Neon Genesis Evangelion

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>>109013004
The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth

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Are the rebuilds actually worth watching? I've always just avoided them out of fear that they'll make me like the series less.

>>109013156
Watch them for what they are, a separate entity. Put the original series out of your mind when you watch them and you may have a better time with them

>>109013156
>they'll make me like the series less.
I have never understood this line of thinking. Would you go around saying "Yeah I used to really like Straw Dogs but after the remake I started hating it."

>>109013156
You really have nothing to fear with the first two

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>>109013004
I absolutely love the tree of life symbolism that they included

>>109013156
Fuck yeah they're worth watching. 1.11 takes place after EoE. 3.33 is worth watching just for the music and all the HAPPENINGS.

Oh, and the fights.

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If I saw someone bullying Rei I would beat the fuck out of them

>>109013156
>Rebuild 1.11
Hey it's the first six episodes but HD! And substantially less time focusing on character interaction. Well the action is solid.
>Rebuild 2.22
Who the fuck is this Mari girl? Well she got the first five minutes of screentime, I'm sure it will...[2 hours later] never be explained. Looks like they're mostly sticking to the plot. Wait what the fuck we're already fighting the Angel that breaks into NERV?
>Rebuild 3.33
Well, the first two were really hyped about the world ending and full of action. They left the audience with too many questions, but I'm sure now that Kaworu is here, they'll answer [2 hours later] none of them. Why is this movie so slow? Why is everyone playing "catch the idiot ball"? What the fuck were the writers thinking?

If 2.22's Rebuild is Phantom Menace, 3.33 is Attack of the Clones. It's like Anno decided to Lucas the franchise.

A pretty interesting depiction of Lucifer that was in the series OP

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>>109013441
shit forgot the pic

>>109013417
>2.22 is TPM
>3.33 is AotC

Oh boy I can't wait for Final where you find out Gendo was actually Shinji and Fuyutsuki is Emperor Palpatine.

>>109013417
3.33 had really fast pacing, not sure what you're talking about when you say it was slow.

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>>109013640
fuck did you see that trailer? what a shitfest

>>109013763
I did, lets take bets on how much is actually in Final, I'm gonna guess absolutely nothing.

>>109013891
i hope. from the trailer they fucked up the Mass Production EVA's beyond repair

>>109013997
Don't forget the weird ass 02 hybrid thing going on.

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>>109013495
correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks more like a generic medieval depiction of a seraphim than anything specific

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>>109014027
how could i forget

>>109014083
maybe i am wrong. it does look similar but from what i remember when i researched these symbols it was lucifer

>>109013156
The first two are fairly solid.

But the third one is a catastrophe in every sense of the word if you are as afraid to think less of NGE, Anno and the people behind it.

I guarantee you that you will.

is this the ending to 4.0?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUamHEvVQy0

>>109013746
Not him, but two ways of viewing it.

Firstly. pacing as events that happen over time, in 3.33 we are incredibly jumpy in time right from the start with a 14-year timeskip, and it's one hardly credibly unbroken movie moving from scene to scene so that no one has the chance to get up and leave. Hypnotic.

In a more concise way, there are massive holes in just 3.33 alone, lots of time passes yet we see so little of it. In one moment we're here, in another we're there without any sort of explanation.

In this sense, 3.33 would have a fast pacing like you say.

But in the second, how much raw information you're being presented through developments and change within the movie. Which is where it's slow. The characters and setting is largely static and the movie spends forever changing them if at all, we spend lots of time on showing new scenery and technobabble, but none of it is actually changing anything within what we saw, the final impact being the biggest change aside from the initial change of scenery from spess to SBM.

I'm just guessing here mostly, but by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished, everything was too simple and lacked anything intricate.

This simplicity is often mistaken with the movie being confusing, because people are desperately looking for something more than the very simple thing they just saw.

Because Evangelion is such a respected name, there MUST be something more than the horrid Kaworufag pandering movie that doubles as Anno's "fuck you" to Rei they just saw.

If there is anything more, it's sure as hell not in the movie. Only in the imagination, AKA "moe".

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>>109014266
the composition with the wings like that is classic seraph and there are a couple paintings of them with eyes on the wings like that, after a description in revelations and exekiel too kinda

>>109014727
Yes, the only difference is EVA 02 is in a basket on the front and they go off the side of a cliff into the blood water.

>>109014727
>>109015274
And Jebus is busy singing Komm Sosser Todd in the background.

Directed by Anno.

>>109015137
dammit then, my source was wrong. thanks for clarifying. now that i look more closely the two are nearly identical

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>>109015274
>EVA 02 is in a basket on the front

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>>109015458
Fixed it for ya.

there's also a pretty good 8-Bit remix of Cruel Angel's Thesis i stumbled upon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5Wl4JDQjY

>>109015359
No worries, it can be pretty confusing to keep track of that kinda stuff given how many permutations of it there are across different translations, interpretations and secondary texts.

On a related note, does anyone have the link to that medieval drawing of a chimera that the image of the two mismatched rows of eyes in the seele symbol are taken from?

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>>109015546

Is 4.0 the end of Annobowl?
I want to believe.

>>109015565
>you will never play a NES Evangelion game that plays like Double Dragon

Life is suffering.

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>>109015546
10/10 the master does it again

>>109015610
No it'll probably end in another reset or sequel and continue forever.

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>>109015546
Thanks Anno.

>>109015040
>credibly unbroken movie moving from scene to scene so that no one has the chance to get up and leave. Hypnotic.

I honestly loved the scene to scene transitions. Pretty new cinematography hijinks that were never present in any other Eva episode or movie. I'm really interested to see how 4.0 turns out with this new direction.

>we spend lots of time on showing new scenery and technobabble

This was....odd. I see where they were going with this, they wanted to wow the audience. Building a shit ton of suspense as the prelude to Asuka's space fight, and the Wunder's launch sequence. It could have worked better if 3.33 had better use of animation...or at least better animation in general.

>by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished

I agree here. That feeling is largely there. Shinji ends up back in the hands of WILLE, with Misato's and Asuka's relationship with Shinji largely unchanged since the beginning of the film. And of course, what happened with Rei...

>>109013156
If you expect them to live up to NGE, you'd be mistaken. They're bearable, but they're obviously just Anno's shit attempt to pander to niggers and plebs to make more sales

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If you were chosen to pilot an EVA /a/, would you do it? Even with all the accompanying pain?

I know I sure as hell would. In fact, I'm kinda bummed that we don't have a reality where this shit happens. Am I just a retarded faggot?

>>109015907
yes

yes

>>109015907
That would mean that my mother is put into the EVA and my father is most likely fucked up.
Fuck that shit.

>>109015907
im a meek faggot so they could probably just guilt me into it anyway

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>>109015907
I'd pilot Unit 13 with Kauguu and cause 4th Impact. Then I'd hijack the controls for myself and fight the Wunder.

>>109015907
Yes. I'd destroy everything in my path. Then I'd be alone.

>>109015739
The scene transitions aren't new, 2.0 had the same thing and NGE the rest, but that's not what I meant. Not the transition itself, but the idea that there are a lot of transitions that are practically invisible.

It's not exactly what I meant with accomplished either, the direction of the plot is one thing, but what exactly do we accomplish with moving this way? Do we learn more, was this meaningful in any way, were the developments justified, can we say for sure that this isn't Anno "masturbating" ?

Take what happens to Shinji and Rei, both end up in a bad place. Is that in itself an accomplishment? I argue that it isn't in 3.0, because getting there was done in such an openly contrived way that we could just as well have started the movie with it's final scene.

There is no "accomplishment" in merely making an 180 in terms of character, the accomplishment lies in doing the 180 tactfully and plausibly.
What happened with 3.0 was just a swing of the wand, 14 years gone and here we are.

Too simple, not an accomplishment.

>>109013391
That's kawaii as fuck.

Cruel Angel's Thesis video translated to English, pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJuexdl_c5s

>>109016185
My guess is that Anno wanted us to feel the same way shinji does since we have no background on what happened. Maybe the next movie won't be about shinji anymore but about his surroundings and some hints at what actually happened between 2.22 and 3.33.

>you will never go on a beach date with shinji-kun

fuck asuka, that lucky vixen

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>>109013156
100%, absolutely.

There are lots of detractors of NME, particularly on 4chan. This seems to mostly surround 3.0; it divided the fanbase (i.e. those with taste vs. those without taste). HINT: It's magnificent

In terms of Rebuild "taking away" from NGE, that's an incredibly juvenile and unfair way to look at any supplemental media, even if it's made by the same guys. Despite that fear, Rebuild does no such thing; while I personally feel NGE+EoE is sublime and probably cannot be topped, Rebuild is fantastically entertaining at worst and a splendid addition to the EVA multiverse at best. 3.0 is the first one to truly shape this EVAverse with unique characteristics, and is certainly the first where Anno's meta touch comes back into play (Shinji, and his tribulations throughout, have a much stronger audience allegorical tie than 1.0/2.0, which basically were meant to set up the slight narrative shifts from NGE to NME). If NME/EoE was Anno talking to anime fans in general, 3.0 sychronizes with the obsessive EVA fan specifically; how people respond to it tells you on which side of the appreciative fence they fall.

If you're an EVA fan and want a far more insightful take of Rebuild's motifs and a deeper look into the production and what influences its authors may or may not have received, check out the EvaGeeks forum. This user said it perfectly.

>>109016451
b8

>>109016483
subtle and tasteful, really a sterling example of the form

>>109016185
If that's all you took away from it, yikes. While there are multiple sources on the Internet that can explain what metaphorical ties you missed, that's on you if you're actually interested in correcting your misunderstanding and not knee-jerk reacting to how 3.0 differed from the fanfic scenario you had prior to viewing.

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>>109016451
It's not b8, look at this shit >>109016051

Look at this shit. LOOK AT IT.

A great fanmade trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8w1bVAHZ60

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what the fuck did i just watch?

>>109016483
not everything is a troll
sometimes it's simply a more sophisticated argument; people getting upset due to the disparity between their understanding and what's really happening is incidental

>>109016451
Troll post.

>>109016600
This was meant for the b8 man
>>109016483

But yes, Rebuild is pretty cool.

>>109016451
Sick b8

Neon Genesis OP Live Action Parody

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>>109016451
3.33 will take the EoE path. Tons of people will hate its dark shift in tone and excessive metaphor at first, but as they begin to understand its complexity and implications will eventually say "GENIUS!" Give it a couple years

>>109016563
When you word it as being a matter of having taste and NOT having taste, then it's b8. If you insist on it not being b8, then I claim the opposite:
Those who do not negatively criticize 3.33 don't have taste.

Moreover, if you're an EVA fan that values more than just the shallow nothings of the laser beam and the waifu-of-choice, then 3.33 in particular should disgust you deeply to the core. Because what is 3.33, if not only that?

Without anything to call it's own beyond what it changes, nor anything to boast in terms of improvement besides it's new cinema format, 3.33 does not impress. It is meta but not in any way even the previous two movies were, and moreover in a way that isn't inherent to the idea of a remake that has changes in it.

>>109016615
That is most definitely a troll though.

>>109016648
Pretty colors sways you easily I see.

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>remembering 3.0 hype threads and theories
How did it go so wrong?

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>>109016451
Anon please. Unlike 3.33, EoE is the ending that came after twenty-six episodes and a recap movie of solid, honest material that created not only something unique out of well-known ideas, but something with substance in every corner.

3.33 will always be known as the movie that stripped Rebuild from the chance of having substance of it's own, and it will be hated for it, as it is now.

It will be loved by the fans which it pleases, much like fan-fiction or pornography is appreciated.

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>>109015907
me, nahhh too lame to pilot an eva, ill rather deadpool piloting one, how crazy would that be?

>>109017094
3.0 actually came out and it was shit.

It's new universe is specifically crafted to promote a singular romantic relationship more than it is to provide a moral message like NGE did in the past.
Such relationships are a commodity sold to the otaku masses for great profits.

3.0 hype existed because nobody believed it would go down this path.

>>109016995
>Pretty colors sways you easily I see.

Well it is anime. Nice visuals do a lot.

>>109017424
>promote a singular romantic relationship

You're going to eat that up once 4.0 comes out and is hailed as the greatest anime movie of the past decade.

>>109017699
It could be hailed as the best, it could be decried the worst, but what I wrote would remain true still, It is what it is.

>>109013004
unrelated to the thread, but does anyone have a dual wallpaper of this? i can't stand having 2 separate wallpapers

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>>109015739
>by the end of the movie it feels as if nothing was really accomplished

>I agree here
EVA was always about Shinji. NGE gussied up the narrative to give the appearance of a cohesive series, but most of it was slapdash and, by Anno's admission, not the central focus as he intended it. Rebuild's shift to be more Shinji-centric gels with his declaration that this Rebuild would align more closely with what he first envisioned (although inarguably a bit different, as his aesthetic tastes and influences have been modified since 1995/1996).

The loose and seemingly "inarticulate" narrative as a whole is only a minor issue, as that narrative was never the focus; it's more of an environmental context from which further metaphor could be extracted by Shinji's interaction against its background. While some may want a fleshed out, fully formed and cohesive structure, I feel that EVA's best comes from its still images and overwrought interpersonal struggles, and it's here that we're given gold (particularly in 3.0).

It's evident that what many wanted Rebuild to be—a clarified, more easily understandable re-telling of NGE's plot with 21st century production values and all the same interpersonal dynamics re-examined (but not modified)—is not what NME is intended to be. NGE was Anno's "honest feelings" transposed; sometimes glaringly, sometimes abstractly, and sometimes so subtly as to require numerous re-watchings to glean. Much of these feelings were self-directed, and to whatever extent his self-excoriation and analysis mirrored the sentiments and struggles of the viewer became the series' philosophical center. Shinji's struggles were Anno's, an anime fan whose shyness and dissociated anger plagued him; this happened to describe many of the fans who watched his show. The cataloging of the self was a shared experience.

3.0 examines an EVA fan: Why they're still here, what they expected, and how they've changed (not necessarily for the better) since EVA.

>>109018683
That sounds right. When it was released, a lot of people hated 3.0, but I liked it; I enjoyed that it was confusing, arcane, and made shinji suffer; Why would a penultimate chapter explain things or hold good signs for the hero? This is, after all, his darkest hour.

3.0 is much like the TV series in 18-24. I never understood many of the complaints, since the movie did what it was meant to quite well.

>>109017159
None of these assertions are backed by any kind of analysis or exegetical supplementation. They're just sentiments:

>a recap movie of solid, honest material
>stripped Rebuild from the chance of having substance of it's own
>hated for it

And then there was the comparison to "pornography;" in a debate, such a term would be labelled "supererogatory."

To those curious about Rebuild: There's no further exposition necessary. NME (and 3.0) stands on its own merits; any additional interpretive analyses you may want to enrich your viewing are available at the usual fan forums/wikis.

>>109019214
>None of these assertions are backed by any kind of analysis or exegetical supplementation. They're just sentiments:
Untrue, they were backed with facts and analysis, in case you missed one of them, this is one of the facts and comparisons:
-3.33 is not the end of Rebuild, while EoE is the end of it's story.
-EoE serves as an continuation of a far more elaborate story and narrative than 3.33 does

Which means his claim, which is the only claim that is actually a sentiment, is wrong.

You might want to try some of that "analysis" or "exegetical supplementation" yourself if you want to ever graduate from being a Rebuild otaku fanboy reject from Evageeks.

>And then there was the comparison to "pornography;" in a debate, such a term would be labelled "supererogatory."
Only if you're ignorant of what you're speaking of, even Anno refers to his creation as masturbatory and anime itself as a form of pornography. The idea is that it can be more than that, but as it is 3.0 and Rebuild isn't.

>>109018851
>Much like TV series 18-24
hahaha what fucking fresh bullshit is this?

Shinji never played with the idiot ball in 18-24. Also, 18-24 were strongly built around Asuka/Misato/Shinji's spirals downward. If we're viewing the series as whole story, the first 12 episodes at the first and second acts. Act three is 14-17 and Act four is 18-24. Act five is 25/26/EoE.

In act four of any tragedy, lots of shit happens quickly to ruin the characters goals. To completely fuck them up. Decisions are made hastily. If we're going for a classic example, this is when Romeo and Juliet decide it's the perfect time for a suicide pact. The hasty decisions that are made during 18-24 (Asuka's suicide attempt, Misato choosing to investigate Kaiji's death/NERV, Shinji deciding to withdraw from contact with either of them and arguably up to the point where he masturbates over Asuka)

Do you even five act tragedy?

>>109019611
Eva is a 4 act story. 14-17 are not significantly different enough from 1-12 to qualify as an act in themselves. Where are you pulling this 5 act shit from?

Do you even Noh?

>>109016451
gr8 b8

>>109018683
>EVA was always about Shinji.
The main narrative always involved Shinji, but objectively, factually, actually, realistically, Evangelion was comprised of 26 20 minute episodes with far more content than Shinji. It's not a one man show, nor is Rebuild, Rebuild's problem is that it just plain sucks.

With that your entire argument as comparison falls together.

Secondly your remaining text is a mere strawman production of making up imaginary audiences with equally imaginary , which you use to construct an imaginary real-world narrative where you can stand on the right side, where you earlier put it as "good taste". Sounds like the workings of someone paranoid and insecure if you ask me.

3.0 does consider the nature of fans, although not in the way you might suggest. Not as an analysis or examination, but it considers what the fan wants and gives it to them. It considers what potentially new fans might want to see, and creates itself in order to provide that, changing the original to follow suit.

This is called pandering. The question that remains is, to which fans does it pander? Primarily, themselves as fans. This work is more about Hideaki Anno (and his team) than the audience, everything in it is his(their) desire on film. Quite patently so, by their own admission in various interviews.
Secondarily comes anyone who might watch it and find themselves having the same palate as the primaries.

>>109018851
You are the dumbest faggot I've seen on /a/ in a while.

3.0 is the most empty and vapid entry in Rebuild so far, and you compare that with the part of NGE that intensively goes into the setting and characters, the background story and their inner psyche. In plural.

You compare that with 3.0.
You're right when you say you're "confused", and that you enjoy it is one thing - you're too dumb to actually digest NGE and Rebuild, so for you they're all the same "confusing mess".

Typical 3.0 "fan". A moron.

>>109019611
Evangelion isn't a tragedy though. Shinji ends up where he wants to, therefore it's a comedy.

>>109019722
Not him but you are retarded. You specify a range of episodes yet you ignore their content. Then you clearly make the mistake of comparing the wrong segments.

You cannot make a selective comparison like this, nor hide behind the pretentiousness and pedantry of namedropping structures used in theatre.

Isn't it worrying that you will go as far as you do just to protect a hobby you're obsessed about? It's not good for you.

>>109019904
What an in-depth analysis on my character from four partial sentences that I wrote.

What I really like about your review of my comment is that you address no parts whatsoever of my statement and insult my intelligence. My. You are certainly a Eva pro. Bravo. I am "impressed".

>>109020056
I can be sure that I am correct in my review since you continue being an idiot even in the next post, where you claim I didn't address your statement despite the fact that I clearly did in my post.

It was short, concise and to the point, something you'd might miss if you just skimmed the post and got buttflustered while trying to write a smartass reply.
I'm giving you a more chance to actually read the posts you reply to before I point it out to you.

If you can't, then have a protip:
Register an account at evageeks. There's lots of dumb people there waiting for you.

3.0fags/Rebuildfags getting BTFO as usual.

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Daily reminder that Asuka is best girl, across all remakes and continuities

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>>109019904
I'm not any of the people you responded to, but could you be any more of an insufferable faggot? People like you are the very worst posters on /a/. At the very least, rest easy knowing that your opinion means absolutely nothing to Khara or even /a/ itself.

>>109022064
You're way worse, you can rest uneasily knowing your opinion is worth even less even if that sounds impossible.

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>>109022189
Are you on your period or something? Why so anal?

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>>109022293
Not the one being angry here m8.
Might want to check on that buttmad you have there, or consider taking a trip to plebbit where you can just press downvote.