief" through psychic surgery too, but a quite video from James Randi shows that it's the power of suggestion that made it all possible.
Not at all. The comparison is valid. Both psychic surgery and ASMR is bullshit induced by the placebo effect from people who desperately want to believe it works.
You're no better than a Christian believing in miracles.
>Not listening to ASMR while 45 hours into a meth binge.
You haven't lived until the sound of a Japanese girl cleaning your ears sends you into a paranoid panic and you hide under your desk so that the snipers in the black helicopters won't be able to get a clear shot on you.
I think it's possible to actually go through withdrawls. I've never experienced tingles consistently because after a while nothing triggers it. But if I take a break for a week and come back I feel them very intensely.
????????? ????? series
With some vocal comprehension, having played love plus and the attachment to the characters brought out the full experience in listening to these for me.
I don't think I ever had this ASMR thing, or maybe when I was much younger.
Maybe clinical depression diminishes one's ability to get it.
I sometimes feel a warm buzz and end up sneezing when I'm comfy-aroused though. Anyone else sneeze when they're comfy and aroused at the same time?
It doesn't run on my machine, so that's less than half as bad.
asmr is lonely people getting catharsis from watching videos of the kinds of comforting physical intimacy that humans need but porn usually doesn't depict
only it would be much too embarrassing for everyone involved to admit that's what it's about so they made up a bogus scientific sounding term for it and pretend it's about "brain tingles" or some shit
ASMR isn't only intimacy though. People get it from people shining shoes, fixing pocket watches, educational videos, etc. If I didn't have ASMR I'd think it was a bunch of bullshit too.
I got the "brain tingles" back when I was a prepubescent kid from getting a hair cut or being whispered to. Even I had friends and a caring mom back then, loneliness has nothing to do with it.
It's really not erotic at all, i'm not sure it would mix well with porn
Most of the stuff you see on youtube/nico are probably just trial versions of the full thing. The amount there is literally a fraction of what available for download/purchase (and their is no porn on youtube which makes up the majority of these)
No amount of pop filters will change the fact that it's a prerecorded message and you're deluding yourself into thinking there's something that's not really there.
I don't believe in god, but you're still fucking stupid either way.
Even when listening at night you shouldn't be able to hear mic noise unless the mic used was shit and/or the audio levels are bad.
You're not even using the term placebo effect correctly. When you can experience something before hearing knowledge of the effect, it's impossible for it to be placebo.
Fuck the degeneration of the world placebo.
Ah, but the premise that draws people to ASMR is that it does have an effect.
It's a safe bet that people only started getting these tingles after they heard other people say they're supposed to get tingles.
>You're deluding yourself if you can't hear the mic noise.
You're retarded. You can open the fucking files in an audio editor and FUCKING SEE that there's no noise.
It's probably your shitty sound card or headphones.
Or you have tinnitus.
I think it's normal to feel creeped out by ASMR if you don't understand and feel it.
I know that lots of people use it for sexual purposes but most people would not be able to get aroused JUST by some whispering, they need something more... you know.?
Depends on what you actually listen to.
I get a fuzzy feeling from stuff like this, and I don't really want to have sex with a carton box.
At least not yet.
Who cares whether it's placebo or not?
If you get a fuzzy feeling that makes you feel good, why shouldn't you continue with it?
It's not like anybody claims that ASMR has any kind of "magic effects" like those retards believing that some kind of hypnosis will cure you're cancer.
It sounds to me like neither placebo nor horoscopes have anything to do with ASMR.
Placebo means you think some "medicine" (might be real but ineffective on you for some reason, or might simply not be medicine) has had an effect when in fact it didn't, or in some cases it might have an actual positive effect due to psychological factors (when the illness is psychological or maybe neurological to begin with, I guess). It's about observer bias. It's something you do and think has an effect on you when it actually doesn't. ASMR on the other hand is something people claim to feel in first place; they don't claim, for example, that listening to these and those whisper clips give them health benefits or something, just that it leads to that specific feeling, which if they say so obviously is the case. (I'm leaving aside the claims ASMR helps against insomnia, anxiety, etc., though given that those are psychological things and ASMR is simply the name given to a certain positive sensation, it's perfectly plausible. Also note that the claim is not that listening to something leads to those health benefits, it's that getting ASMR leads to those health benefits. It's a separate question to whether ASMR itself exists.)
Horoscopes are just blind belief. You could call the *effect* of believing in horoscopes to be a placebo effect, too. Again, not the name given to something actually felt.
Only if you take that answer out of context. ASMR, like horoscopes, have no scientific basis and at most the supposed effects on people are purely psychological or from the power of suggestion.
In that perspective, they are both blind belief.
This is the most idiotic dicussion I've read in a long time, and couldn't care less who's right.
Go back to school, take a paper in Critical Thinking, and come back. I can't even comprehend your reaching disconnects within your arguments. It's like if someone made an analogy, you'd call it out because it didn't fit EVERY LITTLE THING.
Intelligent discourse is all I ask. Is that so much?
And where exactly is the problem with it being a placebo?
If you can feel it, good for you. If not, bad for you'reselfe.
ASMR actually triggers a direct reaction/feeling, whereas reading horoscopes is just blind hope that something good might happen.
All ASMR is are white people with way too much time on their hands.
Get some scientific backing for your fetish, then come back to me. Oh wait, you won't do that. Why? You'd be proven wrong.
In most socratic dialogue it's not about right or wrong. I'm literally imploring you to improve your argumental skills, because they're terrible. I'll concede you're right, if I need to placate your ego first. I'm just some random that stumbled in here and took issue. I dont even know what you're talking about.
>>Horoscopes are just blind belief.
>So is ASMR.
No you fuck. Use your brain.
>I was born on date X so this must mean I will have luck with Y.
Which might end up being *perceived* as true due to observer bias. It's an illusion of a certain cause and effect pair. The other is
>Wow, I get a certain feeling from this; it seems to be a very distinct sensation separate from any others I know so it must be a very specific function of the neural system.
So there is just a claim of how neurologically significant a given sensation is, but nothing about it leading to certain events. There is no causation, just a perception of significance. And since the people *feel* this sensation there's no question about it existing or not, the only question is whether it's a significantly separate sensation from other known sensations.
Perhaps a bit like the emotion of being in love, for which once the term "limerence" was coined as a psychological term. It hasn't been researched all that much from what I know, but interviews with many people have revealed specific common symptoms among people claiming to be in love, and this holds between cultures too, so it's not just people making out sexual lust to be something different based on their culture or otherwise will to romanticize and dramatize an emotion that's otherwise homogeneous with sexual lust. (That being said, it could just be a specific combination of sexual lust, protective feelings, dependent feelings, etc.)
>only white people
Um, that is just completely false you fucking retard.
Why are you even still here? What I'd like to know is why people like you troll and why other people don't. Why is your brain hard wired to be a dumb fucking cunt but other people don't have those urges. Let's get some scientific research on that.
Most ASMR fanatics only started getting effects when they heard that it's supposed to get effects, hence there's an illusion of a certain cause and effect pair.
You're projecting things that don't actually exist on both of these instances.
Humiliation on an anonymous imageboard? That's a bid odd. I do get off on insults though, so go ahead. (Seriously, I have an abuse fetish.)
Ill throw in another typo so I can fail to express myself again, just for you.
I pity you joyless fucks for never having experienced this awesome sensation. I used to get it at church when I was a little kid, sometimes the preachers voice put me in the state of mind for it and it allowed me to focus on the feeling and block out the boring as fuck 3 hour sermon.
>There is no scientific proof that ASMR exists.
There is also no scientific proof that your power of suggestion theory has any meaning. Post some shit saying it's bullshit please. We're all waiting.
I don't give a fuck about another person's religion because it makes no fucking difference to me. Nice job dodging the point, though.
captcha: theological publeoc
Well lookie here.
You do realize that burden of proof is in your hands for claiming that ASMR even exists, right? It's like saying to someone that they should disprove Big Foot's existence instead of calling out the people who say Big Foot exists.
Except that isn't quite accurate since he's claiming he's experienced it himself, as are several other people in this thread. You've walked into a camp of people saying they saw Bigfoot and hung out and drank a few beers with him and he was a pretty cool guy, now you've got to explain why that didn't happen.
But who actually gives a shit? I've felt it and you haven't, and I felt it long before I knew what it was. In fact, when I heard about ASMR I was like, " oh shit, so other people DO get this feeling."
Do you have to believe me? No, you don't, you can keep living in your strict bullshit no fun allowed world. I don't give a fuck. Having someone doubt my experiences don't make them less real to me.
>Except that isn't quite accurate since he's claiming he's experienced it himself,
>I experienced Big Foot itself! That means he exists! Please believe me!
No, it doesn't work that way, anon.
Well, I'm neither, so congrats on flubbing those assumptions.
Really though. Why does it bother you so much? You going to tell them waifus will never be real and they're just deluding themselves into happiness, too? This is a place where people come to distract themselves into being happy. Let them have that, for fuck's sake.
>Published by Steven Novella
>Steven Novella is a clinical neurologist and assistant professor at Yale University School of Medicine.
>But of course not everyone gets a definite tingling sensation in their head and spine as a result of this soft satisfaction. I always start my investigations of such phenomena by asking the most basic question – is it real? In this case, I don’t think there is a definitive answer, but I am inclined to believe that it is. There are a number of people who seem to have independently (that is always the key, but it is a recent enough phenomenon that this appears to be true) experienced and described the same syndrome with some fairly specific details. In this way it’s similar to migraine headaches – we know they exist as a syndrome primarily because many different people report the same constellation of symptoms and natural history.
Arguments work in stages, anon. SRS TAKE THAT CRITICAL THINKING CLASS, ITLL HELP ME BEAR YOUR POSTS AND STRAIGHTEN OUT THOSE MENTAL CAVERNS
Logic isn't a bad one to take either. Most people I recommend them to aren't quite this bad though.
> I can't stand when people shit on someone else's parade
What the fuck are you doing on 4Chan?
Damn, gotta admit, you managed to make me uncomfortable with that one. I think that's how most religions work, though, monotonous hypnotic tones and patterns in preaching are sort of passed down from generation to generation. I'm not sure if it's deliberate, at least any more, but I do think they set out to tap into a more primal nature to make you more likely to believe what they say.
>Burden of proof is on you
There is plenty of evidence out there. Simply because no official study has been done doesn't mean there is no evidence. In face due to the lack of research it would be idiotic to write off hundreds of thousands of people's personal accounts of experiencing physical sensations as simply a placebo effect or projection. If you were to claim it as so then the burden of proof is yours.
Hakobera > Seri > Suzushiro = Suzuna
>There is plenty of evidence out there
Anecdotal, unscientific evidence is not evidence. It's like saying there's plenty of evidence of big foot out there, when most of them are debunk under scrutiny or are anecdotal at best.
>Says the man with no proof even though burden of proof is on him.
No proof, for no argument, dude. I don't care about the subject at hand, It's a genuine suggestion, because you seem to like discussion, but could be better at it.
If you're the abuse guy, say something to me though!
There is a point where thousands of individuals independently reporting the same experience and describing the same syndrome with specific details becomes more than anecdotal and grounds for more serious research. Simply because this research hasn't been done is no reason to dismiss it with your claims of placebo effect (which are ironically anecdotal). I'm not trying to prove it exists, I'm just pointing out how silly it is to, given what is known about it so far, be so adamant about it's nonexistence.
>There is a point where thousands of individuals independently reporting the same experience and describing the same syndrome
You mean like with Big Foot or the Big Lie of the Nazis? Repeat something enough times and people will start believing it?
>It might well be a real thing, but it's inherently difficult to research. The inner experience is the point of a lot of psychological investigation, but when you've got something like this that you can't see or feel, and it doesn't happen for everyone, it falls into a blind spot. It's like synaesthesia – for years it was a myth, then in the 1990s people came up with a reliable way of measuring it.
>like synaesthesia – for years it was a myth, then in the 1990s people came up with a reliable way of measuring it.
Have you ever even heard of synaesthesia? I sure had not before seeing the Wikipedia article.
Some are, but the "black" people of Asia are more related to Europeans and Asians than Africans